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What really makes me sad here is that a whole generation of parents created this breathtaking entitlement (and It’s not just Ash) by behaving like our job as parents was to make their lives as easy as possible and go in front of them in life, sweeping away anything that might hurt their feelings or be difficult for them. How’s that experiment working out? Seems to me that it’s important for humans to do difficult things, at age appropriate levels, in order to be fully-functioning adults.

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Yesssss! This. I call it the "everyone gets a trophy" generation. "Congratulations, you participated. You're a winner!" No, you don't get a trophy for showing up; you get one for winning. Sorry if that hurts your little feelings.

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Not to mention ‘my kid can’t ride the bus because of bullying’, or rushing down to the school to insist your kid get in GT when they didn’t qualify…. It goes on and on.

My kids are like yours, young adults making good choices, holding good jobs, but I actually disciplined my kids. And it was so hard when all the parents around me would do NOTHING when their kids did something egregious.

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Also YES! (Ever read The Blessing of a Skinned Knee?) We were undeniably strict with our girls; not "no for the sake of saying no" but there were always clear expectations and nonnegotiable consequences. We also recognized that respect has to go BOTH ways. I'd laugh when they started babysitting--they'd both repeatedly say THANK YOU MOM FOR GIVING US DISCIPLINE AND BOUNDARIES. (There are a LOT of nightmare kids out there, unfortunately.)

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I haven’t read it, but I might send it to my daughter and SIL who are about to have my first grandchild. 😉

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I ‘m an older mother of the boomer generation, & my 2 boys had summer jobs from their teens because my parents had expected that from me. And they did hard work: welding, roofing, other construction. They worked side by side with people less educated & from poorer backgrounds than theirs & that was important too - that they were all the same & no airs about being “better” than their co-workers.

One summer while my oldest was still in high school & working for a welder, he came home hot, sweaty, covered in grease from head to toe. He told me that not only would none of his friends do that kind of work, but none of his friends had to work summers at all.

I shrugged, smiled & told him it builds character &…it DID. That son owns a successful personal training business & the younger is in the USAF. Very proud of both.

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My oldest is in the USAF too. Currently on his way home from deployment… I will hopefully see him in a week!

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I think we’ve talked about our boys before 😊. ENJOY!

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We have? Awesome!

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We’re Gen-Xers with a Millennial son. For him, that has been both a blessing - he has our work ethic and no-BS attitude - and a curse - he has our work ethic and no-BS attitude (LOL) in a work world filled with other Millennials and Zoomers raised by participation trophy-awarding Boomer parents. I truly believe the difference in parenting styles has helped him excel everywhere he’s worked.

We also have a set of friends our son’s age and they are (light heartedly) teaching their kids that “second place is first loser”. Perhaps a bit harsher than I would do, but at least it’s not the participation trophy mindset! 😉

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LOL--same!!! The comment about your friends gives me hope that maybe the pendulum is swinging... it inevitably will, when enough people see how the trophy generation thinks, works, and behaves!

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Agreed!!

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was it Woody Allen who said "80% of success is just showing up"? Course that still leaves 20%, maybe to be earned on merit?

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It’s the parents responsibility to bring reality to their children in doses as they grow up. As the father I have always claimed it was my job to emancipate my children and I successfully did it four times. Did not make their young adult life easier because that is the only way for them to understand reality. For Ash go drive a truck for someone a gig where you are not the public face of your employer. I sure do not want to look at you and all of your tattoos as I try to buy something your employer is trying to sell.

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Amen!

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OMG Yes!

Sadly…. I feel like I was this parent.

I definitely went in front of my son and swept things easy for him.

Then he married.

Thinking wife didn’t sweep like I did….they divorced.

He is almost 40 now and I realized how I was not helping.

I really think we are all doing the best we can, except for those who aren’t.

Everything is a potato.

Unless it’s not a potato. 🧐

Right?

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Unfortunately, sometimes we can only see the things we didn’t do as

Well as we could have in hindsight.

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I, personally, am perplexed by these particular nose and tongue rings. They remind me of slavery. So now that I'm among the white-haired folks, I take liberties and ask people directly and did so recently at my gym. I asked the beautiful young women what it meant and I received the "I dunno, I think it's cool"...I said, Hmmph. That's it, nothing else? A blank stare back (I can't stand this...know why you do something and stand for it, I despise following the pack or cowardice). I proceed, well, 1st of all you have beautiful eyes (smile, hair, etc) and I'm staring at your tongue when I want to look at your best feature. Then I go to explain about slave symbols, ask if it as sign to attract dominating men...they mostly looked shocked here. I normally have their strong attention at this point, I ask them about their own personal power (seems to be an obsession with young women) and wonder out loud if this might be a subliminal message to others and to themselves.

PS Don't try this in a crowd of people or with a condemning tone, be prepared to listen and change your mind. Private, gentle, soft spoken questions that allow dialogue conversation and sincere curiosity is best for learning. I want so much for our young women to be thoughtful about their appearance and how they might be treated. They are more powerful than they think and they have been unloved and deeply scarred by the cruelty of our culture. As for the Satanic symbols...yes, it's bad and I truly feel sorry for her and hope it is not a projection of her soul. But I also think this about people who have bloated their sedentary bodies into a hyper-immune state with food, alcohol etc.

