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Laura Kasner's avatar

“And Offit hasn’t deleted their slurs or blocked them from continuing to comment.)”

Says a lot, doesn’t it.

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Jeff Johnson's avatar

Excellent point, absolutely.

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Janet's avatar
18hEdited

Maybe he’s too busy preening or collecting swag to read them. I’m giving a quick call to Karma.

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Rose's avatar

Might I have that Karma number? There is power in many (calls). Additionally, I might gift a thesaurus to each so they might post items that are "okayed" for prime-time TV.

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Janet's avatar

🤔. I got a busy signal. Back later.

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WayneBGood's avatar

Since he's not deleting anything I posted this:

Remember to watch VSRF Live tonight: Pregnancy, Pharmaceuticals and the Question of Risk, with Dr. Adam Urato, a board-certified obstetrician-gynecologist and maternal-fetal medicine physician with nearly 30 years of experience caring for pregnant women, including the most high-risk cases.

https://rumble.com/v7340k8-episode-208-pregnancy-pharmaceuticals-and-the-question-of-risk-with-dr.-ada.html

Steve Kirsch will probably comment on this back and forth either before or after the interview.

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Laura Kasner's avatar

👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

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Elizabeth Hart's avatar

It's startling to see the quality of 'debate' on Paul Offit's substack.

As you say Jenna "...just a torrent of abuse. Sexual slurs. Name-calling. Middle-school filth."

Seriously!!! This guy Offit has been influential on vaccination policy for years, and this is the standard of discussion he allows in his comments.

It's absolutely pathetic...

But devastating to think of how Offit has been a party to suppressing genuine discussion on vaccination policy and practice.

Now here we are - there's no authentic voluntary informed consent for vaccination, because the 'information' is so highly questionable, and voluntariness has been destroyed by pressure, coercion, manipulation and...MANDATES.

The medical profession went along with this, collaborated with this travesty.

It's a disaster.

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

You made several stunningly brilliant comments on that post! I was so happy to see it!👏👏👏

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Elizabeth Hart's avatar

Thanks Jenna, and for your participation, and for this timely expose.

Crikey, what a vipers' nest is the Offit substack...

It's mind-boggling to think of the damage Paul Offit and his cronies have done by deliberately inhibiting open discussion on vaccination policy for years and years.

And it means there is no authentic informed consent for vaccination...think about that...

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Elizabeth Hart's avatar

Jenna, re Offit, Also see this article: Debunking the Vaccine-Autism Link. Newsweek, Oct 24 2008, updated June 03 2010: https://www.newsweek.com/dr-paul-offit-debunking-vaccine-autism-link-91933

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Occam's avatar

Seems that Offit's using the No True Scotsman logical fallacy.

Only in our current clown world can people refuse to acknowledge actual science by ignoring actual science. And denigrating people that are reasonably requesting things like peer review, placebo trials, and even just providing proof that pharma inventions actually work.

On another note - those commenters seem nice. What a bunch of shitheads.

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MS's avatar

We call him All Profit

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Scott B Patchin's avatar

Kirsch would wipe the floor with Offit in a debate setting.

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Steve Kirsch's avatar

My objective in the debate is to find truth. If I'm wrong, Offit should show the mistake.

Not a single epidemiologist in the world has shown the error in the latest version of KCOR (which has been refined over the last few months).

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

If any of you have read any of Offit's Substack posts ("Beyond the Noise") and then deigned to politely and respectfully comment, you will find that his supporters or bots or maybe it's even Offit himself will attack you personally (and I mean VERY personally). Whoever it is will call you despicable names, try to find personal information about you, twist it, but "whoever it is" will never debate the merits of vaccinations. In one other disturbing element, I discovered that Paul Offit is following me on Substack! I'm not a scientist, I'm not a physician, I'm a former college history professor who reads widely and had a change of heart about the medical establishment since covid. I am not worth following, so it's a little creepy. So Offit won't debate and in his public comments about anyone who opposes vaccines, the only argument he's got is a logical fallacy: the ad hominem fallacy.

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Laura Kasner's avatar

Mary Ann - are you sure it’s really Offit following you?

I got all excited to see that Ed Dowd and Toby Rogers were following me until I realized it wasn’t really them.

