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Roberta Stack's avatar

I wonder if they can make it a private club, charging $1 membership fee and then they can determine who becomes a member. Just a thought. Disgusting and shame on those judges that allow this.

Jenna McCarthy's avatar

Seems like a great solution TBH!

A.'s avatar

I can’t believe we have reached this level of upside-down-land…😢

Cindi's avatar

I have to disagree. A private club is a work-around but the asshats still win because not every business can do that. The only solution is a return to sanity & biological reality.

Positively Paying It Forward's avatar

To think that Jenna works hard to prevent 'exploding brain syndrome', and asks readers to support her at less than a C-note annually (at over 250 reads a year, that equates to $.30 per effort?), while on the other side of the chaos isle, we're asked to spend literally $millions while people dressed up in black robes try to decide if anyone would/might be offended if gender at birth is no longer good enough.

Jenna McCarthy's avatar

You win! Comment of the year!🩷🤗

Positively Paying It Forward's avatar

To receive that honor is the best 30 cents I ever spent. 😇

KatWarrior's avatar

A PMA is potentially a fantastic solution. It follows Common Law which is the fecking law of the damn land! They would have to remove themselves from the corporate world which is the key. All jurisdictions are corporations, aka, all government is formed under corporations.

Brilliant idea, Roberta.

J. Watson's avatar

The club would have to be truly private, and could not refuse to admit men.

"But to qualify, the private club must truly be for members only and have selective membership criteria. So a club that will admit anyone except African Americans does not qualify as a private club."

And, it would have to be a non-profit and have such status.

WA state law would disqualify it as soon as the bureaucrats could stop tizzying and get out their ink stamps.

Mike Lee's avatar

What if the facility is privately owned real estate with ownership vested in those who are invited to buy in? Not an owner? Then you are a trepasser.

Dena's avatar
Mar 20Edited

There are plenty of Indian owned casinos in WA that the spa could operate within. The bigger problem is that these casinos get special treatment from the governor in order to buy their votes & campaign contributions. For example during the lockdowns the tribal casinos continued to operate sans masking & smoking allowed.

J. Watson's avatar

I'm not sure what you mean by "privately owned real estate," other than government ownership. In this case, I suspect the spa was on privately-owned land, with the complete right of exclusion. However, exclusion of people is dependant upon civil rights laws in a state. Some states, for instance, permit limitation to one sex only, and only in terms of truly nonprofit clubs. WA state does not permit exclusion from a business based gender, whatever people are claiming to be, nor to limit membership in a private club upon that basis which would contravene their civil rights laws.

Doug's avatar

Move the spa onto Native American land - then the spa is only bound by tribal law. Make sure the tribe knows the difference between men and women first, though...

Mike Lee's avatar

Was thinking more along the lines of privately owned my the "members". Each member buys into the ownership of the real estate. The real estate is the site of activities that the owners mutually participate in.

It's convoluted for sure and probably an administrative nightmare.

If an hoa owns a swimming pool they are not obligated to allow non owners the use of it.

J. Watson's avatar

Ahh, I see. That makes sense. Unfortunately, I suspect Washington State would figure out a way around it, via some sort of law or ruling that any club with membership not entirely closed at the outset, but somehow limiting member to biological women, would be in violation of civil rights laws.

Below is what seems to be a decent response from the LEXIS AI:

In conclusion, Washington State's civil rights law would permit an entirely private, non-profit club to limit its membership to biological women only if the club qualifies as a bona fide private membership club that is distinctly private and not open to the public. The determination of whether the club meets these criteria would depend on the specific facts, including its selectivity, exclusivity, and operational practices.

Roberta Stack's avatar

Ugh

Baldmichael's avatar

If it is a members only club then surely only those with members can get in? :<)

Kaycee's avatar

BWAH HAHAHHAHAHAHHA

Juju's avatar

I’m so confused by this case. I thought private businesses could refuse service to anyone. I just watched a video where a privately owned airline was allowed to ask one of its passengers to get off the plane and refuse service to them. She was disruptive but the cop told her they have a right to refuse service to anyone they choose. It wasn’t based on race. It was based on behavior.

How is that different than this?

Cindi's avatar

Yeah, remember “no shirt-no shoes-no service”. That was in the long gone sane days

Tonee norman's avatar

Yea,I just posted that before I read the comments..”no shirt,no shoes,no XX,no service “!

Pawletto's avatar

Although this may be a workaround (I doubt it would work in the long run), we should not have to become legal contortionists in an effort to protect the rights of women. The old saying “give an inch, they take a mile” applies here.

Tim Pallies's avatar

As much as I like it, does it simply cue up a possible civil rights lawsuit?

KatWarrior's avatar

Is there a civil rights lawyer amongst us that can answer this question?

