We’ve been taking gradual steps towards degeneracy, but this is a big leap. We simply lower ourselves to the same level as the Jihadi barbarians if we go down this path. I am strongly opposed.
This is not murder. That's what the perpetrator practiced. The death penalty seems completely reasonable (and a decade overdue) to me. It's the celebratory livestreaming that's disgusting.
I don’t understand why it takes so long for executions to happen. Decades after horrific murders have occurred we the taxpayers have supported these monsters.
I believe livestream of exacutions is barbaric whatever the reasoning is..
I would suggest that the due process involved makes this at least a step or two above barbarians. Now the fact that we do all the shady stuff we do around the world? To me, THAT puts us on the level of the barbarians.
Even *with* a livestream, those same people could say it was a deepfake, or a different guy. Trying to appease fantasists and weirdos is no excuse for sinking to this sad, sad level.
Why should we care about the "X" population? Do you care about the Victims of his crime? Their surviving family? Those who survived the slaughter? Priorities of empathy are completely ignored these days. We have lost our minds and will lose our Country if we do not make a stand against the criminals!
I hate to be the one to break it to you, Lisa. But the families of the victims will not feel one ounce more complete after they watch the murderer get blasted up like a swiss cheese. If anything, they will feel even emptier. They should turn to God for solace - not Youtube.
I disagree that its been 'gradual'. With Trump its been a freefall plunge.
But what do you expect from a president that posts videos of himself dumping feces on Americans.
"If you live in a country that sends poor people to jail for using drugs, but doesn't send rich people to jail for raping kids, you live in a shithole country." - Books Behind Borders
I can be disappointed in the speed, but not in the results. We should all support smaller govt, less waste & fraud; permanent tax cuts; return of crucial manufacturing & private sector jobs (huge!), lower crime, lowest homicide rates; fewer overdoses; lower drug costs; IRAs for all newborns (life changing, and THE answer to the SS insolvency) & healthier children. Iran is counting on us being shortsighted. If the Rs retain control of Congress, Iran will fold. If Ds regain control, it’s back to bigger govt, open borders, endless risk from Iran, and even worse stagnation in Congress. The recent jobs report was terrific. The Panama Canal and Greenlands were great (may allow us to get out of NATO), and the H-1B visa changes are great for our citizens.
Tariffs will benefit us. Prices should improve after the midterms.
Dan, sorry for the copy and paste, but Can’t disagree with Proberta’s opinion, but “poor people” have free legal representation, and no one is sent to jail for using now, afaik. Re rape, you might recall that there are statutes of limitation, and a small detail like proof. We’re starting to see legal action on several fronts. It’s too early to start casting blame.
It's true Gary. Trump betrayed us. We wanted the Epstein list and no more forever wars. We got an Iranian invasion and a gaggle of influencers with empty binders.
Can’t disagree with your comment, but “poor people” have free legal representation, and no one is sent to jail for using now, afaik. You might recall that there are statutes of limitation, and a small detail like proof. We’re starting to see legal action on several fronts. It’s too early to start casting blame.
I wholeheartedly agree with your position and sentiments, however, what I will say is that we've already been there for decades so in a very ironic way this at least does away with the hypocrisy of pretending we aren't barbaric and fully aligned with terrorist methods to advance "our" interests.
ARE WE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THIS? The very fact that we are tells us that this is a psychological operation. The exact purpose? I'm not sure. To continue to make things more extreme? To divide the left and right even more? To continue normalizing violence in our already overly violent society?
The real question is, who has actually made the decision to livestream a public execution? Who in the dark shadows has called the shots to make this an actual thing in reality?
This is further proof that we are dealing with spiritual warfare. We are asking the wrong questions when something like this makes it in our consciousness. Mr. Rodgers understood this very well and tried to do something about it. He would be rolling in his grave if he could see what television and screens are being used for.
“I'm so convinced that the space between the television set and the viewer is holy ground. And what we put on the television can, by the Holy Spirit, be translated into what this person needs to hear and see, and without that translation it's all dross as far as I'm concerned.” - Mr. Fred Rodgers
First thing that I said was "For goodess'sake, they're just now getting around to this?!" If he'd been quietly disappeared days or MAYBE a few weeks after the deed, we would have gotten on with our lives and an appropriate service to society would've been administered. We do what David did to goliath,
Maybe the same people who had to clean-up the slaughter of our troops back in 2009! did you care who cleaned up then! Good God! We are at WAR with terrorists who have been allowed to invade our country because of misguided empathy and idiocy within our Government! This execution is long overdue and perfectly fair. It is a warning to other terrorist, sleeper cells still hiding in every suburban neighborhood, given a pass on having to register their vehicle, having to learn the language, test for a driving license, pay rent, etc! They plot against our very way of life and our freedoms. But still you turn the other cheek. Those troops have no cheek to turn!
