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David Nelson's avatar

"More than 250 journalists not only planned to boycott the dinner itself, but to be on site to “forcefully demonstrate opposition” to President Trump and “ensure he doesn’t feel welcome.”

Ahhh, nothing expresses "total lack of bias", "basic fairness", and "dispassionate neutrality" quite so well as "forceful opposition." Bless the little spots where their hearts used to be.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

Excellent point.

“I’m taking MY toys and I’M going HOME!” Grown journalist crosses arms over chest and sticks out lower lip.

CraigN's avatar

Those 250 probably weren't invited and they had to have their toddler tantrum.

Rosemary B's avatar

100%.

A bunch of shitheads

David Nelson's avatar

Journalists ought to be able to get over the fact that Donald Trump does not like them for his perception of how unfairly they have covered him, compared to how they've covered his opponents, WITHOUT outright tipping their own "opposition!" I sat for one moment to think of whom I thought would make an IDEAL journalist, and IMMEDIATELY thought of...

...Ronald Reagan.

Reagan was OPPOSED to Tip O'Neil and Mikhail Gorbachev (of Ukrainian descent for whatever that's worth), but when they took swings at him, he joked about it, often admitting to grains of truth in them, while never losing focus. He WON people over. Rather than sit there whining that Trump (who can't) is not doing the same for them, THEY should be adopting Reagan's tactics and WINNING TRUMP OVER with their ability to take some hits jovially and stay-on-message.

Too bad they are joyless simps.

Occam's avatar

Boom. This is it.

And it's not even the worst thing - the worst thing is that the MSM (and pretty much all of the rest of the left) is allowed to get away with this complete abdication of their responsibilities and to continue telling us the sky is green when it's clearly blue.

AJoy's avatar

Absolutely 💯

Bridget's avatar

you make a fine point

AJoy's avatar

They should all be ashamed of their sick selves.

Tonee norman's avatar

Nice to see you back,David. Did you miss us? Did you suffer much?

David Nelson's avatar

Thank you, Tonee. For the first question, yesalot and notnearlyenough. For the second, notnearlyenough but yesalot. It's good to see yours and all the other fine names here again.

Tonee norman's avatar

Awww,good to hear we were missed. sorry to hear you think you should’ve suffered more… my guess is you are mistaken on THAT, friend.

🌱Nard🙏's avatar

Can we say both legit and staged? Legit in the sense that yes, someone intended to kill the president. And staged in the sense that SOMEONE used yet another unhinged patsy to assassinate the president? Thats my vote. He tried. He failed. He did NOT act alone.

KatWarrior's avatar

I have been reticent to comment because this is all so crazy! I think this is the correct assumption, Nard! Legit and staged.

No doubt in my mind that the crazies want Trump gone/dead/taken out.

I think I will bury my head and keep reading Jenna and Pierre’s book, The War on Chlorine Dioxide. When I finish that, I have Dirt to Soil (regenerative agriculture) to “dig” into! Seems way more productive use of my brain wave activity.

Rosemary B's avatar

absolutely.

Keep busy. I am not wasting any of my days remaining in this mentally deranged circus.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

Isn’t the book fabulous? Highly recommend!

KatWarrior's avatar

Yes! So readable and highly entertaining! I knew quite a bit about the various players, but not in this detail.

Frightening to imagine having your freaking life threatened. I believe Dr Kory was indeed poisoned.

I pray for everyone doing God’s work. 🙏❤️

Justin's avatar

I wonder if he was the distraction for 1 or more other shooters already in place.

KatWarrior's avatar

Possibly. If anyone is unsure that Trump is a disruptor, then please respond. What do I actually know? Not much, but Trump isn’t what “those in charge” want fecking around with their very calculated world.

Donzel W's avatar

Gabe Brown's book is the work of a hero. You'll love it!!

KatWarrior's avatar

Omg 😱. Thank you, Donzel! You read it! Can't wait to curl up and dig into it.

