I lived in Ireland from 2015-2018 and traveled all over Europe while I was there. They don't have all the crap in their food we have, even for the same American made products. So they can easily take out the GRAS bullshit ingredients since they already do in other countries. They just don't want to.
On my last 10 day visit to Ireland I ate and drank like a Viking and dropped 11 pounds. That's anecdotal, sure, but it does make me wonder. My guess is that all the grass fed beef and butter helped--a lot!
He does his experiment of n=1 in which he eats 3000 calories a day (or something like that) of all typical American food, gains weight and inches. Then eats 3000 calories a day of actual food like meat and eggs. Not sure if he still gains a small bit of weight, but he definitely loses inches.
Dr Mark Hyman has a book titled "eat fat get thin" with the background science plus a 3 week diet plan with menus. Tried it, lost 20 lbs & 2 in on waste. That was months ago, I eat natural foods and lots of fats and moderate carbs, no highly proceesed junk and haven't gained any weight back. try it
And even the "health food" contains GRAS ingredients. I've become an obsessive label reader. One of my favorite labels is the brand name mayonnaise that blasts across the front of the jar in gigantic letters: "CONTAINS OLIVE OIL." Then you turn the jar around only to find that olive oil is the last ingredient in the list. The first ingredient is soy bean oil. I also love boxes of Jell-O claiming to be cholesterol free when there is no way it could ever contain cholesterol in the first place.
Yes the olive oil mayonnaise really pissed me off. Not only does it still have the shit oil in it but it tastes a little off too so what’s the point? Not making any more bodacious broccoli salad until I’ve tested and liked a homemade mayo recipe first. Very sad. The other new marketing gimmick is calling something which should not ever have gluten in it (like corn chips say) “gluten free”. I’d call this ridiculous except you’d be shocked how many products put gluten in them to make it more tasty and addictive. Even “healthy” snacks like nuts will add gluten! It’s insane.
Mayonnaise is the easiest thing in the world to make (egg, avocado oil, lemon juice, mustard, salt) and if you do it in a glass jar with an immersion blender, so satisfying. 😊
My grandmother used to make her own mayonnaise and it was terrific but before you go to all that trouble, there is a brand of mayonnaise that I can buy at Walmart; brand is Better Body Foods out of Lindon, Utah. Here's the ingredient list: avocado oil, egg yolk, water, distilled white vinegar, coconut palm sugar (which for some reason contains zero carbs), lemon juice, salt, ground mustard, garlic power, onion powder, and EDTA (preservative). It tastes really good. They also make a the same thing but using lime juice; also good. And if you're near a Wegman's Grocery Store, they sell their own version of the same thing.
Thank you! My husband does 99% of the cooking but is a simple man. Little salt little pepper don’t f$@& it up. The few recipes I make are more complicated and homemade mayo would add another layer of complexity I’m not willing to jump on due to my role as breadwinner in this house. He’s also the Walmart shopper of the two of us and will happily buy whatever I get a solid name/picture of. Gonna have some in my kitchen by next week since he already went yesterday!
Sorry, but coconut palm sugar will zing your blood glucose. Shame on them for making believe it's benign. I'm with Jenna: too easy to make at home with everything you choose and nothing unintended.
That label is so 1970's! It's frosted me ever since it came out. So many examples of foods that'd never have a smidgen anyway, but are often so full of crap that they'd like you to not notice.
Oh, the Nazi drink? Fanta was created in Germany during World War II in 1940 by Coca-Cola's German subsidiary, as a response to the inability to import Coca-Cola syrup due to the war.
I’ve been reading labels for 25 years. If it has msg (in all its forms) or other poisons, it leaves my hand and goes back on the shelf. I’m cautiously excited by RFK’s appointment, but it’s a HUGE mountain ⛰️ he’s gotta climb, with lots of treachery along the way.
You just made me remember the old Tarzan movies that invariably required trekking along a high, narrow, rocky path to get to the treasure trove. Uncredited extras may fall off the path with their baggage into the chasm below, but not our hero who's focused on getting the tusks.
They could just use the factories they use for European foods if any are made here and crank that manufacturing line up or close a few mixing machines. I don’t think it would be that hard and blast the PR. They will have to. Most folk I know are aware now. But then they’d have to eliminate the poison lobbyists that sell it to them.