Seriously? You’re going there in the face of a man who murdered 13 innocent people? Whatever accusations you make—like a broken record—against the government, fails to address Hassan’s responsibility for his own actions.
Wrong...firing squads can be composed of 5 to 7 men, with one man receiving a "blank" known as the "conscience bullet" so you can never be sure if your shot was lethal or not. That said, anyone familiar with the difference between a live round and a blank would probably notice a slight difference in recoil.
We have already seen murder online. The victim on the subway. Charlie Kirk. And I’m sure plenty of others. This is visible justice for a change. People can choose not to watch. It should be solemn and serious. The population needs to know death is not a video game.
Finally a voice of reason! Justice is needed and the icing on the cake is this guy will be off the taxpayer dole as well! Enough with misplaced empathy! Those who cannot abide the killing of a criminal, yet celebrate the slaughter of an innocent are trying to steal our Country via misdirection and redefinition! Bringing back community involvement in justice is a reminder to the criminals to think twice about trespassing on others! Each person has free will to choose their path in life and their actions. Knowing their are societal expectations for civilized behavior, if one wishes chooses to break with the law then consequences for will ensue. No consequences, no reason for laws! No enforcement of laws, leads to more lawlessness. Empathy and excuses for the lawbreakers also leads to more crime and escalated intensity and savagery of the crimes! The Subway killing of the Ukrainian woman was evidence of a deranged group think of empathy for the criminal! The public execution of Charlie Kirk and the Healthcare CEO was evidence of a lawless factions of fans seeking fame and empathy for the slaughter of the innocent! By allowing the criminal factions to continually get 3 square meals per day is the equivalent of giving the middle finger to the taxpayer who foot the bills for all the trials and prison time, medical expenses, et cetera! It makes a mockery of the citizens and nullifies any deterrent to crime! Could you run a family with no behavioral deterrents? No consequences for bad behavior? We need to return to actual justice and get these criminals off the public pay role ASAP!
This type of reasoning can only be justified if you apply it equally across the board, including the way the American government has harmed and killed millions of us through vaccine injury and death. Let's not stop there though. Let's film war the way the Vietnam war was filmed and let's see how many Americans will still support the murder of innocent civilians under the guise of spreading democracy.
The livestream is not for Americans. It is for the world to see our response to terrorism. The people inclined to repeat this man’s crimes need to see the penalty. It is deterrence, plain and simple. In my opinion it should be a hanging, which is more humiliating.
I think the problem with that argument is that this is not really a deterrent to jihadists. They believe that dying for Allah is noble. “Look at the attention, the notoriety! That could be me!” 🙈
It was suggested in jest that the firing squad be all-female. Upon further consideration, those jihadists might not take the same level of pride in being executed by women.
How was this NOT done sooner? Why does justice take so long in the USA? Was there some ...doubt... about his guilt? I will not tune in but am not opposed to live streaming. Life & death are real, deal with it. Maybe I'm just old and calloused?
I am old and calloused, too, but I won’t be watching. My best guess is those who will are the ones who need to see it the most. Hopefully it will put the fear of God into them and they might think twice before they mow down a bunch of innocents.
You mean like our military and its intelligence arms, let's just say since the Vietnam era and going forward in every administration (except Trump I) to this day? And we can begin with our transparent mission to fund terrorists with Bin Laden and the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan in the late 70s (though it certainly pre-dates that time) and often using terrorists, including al-Qaeda & ISIS (if we didn't largely create them) as mercenary armies for hire. And so on and so forth.
Your comment doesn't make sense to me, sir. You mean the person executed, or to be executed, was deterred? That's a given if that's your point, but deterrence has to do with the notion of merely having the death penalty in place as a deterrent so that people will not go as far as killing. Obviously, in today's world some people are so lost deep inside cycles of violence that this notion is pure fantasy.
While I have no desire to watch an execution, I have some perspective that might be interesting to someone.
I’m currently in Colorado Springs for my 40-year high school reunion, staying with my 94 year old retired fighter pilot dad, who’s mentally sharp as a tack. Hanging out with he and his friends at the local private airport the other day, this topic came up. They’re all retired military officers and to a person they adamantly believe the televised execution is the right thing. They’re thrilled with Hegseth’s decision.
Then the next night I went to the reunion. Since our (public) high school is on the Air Force Academy property, most of our students are from military families and many also served, even retired, from the military. Again the topic came up and again every single military person is happy about the execution. For the non-military in the group the perspectives were mixed, liked Jenna’s poll answers.
So I’ve come to the conclusion that it seems personal to people in the military, that a line was crossed and there is no going back. And I’m ok with letting them have their perspective, but my computer will not be on.