Juju's avatar

The disgruntled entertainers and “journalists” had more motive to disrupt the public spanking, er, dinner, than the president had to refocus anything. Trump already had the courts clearing the way for the ballroom. Trump is already brilliantly handling Iran. Trump doesn’t give diddly squat over public approval when he’s doing what needs to be done and he knows he’s right. He’s not worried about his re-election. He’s free. He really had no need to stage any event. I think he felt a bit robbed of what he wanted the night to be. LOL.

No, the only people in this drama that have clear, logical motives to “stage” anything are the certifiably insane democrats. If it were staged by them, they thought they’d hit two birds with one stone: prevent their public humiliation and Trump looking funny and likable, and get rid of him and some of his successors. However if the latter was the primary goal the guy would have had a bomb strapped to him. So I think they cared more about disruption, and if he got lucky and took out a member of the cabinet or two then great. If a few innocent liberal journos got whacked in the mayhem, well gotta break a few eggs ya know …

FLGenX's avatar

Yep! I mean, a mentalist was there for crying out loud LOL - magic! The main part of this psyop that maybe didn’t fail was instilling fear in the very Press that agitates the extremists.

Dena's avatar

There is no shortage of indoctrinated fools out there willing to believe the democrat & msm TDS lies about Trump & his administration. Some are narcissists who see themselves as the hero who’ll bring down this “facist administration- you know, the one who’ll throw all transgenders in prison. The dem politicians who continue to lie about POTUS are deliberately doing so in hopes some dope will take them seriously enough to play the hero.

Tonee norman's avatar

That’s why I voted “combo “… It is totally ludicrous that there was a “hole” that guy could sprint through. Good grief,some velvet theatre rope could have done a better job… When you think about the absurd stories we are told ,like in Pennsylvania,”the roof was too steep to post agents”, then,we see photos of the agents standing perfectly straight, over the dead guy…it really does seem like “the whole world’s a stage”…sigh…

Heather B's avatar

One of the tapes I saw showed the agents reacting to the shooter and they really took their time firing plus they had convienently left a huge gap for him to run through in the first place. What I see as "coincidental" in these attempts on President Trump's life are security breaches. The Secret Service should have secured the roof in Butler, should have secured the golf course perameter, and should have secured the entrance to the stairwell at the dinner. Highly suspicious, and suggests inside knowledge too. I think the Secret Service needs investigating.

Mary Ann Caton's avatar

Jeff Childers agrees with you on that. As do I. How does it happen that in all 3 "incidents " (as the NYT would have it) there are open avenues for these would-be assassins? Yes, the SS must be investigated.

Janet's avatar

Exactly. Someone is giving security plans to others. Not so hard to believe that.

Roberta Stack's avatar

I agree and when I saw the SS agent jump out of the way of the assailant and then pull his weapon, it made me think, why didn’t he tackle him then? Too much of a clear path for him to run. Just glad everyone is ok, besides the PTSD that I’m sure is in everyone’s mind.

Farmer Liz's avatar

Actually, I believe that agent was shot… not jumping out of the way. His vest absorbed the bullet and I heard that he is okay.

Laura Cornwell's avatar

The sad part is— the shooter fired one shot and it was a dead hit. The SS or whoever was lollygagging around the lobby fired five shots and not hits. Sad, that. Security heads need to, figuratively, roll.

Karen Bandy's avatar

I read that his sister had inside knowledge and motive. Maybe that was yesterday in C&C?

I want to know how he secured a hotel room at such a late date.

Yesterday I said ‘inside job’.

Or maybe he’s just a nut job … after reading Jeff’s take on the manifesto today. I don’t know.

One of my biggest worries is that in the last few years people actually cheer about assassinations and attempts. What kind of people are they? Just think, you’re working out next to them at the gym or standing in line at the grocery store next to them later today.

Have these people actually ever seen a bullet rip through someone’s head, let alone a severe beating? Talk about PTSD.

Do they even care about the father who was killed instead of Trump in Butler? Yet they cheer for more if it will take out Trump.

Heather B's avatar

One of the more unnerving aspects for sure was to find out that people I thought I knew turned out to cheer for murder! Throngs of them on X lamenting that the shooter missed. Scary that they have no shame doing this.