What he really needs to impress on the public is that “food” items like cereal, ANY cereal, even the ones they sell overseas, is not really food. The way it needs to be extruded to make the cute shapes renders it down to a soft sludge that is shaped and baked. The end product is cuter, but its beginning was sludge. Sound yummy?
I think, without any proof, mind you, that people may begin to see this. Quit buying or ask for better alternative and the the marketplace responds. I bugged my Walmart for several years to get grass fed ground beef. They did get it but no doubt because others became more knowledgeable and asked them to stock it as well.
I’d like to think MAHA could turn the Titanic… but it will take time. My thoughts are the more people are educated about the trash in their food the more we the public can pressure corporations to change. Money goes both ways.
Start with the farmers who have been poisoning crops with roundup. Its why I can't eat bread (in this country). Think about it - why do they sell "gluten-free oatmeal"? Oats are GF - but to be sold as GF, they have to be grown in a field that has no roundup in it.
Not only that but they actually do put gluten into many snack foods as an added ingredient. It’s disgusting. You have to read every single label or you will continue to poison yourself. My husband has psoriatic arthritis and can tell within a day if he ate something with gluten. He trusts nothing but his own cooking.
A few better choices are being found on my local Walmart shelves and a few restaurant chains are going back to tallow. I can find traditional baked tostadas locally which I use in a homemade taco salad for crunch. My new fav with grass fed beef. Even a no junk taco seasoning around but it’s easy to make yourself. My problem is I have icon seasonings on my shelves. You know the ones—bought in 2012.
It remains the consumer’s responsibility to read labels and refuse to buy things with ingredients that one cannot pronounce. I avoid most inner sanctum aisles of the grocery store because that is where all the chemicals are. I like to buy mixed nuts that say: Contents: Nuts and sea salt. It is hard to find such a thing but it is possible.
I also read food labels, but the problem is there are many chemicals used in the process that don’t need to be on the label. Cheese manufacturers use aluminum to process sliced cheese but it’s not necessary to put it on the label because it’s an insignificant amount. How much is insignificant? Manufacturers have caught onto consumers reading labels and they change names to make it sound healthier. Vegan rennet ( used to process cheese) is grown from molds and can be genetically modified. Microbial yeast now used in many frozen pizzas has a similar lab beginning. So much of our food isn’t even food and it’s definitely not nutritious. I really hope JFK, jr can clean up our food. And our water and our air. He’s fighting the Leviathan.
We have a locally and family owned producer of a ham loaf mix that contains more ingredients than a yoga mat. My favorite ingredient is dough conditioner. HUH?
Stopped eating Best Foods Mayo because of that. Dukes doesn’t but does have soybean oil, so I just try to limit it. My thoughts are that if crops weren’t sprayed with chemicals we wouldn’t have to worry about seed oils … as much. Beef tallow would be much better but costs would go way up. It’s a big problem, but starting with eliminating spraying would be a huge step forward.
Costs may go up, but I wanna know how much. We order beef from a local farm and there is so much fat on those animals. It was included for free in our order - if we asked. Just stop throwing it into the innards burning machine and render the lard again. Like old times.
I developed an allergy to a red dye, carmine, made from cochineal bugs—my eyelids swell to almost complete closure. It is banned in cosmetics but not food. Go figure… it is ok to eat but not put on your face.😖
It’s so interesting to see what food has crazy additives when you start looking, isn’t it? Like your nut example. Until you see the label, you just think it has nuts and salt in it.
The nuts should be raw as they are almost all roasted in unhealthy seed oils. Raw would have no salt added. Or buy raw and roast in coconut oil and use a good salt yourself? Very tasty and quick to do. Cheers.
I started reading labels about 2 years ago and it shocked me. Now we read everything and scan stuff with the Yuka app to figure out what some of those additives really are. I've changed so many products from cereal (most are bad - Kashi has some good ones. I just really like a bowl of cereal in the morning!!) to my hand lotion (I always thought Gold Bond was a really good one. I was wrong!). One item at a time, slowly but surely.
A company called FatWorks (online only) has some awesome and naturally formulated skin care products. My favorite is called "Butter Me Up." Check it out!!!
