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Stone Bryson's avatar

I know we've all joked about TDS, but the last year has shown us it's no longer funny; these people have a legitimate mental illness, are a danger to themselves and others, and honestly should be institutionalized... forcefully, if needed.

And EVERYONE should be subscribing to your Substack, so you skewed your own poll 😉

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

🤣🩷

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KatWarrior's avatar

This was a tough read this morning. Thank you, Jenna for doing the dirty work that I cannot and will never do.

TDS used to perplex, bewilder, cause outbursts of spontaneous laughter, but it’s moved to, me thinks these folks are insane.

Our son was vaccine injured and I now know more because of this information being released.

These lunatics are demonic. Full stop.

I stand with Toby Rogers. I am a vaccine abolitionist.

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

Pls do a serious heavy metal detox of you haven’t already done so. It’s been know

to help legions of autistic

kids and adults.

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KatWarrior's avatar

Yes, thanks KC. ADHD with all of it’s nastiness is his injury. The drugs we believed would help clearly made the situation worse.

Diet, detox, drug-free (3 plus years) and thanking God that he is an athlete! Let’s say that Michael Phelps was a tremendous inspiration. The pool has been a blessing throughout his life.

He is very fortunate to be off the medically approved meth!

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Warrior Mom's avatar

and treat gut dysbiosis :)

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Frontera Lupita's avatar

Because EVERYTHING regardless of a persons age or health status it all begins in the gut. A ‘healthy gut’ is The Key!

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Warrior Mom's avatar

100%!!

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Warrior Mom's avatar

(god bless Toby Rogers!)

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Annie's avatar

Liberalism is a disease. I thought I was beyond being shocked by anything these loony lib women do. Apparently they have lower depths of depravity than I gave them credit for. I told my son and all his buddies to avoid lib women. They are not wife and mother material. Their feelings/politics/agenda comes 1st with them.

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BertPE's avatar

Let’s start with some congressional reps first. We get 2 birds with one stone that way - pushers and haters.

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Tim Pallies's avatar

My head didn't explode until I read this: "even Tylenol says you shouldn’t take Tylenol when you’re pregnant." It's a strange cult.

I prayed for the one hospitalized.

As I consider this further, I have to wonder, are these tik tok warriors committing child abuse?

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Sheila's avatar

Yes they absolutely are!!! And they should be prosecuted for it.

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Annie's avatar

Agree 💯

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ELKFLA's avatar

My question is, where are the fathers?

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Sandra Knauf's avatar

Thank you. It's disgusting that the male's responsibility is never front and center. When will we connect the dots that this is one of the reasons why so many generations of women are batshit crazy?

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ELKFLA's avatar

Seriously, right? If you were the husband/partner of one of these women who was pulling a stunt like this and deliberately risking their own health and the health and development of your unborn child just because some politician they don't like said something that got their panties in a wad, how furious would you be?

I can understand that having your body turned into a veritable sea of hormones can do some whacky stuff to your emotions, but ODing on Tylenol on purpose is a whole different category of self-harming crazy.

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Cabogirl's avatar

They probably have been Neutered and shuttered for so long that they don’t dare speak out. Besides who wants to admit their wife is an idiot.

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Tim Pallies's avatar

It’s a great question.

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Emily Terrell's avatar

The dems had a mobile abortion clinic at the DNC convention. What’s a little casual child abuse to a death cult?

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

It isn’t abuse as long as it’s the opposite of what Trump declared, I guess. It must be righteous indignation? It’s GOT to have something to do with all the love and acceptance theu alone possess.

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Jane Baker's avatar

They just love you to death.

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Tim Pallies's avatar

That’s some serious “Sunshine.”

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Ripple's avatar

Do a little dance, make a little love...

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Lyndia's avatar

YES!!!! By anyones standards!

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Nancy Parsons's avatar

Yes.

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David Nelson's avatar

Ladies, my "hate speech," whatever it is, is NOTHING compared to your "hate actions" against your own children. Rent a working brain from somewhere. PLEASE.

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Annie's avatar

Agree 💯 Those poor children to have those creatures for "mothers." 😢

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

David--what a fantastic idea for a new business model! And rental pays back so much better than purchase.