AJoy's avatar

People are really sick and demented. They would no longer be in my circle.

Heather B's avatar

The ones I spoke of are not. Unfollowed all of them.

Karen Bandy's avatar

It’s shocking really, we know them, were once friends with them or at least casual acquaintances.

AJoy's avatar

Yup and this is why people suck and I prefer animals and I stay away from crowded venues etc. The hate for this POTUS is unpalatable to me. I did not agree with nor like the previous administrations. To think a person thinks it’s their duty to eliminate a duly elected (or not) POTUS who they believe is a bunch of MSM nasty adjectives, should be jailed for life.

Demonhype's avatar

They likely think that guy deserves to die for being at a Trump rally in the first place. Like this guy didn't completely rule out shooting guests as they had "chosen" to be in the same room as Trump.

Demonhype's avatar

They likely think that guy deserves to die for being at a Trump rally in the first place. Like this guy didn't completely rule out shooting guests as they had "chosen" to be in the same room as Trump.

Erika's avatar

I disagree about the slow reaction times of security. Someone calculated it out and the first shots fired by security were within about 2 seconds of the man becoming visible from around the curve. That’s not a slow reaction. I also think a lot of people don’t realize that in a security situation like that that the security team takes a step back (or to the side) and kind of scatter to cover more area, avoid friendly fire, and get a better visual as well as stay apart so they aren’t all taken out at once. One reason not to launch yourself on an enemy or empty your gun on one in a situation like this would be the fear of an explosive that would have possibly put POTUS & everyone in even more danger. I mean, there was a gap in the security, obviously. But I hesitate to throw all of the Secret Service, DCPD, Sheriff Dept people, etc under the bus and condemn their training or suitability. I think maybe investigating the team for ties is a smart idea, although theoretically they would have already had some pretty extensive background checks just to be there. But, maybe I bleed blue because I worked with a LOT of cops as a Forensic Biologist. IDK

Dena's avatar

Dan Bongino gave a good account of the security situation on his podcast.

Mehitabel's avatar

Slow response. That was my reaction too. It looked like a full 6 sec at least after the guy ran past before the agents started running after him. 6 sec doesn’t sound like much but these are supposed to be elite security personnel.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

I believe it was a legit assassination attempt. No one is going to go to jail so Trump can have his ballroom without opposition, nor is anyone willing to risk prolonged jail time for the sole purpose of some momentary Press-Trump Peace Treaty. And who would risk being shot or imprisoned simply to take the spotlight off the war? None of these suggested outcomes are worth the humiliation, let alone a lifetime of being unable to get a job on a garbage truck.

Trump doesn’t care what people think of the ballroom. He’s doing it, and it’ll be a big, beautiful ballroom, and he doesn’t care one whit if some people are still whining abt it. He doesn’t really much care whether the press is good to him or they aren’t. And I don’t think one cell in his orange body wants to take the focus off the war. He’s pretty delighted with the outcome thus far, and he thinks (or knows) that eventually the rest of us will become delighted with it as well. That’s his whole thing! He’s doing A, B, C. Get on board or not. If you don’t see how fabulous it is RN, eventually you will become a fan. If not, you’re a “stupid person”. We’ve seen this play out 1000x. Funny thing is, he’s been right enough times that it’s hard to bet against him.

The look on Trump’s face when they were telling him he needed to skedaddle was, “What are you saying? Does not compute”, for several beats — well after Melania’s face clearly showed she had a good grasp on the shituation. Hers was a look of sheer terror, followed by, “Damn, I’m going to have to listen to him practice his lines for another week”, followed by, wondering whether she can get away with wearing the same dress next go-around.

Legit assassination, sad but true. Ironically, I blame the lying, pot-stirring press.

SteveO's avatar

Perfectly written.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

Wow! Thx.

Mike Lee's avatar

Thanks for injecting some thought out common sense 👍

AJoy's avatar

The press as well as dem politicians, I can think of a bunch over the years inciting violence. Despicable really.