Thanks for the info. I've been using the Think Dirty app for makeup etc for the past few years and like the info they provide https://www.thinkdirtyapp.com/
People do not realize that when the biblical prophecies tell of the evil of the"merchants of the earth" it refers to these people in the corporations we are talking about.
oh the ol' 'shopping cart voyeur'... I've been doing that for years. 300 lb people with a cart full of soda. yup, yup ;) and I've gotten the side eye many a time for slamming a product back on the shelf after reading the ingredients. proud momma moment when I see my 19 yr old do it now. ;)
Jenna, you know, that many of our so-called experts actually use the acronym GRAI to describe themselves--Generally Recognized as Idiots! or better yet, GRAD -- Generally Recognized as Dangerous! 🦅 🛶 🪱
Keep us on our toes, just like our friend Jeff Childers...🤠
I voted not holding my breath because that is hard, makes me dizzy and don’t know if Bobby is wearing a bullet proof vest at all times. Because Science. 🙃
Oh, the Nazi drink? Fanta was created in Germany during World War II in 1940 by Coca-Cola's German subsidiary, as a response to the inability to import Coca-Cola syrup due to the war.
I’m of the thought that a bit too much attention is being focused on this complicated problem. Food is still something we have a CHOICE about what we put in our bodies.
I want to hear more about eliminating the things that are MANDATED. Like the astonishing amount of shots our children must have to attend public school. I truly believe getting THAT back to,say,the 1960s level of 3 shots( if any) is going to make much more improvements in our childrens health…I’m feeling a bit manipulated to focus on this food thing. It’s important,but, it feels like a distraction from more important issues.imho.
Good call. I've seen this version of it in vet med: if your pet is eating junk, you can have a positive outcome in maybe a week or two by changing to a raw diet. But if you opt to vaccinate, the fix for that may never arrive. Or you'll go broke trying, if you follow the conventional veterinarian approach.
So, GRAS status, originally intended for widely recognizable and understood ingredients like water and salt, has been horribly abused to allow things like a form of antifreeze in commercial ice cream. If you've ever made homemade ice cream, you know how rock hard it is straight out of the freezer so you have to let it sit out a bit or you'll hurt your wrist trying to scoop it out. Food companies can't risk that annoying inconvenience. There are many hundreds of such 'ingredients' slyly slipped into our comestibles that often aren't even included on food labels – but only in the US, where it's the Wild West and corporations rule the roost.
No wonder most of us are chronically sick. Let's hope Bobby and the new FDA team get all this junk out of our foods and out of our bodies as soon as possible.
Sadly all they had to use was vodka. LOL. But noooo, no alcohol for kids! (Frivolous amount per serving in the end but nah let’s have them drink antifreeze instead …🙄)
Too, too good!! On target as usual. But "follow the money"...and the folks in black have much more than those in the white hats. So tho I love you (not in a stalkerish way), je suis un skeptique. Then again I'd rather be an optimist. "GO MAHA"
I lived in Ireland from 2015-2018 and traveled all over Europe while I was there. They don't have all the crap in their food we have, even for the same American made products. So they can easily take out the GRAS bullshit ingredients since they already do in other countries. They just don't want to.
On my last 10 day visit to Ireland I ate and drank like a Viking and dropped 11 pounds. That's anecdotal, sure, but it does make me wonder. My guess is that all the grass fed beef and butter helped--a lot!
You might like to read Fat Head Kids by Tom Naughton or the movie Fat Head. http://www.fathead-movie.com/
He does his experiment of n=1 in which he eats 3000 calories a day (or something like that) of all typical American food, gains weight and inches. Then eats 3000 calories a day of actual food like meat and eggs. Not sure if he still gains a small bit of weight, but he definitely loses inches.
Amazing.
Dr Mark Hyman has a book titled "eat fat get thin" with the background science plus a 3 week diet plan with menus. Tried it, lost 20 lbs & 2 in on waste. That was months ago, I eat natural foods and lots of fats and moderate carbs, no highly proceesed junk and haven't gained any weight back. try it
Must have been because he started eating a low carb/high fat diet.
Yep; hard to believe that I now have to try to maintain my weight.
I ran across a thread on X about this. I went through hundreds of comments and they all supported the same situation. How often does that happen on X?
I'd say, "Never."
A local market has a section marked "health food".
My question is what about all the other food for sale?? 🤔
And even the "health food" contains GRAS ingredients. I've become an obsessive label reader. One of my favorite labels is the brand name mayonnaise that blasts across the front of the jar in gigantic letters: "CONTAINS OLIVE OIL." Then you turn the jar around only to find that olive oil is the last ingredient in the list. The first ingredient is soy bean oil. I also love boxes of Jell-O claiming to be cholesterol free when there is no way it could ever contain cholesterol in the first place.