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David Nelson's avatar

3Vees, it exists, and I know this only because some years ago, I tried to figure out which--of the billions of occupations available to choose--is the pinnacle, in terms of compensation received for effort outlaid.

Oh, I ran through the usual suspects, college puffessor, astronaut, etc. I briefly considered movie producer simply from the point of view that people LINE UP to PAY YOU for "displaying something--TEMPORARILY--on the backs of their eyeballs that exists ONLY later in their memories." I realized that, except for "souvenirs," that's all the tourism industry is. But I was looking at it only from the point of view of "how little" the product cost to produce or the resale value of the take-home, ignoring how much actual EFFORT went into getting something ready for sale.

No, thinking like an engineer, I was looking for an occupation whose pay in the numerator approached infinity while effort in the denominator approached zero. And I found it.

There is a job people are paid to do where they don't even have to get out of bed. They can do it in their pajamas. Or even, not. They can do it from the bathroom... They can even say they don't want to do it, and even insist they won't do it, and still people with money keep hounding them to do it. It takes no physical effort on their part. They don't even have to be right...

It's called "consulting." Rent-a-brain, if you will. There are people who are asked, "Please, PLEASE! JUST GIVE ME YOUR OPINION! I'M BEGGING YOU HERE!" And they can say, "Take a hike; I don't feel like it." the first 9 times, and the bid just goes up and up, until they say something/ANYthing, and they get the money, and they never break a sweat.

THAT has to be--in the parameters I've set out--one of the HIGHEST forms of human work ever devised.

Of course there's "speaking fees" too, but you have to put on clothes at least on the top half and can't do it from the bathroom because of the echoes. I put that one second.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

"the first 9 times, and the bid just goes up and up"---it's an old, old model, I realize--the Sibylline books presented its effectiveness. Rent-a-brain indeed.

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David Nelson's avatar

"the Sibylline books?" <hastily summons Ay-Eye, the Mundane>

"Oh, yes, those..."

I think the original nine prophetic books of the female oracles from Asia Minor, the Sibyls, consulted by only certain approved Roman priests and then only in dire times, and said to be "Rome's most guarded possession," underscore the EXTREME importance of NOT PUTTING YOUR OPINIONS IN WRITING if you're going to have any future at all in the Paid-Opinion racket.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Yup. Write them on leaves.

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Sandra Knauf's avatar

OUR children. We're all in this together, David.

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David Nelson's avatar

True that. "It takes an advanced civilization."

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Patti F's avatar

I keep seeing a meme on FB stating "I don't know who needs to hear this right now, but YOU did not cause your child's autism". OMG no one is saying that! Good Lord. It's a study of studies that have been done over the last decade, all showing the same possible connection. No one is blaming anyone! But because everyone is always a victim, we need to appease everyone that really it's ok. Maybe all those moms need to meet the moms who used anti-nausea medicine in the 50's that contained thalidomide and ended up with physically deformed babies. They didn't know! They certainly didn't do it on purpose and they're not to blame. No one has ever blamed those moms and no one is blaming moms today for taking Tylenol. I hate this whole victim mentality that we live in.

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

🎯🎯🎯

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Claudia's avatar

The only moms to blame are the ones defiantly downing Tylenol

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Patti F's avatar

Well yes. The fact that they're doing that is beyond any logic.

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Claudia's avatar

It’s mind boggling

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Dena's avatar

The victim mentality at work. Don’t blame me! Obviously nobody is blaming the parents. The only ones to blame are the scientists, the lying scientific studies & the incompetent doctors who don’t bother to use the part of their brains for critical thinking. Also the obscene docs who are in it for the pharma bonus money. Plenty of blame to go around.

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Warrior Mom's avatar

we deal with the 'mom guilt' on such a regular basis, in the autism community. we work hard to get parents to shed that and use their energies to move forward and help their child recover. we are all only as good as the information we had at the time. know better, do better. NOBODY in the autism community would ever play the blame game on parents. only those outside the community would play that. how sickening.

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Patti F's avatar

The horrifying thing is that I saw that same meme posted multiple times by people I know have autistic kids!