Kathleen Oliver's avatar

Both a legit attack and a security fail. Did we learn nothing from the Las Vegas shooting? I mean...if planning an assault, just check in and load unsearched bags on a dolly and bring your arsenal up to your room and bingo...just wait for your event to begin. Lesson? Events in or near hotels are very problematic for security. And yes..thank you Federman and Mr Trump for mentioning that a solution is under construction right now. Come on lefties, get on board with the ballroom!

Frontera Lupita's avatar

The “Las Vegas Shooting” was just another giant False Flag event. There is SOO much about that ‘event’ that doesn’t at all add up. Starting with the Local Authorities ‘story’ on up to the FBI!

Dr. Molly Rutherford's avatar

The end goal of the globalists (Obama told us) is to confuse us to a point where we don't know what to believe. Seems crystal clear to me. Unhinged, brainwashed, vaxed and boosted leftist meets incompetent DEI hire infested Secret service. But, nothing would surprise me.

Janet's avatar

Yes. That’s the plan but not convinced it’s just the left.

Dr. Molly Rutherford's avatar

Agree. It is the globalists. The elite.

Ginny Moore's avatar

I’m finding it more difficult every day to believe anything that happens “out there”. Thank God for you and Jeff Childers. You da angry peach MVP. 🤬🍑😘❤️

Meddling Kid's avatar

Teacher. California. There’s two strikes right there. I can almost hear his students saying “Oh, yeah, I can see him doing that. Mr. Allen was nuts.”

Bridget's avatar

(buries self deeper under sand)

Bridget's avatar

I was wondering who that was! 🤣

Juju's avatar

Coughing with laughter 🤣

Rosemary B's avatar

oh, hey.

lemon shortbread cookie? <holds out plate>

Juju's avatar

<spits sand out of mouth to accept cookie> Thanks!

Bridget's avatar

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Judith's avatar

Maybe (hopefully) now after having lived through the experience of an armed shooter the media and politicians attending will pay more attention to the children who live in this fear every day at school. I pray they can greatly tone down the hate they spew.

John Wright's avatar

And for tonight's entertainment we have....

... yet another lone gunman.

May all your muggings be “pleasant mugging”s. 🤣

Crash Pile's avatar

Only pleasant muggings are allowed in the community enjoying the warm embrace of socialism. What’s more pleasing than sharing, albeit sometimes involuntarily or unexpectedly?

John Wright's avatar

Excellent point! In our current society we do get "mugged" daily! But they are so sweet about it and call it inflation, property taxes, income tax, etc.

Doug's avatar

Remember, you will own nothing, you will eat ze bugs, and most importantly, you'll like it!

Tim Pallies's avatar

Another great post, Jenna, although I do take issue with one sentence:

"To be fair, when it mattered most, at least one agent did what you want every single one of them ready to do—threw his entire body between the threat and the target"

I realize that I'll be the odd man out here, but while I value the president's life, I don't value it more than the life of one of the agents protecting him.

Jenna McCarthy's avatar

I actually don’t disagree with you—no one’s life is “worth more” than anyone else’s. But that’s also the job he signed up for. The whole premise of that role is, essentially, “if things go sideways, you become the shield.” It’s not because the person being protected is more valuable—it’s because the mission is. Same logic as a soldier jumping on a grenade: it's not a value judgment, it's a job description.

David Nelson's avatar

Here's an uberrare opportunity to disagree with you both... :^) The president of the United States' life can at least be argued--and measured--to be "worth" more than mine in at least the sense that its "loss" will "cost" a "larger" group of people "more."

And Jenna, although I'd rather kick my own hiney with both feet than say this, I don't think it's quite accurate to say that a soldier's "job description" _includes_ sacrificing himself for his fellows: the evidence I offer is the phrase "above and beyond the call of duty", having to be created to single out how relatively rare--and yet how surprisingly often--it occurs.