Yes the olive oil mayonnaise really pissed me off. Not only does it still have the shit oil in it but it tastes a little off too so what’s the point? Not making any more bodacious broccoli salad until I’ve tested and liked a homemade mayo recipe first. Very sad. The other new marketing gimmick is calling something which should not ever have gluten in it (like corn chips say) “gluten free”. I’d call this ridiculous except you’d be shocked how many products put gluten in them to make it more tasty and addictive. Even “healthy” snacks like nuts will add gluten! It’s insane.
Mayonnaise is the easiest thing in the world to make (egg, avocado oil, lemon juice, mustard, salt) and if you do it in a glass jar with an immersion blender, so satisfying. 😊
So you're opening a cooking substack too? Where do I sign up?
[late edit: Wait, what? Avocado oil?? I've never heard of it. So I need exotic ingredients to make this stuff? (heading for the exit).]
Avocado oil is fabulous! Tolerates high heat, adds a great texture but little flavor. Delicious!
Avocado oil is the go to oil in my kitchen! 😉
My grandmother used to make her own mayonnaise and it was terrific but before you go to all that trouble, there is a brand of mayonnaise that I can buy at Walmart; brand is Better Body Foods out of Lindon, Utah. Here's the ingredient list: avocado oil, egg yolk, water, distilled white vinegar, coconut palm sugar (which for some reason contains zero carbs), lemon juice, salt, ground mustard, garlic power, onion powder, and EDTA (preservative). It tastes really good. They also make a the same thing but using lime juice; also good. And if you're near a Wegman's Grocery Store, they sell their own version of the same thing.
Thank you! My husband does 99% of the cooking but is a simple man. Little salt little pepper don’t f$@& it up. The few recipes I make are more complicated and homemade mayo would add another layer of complexity I’m not willing to jump on due to my role as breadwinner in this house. He’s also the Walmart shopper of the two of us and will happily buy whatever I get a solid name/picture of. Gonna have some in my kitchen by next week since he already went yesterday!
Sorry, but coconut palm sugar will zing your blood glucose. Shame on them for making believe it's benign. I'm with Jenna: too easy to make at home with everything you choose and nothing unintended.
They have apparently mislabeled the product! I think I’ll go with Jenna and make my own. Thanks for the information.
And the eggs are cage free. Not pasture eggs, however.
That label is so 1970's! It's frosted me ever since it came out. So many examples of foods that'd never have a smidgen anyway, but are often so full of crap that they'd like you to not notice.
That is hilarious and horrifying at the same time!
Good point!
Relieved to know I can safely snack on Twinkies and sip Fanta while waiting for my covid/measles/flu shots.
Oh, the Nazi drink? Fanta was created in Germany during World War II in 1940 by Coca-Cola's German subsidiary, as a response to the inability to import Coca-Cola syrup due to the war.
I’ve been reading labels for 25 years. If it has msg (in all its forms) or other poisons, it leaves my hand and goes back on the shelf. I’m cautiously excited by RFK’s appointment, but it’s a HUGE mountain ⛰️ he’s gotta climb, with lots of treachery along the way.
You just made me remember the old Tarzan movies that invariably required trekking along a high, narrow, rocky path to get to the treasure trove. Uncredited extras may fall off the path with their baggage into the chasm below, but not our hero who's focused on getting the tusks.
Did they wear red shirts? (sorry... Star Trek reference there)
They did!
But of course they were in black and white so it didn't photograph as well.
They could just use the factories they use for European foods if any are made here and crank that manufacturing line up or close a few mixing machines. I don’t think it would be that hard and blast the PR. They will have to. Most folk I know are aware now. But then they’d have to eliminate the poison lobbyists that sell it to them.
What he really needs to impress on the public is that “food” items like cereal, ANY cereal, even the ones they sell overseas, is not really food. The way it needs to be extruded to make the cute shapes renders it down to a soft sludge that is shaped and baked. The end product is cuter, but its beginning was sludge. Sound yummy?
I think, without any proof, mind you, that people may begin to see this. Quit buying or ask for better alternative and the the marketplace responds. I bugged my Walmart for several years to get grass fed ground beef. They did get it but no doubt because others became more knowledgeable and asked them to stock it as well.
But... wouldn't that make it subject to tariffs?