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Sheila's avatar

What horrifies me is that society is going to have to live with, cope, and support these brain damaged children 😢 And if there's one thing I know as the parent of an autistic daughter, society can't even cope with the current number of autistic kids, let alone the increasing numbers there will be ten years from now!!! 💔 Autism is not just cute and quirky; it can be downright dangerous!

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deborah7isheaven's avatar

I'm so sorry! I especially worry for when all the aging parents die or can no longer care for their children. Then what? Only the strength from God sees us through.

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Warrior Mom's avatar

my son will 'age out' of the public school system this coming Spring. its a 'what the heck do I do now?' moment. as a single mom who is already caring for elderly parents as well, do I just quit working? go on Welfare? wtf?

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SH's avatar

Start your search NOW for programs in your area -adult daycare, respite care, Gov (state, Fed, County, Churches) programs he 'might' qualify for, etc. That respite care might assist you with your parents as well. Hope they are at least mostly healthy.

Have a great nephew with Duchenne's MD who ages out in Dec, but won't be out of school until Spring. He can't do much of anything physically for himself except drive his elec wheelchair and play video games; sometime even holding a bottle of water/soda is too much. Because his age changes in Dec, his Mom is lining up all kinds of programs for that date, even though he will have school until Spring. It takes TIME to get past all the red tape.

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Warrior Mom's avatar

thank you, SH. appreciate that. we are lucky that in our state (Indiana) we have what's called the Autism Medicaid Waiver program. a specific amount of funding my son receives each year, can be allocated to different therapies and programs and caregiver/respite care. when he ages out of the public school system, all the funding will go towards a day program and we do have a few options available that I have to research and choose from. of course none are ideal - I have to find one that offers transportation, so that I can continue to work. also fingers crossed that enough funding will be leftover to continue a bit of the caregiver hours.

my dad is 93, gets around okay for his age but has moderate dementia. mom is 87 and is in good enough shape for her to still be a paid caregiver for my son. you know that is not gonna last too much longer.

but yeah, for the time being, we are fairly lucky compared to others. the support systems are bulging at the seems. from what I hear, special ed etc, its on the verge of imploding, over in the UK!

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Bridget's avatar

Well, one thing we know for SURE: if their babies are autistic, it had NOTHING to do with Tylenol 👍

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

Like the meme I recently saw saying they know exactly what ancient Pharaohs died of but still can’t put their finger on what causes SIDS.

Um… does the fact that 76% of SIDS occurs within 14 days of a round of vaccines tell us anything, Doc?

No! We don’t know WHAT is was, but we sure as hell know what it wasn’t.

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Bridget's avatar

Maybe SIDS is caused by what killed the ancient Pharoahs...?

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

😝 Did they have vaccines and tylenol in King Tut’s day?

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Graphite's avatar

🤣🤣🤣🤣

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Jean Louise's avatar

The fact that so many pregnant women are reacting this way is heartbreaking. For them and their babies. I was having babies between 1996-2003. The pediatrician ALWAYS told us to give our kids children’s Tylenol prior to and following their vaccinations!

It wasn’t until years later when we were awoken to the hijacked medical field by our son’s ADHD diagnosis (they tried to drug him with Ritalin at age 6) and our daughter’s misdiagnosed Lyme disease (we nearly lost her and had to go underground for treatment) that I thought about the possible link between the MMR vaccine and the onset of his ADHD symptoms. Our daughter also had a seizure at 3mos which in hindsight I believe absolutely was caused by a vaccine. Fortunately, she has not had any seizures since.

I was like you, Jenna , when the Tylenol announcement was made thinking ‘Oh, here we go again… this is just cover for the vaccine manufacturers.’ However, I read several pieces similar to Dr Tenpenny’s that explained the way Tylenol works in conjunction with the vaccines. So I think that information is starting to get out and it makes so much sense.

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

I was having my babies on the tail end of that window and same story. It wasn’t even like “if or when you need, administer some Tylenol.“ It was like, don’t forget to go home and take some Tylenol!🙈

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

I always kicked myself if/when I forgot to give my three a preemptive dose before we even left the house for a round of vaccines.

I now thank God for forgetting! I think our middle kid was vaccine injured by the synthetic vitamin K and stupid HepB she received at birth.