For the Secret Service, yes, their job description no doubt includes "becoming the shield," but let us never--and I do not say you did or do--take our eyes off the selflessness of those, very personal, acts of agents who do take a round as happened the other night, by reassuring ourselves, as many of us sometimes do and some of us always do with our all-volunteer military, that that's what they were being paid for. Let us rather thank them, Secret Service and soldiers, not just for what they do for our country, but for what they do for our humanity. God bless their hearts.

Offered with my utmost respect for you both.

Meddling Kid's avatar

In response to all of your great comments, let’s break it down a bit.

Soldiers are not required to sacrifice their lives for their fellow soldiers, aka jump on the grenade.

They ARE trained in unit cohesion, completion of the mission, and destroying the enemy, but sometimes the unit cohesion forms such strong bonds that they VOLUNTARILY put themselves in greater danger for their friend’s sake.

But sometimes the mission is to rescue a captured or lost soldier, and then the risk of your own life becomes greater than the normal combat because now you are behind enemy lines with minimal support. This too is often voluntary but brings potential unforeseen risks.

Let me briefly thrown in domestic policemen. While many are good and brave, nothing in their job description requires them to lay down their lives for others. They are called to stop crime in progress, but much more often just to document and investigate crime that already happened.

For both of these, when a soldier (or policeman) acts “above and beyond” their duty, there is often a medal awarded. Unlike the medals and trophies 8 year olds get for soccer, these are rare and well-deserved.

Secret service is a whole different animal. When on presidential security detail, their whole job is NOT to kill would be presidential assassins. Their whole job is to protect the president by ANY MEANS NECESSARY. If that means by taking a bullet meant for him like they did with Reagan, that is the proper execution of their purpose. Naturally if they could detect and stop the guy at the gates before he got a shot off, that’s even better, but at the end of the day, having a leader with no additional holes is the mission, regardless of their own safety. If secret service takes a bullet for the president, it’s not technically medal-worthy, it’s their job. If you step aside and let the president get shot (or duck and protect your own arse, as happened in Butler), you deserve to be fired on the spot and banned from and federal employment.

None of any of this has any bearing on whose life is more valuable, since value is subjective. To God, we are equal. To man, it depends on what you represent to us.

Jim Moore's avatar

Yes, ☝🏼THAT 💯. The sheep dog’s purpose is to protect the sheep from the wolves. And—a fact of life—although all lives truly matter, some lives are more valuable than others. (Edited to add: For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost. Luke 19:10)

Mike Perceval's avatar

Well said David, you are a voice of sound reason… May the Lord bring forth abundant fruit from that gift, as well as any others you are blessed with in these bizarre days.

Graphite's avatar

The mission is to save the life of THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES - It doesn't matter who that person happens to be. POTUS is more important than a member of the security team!

Tim Pallies's avatar

I absolutely agree that “It doesn't matter who that person happens to be.” I’m having a harder time with “POTUS is more important than a member of the security team!”

I am hard pressed to think of a president worth dying for without going back to Reagan or Carter. Don’t get me wrong. I wish every person a long and healthy life, but I would never offer up my son or daughter (or yours) to make that happen.

Frankly, if they are that important, perhaps they should stay safely in the White House.

As I said in my original post, “I realize that I'll be the odd man out here.”

Erika's avatar

Like MK said though, for the Secret Service, their entire mission when on POTUS detail is to keep the President alive. Period. Sometimes that means someone takes a bullet for him. Not necessarily because their life is worth ‘less’, but because their sphere of influence/importance is below that of POTUS. Having an assassinated President is kind of an international sign of weakness because it proves that despite whatever military and political might our country has, someone was able to infiltrate and eliminate our Head of State. Similar to what happened in Venezuela and even kind of Iran. When another country comes in and eliminates your Head of State (in one way or another) that’s a big f-u to your country. That’s kind of a checkmate on the chessboard of politics. Yeah, you can move other pieces here and there and cause some damage to your opponent, but when your own Head of State is taken out of play, you’ve been shown to be weak and ineffective to your own people, the world, and most especially the enemy that completed the task. One reason Iran hasn’t caved and reset is that they have a LOT of hate and many people willing to shuffle the pieces and let themselves be sacrificed in the name of the State. The way their government is set up they have multiple Queens (to further the chess metaphor) so eliminating just one won’t end the game or chronically expose the King. At least that’s my imperfect understanding of the situation.