Seamus Mahoney's avatar

Tell me again, how declaring an oath with hand upon Bible establishes Truth, yet these learned loons refuse the Truths clearly contained therein ?

Sandra  Lee Smith's avatar

Nope. You'd get the same result.

MaryAnn's avatar

My father-in-law had a mobile home at the back of his farm lot. He wanted to turn it into a rental. He made the rental agreement reflect the person was an employee of said farm, so he could select the tenant based on suitability for farm work (mowing, weeding, etc.). Maybe the spa could make employment a condition to use the facility?🤷🏼‍♀️

Baldmichael's avatar

As Cindi says later, the loonies still win. They need throughly defeating.

Fred's avatar

I like it, but prefer that the case winds its way to the SC so that hopefully, some

common sense returns to the laws. If we keep having to find “work arounds “ eventually there will be some situations for which there is no “fix.”

John Wright's avatar

I believe this works. When Covid was still in the early stages, my understanding was that some stores could use this approach to control who was permitted to enter (not just the general public - you had to be a member).

TheGreatAwakening's avatar

This idea is a very smart workaround! It's a bummer if that was what they had to resort to, though, because it's making a concession for a system that shouldn't exist in the first place.

YGS's avatar

If they tried that, some lunatic would claim discrimination for being barred from membership. What a crazy world.

JetMechTraveler's avatar

See my response in the main comments. This won't work because it's still "gender discrimination." Thats the legal bullshit women have used to infiltrate male spaces. As I posted, a support group for biological women is a different story. It's not discrimination because you have to meet specific criteria to be a member of said support group. Paid membership as part of accessing the spa feature of said support group added to the spa feature fee helps keep it exclusive. They can even add a caveat that biological men can join and use the service but the single time fee is the operating cost of the spa to run 1 week plus lost "female" customer fees for the day based on average sales, a hospitality and cleaning fee, etc. Make it prohibitively expensive for any "man" to attend.

CindyArizona's avatar

But if they make it a private club and a pervert with a pecker wants to join can they prevent his membership?

John Wright's avatar

{shaking head at humanity}

Don't mind me... I'm going back to books and cats. Humans make lousy company, too many idiots on the loose.

Anthony S Burkett's avatar

The problem with ignoring them is that when they're left alone too long, they tend to breed!

Tonee norman's avatar

Not if you don’t feed them…

John Wright's avatar

🤣 But isn't everyone's favorite sport: "feeding the trolls"? 😇

Tonee norman's avatar

I don’t know about “favorite “…😉

John Wright's avatar

Yes, I do prefer to starve them!

John Wright's avatar

We definitely have too many humans! Breeding is something they seem addicted to doing!

Anthony S Burkett's avatar

Well! Ya can't blame us for wanting to have fun, can ya? (rhetorical question)... Reminds me of an old joke about Humans and Dolphins... :)... But I digress... No, I don't think there are too many humans, just too many humans who are complete and irredeemable idiots... and for me, the really strange thing is that the greater majority of the idiots are the leaders of Western Society... and correct me if I am mistaken, I believe that the remainder of the idiots are by and large white people.

Doug's avatar

You mean "Bi and LARGE", right? ; )

People aren't the problem. Stupidity is.

John Wright's avatar

Considering that 90% fall in the "complete and irredeemable idiots" category... I just round up to "all of humanity". 😇

Anthony S Burkett's avatar

Ok!! Ya got me there! :D

Jeanne Dukes's avatar

Not true. Because of abortion in America we are lacking in legal population. Birth rates have been and continue to be very low.

John Wright's avatar

Disagree: Even in the USA we have far, far too many humans. (Mind you: that's not an excuse to murder them to reduce population, it's simply an existing problem we have. The USA would be far better off with half the current population.)

Jeanne Dukes's avatar

Disagree:"be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth" (Genesis 1:28).

John Wright's avatar

Already accomplished about 100 years ago.

Outdoorluvr's avatar

Good! And it's nothing to do with abortion. Gone are the days when we needed 10-15 slave children to run the family farm. And we sure don't need anymore children whose parents don't want them.

Outdoorluvr's avatar

🤣🤣🤣 Not hardly. Just someone who cares about humanity, and an earth that can't support the current population. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but we won't be living on Mars with the billionaires after this planet is destroyed.

Tonee norman's avatar

Don’t forget dogs and horses!

John Wright's avatar

And bunnies and all the other critters of the world we seem intent on wiping out.

Vee's avatar

Looks like the dyke filled van couldn't take the swinging dicks anymore hahahaha. The back to back substack articles on the manipulation of the English language speaks volumes about the upside down world that we find ourselves in today.

As a card holding member of the tinfoil hat club, I think that this is all purposeful social engineering to create a confused androgynous society that is too weak minded to fight back against the sociopaths in power.