“Welcome to the world, precious one! You must be pharmaceutically deficient. Here, let’s fix that.” 💉

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Warrior Mom's avatar

right there with you gals! my son with autism was born in '04. I remember being told that 'giving Tylenol' crap; did it a few times and then stopped, thinking it unnecessary, since he never fussed. (he was already damaged, come to realize). now his younger brother (a 'whoops' baby, born 16 months later) was massively vaccine damaged (we know in retrospect): screamed constantly, rarely slept, chronic constipation, infant eczema... when we suspected something wrong with older brother and stopped vaccinating, the difference between the two was the '18 month vaccines'. younger boy pulled out of all those horrible symptoms and is fine today. older one... the damage was done (plus he already pulled all the mercury out of ME...)

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

Sorry to be intrusive but have you detoxes him for heavy metals? And have you looked into that newer drug (much as I detest drugs!) Lou-something? It’s been a game changer for many.

I bet you have the MTHFR gene. I won’t tell you how I remember that acronym. Let’s just say it ISN’T that I call it “mother father”.

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Warrior Mom's avatar

been down this road for over 15 yrs, so yes. definitely. my son is ligit lead poisoned. his first UTM (urine toxic metal) lab had it practically off the chart! also aluminum, cadmium, along with the mercury (which is the toughest to get out!) He did not speak at all (nor get toilet trained) until we started mild metal chelation, first with DMSA and more recently with EDTA. (he is still only minimally verbal.)

his other major issues have been with intestinal candida and high viral load (primarily strep, as in the syndrome PANDAS). MTHFR plays a minimal role in his issues; the gene mutations SOD (sulfur oxide dismutase) and NOS (nitric oxide sulfase) are more significant for him.

you are referring to Leucovorin, which is proprietary blend of mostly folinic acid. that has never been an appropriate treatment for him.

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Sandra Knauf's avatar

I remember hearing this too! I was telling my daughter about it this morning and thinking, am I remembering this right? The message was that it would ward off any discomfort they might feel!

When I read the Glamour article and watched a couple of the Tik-Tok videos I just felt devastated. It is a death cult.

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Jean Louise's avatar

Exactly!

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llaw555's avatar

Wow!!! That’s so crazy. My younger sister had a traditional doctor and hospital birth and that was also her experience.

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Valerie's avatar

I had kids in roughly the same timeframe as you did (1994-2004) and had the same experience. Tylenol before and after each vaxx, Tylenol for fevers, teething, etc. It was the ‘only safe’ medicine they told us. Bastards. I wish I knew then what I know now, but I can assure you my kids, who are now starting their own families, will know better.

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Jean Louise's avatar

💯

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Renee Sommers's avatar

I read the same article. I also read or saw a reel where they said just taking Tylenol for a week while ill will prolong your illness. I used to take Tylenol PM to sleep all the time. I knew you shouldn’t take it if you were drinking, but I had no idea.

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MaryAnn's avatar

My former husband rarely went to the dr or dds as a child, (died at 71 with all his teeth and only one restoration). When the occasional cold/flu cropped up he would sit in a hot bath and drink hot herbal tea to deliberately raise his temp.

I get it now…

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Annie's avatar

Wow 😲

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Donna O's avatar

Wondering now if my daughter’s ADHD might be from Tylenol with vaccine fever (She’s 36 now, so can’t remember.)

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Jean Louise's avatar

It definitely makes you wonder.

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Skenny's avatar

Trump inflicted the left with a new disorder:

TDS = Tylenol Derangement Syndrome

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Occam's avatar

Wow, Tylenol. TYLENOL.

I was born in the late 60's, and if they lied about Tylenol, they lied about EVERYTHING.

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David Nelson's avatar

It's almost like lying about TANG, "the nutritious space-age drink of the astronauts."

(Oh.)

False or Misleading Claims Used to Sell Tang

* Implied Health Benefits: Tang was aggressively advertised as a "vitamin-rich" or "nutritious" drink, emphasizing its vitamin C content while downplaying its extremely high sugar content (about 93% sugar in some versions). Critics have noted that Tang is essentially "flavored sugar powder" and not a healthy or nutritious beverage as originally marketed.

* Marketed as a Healthy Alternative: Tang was positioned as a healthy alternative to natural fruit juices and water, using slogans like "Tang Milao, Pani pilao" to encourage children to drink it instead. This misled many consumers into thinking Tang was a healthy hydration choice when, in reality, its sugar levels could have adverse health effects.