Pray for our young people.

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Agree with you parenting: do not control (break the spirit) of children, steer them and guide them and pick them up when they ask for help, but do let them fall. Difficult, yes. That's growth.

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Dr. James Dobson wrote a book about The Strong Willed Child, also the author of Dare to Discipline. It was in the former, I think, that he talked about breaking the will without breaking the spirit. He had a great illustration about the parent telling "Johnny" to go to bed...

Anyway, I sort of wonder about Ash's upbringing. 🙏

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I can’t remember if it was from one of those books, but that phrase was part of our parenting for sure. When our girls were being defiant, I would always say, “that conviction will serve you well in the world, but it doesn’t serve you well in this house.“ 😉

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🎯🎯🎯

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My child, don’t reject the LORD’s discipline, and don’t be upset when He corrects you. For the LORD corrects those He loves, just as a father corrects a child in whom He delights. (Proverbs 3:11-12)

Ash should read the gospel of John and come to realize Satan has only bad intentions for her. She could be very powerful on the right team. I will pray for her salvation and transformation.

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Her choice of place to apply is suspect. Not so sure it wasn’t on purpose so that she could then use that as a platform. There are plenty of places that would hire her where either it was in line with her aesthetic or she wouldn’t have to be in the public eye. A retail clothing store is the opposite of where she should have started. If she is just trying to get her foot in the door and work for minimum wage, I’m sure there are tons of places that would give her a starting chance. I would invest in getting the face and neck tattoos off and cover up the rest when interviewing and working. It may be helpful to humbly admit that her tattoos may be off putting but that she can overcome the negative impressions with her work ethic and prove them wrong if given the chance. I would definitely approach that subject openly and humbly not defiantly.

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Lovely and true and well-stated!

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Thank you!!

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I think working in a tattoo shop would be the best job for Ash. In fact, she should even consider a career in tattoos.

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Good idea. But even among tattoo shops, only a few would hire her. The others wouldn't want to scare their "nice, normal" customers away.

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I was thinking the exact same thing Kayla!

Truly, she would probably want to focus on the "body mods" friendly shops. You know, the ones where people get forked tongues, fangs, horns and black tattooed eyeballs.

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I didn't know there are places where people can get forked tongues, fangs, horns, and black tattooed eyeballs. (You learn something new every day, and most of the time it's something you'd rather not know about!)

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Yep, it's a small clientele thankfully.

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Not sure Ash is real but if she is, she definitely has some things to learn about the labor market.

I wouldn't show up to a META job interview in an anti-vax shirt and expect to get the job.

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She’s definitely real, I went way down the rabbit hole… And excellent point!

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I’m so old…something about “permanent record” keeps resonating.

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🤣🙋‍♀️

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I don't know which came first in my reaction – the menacing designs obliterating her countenance, or my concern that tattoo inks contain toxins such as phthalates, benzo(a)pyrene, mercury, lead, arsenic, cadmium, iron oxide, antimony, beryllium, chromium and cobalt nickel that leach into the body.

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Seriously? Is informed consent required for tattoo's? If not, it should be.

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And these toxins are plunged 1-2mm (1/16th of an inch) DEEP INTO your dermis layer, so the color doesn't slough off as you drop dead skin cells daily. Then there's your immune system that sees that ink as an invader and tries to remove it, sometimes ending up in your lymphatic system (lymph nodes), possibly even end up in your liver.

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Same 🙉

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Dear Ms. Buckotwat,

You knew it was the tats so why even bother pretending like you don't? Seems like attention seeking behavior, but I'm not here to judge. If you're serious about landing a job, I heard United Airlines is looking to expand the diversity of their pilots to at least 50% women or people of color. United Airlines would hit the jackpot with a woman of color like yourself!

Best of Luck!

Vee

P.S. - You could always be an artist like Tom MacDonald who also shares your love for face tattoos and dermatologic decour (love this Jenna!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7tTfY84grM

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I KNEW you were going to share a link to that grill hahahahahahaha (also good advice!) ;)

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Hahaha absolutely mandatory! I knew you knew I was going to share Planet Earth's All Time Favorite Conscious Rapper with the Best Teeth this World Has Ever Seen!!!

Since you are OBVIOUSLY a fan of bad ass mind blowing rap, this truth dropping mofo has got to be seen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvnE6IJZugA

Happy Friday and thank you as always for the laughs!