Yes, Valerie, thanks for sharing. I come from a military family also. My father passed almost 40 years ago. I wonder what he would have said about this.
My father, WW11 and Korea, would say, "What's good for the goose is good for the Gander!" Meaning in this instance, a life for a life, turnabout is fair play. Why is it terrible to execute s mass murderer? Clearly the murder believes murdering is fine and even noble. By committing the act in a lawful country, he understood that there would be consequences for his actions. The law of physics states,"... for every action their is an equal and opposite reaction." Therefore, why get our panties in a bunch over the inevitable. The fact that it has taken so long to recapture our own Military and give it a shot of courage and much needed Testosterone, is mind boggling. The feminized reaction is laughable and so telling!
I’m with you. My only reticence is in the televising of his execution, I think maybe it should be only streamed to military installations. Because jihadists won’t see it as a deterrent, they’ll see it as glory for their cause because it’s exactly what they want when they commit an act of terrorism.
This is the key point critics are missing. Nobody is forcing anyone to watch. Last I checked terrorist regimes force everyone to watch their beheadings and executions.
He killed 14 people. One of the women he killed was pregnant. I did not know he graduated from my alma mater. Two homicidal maniacs (at least) at VT, while my sons had zero chance of getting accepted there. I don't have strong opinions about it being public, but I have no desire to watch. I do hope the firing squad is all men (sorry, couldn't resist).
It's hard to imagine being the husband of that pregnant woman, living all these years knowing that vile piece of s**t murdered your wife and unborn child while she begged for mercy for that child. The system inflicts cruel and unusual punishment on her surviving family, and all the other victims and families, while coddling that sub-human, worthless animal. Televised or not, get on with his punishment.
Finally, a reasonable human being! We live in a different reality than those who choose to empathize with the inhumane over the victim. We are losing our country to a feminized society who equalize the criminal and the innocent, lawful humans! This is very destructive and the main reason our Blue voting cities have far more crime, homelessness and open drug use, et cetera! Not prioritizing law and citizens rights over criminal behaviors is how this all starts. A lack of consequences and importing those who do not share our values comes from those who pretend to care, but really are furthering the destruction of our country and freedoms!
It’s my understanding that if a woman is involved they don’t enter into whatever they call their heaven. I wonder if that is true? If so, maybe at least one woman?
Charlie Kirk was executed in public (and I deliberately chose the word executed because his accused killer deemed himself judge, jury, and executioner) and copies of the video were spread far and wide on the interwebs amid cheers galore. Please explain the difference.
She can't! The difference is about the EGO and self-image. Far too many women have misplaced empathy. They don't realize that to go up against a lawless culture, you need strong men who are not afraid of delivering a strong message and strong deterrents! A lack of Alpha men is why we have such a high crime rate and so many young men in prison and jails. No strong role model at home laying down the law and administering the discipline. Too many single mothers' raising lawless boys coupled with a feminized police force and Judicial bench!
I for one will be watching. Perhaps it will deter others in the future, maybe it won't. Eye for an Eye.
That demon in a skin suit is foul and fetid and let him crumble to the ground just like he did to his 45 victims. Wish I could be there to piss on his grave or ashes. No forgetting, no forgiving. 45 victims. May he rot in Hell. Next, let's do Fauci.
Ah, just when things were starting to calm down, ANOTHER reminder that the current administration is run by populists, not conservatives. This is sooo, gratuitously, stupid, and begs the question, "Why invite comparisons to jihadist beheadings?" For heaven's sake, the almighty, unimpeachable government won't even show us the "execution" of what's-his-name, the 9/11 planner.
However, opposition to LIVE-STREAMING EXECUTIONS is not the same thing as opposing executions.
Crimes that DO NOT HAVE CONSEQUENCES, you get MORE of. "It is enough" to establish that "capital crimes end with capital punishment--every time there is no doubt." (I have to add that last because of the track record of the almighty, unimpeachable government's "justice" system.)
However, a society which has given the impression--since 1945--that certain crimes DO NOT HAVE THE ULTIMATE CONSEQUENCE can be arguably guilty of enticement, by giving a false impression. Certainly, the defense can make the case that a "pause" of 81 years has rendered renewed enforcement "capricious" and "arbitrary" and, we can admit, "unusual."
Society IS entitled to execute the worst of its anti-social predators--NOT, as recent popes have mis-opined against historical Church teaching, "to protect itself from future predations," which would involve pretending to know the future, but rather--because... JUSTICE. The crime requires individuals to pay, not Society to continue to pay for the sociopaths' MAINTENANCE.
If it were up to me, I'd offer Hasan a chance to convert to Christianity--a self-imposed death sentence for EVERY Muslim.