* Association with Astronauts and NASA: Tang’s most famous marketing angle was its association with the U.S. space program. Ads implied that Tang was developed for and preferred by astronauts, suggesting it was a scientifically superior or space-age product. However, this association was mostly marketing spin: Tang happened to be available when NASA needed a beverage for space, not because of special benefits, and some astronauts (like Buzz Aldrin) later claimed they either disliked or did not actually drink it.

* Minimized Health Risks: Advertising glossed over or entirely omitted the risks associated with sugary drinks, such as obesity, diabetes, and dental problems, focusing instead on vitamins and space-age allure.

(BUT, it's still on the market in the US and around the world)

* Tang is currently most popular in countries like Brazil, Argentina, and the Philippines, and remains a billion-dollar global brand as of the last decade.

(We're always being played. We've always been always being played.)

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Occam's avatar

Crazy.

Or baby formula - that something is BETTER than a mother's breast milk.

Imagine that.

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Irunthis1's avatar

That one IS hands down the absolute worst. High fructose corn syrup is better than breast milk. Mmmmmkay. Only if mom is a heroin junkie and then it’s still a toss up.

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

Kind of like, "breakfast is the most important meal of the day", which most people just accept but was actually a marketing slogan developed by Kelloggs to sell more corn flakes.

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Kathy Lux's avatar

I lived in Alaska for many years and Tang was sent out to the villages to be used by the folks dwelling there, in part to improve the taste of their water, which was often from rivers and lakes and could be funky. Tooth decay was through the roof as was diabetes. It was an unhealthy addition to their diet, to say the least.

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David Nelson's avatar

Just another case where "PSIENSS!" wrought its damage and left "others" to pay the costs of its short-sighted self-serving.

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nancylee's avatar

well given that astronauts were as fraudulent as tang, seems copacetic

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Jeanne's avatar

Read “No More Tears, the Dark Secrets of Johnson and Johnson” by Gardiner Harris. Oh my, is it eye opening. The deception ie REAL!

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Tonee norman's avatar

That is the conclusion I have draw…

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Valerie's avatar

SAME

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David Nelson's avatar

For all the scientists screaming "Correlation does not imply causation," Jenna McCarthy has provided the perfect metaphor that correlation is "a naked lady with a neon sign screaming 'Hey geniuses, look over here!'" (In fact, I will be looking at every other waking thing with an eye to applying the metaphor again and again. "I'm telling you, Mr. Grocer, that spotted banana is a naked lady with a neon sign screaming...")

If correlation does not imply causation, it also emphatically does not imply "quash your scientific curiosity and tiptoe quietly away because the cow is sacred." So many correlations... So little curiosity...

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

Now you’re just trying to get screenshot into my next piece🤣

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David Nelson's avatar

Not at all. Such a crass thing never occurred to me.

I was all about encouraging the use of more naked-lady themes...

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

Fair 🤣

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John Wright's avatar

🤣🤣

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David Nelson's avatar

🤣

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Tonee norman's avatar

I do think the fame has gone to his head..😉😁

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John Wright's avatar

Correlation is essentially a first clue! It tells us what we should investigate further.

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Bridget's avatar

"So many correlations... So little curiosity..."

chef's kiss

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Heather B's avatar

Correlation doesn't equal causation in the case of vaccines or anything they don't want you to notice but it does in all their other studies! You took this and got better, that's proof our product works. You took a vaccine and got worse, that's not proof our product sucks. It's only correlation in this case, not causation.

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Warrior Mom's avatar

correlation allows one to form a hypothesis, which then can be scientifically tested. yup, that's science, oh all you wonderful people who insist they 'follow the science' TM

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David Nelson's avatar

Yes, Heather, in those cases the "correlations" may only be "penumbra, formed by emanations," to quote a ridiculous SCOTUS decision.

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Heather B's avatar

P.S. David, I have to steal "So many correlations, so little curiosity" for a tshirt. Subtle viciousness, love it! 💕

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David Nelson's avatar

Please do; go for it. And be sure to give it a byline: jennasside.rocks.