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Keith Jajko's avatar

Indeed. I believe I have a few Musks following me. I never bother auditing the list, nor even looking at it. Bots will bot, human or otherwise. I choose to ignore.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

I can't be sure it's Offit himself, but if that person is hiding behind Offit that way, it's weird. I'm always puzzled when I am alerted that anyone on Substack is following me.

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Elizabeth Hart's avatar

I agree, it wouldn't surprise me if it's Offit himself behind the disgusting comments.

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David Nelson's avatar

...the WHICH of is WHY, Mary Ann, I am so PROUD of our BOLD ADVENTURESS mounting her steed and driving on over into the DEN to lay down some thoughtful questions to think about and, more importantly, coming back to us ALIVE! A little smoky, yes, a little warmed-up, maybe, but back. (She KNOWS I would not/could not do it for her and that any "final report" I submitted would be the stuff of fairy tales, but she would thank me anyway for my "bravery" in mounting a steed--and a pretense.) There are likely authentic minds over there that really ought to be hanging out somewhere else, but "how will they know, if no one go to them?"

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Vee's avatar

Ahhhh!! I had no idea that this was going on. Thanks for loopng us in Jenna. I need to go through the comments section to support you, Kirsch, and others with a friggin brain. From briefly going through the comments, I saw the word "whore" thrown out there multiple times so not a very promising productive exchange lol.

Everyone knows that Offit won't debate because he would lose. Peer reviewed data is not the gold standard, it's become a turd standard. The real data gold mine which Kirsch has been actively looking at is recent primary raw unadulterated data from governments around the world.

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Tim Pallies's avatar

If the the incredible level of censorship wasn't enough proof that the vaccines are trouble, the failure to do a simple comparison of all-cause mortality, vaxxed vs unvaxxed, should be all the proof any thinking adult could ever need.

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David O'Halloran's avatar

Strangely though in "Vaccine Love World", it isn't.

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Commoncents's avatar

Why debate for a million bucks when you can make hundreds of millions of dollars creating a bogus rotavirus vaccine Rota Teq. Debating for vaccines would only shine a light on his Franken science creation.

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Roberta Stack's avatar

So true!

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Garrett Connolly's avatar

Bot or not, one would not welcome support from Trump Dick Sucker, Vatnik-Rapist or Bobby's Worm. As weird as their unquestioning membership of the Church of Vaccinology.

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David O'Halloran's avatar

These accounts feel like "intelligence" assets to me. Probably London based "actors" designed to frighten off real debaters. I do not sense any real person behind these comments. Has the feel of war propaganda and black ops. The same flavor was apparent 28 years ago when Dr Wakefield was attacked and ruined.

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

I agree… But if that was my intent, I think I would work diligently at crafting more thoughtful rebuttals than “you are a repugnant whore.” 😂

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Keith Jajko's avatar

I keep waiting for "your mother was a hamster, and your father smells of elderberries." 🤣🤣🤣

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

😂

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Warrior Mom's avatar

LMFAO!!!

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David O'Halloran's avatar

Craft and diligence are not the stock in trade of propagandist.

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Teresa Parmenter's avatar

Great post. These people are pathetic. The name calling so unwarranted. Had no idea there’s so much hate out there. I’m truly sorry you were treated this way. You’re so strong Jenna - thank you 🙏🏻♥️

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

And you're so kind. Thank you. XOXO

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Marty Ellenbecker's avatar

Like SNL's Dan Aykroyd: “Jane, you ignorant slut.”?

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Elizabeth Hart's avatar

I wonder if the sock puppets are Offit himself... He is an unpleasant individual.

Here's a video depicting Paul Offit's response to Joshua Coleman's respectful request for an interview with the Vaxxed Bus, with Offit's response being: "Get outta here. Get the fuck outta here. I don’t want to talk to you. Alright." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5EDASGJsSY

Offit's response epitomises the arrogant and contemptuous attitude people face when they question vaccination policy and practice.

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

That really does tell you what you need to know, doesn’t it?

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Laura Kasner's avatar

Someone should post that link in a comment on his stack.

That video says it all.

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WayneBGood's avatar

That might be the one comment he bans! 🤣

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David O'Halloran's avatar

Polite camera guy. Offit, sadly, less so.