Yes. And that’s what we all share here. Our opinions. Good job noticing. 👍😂 I may disagree with David on the live stream aspect, but he makes logical coherent points about that and so I’m glad he shared his views. They are more thoughtful than simply posting “your opinion”
All executions should be public for those that want to attend or tune in as they are publicly funded to begin with. If viewing the permanent elimination of a murderer is too much for you, just don't watch it...but don't gripe or condemn those that like to confirm their tax dollars are being put to proper use prior to the last public execution (I believe the person's name was "Raine"), it was common practice for most of a town to show up for a hanging, and it probably would still be if not for the rot of liberalism and bullshit sensitivities.
This can’t be worse than watching Resident Evil. The violence will be less than what’s on TV already. However, live-streaming this so those around the world who don’t like us can use it for propaganda purposes doesn’t seem like a good idea.
Have they needed public executions for “propaganda purposes” to conduct terror all along? I don’t think so. Maybe it just might be a deterrent to future terrorism and treason.
So this is to be available to military personnel, not to the general public. But hey, it was just fine to show Charlie Kirk's assignation and that of the Ukrainian girl on the subway! So why is this narrow audience of the Military a bad thing. Deterrents serve as a warning of what not to do!
This is for our troops to see if they wish but not for public as a livestream as if casual entertainment. It will find its way to Youtube and every outlet that wants clicks. Public execution reflects poorly on our society and we are not at ISIS or feudal levels of morality where this is deemed required viewing. Life without parole is what he should get. No reprieve. We should operate at our moral standard not their's. To execute like this is to dirty oneself with their vile behavior towards ourselves. We are better than that.
The punishment for treason is death. Not life without parole. This is a military matter, not a civil crime. I won’t be watching, but it is absolutely nothing like what jihadis do to innocent civilians.
Bingo! It is that simple! A long established deterrent to attacking your fellow troops. Why do some people see this as wrong? It boggles the mind how many people side with out enemies and those who murder the innocent!
Kids will see this in real time. It will be out there, but knowing that it is real time for our children seeing an execution is a rough image. For the military, it is suitable viewing and they may need to see this form of justice. For 10yr olds and such, they should not see this in real time.
Isn’t it the parents’ responsibility to control what their kids see? Did they see the poor girl get stabbed to death on the subway? Did they see Charlie Kirk get shot in real time? Do they watch violent shows or play violent video games?
You can pay for his room and board for life! I don't want that burden! I am a death penalty supporter and believe in deterrents. Each criminal makes a choice to commit a crime, why do you give them your empathy and extend them the grace of life, when they so eagerly take life from the innocent? What does that say about your loyalties and civil regard for your fellow citizen who follows the laws and honors their civil contract with their fellow humans?
We’ve been taking gradual steps towards degeneracy, but this is a big leap. We simply lower ourselves to the same level as the Jihadi barbarians if we go down this path. I am strongly opposed.
Jihadi barbarians murder innocent people. Not the same at all.
The fact is they jerk off over watching people get slaughtered. Let's not join them in that endeavor. Let's try and maintain at least *some* dignity.
Such a “dignified” response.
From a person who has popcorn at the ready to enhance enjoyment of the slaughter…I’ll take that as a compliment.
This is not murder. That's what the perpetrator practiced. The death penalty seems completely reasonable (and a decade overdue) to me. It's the celebratory livestreaming that's disgusting.
I don’t understand why it takes so long for executions to happen. Decades after horrific murders have occurred we the taxpayers have supported these monsters.
I believe livestream of exacutions is barbaric whatever the reasoning is..
Laura, 100%
I would suggest that the due process involved makes this at least a step or two above barbarians. Now the fact that we do all the shady stuff we do around the world? To me, THAT puts us on the level of the barbarians.
We need to repent of all that, but consider the old saying, “2 wrongs don’t make it right”.
And just because we aren’t using Hasan’s cell phone, (10/7/23), to satisfy those who say, “stream it”!, this won’t help us heal this land.
The accountability will suffice, and warn those of consequences, that WILL follow such actions.
It’s simply a reversion to the norm of human behavior. The thin veneer of “civilized western society” is fading into history.
That said, without a livestream, half of X will claim the guy is still alive and living secretly with Epstein.
Even *with* a livestream, those same people could say it was a deepfake, or a different guy. Trying to appease fantasists and weirdos is no excuse for sinking to this sad, sad level.
Why should we care about the "X" population? Do you care about the Victims of his crime? Their surviving family? Those who survived the slaughter? Priorities of empathy are completely ignored these days. We have lost our minds and will lose our Country if we do not make a stand against the criminals!
I hate to be the one to break it to you, Lisa. But the families of the victims will not feel one ounce more complete after they watch the murderer get blasted up like a swiss cheese. If anything, they will feel even emptier. They should turn to God for solace - not Youtube.