Just off the top of my head. We actually have no idea, any of us, what will happen. I am shopping more local because I can.
She said “if they are made here”, in which there would be no tariffs
Nothing gets passed you, Justin...
I’d like to think MAHA could turn the Titanic… but it will take time. My thoughts are the more people are educated about the trash in their food the more we the public can pressure corporations to change. Money goes both ways.
Start with the farmers who have been poisoning crops with roundup. Its why I can't eat bread (in this country). Think about it - why do they sell "gluten-free oatmeal"? Oats are GF - but to be sold as GF, they have to be grown in a field that has no roundup in it.
Not only that but they actually do put gluten into many snack foods as an added ingredient. It’s disgusting. You have to read every single label or you will continue to poison yourself. My husband has psoriatic arthritis and can tell within a day if he ate something with gluten. He trusts nothing but his own cooking.
keep it up (that's what Dad used to tell me.)
And pasta.
A few better choices are being found on my local Walmart shelves and a few restaurant chains are going back to tallow. I can find traditional baked tostadas locally which I use in a homemade taco salad for crunch. My new fav with grass fed beef. Even a no junk taco seasoning around but it’s easy to make yourself. My problem is I have icon seasonings on my shelves. You know the ones—bought in 2012.
The only turn HMS Titanic took was down.
We should hold them to European food standards. It has got to be so far ahead of the FDA in safety of foods & lots of other things!!
Might be the simplest way to start the avalanche of change we all look forward to! Good call.
It remains the consumer’s responsibility to read labels and refuse to buy things with ingredients that one cannot pronounce. I avoid most inner sanctum aisles of the grocery store because that is where all the chemicals are. I like to buy mixed nuts that say: Contents: Nuts and sea salt. It is hard to find such a thing but it is possible.
I also read food labels, but the problem is there are many chemicals used in the process that don’t need to be on the label. Cheese manufacturers use aluminum to process sliced cheese but it’s not necessary to put it on the label because it’s an insignificant amount. How much is insignificant? Manufacturers have caught onto consumers reading labels and they change names to make it sound healthier. Vegan rennet ( used to process cheese) is grown from molds and can be genetically modified. Microbial yeast now used in many frozen pizzas has a similar lab beginning. So much of our food isn’t even food and it’s definitely not nutritious. I really hope JFK, jr can clean up our food. And our water and our air. He’s fighting the Leviathan.
How about looking at sour cream or French onion dip and finding "Contains Bio-Engineered Products" and wtf is that??
Read every label is right!
It’s the new weasel word for GMO food.
We have a locally and family owned producer of a ham loaf mix that contains more ingredients than a yoga mat. My favorite ingredient is dough conditioner. HUH?
That’s funny AND sad. WTH
Bioengineered is newspeak for GMO. Sounds healthier, right?
Stopped eating Best Foods Mayo because of that. Dukes doesn’t but does have soybean oil, so I just try to limit it. My thoughts are that if crops weren’t sprayed with chemicals we wouldn’t have to worry about seed oils … as much. Beef tallow would be much better but costs would go way up. It’s a big problem, but starting with eliminating spraying would be a huge step forward.
Costs may go up, but I wanna know how much. We order beef from a local farm and there is so much fat on those animals. It was included for free in our order - if we asked. Just stop throwing it into the innards burning machine and render the lard again. Like old times.
Bones and fat! We/they should use it all!
I developed an allergy to a red dye, carmine, made from cochineal bugs—my eyelids swell to almost complete closure. It is banned in cosmetics but not food. Go figure… it is ok to eat but not put on your face.😖
It’s so interesting to see what food has crazy additives when you start looking, isn’t it? Like your nut example. Until you see the label, you just think it has nuts and salt in it.
The nuts should be raw as they are almost all roasted in unhealthy seed oils. Raw would have no salt added. Or buy raw and roast in coconut oil and use a good salt yourself? Very tasty and quick to do. Cheers.
ive roasted nuts without any oil, and never considered that the roasted nuts we buy used oils at all. Thank you for this information.
That was going to be my example too. Salt and peanuts. It should be simple ingredients. I always read labels.
I started reading labels about 2 years ago and it shocked me. Now we read everything and scan stuff with the Yuka app to figure out what some of those additives really are. I've changed so many products from cereal (most are bad - Kashi has some good ones. I just really like a bowl of cereal in the morning!!) to my hand lotion (I always thought Gold Bond was a really good one. I was wrong!). One item at a time, slowly but surely.