(For that matter, I'm surprised that Ms McCarthy hasn't nominated it for BSotY. She/Everyone-by-now knows how Johnny-One-Note I am about that.)

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Heather B's avatar

if she wants it I'll make it but for now I'll put it in my conspiracy shop. 💕

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David Nelson's avatar

As long as it's on SOMEONE's to-do list... thanks.

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

Yea! When was OBSERVATION removed from the scientific method? And how often must one hear thunder and see lightning before saying to themselves, YO, a storm is brewing. Better get the kids out of the pool?

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MartyB's avatar

The only awards show I might watch would be The Darwin Awards.

If Trump were truly evil he’d be singing the praises of sweet, sweet oxygen, and watch plastic bags fly off the shelves.

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Jeff Johnson's avatar

Will Cain made a point to Dr. Drew Pinsky yesterday that maybe TDS should be studied and honestly designated as a disease. Dr. Pinsky did not disagree.

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

It’s obviously widespread and debilitating! There’s no reason it shouldn’t be.

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Shelley James's avatar

So can we label them as "science deniers"? This is the result of an education system that teaches critical race theory vs critical "real" thinking

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🌱Nard🙏's avatar

I think we label them as brain dead (I was going to say the “R” word, but that seems too cruel given the life they are creating for themselves…one in which they will most likely raise an autistic child. For life.)

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Marc Thimmel's avatar

There is no “one cause “ the list of toxins(especially within the past 2 decades) that we consume daily is growing exponentially. Self sabotage, or worse sabotage of the unborn is next level brutality. Learn….change…..evolve. At this point people should realize health is more about what you remove from your intake then it is what you add.

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Commoncents's avatar

Reminds me of the many talking heads on either the news or social media that bragged about getting their Covid jab only to pass out on camera or die a short time later. Yeah you showed them.

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

Seriously!! 🤦‍♀️

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Graphite's avatar

Yeah.... Heather MacDonald collapsed on stage while taking the juice out of 'anti-vaxxers', and that bodybuilder died after telling his followers to use him as a test case to see that the 'vaccine' was safe! 🙄

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Occam's avatar

This is the logical end result of feminism, innit? Being so powerful and all-knowing that you can do whatever you want, irrespective of the laws of the universe?

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

There is a direct causal line from the 1960s iteration of feminism to the transgender ideology, to the feminization of straight men, to women who are choosing not to marry or have children, and now finally to outright psychopathology with pregnant women ingesting poison. And this insanity is finally being dismantled by young conservative women who have realized that healthy fulfillment can come from living a life within the guardrails of traditional values. (For a rational discussion on this, please read C.S. Lewis’ “The Abolition of Man”)

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Occam's avatar

Funny how our ancestors had it figured out, then we rejected all of it in pursuit of what, transhumanism? Funny how it's pretty well laid out in the bible a couple thousand years ago.

The thing about fighting nature is that nature always wins. But when they figure it out (which many of them never do), it's generally too late.

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

Don’t forget that virtually every vaccine contains fragmented DNA of BOTH sexes.

I correlate at least some of the gender confusion with that fact.

We got 5-6 shots. Kids these days get 76+ doses. That's a lot of DNA from the opposite sex.

*This info is found on vaccine inserts. Code names like HEK12 translates to HUMAN EMBRYO KIDNEY cells— and they had to have 12 aborted babies in order to get the desired iteration they required.

Sometimes correlation is a big, fat, hairy cause.

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Tonee norman's avatar

That is horrific.

Where did you get the information about how many fetuses it took?

Thank you.

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Someone else's avatar

Not really a direct causal line from the 1960s, only from the looney new version of nonfeminism (exemplified by the looney new leaders of NOW) in the 1980s.

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Demonhype's avatar

Yes, I get tired of the constant refrain of "this is why it was wrong to give women human rights and not force them to be chattel of their father or husband" crap every time any woman does something stupid. As if men don't do unbelievably stupid things too, but for some reason that is only ever an individual failing and not evidence that men shouldn't be trusted to control their own lives.

And applying the modern loopy version of feminism to every historical movement promoting women's rights is like saying democracy and civil rights were always a bad idea because look at how crazy America has gotten over the last decade or so, this is what happens when peasants are allowed off a monarchal leash.