Jim Moore's avatar

Two things:

One, wake up, people. Please. What’s happening is not theater. A bloody revolution to “fundamentally transform(ing) the USA” (Obama, 2008) is long underway. It’s going to get much worse by November. DNC leadership/Marxists (I repeat myself) fully programmed and activated their lunatic, deadly foot soldiers in the streets.

Disbelief about this being a war for the nation’s survival during its 250th year of existence —that what we’re witnessing is maybe not real—only serves to facilitate the collapse of civil society and freedom.

Two, good that Trump had opportunity to destroy CBS stooge Norah (not Rosie-level TDS but close) O’Donnell on 60 Minutes last night for perpetuating lies about his character. 👇🏼

Said Trump when she read a CTA manifesto excerpt maliciously describing him as a “rapist, pedophile,” etc.:

“I was waiting for you to read that. You’re horrible people. You shouldn’t be reading that on 60 Minutes. You’re a disgrace.“

His delicious clapback begins at the 55 seconds mark.

https://youtu.be/Y7_Wi0RIAEg

Jenna McCarthy's avatar

They really are horrible. And yes, WAKE UP!!!

John Wright's avatar

Well, the agent was wearing armor. Which makes me wonder how often a president wears body armor? Seems like it would be appropriate attire for any high profile target.

KC & the Sunshine's avatar

I noticed the other night that Trump looked more buff than usual. His jacket was of course, very well tailored but he was definitely wider in the shoulders and such. I feel fairly sure he had on a bullet proof vest and more, which they’d be stupid not to have him wear as much as vanity allows.

John Wright's avatar

Yes, I'm willing to bet a lot of the "look" where he looks overweight is partially due to wearing body armor. Otherwise I can't imagine any excuse for such poor tailoring for someone with such wealth and position. Cripes, I have better suits!

Janet's avatar

Unless they aim for his head. That’s what the leftists want. Hmmmm. They tried that first. If you don’t…………

John Wright's avatar

Smaller target.... except perhaps for Trump. He does have a rather large ego. 😇

CatsRtheBest's avatar

It’s their job! It’s why they exist! Please don’t let touchy feely values obscure that fact.

Tim Pallies's avatar

I'm framing your reply! I've been called a few things over the years, (often deservedly so), but never touchy feely. Thanks!! 😂

CatsRtheBest's avatar

LingOL I'm glad to add to your wall! Have a good one, Tim!

Jenna McCarthy's avatar

LingOL THO 😂👏😘

KBB's avatar

The Free Press has a column by Suzy Weiss (sister of Bari) about how impressed she was by the unapologetically masculine reaction by many of the men in the audience. It's behind a paywall, but here's a key paragraph:

"RFK Jr. sat upright in his chair nearly the whole time; ditto Senator John Fetterman. CBS correspondent Matt Gutman was torquing around tables, iPhone in hand, trying to capture the action as it happened. Andrew Harnik, a Getty Images photographer, didn’t bother to put down his bourbon as he snapped pictures of the scene. Dan Scavino, deputy chief of staff in the White House, was bounding over chairs in his dress shoes, then leading a chant of “USA.” Dana White, the head of the UFC, looked like he was at one of his fights, hands clasped as the men in the bulletproof vests got the administration officials to safety before locking down the room. “They were screaming ‘get down.’ I didn’t get down,” White said in a video captured after the fact. “It was fucking awesome.” Many actual veterans, not to mention veteran journalists who’d covered wars, sprung into action, whether pushing tushes under seats, recording what was happening, or simply creating a sense, with their mien, that things were totally under control. I lost count of the number of times I heard about “vehicles” coming and going, the security-minded man’s term of endearment for cars."

Joe's avatar

Job or not - we could argue. We act according to our internal code. Some run others do not. Here is a nod to those who do not. A life is a life. Lets hope none of us have to make the decision. Ever.