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OMG! LOL!! Had to respond. I think I am in love! Not with Ash, let me quickly add. Too bad we are both married with children. Think of the fun amusing each other endlessly with our wit. A laughfest for life. I am 71, have been married for over 42 years.....to the same person (my soulmate so I am really not looking (ever) for a substitute). I have three grown children, all professionals- one in management, one with a masters in counseling, and one physician daughter (mini-me). All three got pierced right out of high school on the traditional HS grad road trip with friends. The two girls on the nose (tiny studs, no dripping snot-looking balls and chains, thank God) and the son on the lip. I only gave them grief because they did not consult me knowing I am paranoid about such quaint things as sterile technique. Their choice, I said outwardly, while cringing privately. My wife accepted this with similar equanimity. I think the longest any of the piercings lasted was about 3 months and then, one day they were gone, never to return. Funny thing is that I completed a full Ironman triathlon at 61 and, after six months of cogitating about whether to get an M-dot Ironman tattoo on my outer calf, my wife got tired of hearing me deliberate out loud and said, "You earned it. Get it." All three kids were shocked that dear old Dad got a tat. It is really discrete and tasteful. Promise. And, no more, ever........unless I win the Nobel or something. Is there a tat for that? In closing, I am the only tatted member of my family. Thankfully, I am retiring soon and no longer looking for work except maybe as a Walmart greeter of something similar to get me out of the house. I think I saw my wife sending out resumes......................

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LOL I love this!!! My husband (60) never had or wanted a tattoo. Doesn't hate mine but it just wasn't his thing. HOWEVER... I got my first tat in Amsterdam when I was 19. (Did not consult my parents, BTW.) When I got home, my uninked dad was like, "I can't believe my daughter got a tattoo before I did--let's go!" So we went and got tattoos together. (My third tattoo was a replica of the one he got that day when he passed away.) Well, my oldest daughter LOVED that dad-daughter-bonding story and for her 18th bday, all she wanted was to get tats with BOTH her 'rents... so hubby caved. Now he LOVES his ink (a tasteful sundial with all of our initials in place of the directions on his forearm) and shows it off proudly. It's too bad you can't see it in the photo; whenever a camera comes out he typically and with a great, exaggerated flourish, flexes that arm out for the shot. :)

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There are hundreds of jobs she could do and skills she could learn or even become self employed.

I started getting paid on the ranch when I was 13. $3 a day to start. I also started doing leather work at that age and was selling things I made at age 14.

Since I am now 77, nobody looked like that that I ever remembered seeing as a kid.

A few guys got tats in the service and a sailor that crossed the equator was allowed an ear ring but that was it.

Jenna, you have a right to be proud of your beautiful daughters.

To me seeing tats like Ash has is a sign of in your face rebellion against society that most likely we would only work if everybody else looked like her.

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Dear Ash: It's the tats! Either have them removed (ouch!) or cover them up when you apply for a job. Or, as Jenna suggests, start your own business. If you do, I advise you to work remotely, because I'm not sure I'd hire you to do anything except open the front door on Halloween to scare the trick or treaters. And Jenna, your daughters look lovely, and I hope I get the chance to meet them someday. I love hearing young people talk about their plans for the future. It fills me with hope and joy.

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Case in point...40 years ago, I walked into the United Parcel Office along with about 50 other applicates in line for 2 driving positions. I had on a nice suit and looked more like I was going to church than applying for a job. I only noticed one other person that dressed up, the rest were in whatever they threw on for lazing around the house. Yes, I get we were applying for a truck driver job but guess who got hired out of those 50 people? Me and the guy dressed up. I'd never drove commercially and after struggling through the application I had no hope of landing that job. Now, I seat on easy street with a 30 year pension.

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1-Your family is beautiful.💕

2-Society has gone to hell in a hand basket. I used to get annoyed with the sloppy way people dressed in restaurants, the theatre, museum, airplane, etc and then I got over it until I started seeing kids and adults wearing pajama pants and slippers outside, baseball hats inside, etc. Ugh. Now I’m even more disgusted with the tight leggings and work out wear girls are wearing, especially the heavy set ones. Either way, heavy or not, I don’t enjoy looking at peoples behinds.

3-Now I’m seeing bathing suit bottoms with no bottoms, just string, and all size behinds wearing them at the beach and pool. Ugh.

4-The arm sleeves and tattooed faces, chests, behinds and necks disturb me, looks dirty and ugly IMO :/.

5-I have a TJ Maxx/Marshalls near me and we have a “Pat” from SNL working there, I swear I don’t know what their gender is and I’m sure that’s on purpose. They are tattooed as well with disks in the ears and bright Orange hair. I find it unsettling and unprofessional. There are many “Ashes” in Petco and Trader Joe’s as well, and many are still wearing masks. I don’t understand it.

You list many great jobs that Ash can try if she’s serious about working! ;)

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You are totally objective, those are great kids.

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😊😊😊

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Jenna - be still my heart. You are blessed with a beautiful family who also have beautiful hearts and souls. Fruit don’t fall too far from the tree. 🥰

I listened to this stack in the app while walking. When I finally looked at the photo of Ash, I was shocked that it was way worse than what my imagination conjured up. But behind all those tats, I think underneath there was a beautiful young woman.The poor girl is certainly wrestling with some demons. Heartbreaking. ❤️‍🩹 Maybe she’s coming to a very rude awakening if she reads all the comments.

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