A company called FatWorks (online only) has some awesome and naturally formulated skin care products. My favorite is called "Butter Me Up." Check it out!!!
Thanks for the info. I've been using the Think Dirty app for makeup etc for the past few years and like the info they provide https://www.thinkdirtyapp.com/
If there is salt they are roasted in seed oils. I guarantee it. Raw peanuts are natures way of engaging the hurling urge.
Or just the roasted nut, no oil and I like them salted. Not as fond of the raw nuts.
The food industry just like the bureaucracy will not give up easily. Follow the money. They will fight fight fight.
In their defense, cleaning up our food supply will make it more difficult for their pals in the pharmaceutical industry to do well.
People do not realize that when the biblical prophecies tell of the evil of the"merchants of the earth" it refers to these people in the corporations we are talking about.
I do a very bad thing now in the grocery store, I look what’s in peoples carts and then look at them . Shame on me , but it reveals quite a bit . 🥲
oh the ol' 'shopping cart voyeur'... I've been doing that for years. 300 lb people with a cart full of soda. yup, yup ;) and I've gotten the side eye many a time for slamming a product back on the shelf after reading the ingredients. proud momma moment when I see my 19 yr old do it now. ;)
Jenna, you know, that many of our so-called experts actually use the acronym GRAI to describe themselves--Generally Recognized as Idiots! or better yet, GRAD -- Generally Recognized as Dangerous! 🦅 🛶 🪱
Keep us on our toes, just like our friend Jeff Childers...🤠
I voted not holding my breath because that is hard, makes me dizzy and don’t know if Bobby is wearing a bullet proof vest at all times. Because Science. 🙃
Maybe they need to de-bug his desk and office too or get a food taster in. Warning to Bobby: brown bag it.
Ohmygosh…this is too good. Too. Damn. Good. Guess I need to stock up on Fanta 🤣🥤‼️
Oh, the Nazi drink? Fanta was created in Germany during World War II in 1940 by Coca-Cola's German subsidiary, as a response to the inability to import Coca-Cola syrup due to the war.
It. Was. A. Joke.
Sadly, mine was true.
I’m of the thought that a bit too much attention is being focused on this complicated problem. Food is still something we have a CHOICE about what we put in our bodies.
I want to hear more about eliminating the things that are MANDATED. Like the astonishing amount of shots our children must have to attend public school. I truly believe getting THAT back to,say,the 1960s level of 3 shots( if any) is going to make much more improvements in our childrens health…I’m feeling a bit manipulated to focus on this food thing. It’s important,but, it feels like a distraction from more important issues.imho.
Fair and valid point!
Good call. I've seen this version of it in vet med: if your pet is eating junk, you can have a positive outcome in maybe a week or two by changing to a raw diet. But if you opt to vaccinate, the fix for that may never arrive. Or you'll go broke trying, if you follow the conventional veterinarian approach.
How about a little antifreeze in your favorite ice cream? No joke: see this
https://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/antifreeze-in-your-ice-cream/
So, GRAS status, originally intended for widely recognizable and understood ingredients like water and salt, has been horribly abused to allow things like a form of antifreeze in commercial ice cream. If you've ever made homemade ice cream, you know how rock hard it is straight out of the freezer so you have to let it sit out a bit or you'll hurt your wrist trying to scoop it out. Food companies can't risk that annoying inconvenience. There are many hundreds of such 'ingredients' slyly slipped into our comestibles that often aren't even included on food labels – but only in the US, where it's the Wild West and corporations rule the roost.
No wonder most of us are chronically sick. Let's hope Bobby and the new FDA team get all this junk out of our foods and out of our bodies as soon as possible.
Sadly all they had to use was vodka. LOL. But noooo, no alcohol for kids! (Frivolous amount per serving in the end but nah let’s have them drink antifreeze instead …🙄)
Now that IS scary - "they don't have to list it as an ingredient on the label at all, if it is "industry standard". "
Too, too good!! On target as usual. But "follow the money"...and the folks in black have much more than those in the white hats. So tho I love you (not in a stalkerish way), je suis un skeptique. Then again I'd rather be an optimist. "GO MAHA"
I'd rather be a realist.
Jenna,
I've no idea how you do this . . . and maintain any semblance of sanity.
You are a Kung Fu master of satire and black comedy.
Cheers!
☺️