",,,gradual steps towards degeneracy"
I disagree that its been 'gradual'. With Trump its been a freefall plunge.
But what do you expect from a president that posts videos of himself dumping feces on Americans.
"If you live in a country that sends poor people to jail for using drugs, but doesn't send rich people to jail for raping kids, you live in a shithole country." - Books Behind Borders
I was a MAGA obsessive in 2024. And sadly I can't disagree with a word of this in 2026.
I can be disappointed in the speed, but not in the results. We should all support smaller govt, less waste & fraud; permanent tax cuts; return of crucial manufacturing & private sector jobs (huge!), lower crime, lowest homicide rates; fewer overdoses; lower drug costs; IRAs for all newborns (life changing, and THE answer to the SS insolvency) & healthier children. Iran is counting on us being shortsighted. If the Rs retain control of Congress, Iran will fold. If Ds regain control, it’s back to bigger govt, open borders, endless risk from Iran, and even worse stagnation in Congress. The recent jobs report was terrific. The Panama Canal and Greenlands were great (may allow us to get out of NATO), and the H-1B visa changes are great for our citizens.
Tariffs will benefit us. Prices should improve after the midterms.
Dan, sorry for the copy and paste, but Can’t disagree with Proberta’s opinion, but “poor people” have free legal representation, and no one is sent to jail for using now, afaik. Re rape, you might recall that there are statutes of limitation, and a small detail like proof. We’re starting to see legal action on several fronts. It’s too early to start casting blame.
Say what????
It's true Gary. Trump betrayed us. We wanted the Epstein list and no more forever wars. We got an Iranian invasion and a gaggle of influencers with empty binders.
Can’t disagree with your comment, but “poor people” have free legal representation, and no one is sent to jail for using now, afaik. You might recall that there are statutes of limitation, and a small detail like proof. We’re starting to see legal action on several fronts. It’s too early to start casting blame.
Are you totally stupid.
Well...I know that if I am asking a question I need to add ? on the end.
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I wholeheartedly agree with your position and sentiments, however, what I will say is that we've already been there for decades so in a very ironic way this at least does away with the hypocrisy of pretending we aren't barbaric and fully aligned with terrorist methods to advance "our" interests.
ARE WE REALLY TALKING ABOUT THIS? The very fact that we are tells us that this is a psychological operation. The exact purpose? I'm not sure. To continue to make things more extreme? To divide the left and right even more? To continue normalizing violence in our already overly violent society?
The real question is, who has actually made the decision to livestream a public execution? Who in the dark shadows has called the shots to make this an actual thing in reality?
This is further proof that we are dealing with spiritual warfare. We are asking the wrong questions when something like this makes it in our consciousness. Mr. Rodgers understood this very well and tried to do something about it. He would be rolling in his grave if he could see what television and screens are being used for.
“I'm so convinced that the space between the television set and the viewer is holy ground. And what we put on the television can, by the Holy Spirit, be translated into what this person needs to hear and see, and without that translation it's all dross as far as I'm concerned.” - Mr. Fred Rodgers
First thing that I said was "For goodess'sake, they're just now getting around to this?!" If he'd been quietly disappeared days or MAYBE a few weeks after the deed, we would have gotten on with our lives and an appropriate service to society would've been administered. We do what David did to goliath,
and just move on.
Who cleans up the mess? Always, someone has to clean up the mess.
Maybe the same people who had to clean-up the slaughter of our troops back in 2009! did you care who cleaned up then! Good God! We are at WAR with terrorists who have been allowed to invade our country because of misguided empathy and idiocy within our Government! This execution is long overdue and perfectly fair. It is a warning to other terrorist, sleeper cells still hiding in every suburban neighborhood, given a pass on having to register their vehicle, having to learn the language, test for a driving license, pay rent, etc! They plot against our very way of life and our freedoms. But still you turn the other cheek. Those troops have no cheek to turn!
Lisa I will never turn the other cheek. I guess you caught me generalizing about government in general.
This is not the time. This is justice and should have been served long ago. I admire your passion and appreciate your reply.
Who has harmed and killed more Americans? Your government or Islamic terrorists?
Seriously? You’re going there in the face of a man who murdered 13 innocent people? Whatever accusations you make—like a broken record—against the government, fails to address Hassan’s responsibility for his own actions.
@Richard- not much to clean up. Only one soldier has live ammo. The rest do not.
Wrong...firing squads can be composed of 5 to 7 men, with one man receiving a "blank" known as the "conscience bullet" so you can never be sure if your shot was lethal or not. That said, anyone familiar with the difference between a live round and a blank would probably notice a slight difference in recoil.
@Jeff with three Fs- I swear I got it backwards. I believe you are correct.
But then what happens if that one bullet misses its target?
@Joanie- they shoot more than once
@Kittynana: Did not know this. But would not want to be a member of that squad regardless.