Jpeach's avatar

Here is a quote that I’m trying to paraphrase “When you come for the King you better not miss”. Trump wins again. The Marxist/Islamic/Globalist Cabal loses again.

Dan McCarthy's avatar

I'm still waiting for the full investigation into Butler. In the meantime, I guess we *will* be getting the new ballroom...

ELKFLA's avatar

This isn't a security fail. A security fail is when the principle is injured or killed. An active threat presented itself, security reacted, the threat was neutralized quickly. That's how its supposed to work.

In a public place like a hotel, you can only block off what you can. They can't close the lobby. Guests can be advised that access to parts of it will be restricted or forbidden, but its not just a lobby; its also a designated fire/emergency exit. They can't search the occupied rooms. They can't search the guests or their luggage without probable cause. They can't lock the doors to the stairs.

There is a lot of "should have" armchair quarterbacking going on. There should have been metal detectors, more stringent scrutiny of the ID and invites of everyone coming in, check lists of attendees...and how would that have been reported? "Chilling". "Gestapo-like". "Expression of Trump's facist aspirations". Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Jenna McCarthy's avatar

Really excellent points, ELKFLA! The one point I'll argue is that security were apparently in the process of DISMANTLING that particular chokehold because "the president was already inside." Um, he's still vulnerable--as is everyone else in there!!!

ELKFLA's avatar

True, but that particular "chokehold" was a specific use area that had been configured to be a temporary secure check point area for guests entering the event. After the event starts, security closes the area as an entry point and consolidates as an outer defensive perimeter. The same level of security would be there. Was it easier for the threat to have run by the outer security perimeter during the transition? Yeah, maybe. But, the situation was handled by the book. The inner security team neutralized the threat.

I'm not saying that everything was perfect or that there are not lessons to be learned, but human behavior, especially mentally disturbed behavior, is the ultimate uncontrollable variable. There is no such thing as perfectly secure against a determined enemy. You can only secure against what you can anticipate. Anything outside of that is purely defensive.

Marlene Swann's avatar

This is the most troubling statement today, Jenna:

“Because as soon as a shooter appeared, the story was no longer about Trump versus the media. It wasn’t about Epstein or boycotts or who embarrassed whom. It was about survival. It was about heroes. It was about the need for secure event sites. It was, essentially, about exactly the things Trump wants it to be about.”

I just wonder am I that naive that it’s hard to wrap my head around that a real possibility of staging - or even just using , perhaps, a potentially horrific event to advance your objective - happens routinely? I can’t believe it could be either of these. But - could it? Really? Let’s just fast forward to losing the mid terms, two years of political hell and then the shining 2028 election. I’m so tired of all this.

Jenna McCarthy's avatar

Again, I can't confidently say that it was staged for this end--or that it wasn't. But there's no doubt in my mind that your second point--using a horrific event to advance an objective--is ABSOLUTELY happening. That part seems undeniable to me. :(

Juju's avatar
Apr 27Edited

But what if it’s logical progression of thought? What if no matter how hard you try, an event at a hotel proves it’s not secure enough AND that the ballroom is needed. It would be silly to think you’re not allowed to point that out after an event like this. Everything doesn’t have to be disingenuous or political. Sometimes the truth just slaps us in the face with ease. Not liking that truth (speaking of the democrats) doesn’t make it staged OR an abuse of press coverage to state the obvious.

Katherine A. Ranft's avatar

I completely agree Juju. The ballroom construction was halted by a lawsuit and Trump has been trying to get it built for the prevention of just such a horror that happened on Saturday night. The democrats have a credo - “never let a crisis go to waste.” But, as far as I could tell, they created crises and then charged in with a solution. This is different. I liken it to what happens routinely in life. Prevention is used less frequently than action taken after a tragedy or failure of safety measure or skewed priorities or incompetency. There are dozens of examples. Trump, in my view, is a forward thinker. As someone aptly stated on here, Trump has been right about so many things that it is hard to not bet on him. The ballroom needs to be built and something bad had to happen to perhaps get that stupid lawsuit dropped.