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David O'Halloran's avatar

Thanks for link, watching now.

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Phxrising8's avatar

You’re absolutely right - intel assets, propaganda. For anyone not familiar with Operation Mockingbird, do some research on that and much of what we experience daily will make more sense!

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David O'Halloran's avatar

I read the BBC each day just to see what the "intelligence" crowd in London want me to think.

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

Same and only reason I subscribe to the New York Times. They spoon feed me fodder!

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David Nelson's avatar

AIsez: [grok]

"𝗢𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗠𝗼𝗰𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴𝗯𝗶𝗿𝗱 was a covert CIA program that ran primarily during the Cold War (1950s–1970s) aimed at influencing and infiltrating U.S. media organizations to shape public opinion, spread propaganda, and counter Soviet influence."

"Allen Dulles, CIA Director, OVERSAW ITS EXPANSION." [my emph. #iamnotgrok]

What it did:

* Paid journalists to write articles or provide information.

* Funded front organizations (e.g., the National Student Association).

* Provided classified information to friendly reporters.

* Influenced editorial decisions through relationships with media executives.

Grok notes:

"The CIA did not control entire newsrooms or dictate daily coverage. Instead, it cultivated relationships and influenced specific stories or narratives." [too expensive; not really necessary: a few sellouts here, a few there]

"After the [Senator] Church Committee hearings and public outrage, the CIA agreed to end the practice of paying journalists for propaganda purposes. A 1977 CIA directive banned such relationships, though critics argue informal influence may have continued."

Isez:

Since that time, the CIA greatly reduced the number of public admissions to domestic operations aimed at perverting the U.S. Constitution.

Also there is no evidence the CIA influences what appears in peer-reviewed medical journals, although they emphasize they 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 if they wanted to and there 𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘭𝘭 would be no evidence just like now.

Since the CIA's exit, media journalists reverted to selling out to their biggest advertising clients.

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Jake B's avatar

With the advent of accessible AI/LLM content, it's possible these kinds of rude, nutty troll responses might be (soon) flowing from AI services en masse, with fewer and fewer humans in the shadows consciously spewing forth these ridiculous insults.

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

Probably more than possible. Also terrifying.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

Thank you, Jenna, for taking the time to write about Offit's unwillingness to debate and the filth that his commentators express. It's truly shocking. It was time that someone exposed all this.

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

if being called a filthy repugnant whore multiple times is what it takes, sign me up!😂

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

The last time I commented on Offit's Substack, someone replied with a comment about my husband! Last summer I was also called a "filthy repugnant whore." Such a ridiculous comment when the topic is vaccines!

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

That’s actually a little bit scary🙈

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Keith Jajko's avatar

Dayyum ... I feel left out not being called a filthy repugnant whore. Maybe I gotta try harder and get more involved. 😂✌️🤎🤙

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

For a while I was actually insulted that my social media accounts hadn’t gotten shut down… And then they got shut down.😂

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

All you have to do is ask an innocent question about vaccine safety and efficacy, and you too can become a member of the Filthy Repugnant Whore Club. 🤣

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Keith Jajko's avatar

Well then, guess I'm already a member. Their AI prompts prolly haven't found me yet. 😂😂😂

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

A select group, for sure! Especially since your first name is Keith!

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Dr. Raleigh Phillips's avatar

I’ve posted this before; “You want the truth you can’t handle the truth “ also “the truth is out there.” Keep up the great fight!

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Eva Gyllo's avatar

I have mentioned this before; if the vaccines are as good as the manufacturers claim, they would be jubilant to have it retested again, their point would be made! The fact that they do NOT want further trials/tests indicates that they are hiding negative outcomes of which they are very well aware.

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Abuelo Doug's avatar

And if they are that good, let's remove the liability protections the vax manufacturers have enjoyed since 1986.

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Steven Bradford's avatar

You have to assume Offit is being paid by big pharma, as are many of his peers. His paymasters would never allow him to participate in a real debate on this subject for many reasons, first of which would be exposure of the cover up and the revelation that the entire vaccine medical establishment is corrupt. If going along to get along is what keeps the grant money coming, that’s what they do.