@MaryAnn- this way it leaves the guilt out of the equation. No one knows whose shot(s) did it.
Would you like the job?
@Richard- I'm a pretty good shot but I wouldn't be guaranteed I'd have the ammo in my gun.
It should be the people who decided that this was a good idea.
That’s reasonable
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"who has actually made the decision to livestream a public execution?"
Donald J. Trump.
Thank the good Lord for a brave man who knows we need to draw a line and stand firm!
Right. Trump is not only the President but also Commander in Chief of the Armed Services so naturally it would be his call.
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Mr Rodgers? The pedophile?
Are you insane? Where did you get such a garbage claim?
We have already seen murder online. The victim on the subway. Charlie Kirk. And I’m sure plenty of others. This is visible justice for a change. People can choose not to watch. It should be solemn and serious. The population needs to know death is not a video game.
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Finally a voice of reason! Justice is needed and the icing on the cake is this guy will be off the taxpayer dole as well! Enough with misplaced empathy! Those who cannot abide the killing of a criminal, yet celebrate the slaughter of an innocent are trying to steal our Country via misdirection and redefinition! Bringing back community involvement in justice is a reminder to the criminals to think twice about trespassing on others! Each person has free will to choose their path in life and their actions. Knowing their are societal expectations for civilized behavior, if one wishes chooses to break with the law then consequences for will ensue. No consequences, no reason for laws! No enforcement of laws, leads to more lawlessness. Empathy and excuses for the lawbreakers also leads to more crime and escalated intensity and savagery of the crimes! The Subway killing of the Ukrainian woman was evidence of a deranged group think of empathy for the criminal! The public execution of Charlie Kirk and the Healthcare CEO was evidence of a lawless factions of fans seeking fame and empathy for the slaughter of the innocent! By allowing the criminal factions to continually get 3 square meals per day is the equivalent of giving the middle finger to the taxpayer who foot the bills for all the trials and prison time, medical expenses, et cetera! It makes a mockery of the citizens and nullifies any deterrent to crime! Could you run a family with no behavioral deterrents? No consequences for bad behavior? We need to return to actual justice and get these criminals off the public pay role ASAP!
I agree with you.
This type of reasoning can only be justified if you apply it equally across the board, including the way the American government has harmed and killed millions of us through vaccine injury and death. Let's not stop there though. Let's film war the way the Vietnam war was filmed and let's see how many Americans will still support the murder of innocent civilians under the guise of spreading democracy.
All good points, but I still won’t watch.
The livestream is not for Americans. It is for the world to see our response to terrorism. The people inclined to repeat this man’s crimes need to see the penalty. It is deterrence, plain and simple. In my opinion it should be a hanging, which is more humiliating.
I think the problem with that argument is that this is not really a deterrent to jihadists. They believe that dying for Allah is noble. “Look at the attention, the notoriety! That could be me!” 🙈
It was suggested in jest that the firing squad be all-female. Upon further consideration, those jihadists might not take the same level of pride in being executed by women.
But that’s also why it should be as humiliating and debasing as possible
Just what I was thinking as I read that comment. Also, the whole thing reminded me of the Hunger Games movie.
Exactly.. just like the school shooters that live stream…
BOOM SHAKALAKA!
They need to cover him with pigs blood before they shoot him.
How was this NOT done sooner? Why does justice take so long in the USA? Was there some ...doubt... about his guilt? I will not tune in but am not opposed to live streaming. Life & death are real, deal with it. Maybe I'm just old and calloused?
I am old and calloused, too, but I won’t be watching. My best guess is those who will are the ones who need to see it the most. Hopefully it will put the fear of God into them and they might think twice before they mow down a bunch of innocents.
Death penalty is not a deterrent for anyone bent on killing- period. This has been well known for a very long time.
Yes you are right but those who are "bent on killing" will be removed from society and hurting others.
You mean like our military and its intelligence arms, let's just say since the Vietnam era and going forward in every administration (except Trump I) to this day? And we can begin with our transparent mission to fund terrorists with Bin Laden and the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan in the late 70s (though it certainly pre-dates that time) and often using terrorists, including al-Qaeda & ISIS (if we didn't largely create them) as mercenary armies for hire. And so on and so forth.
The death penalty deters the killer who already was convicted from ever killing again!? -period. This is obvious.
Your comment doesn't make sense to me, sir. You mean the person executed, or to be executed, was deterred? That's a given if that's your point, but deterrence has to do with the notion of merely having the death penalty in place as a deterrent so that people will not go as far as killing. Obviously, in today's world some people are so lost deep inside cycles of violence that this notion is pure fantasy.
While I have no desire to watch an execution, I have some perspective that might be interesting to someone.