Tim Pallies's avatar

And ideally unable to reproduce.

John Wright's avatar

It's a wonder some of these idiots do manage to figure out how to reproduce!

Maureen Hanf's avatar

Well, when you chase anything that moves long enough, sometimes the results are surprising...

John Wright's avatar

🤣🤣🤣🤣

TJ Pop's avatar

Most food, cosmetics, pesticides, pharmaceuticals, etc. are laced with endocrine disrupting chemicals. “Endocrine-disrupting chemicals (EDCs), are substances in food packaging, plastics, personal care products, and pesticides that interfere with the body's endocrine system, potentially causing reproductive, developmental (gender dysphoria) and metabolic issues. Key offenders include BPA, phthalates, parabens, and flame retardants.” Just sayin’…

karen h's avatar

I had the pleasure of hearing Brad Dacus from pacific justice center, who are the attorneys representing the spa, talk about this case last night. And of course, Jeff Childers wrote an hysterical column about it last week. Please lord return sanity to our society!

Jenna McCarthy's avatar

Damn I read Jeff almost every day and I missed that one! Thanks for sharing.

Alan's avatar

I'm off Jeff now that he seems to have Trump Worship Syndrome.

Anthony S Burkett's avatar

I appreciate Jeff's viewpoints and the wide-ranging topics he covers, and that's why I read his daily Substack... with, of course, the understanding that if President Trump were to stop, Jeff might break his nose.

Doug's avatar

I hear you. That in particular gets a little tiring, but I still appreciate his analysis of political events in general.

The TAW stuff always makes me question "if Trump wins, does that mean I win, or that Americans win?" I can see the possibility that that ISN'T always the case. And yet I appreciate his column more than the TDS-infused liberal idiocy I see in most other places. Call it a balancing viewpoint, even if it isn't 100% an accurate one... And, Jeff's column gave me hope through the plandemic. He will always have my gratitude for that.

Seamus Mahoney's avatar

There's the answer, in plain sight... First 3 words of last sentence.

Tom Hepting's avatar

Maybe the staff missed the opportunity to use the weapon of derision. Clear the rooms of all women who don't want to participate, let the dude in and as he swings his stuff, point at his privates and fall to the floor in laughter. If that doesn't work, give "her" a high impact massage with knee kicks to the groin.

Michael's avatar

Copilot: There is no state in the United States where it is legal for underage girls to strip naked in front of men in a way that constitutes indecent exposure or public nudity. Laws across the U.S. generally prohibit the exposure of genitals or breasts in public, especially involving minors.

Jenna McCarthy's avatar

The problem was the spa described itself as being for “biological women.“ That was found to be discriminatory.🤦‍♀️

Michael's avatar

Any public area where women are forced to be naked in front of biological men must be zoned and licensed as a strip tease venue with restricted access, auditing etc and under age people are not allowed to enter. I don't know how they can argue any way around that especially if there are underage girls there.

diana's avatar

Wouldn't they just force the spa to get the license and then keep girls out? The point is harassment, by force as required .... Ugh.

Onward Through the Fog's avatar

They should make it for persons without penai...no one excluded unless they value an optional appendage more than a massage with the nekkid ladies.

The Great Resist's avatar

In the convoluted thinking of the woke leftist judges, the man who brought the suit IS a woman because he identifies as one (or so he says). With that line of thinking, no one is being required to strip in front of a man because he isn’t a man. They consider his “twig and berries” (h/t Jeff Childers) to be irrelevant.

Flippin’ Jersey's avatar

Not to blame the victims here, but how many lawsuits did women file over the years to get into all male spaces? Turnabout is fair play, no?

I am not defending this decision, I’m totally fine with single sex spaces for both men and women. I’m merely pointing out that one side started this shit! 😁

Dr. Molly Rutherford's avatar

True. Boy scouts…for example. Feminism is a scourge

Tim R's avatar

The Tax and Trans Left will stop at nothing to advance the humiliation ritual!

LB's avatar

True.

I’m not sure this matters, but women weren’t trying to get in to men’s spaces by pretending to be men, though; they just wanted equal access. However, the results of that desire were equally questionable.

Flippin’ Jersey's avatar

It’s not about the plaintiff, it’s about the “discrimination”. Women wielded that sword to get into male spaces for decades, now that it’s been turned on them, it’s outrageous.

Having separate spaces for men and women should be normal and unarguable, but nooooooo (as John Belushi said).

Mary Ann Caton's avatar

Get a copy of "The Great Feminization" by J. Stone. I've thought for a long while that the feminist movement first empowered women, ridiculed, mocked, and weakened masculinity and finally embraced transgenderism.

KateLE's avatar

It was the logical and predictable outcome.

Baldmichael's avatar

Which is why all this nonsense is occurring now, to get back to reality.