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Someone else's avatar

Jenna, I’d be happy to help set the record straight on this feminist movement thing. I actually think it’s important to know the truth on this topic.

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Richard schoenenberger's avatar

Thank you Mary Ann, sounds like a great read.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

It might be one of the shortest books on the importance of traditional values ever published. Lewis could see back in 1947 where we were heading when moral relativism began challenging traditional values.

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Someone else's avatar

It’s the logical end of the leftist loonies’ extremist form of feminism, which I believe was created by those who wanted to undermine the original, very healthy feminist movement. The leaders of the feminist movement in the 1960s were actually level-headed women (and some men) who made lots of sense and who stood up for what was right.

I graduated from high school at the end of the first year that Yale admitted women. I applied to Yale, and a Yale alum interviewed me for possible admission. I wasn’t anticipating any problems before the interview, but later it was clear to me that he wasn’t happy they were admitting women, and he was looking for ways to trip me up. It didn’t help my case that I showed up for the interview in my cheerleader’s uniform. 🙂. But back in that day, feminism was needed to break down absurd barriers - for example, I was also the leading scorer on my high school’s math team, and had many other scholastic and extracurricular achievements, and the cheerleader uniform shouldn’t have been any reason to discount my qualifications. (I didn’t get an offer of admission, and in the final analysis I’m glad I wore the uniform and I’m glad I didn’t go there!). As another example, several years later I was urged to join a class action lawsuit against a govt contractor that I had worked for, because it was well known that they refused to hire female PhDs into their scientific research labs. I didn’t join the lawsuit because I preferred making lemonade out of the lemons, and there were much more interesting and fun places to work than those research labs. But I believe that feminism was an important movement back in the 60s that improved the lives of men and women who wanted to see more fairness and transparency in the workplace. It was deliberately turned into a looney extremist movement in the 1980s - so looney that I never imagined at that time that anyone would ever confuse it with the actual feminist movement.

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Rhonda's avatar

I think that’s been the case with so many great movements: they’ve been hijacked for a darker agenda

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Someone else's avatar

Agreed.

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Jane Baker's avatar

In UK by 1970 "feminism" was already represented to us masses by the likes of Germaine Greer,who whatever she preached in Australia or USA where tv and media then I think was more conservative and I know see that she tailored her message to what would get her on screen,and presumably get her paid money. But in UK where the BBC lunatics really were running the BBC asylum,check out the then DG,we got the full blast of her personality,her mouth,and her stigma /shame free sex message. That evil woman destroyed lives no wonder shes gone to hide away in Australia.

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Yes, there were always some loonies, propped up by the lamestream media, who were doing their best to undermine the feminist movement. But, like today’s freedom warriors, the level-headed leaders of the real feminist movement in the 70s were easy to find and listen to, they were sometimes smeared and other times ignored in the lamestream media, and they were able to achieve meaningful change in the context of the establishment that didn’t want those changes. I believe we need to honor and not forget the hero(ine)s of that feminist movement. To that end, the loonies propped up by the media who’ve undermined their efforts should not be confused with the movement that created positive change and was known as the feminist movement at that time.

(Note: there were quite a few men at the govt research lab who privately asked me to help get rid of the discrimination against women at those labs, because they very much wanted the greater fairness and productivity of a merit-based system. Also, after I retired from decades at a much more interesting and fun place to work, a male colleague who had been a leader in that workplace, to my surprise, told me that he had always wanted to make that workplace more fair to women, and that he regretted not being able to do more to achieve that goal. It’s an ongoing issue with many unsung hero(ine)s, like the larger freedom movement today.)

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Jane Baker's avatar

I agree,the real feminism was equal pay and opportunity in careers,as Shaw was saying really. But The Sun never found that sexy! I'm not labour or Tory or anything specifically but I hate how for decades that Harriet Harman who seems a lovely person in herself gets nasty comments,and for decades now. It's no wonder good,honest people no longer put themselves forward leaving our political field open to chancers.

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Julie Estes's avatar

Great story 😊

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arrotsevni's avatar

They are acting like 5yr olds in a temper tantrum. Unfortunately, this what we have to deal with. While it looks silly, people like this readily turn their tantrums on others as we have just witnessed.

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