I’m currently in Colorado Springs for my 40-year high school reunion, staying with my 94 year old retired fighter pilot dad, who’s mentally sharp as a tack. Hanging out with he and his friends at the local private airport the other day, this topic came up. They’re all retired military officers and to a person they adamantly believe the televised execution is the right thing. They’re thrilled with Hegseth’s decision.
Then the next night I went to the reunion. Since our (public) high school is on the Air Force Academy property, most of our students are from military families and many also served, even retired, from the military. Again the topic came up and again every single military person is happy about the execution. For the non-military in the group the perspectives were mixed, liked Jenna’s poll answers.
So I’ve come to the conclusion that it seems personal to people in the military, that a line was crossed and there is no going back. And I’m ok with letting them have their perspective, but my computer will not be on.
Great share. Thank you
Yes, Valerie, thanks for sharing. I come from a military family also. My father passed almost 40 years ago. I wonder what he would have said about this.
My father, WW11 and Korea, would say, "What's good for the goose is good for the Gander!" Meaning in this instance, a life for a life, turnabout is fair play. Why is it terrible to execute s mass murderer? Clearly the murder believes murdering is fine and even noble. By committing the act in a lawful country, he understood that there would be consequences for his actions. The law of physics states,"... for every action their is an equal and opposite reaction." Therefore, why get our panties in a bunch over the inevitable. The fact that it has taken so long to recapture our own Military and give it a shot of courage and much needed Testosterone, is mind boggling. The feminized reaction is laughable and so telling!
I’m with you. My only reticence is in the televising of his execution, I think maybe it should be only streamed to military installations. Because jihadists won’t see it as a deterrent, they’ll see it as glory for their cause because it’s exactly what they want when they commit an act of terrorism.
If he’s anything like my dad he would be watching with popcorn, apparently.
I will not tune in. I’m good with just knowing he is not wasting taxpayer money, residing in prison.
This is the key point critics are missing. Nobody is forcing anyone to watch. Last I checked terrorist regimes force everyone to watch their beheadings and executions.
It would be more interesting if citizens could apply to serve on the firing squad(s). Maybe a lotto...
I like that idea. Husband would be all about it.
Sign me up.
This is the first time I disagree with you.
Next all of the political criminals. You know who they are. Let's roll.
Add in Fauci and friends.
Definitely Billy Boy Gates!!
Oh yes, most definitely.
This is where I depart from all other reasoning. Public execution for Fauci - and yes, I’d watch .
Indeed.
He killed 14 people. One of the women he killed was pregnant. I did not know he graduated from my alma mater. Two homicidal maniacs (at least) at VT, while my sons had zero chance of getting accepted there. I don't have strong opinions about it being public, but I have no desire to watch. I do hope the firing squad is all men (sorry, couldn't resist).
It's hard to imagine being the husband of that pregnant woman, living all these years knowing that vile piece of s**t murdered your wife and unborn child while she begged for mercy for that child. The system inflicts cruel and unusual punishment on her surviving family, and all the other victims and families, while coddling that sub-human, worthless animal. Televised or not, get on with his punishment.
Finally, a reasonable human being! We live in a different reality than those who choose to empathize with the inhumane over the victim. We are losing our country to a feminized society who equalize the criminal and the innocent, lawful humans! This is very destructive and the main reason our Blue voting cities have far more crime, homelessness and open drug use, et cetera! Not prioritizing law and citizens rights over criminal behaviors is how this all starts. A lack of consequences and importing those who do not share our values comes from those who pretend to care, but really are furthering the destruction of our country and freedoms!
He killed a child in the womb. Now I want to piss on his body as soon as he crumbles to the ground.
It’s my understanding that if a woman is involved they don’t enter into whatever they call their heaven. I wonder if that is true? If so, maybe at least one woman?
If that’s the case, they should all be women. Lol
If that is true, it might be the best deterrent of all……humiliation plus no 7 virgins or whatever, no glory.
Charlie Kirk was executed in public (and I deliberately chose the word executed because his accused killer deemed himself judge, jury, and executioner) and copies of the video were spread far and wide on the interwebs amid cheers galore. Please explain the difference.
Bingo
She can't! The difference is about the EGO and self-image. Far too many women have misplaced empathy. They don't realize that to go up against a lawless culture, you need strong men who are not afraid of delivering a strong message and strong deterrents! A lack of Alpha men is why we have such a high crime rate and so many young men in prison and jails. No strong role model at home laying down the law and administering the discipline. Too many single mothers' raising lawless boys coupled with a feminized police force and Judicial bench!
@Lisa- in fairness to Jenna, many men are also against a public show.
I for one will be watching. Perhaps it will deter others in the future, maybe it won't. Eye for an Eye.