Bob Brown's avatar

I'm a guy who (almost) never curses and (almost) never looses it. I stay pretty calm almost all the time. I've learned that if I do let certain words leave my mouth, it gets peoples attention, they stop and think if this this pushed Bob that far, maybe we better stop and consider what we are doing.

I think that judge Van Dyke used just that strategy and he got people's attention. It worked and it was an appropriate way of pointing out the absurdity of the ruling.

Brandon is not your bro's avatar

Awesome write up Jenna …out of all the asshat crap that goes on in our world is this . They should find their tribe and stay in their own space , but no they get a RISE out of stirring crap. If you want in their space , come to white Easter in Palm Springs. My son was in a stroller when 2 trans men , in chaps walked past us . His head sling shotted outta that stroller so fast . Explain that to a 2 yr old . 🙄…

Janet's avatar

Hoping I don’t have to endure this rank insanity for the couple of decades I have left. But I did promise myself at 90 I would finally pick up a bag of Ruffles on my way to the gym.(Cold turkey cure 2003) Maybe I’ll hold on for that. The internet will be a steaming pile of crap by then and too many will be implanted with ai. They will have the power to make me invisible.

Brandon is not your bro's avatar

My ex actually took me to court to never let the kids visit their grandparents in Palm Springs, he lost .

Mike Lee's avatar

"RISE" 🤣🤣🤣

Gordon Phillips's avatar

Jen, having majored in pre-med with an exploratory minor in coed anatomy (a real hands-on subject), I can personally attest to the biological differences between men and women. Vive la différence! I suggest that women under attack by these freaks unite to form the "Lorena Bobbitt Society" and walk around sporting hedge trimmers and big grins like Jack Nicholson in The Shining. That should do the trick. Keep up the great work...

The Great Santini's avatar

I just read this article from the Daily Signal this morning:

“When the Biden administration turned its attention to concerned parents in the fall of 2021, the Central Intelligence Agency drafted a memo warning about white racial extremists recruiting women for “traditional motherhood” and “homemaking.”

The CIA produced an intelligence assessment focused on “women advancing white racially and ethnically motivated violent extremist radicalization and recruitment” on Oct. 6, 2021.

The Trump administration released a redacted version of the document in February.”

Isn’t it nice to know that these idiots think being a stay-at-home Mom makes you a domestic terrorist. We need to remove every element of this insanity from our government and our culture. These people need to be exiled to some distant land forever.

Sheila's avatar

I really want to know who raises these humans who don't know how to be men and instead want to harass women. I guess they don't have a father??

Dr. Molly Rutherford's avatar

In my experience, the mother is the alpha in the relationship…in the few families I know with gender confused men.

Very thankful for my alpha male who is helping me raise two sons.

Admittedly, the youngest gets in trouble often for his non woke language, which is annoying…but will serve him well in life, I pray.

Sheila's avatar

Yes I thought of that... some ultra feminists push the dads away from their children and this is what we get as a result sadly.

Janet's avatar

Gender confused females too.

Brian M's avatar

At least not a father they respect. As a father I can say I would know I had failed at my basic role in life if my son turned out like the one referenced in this post

Bridget's avatar

I picked combo because it was both hilarious and peak anti-woke energy. It made me laugh out loud (and then kind of want to cry a little). What a position for him to be in. What is this place? I know you just described how we got here but WHAT IN THE FREAKING HELL.

TheGreatAwakening's avatar

It's kind of funny that his last name is van "Dyke". #jessayin' 💅🏼

I hope this goes to the Supreme Court. This law is patently absurd, as is the majority's opinion. I freaking love that he called out their hypocrisy over his language but not the substance of the case. It's truly mind-blowing.

Jenna McCarthy's avatar

Hahaha I missed that (LingOL)!

TheGreatAwakening's avatar

I'm finding the universe has a great sense of humor in names recently.

Trump's attempted assassin: "Crooks" (REALLY?)

The Secret Service director at that time: "Cheat" le (I mean... ??)

Alvin Bragg: definitely full of himself

Sam Bankman-Fried: he definitely fried himself in the economic world

There are a few others that I'm not currently remembering (have the flu 😩, so fuzzy head.)

Baldmichael's avatar

Trump might be the last trump of Revelation. Its all pantomime, the Greatest Show on Earth.

https://baldmichael.substack.com/p/thursday-giggle-are-donald-trump?utm_source=publication-search

Baldmichael's avatar

And there is a Dick van Dyke too.

Dale Buchberger covid nerd's avatar

Well done Jenna lefty women especially lefty female judges need this dose of reality!! Thank you!!

Janet's avatar

Do they know they are actually female judges? Perhaps they should be queried on this important issue.

Janet's avatar

Saw a good meme this morning. “Democrats finally defined what a woman is—Someone too stupid to get an ID.”