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Jpeach's avatar

100%! Follow the money (used as a carrot or a stick) and you will discover the incentive behind Offit’s despicable behavior. Those with big egos are so easy to compromise.

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David O'Halloran's avatar

Well written piece Jenna. Thanks. I also wondered why those nasty comments have not been deleted. Did Dr Paul Offit even write that piece? It reminded me a bit of Kerry trying to defined censorship a bit before the Democrats lost the Presidential election. It would not surprise me if the Offit piece was really written by "intelligence" assets in order to smoke out the thought leaders of the anti vaccine commentariat. I still find it odd to be attacked, shunned, shamed, and insulted for the heinous rime of NOT wanting to inject myself with experimental drugs. Refusing untested experimental mandated drugs is a moral crime?! When did that become the consensus? It almost feels to me as if these vaccine zealots would be the first to defend the ugly sisters as treated disrespectfully by the gold digging cinders. They appear to me to have their "ethics" 180 degrees the wrong way about.

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

I appreciate this comment as well as your support over in enemy territory!😊😂

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David O'Halloran's avatar

Happy to man the tail gun Jenna while you pilot the bomber. We must know we are deep in enemy territory right over the target.

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

Why did that make me get almost teary-eyed???

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Janet's avatar

The third biggest lie of Covid is “me, myself and I are not protected after my vaccination until you are vaccinated”. Already admits the jabs don’t work. Brownstone has good pieces on these lies recently.

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David O'Halloran's avatar

Yes indeed. This was a central theme of the vaccine propaganda. It felt to me like an attack upon my existence. I was an unclean, selfish, freeloading, coward, who did not want to "do what it takes" to "get back to normal". That was what my "friends'' told me. I told them they were brainwashed idiots drinking cool aid in Jonestown and if they did not wake up pronto it would be too late.

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Janet's avatar

Yes. As I’ve read before, we know now who would have sent us to the boxcars and camps. Right?

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Warrior Mom's avatar

best retort to that non-logic I heard was: swap out 'birth control' for jabs. hey, its a medical intervention as well, so why not?!

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Tonya's avatar

Speaking of ethics, I heard of at least two professors of medical ethics (one in Canada, one in the U.S.) who were fired for taking the position that mandates for medical interventions were unethical.

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Warrior Mom's avatar

not to mention the fact that Fauci's wife, Christine O'Grady, used to be the head of ethics (!!!!) for the NIH. she resigned before Bobby could kick her ass out the door. I remember reading part of a piece she wrote in which she said (synopsizing): since the doctor is always the smarter person in the room, the doctor/patient relationship can't be an equal partnership. it was the most arrogant thing I think I ever heard!

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Jeff Johnson's avatar

This is so expectedly typical of the left, literally NOTHING of substance to offer for what they claim, and if you disagree even a little, they'll shout you down, curse you to ends of the earth, somehow thinking they're on the moral high ground in doing so. This is their sacrosanct script.

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

I meant to check ‘his paymasters won’t let him’, but he knows he’ll lose works.

Jenna, you rocked this, as usual.

RFK, Jr. needs to hire you as his anti-vaxxer (PRO-researcher) PR champ.

“Dr.” Paul PROFIT and his sidekick, equally not inclined to debate Steve Kirsch or anyone over 4th grade, “Dr.” Peter Hotez, need to look for us to steamroll their weak amd weary vaccine mantras.

Welcome to the Hotez California, a strictly FOR PR-OFFIT suite. You can check out anytime you like but you can never leave.

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

MIC DROP!!! 😂

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Warrior Mom's avatar

good one! I love warped song lyrics!

but a I like to call him: Hotez, rhymes with kotex

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

😝😝😝 Perfect! Henceforth, I’m calling him Kotex!

Ironically, he has an autistic daughter.

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Warrior Mom's avatar

I know he does. and he admitted on Rogan that he feeds her junk food and they never exercise. shocker, right?!

I truely feel so sorry for all the kids/young adults with autism out there whose parents are in total denial and do zilch to actually help them :( :( (pharma drugs to control 'behaviors' do NOT count, of course!)

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Mick's avatar

Perhaps the only good thing to come out of the Covid “dempanic” is we found out that our government and its cohorts will and do lie to us. We thought only communist governments did that!

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