That demon in a skin suit is foul and fetid and let him crumble to the ground just like he did to his 45 victims. Wish I could be there to piss on his grave or ashes. No forgetting, no forgiving. 45 victims. May he rot in Hell. Next, let's do Fauci.
Irina was a public execution and the executioner was given sympathy by many. Maybe he can be public beheading.
I will help with that free of charge.
Ah, just when things were starting to calm down, ANOTHER reminder that the current administration is run by populists, not conservatives. This is sooo, gratuitously, stupid, and begs the question, "Why invite comparisons to jihadist beheadings?" For heaven's sake, the almighty, unimpeachable government won't even show us the "execution" of what's-his-name, the 9/11 planner.
However, opposition to LIVE-STREAMING EXECUTIONS is not the same thing as opposing executions.
Crimes that DO NOT HAVE CONSEQUENCES, you get MORE of. "It is enough" to establish that "capital crimes end with capital punishment--every time there is no doubt." (I have to add that last because of the track record of the almighty, unimpeachable government's "justice" system.)
However, a society which has given the impression--since 1945--that certain crimes DO NOT HAVE THE ULTIMATE CONSEQUENCE can be arguably guilty of enticement, by giving a false impression. Certainly, the defense can make the case that a "pause" of 81 years has rendered renewed enforcement "capricious" and "arbitrary" and, we can admit, "unusual."
Society IS entitled to execute the worst of its anti-social predators--NOT, as recent popes have mis-opined against historical Church teaching, "to protect itself from future predations," which would involve pretending to know the future, but rather--because... JUSTICE. The crime requires individuals to pay, not Society to continue to pay for the sociopaths' MAINTENANCE.
If it were up to me, I'd offer Hasan a chance to convert to Christianity--a self-imposed death sentence for EVERY Muslim.
He has that opportunity until December 3rd, and I hope he takes it. Ted Bundy did.
Your opinion.
Yes. And that’s what we all share here. Our opinions. Good job noticing. 👍😂 I may disagree with David on the live stream aspect, but he makes logical coherent points about that and so I’m glad he shared his views. They are more thoughtful than simply posting “your opinion”
Your opinion.
All executions should be public for those that want to attend or tune in as they are publicly funded to begin with. If viewing the permanent elimination of a murderer is too much for you, just don't watch it...but don't gripe or condemn those that like to confirm their tax dollars are being put to proper use prior to the last public execution (I believe the person's name was "Raine"), it was common practice for most of a town to show up for a hanging, and it probably would still be if not for the rot of liberalism and bullshit sensitivities.
I forgot to add that my only problem with the use of a firing squad is that it's over too quickly. The POS should be hung..nan inch at a time.
This can’t be worse than watching Resident Evil. The violence will be less than what’s on TV already. However, live-streaming this so those around the world who don’t like us can use it for propaganda purposes doesn’t seem like a good idea.
Have they needed public executions for “propaganda purposes” to conduct terror all along? I don’t think so. Maybe it just might be a deterrent to future terrorism and treason.
So this is to be available to military personnel, not to the general public. But hey, it was just fine to show Charlie Kirk's assignation and that of the Ukrainian girl on the subway! So why is this narrow audience of the Military a bad thing. Deterrents serve as a warning of what not to do!
This is for our troops to see if they wish but not for public as a livestream as if casual entertainment. It will find its way to Youtube and every outlet that wants clicks. Public execution reflects poorly on our society and we are not at ISIS or feudal levels of morality where this is deemed required viewing. Life without parole is what he should get. No reprieve. We should operate at our moral standard not their's. To execute like this is to dirty oneself with their vile behavior towards ourselves. We are better than that.
The punishment for treason is death. Not life without parole. This is a military matter, not a civil crime. I won’t be watching, but it is absolutely nothing like what jihadis do to innocent civilians.
Bingo! It is that simple! A long established deterrent to attacking your fellow troops. Why do some people see this as wrong? It boggles the mind how many people side with out enemies and those who murder the innocent!
I take it one step further and cut his nuts off so he doesn’t get his 72 virgins. Let the Jihadis take a look at that on livestream.
Kids will see this in real time. It will be out there, but knowing that it is real time for our children seeing an execution is a rough image. For the military, it is suitable viewing and they may need to see this form of justice. For 10yr olds and such, they should not see this in real time.
Isn’t it the parents’ responsibility to control what their kids see? Did they see the poor girl get stabbed to death on the subway? Did they see Charlie Kirk get shot in real time? Do they watch violent shows or play violent video games?
You can pay for his room and board for life! I don't want that burden! I am a death penalty supporter and believe in deterrents. Each criminal makes a choice to commit a crime, why do you give them your empathy and extend them the grace of life, when they so eagerly take life from the innocent? What does that say about your loyalties and civil regard for your fellow citizen who follows the laws and honors their civil contract with their fellow humans?