Great post Pollyanna! Been following Banister for a long time. He's right. The problem today is this little thing called "lawfare". I've seen it in action with a couple friends. Lawfare doesn't care who's right or wrong. Ask Trump. Or Gen Flynn. I do agree that with all the fraud being ALLOWED, actually ENCOURAGED, to continue (probably well into the trillions), people are starting to look at this issue differently. Great post!
Kind of a 'I'll show you mine if you show me yours' moment, in grand scale, simultaneously. A highly interesting proposition. Lots of people have been churning this for decades. The 456 hospices & 397 Daycares, all in a single tiny apartment in (insert blue city of choice here__________), might just provide the juice that gets the ball rolling.
The 16th amendment allows the government to levy the income tax however the amendment doesn't specifically give the government the means to force the citizens to pay it. Basically, tax compliance is voluntary. IRS's job is to encourage voluntary compliance by using penalties and legal battles. Choose your battles wisely, it won't be cheap.
That's because if it specifically gave them power to enforce, it would violate the rest of the Constitution, so they are very sneaky and nefarious about how they use lawfare, etc and go about gaining compliance without statutorily requiring it. You against government, they will drain every ounce of blood out of you and do it using your taxes and everyone else's.
Russell, you are exactly correct, the government will use the power of law enforcement to put you in prison and keep everyone toeing their bullshit line.
It is a great post from Jenna, and we all need to coalesce and figure out how to fight back.
Guess what else you shouldn't be paying? Property taxes? If you are living in your home, the place where you eat, sleep, make babies, watch the lying media but you do no business out of that home, then you are not to pay a property tax. Let that sink in. I live in my home which I am buying, the county taxes me over $4g's a year. I operate no business out of my home, therefore they cannot tax me on it, yet they do... and why? Lawfare. Taxation was always only supposed to be through businesses and businesses pass that tax on to those who buy from the business, period. But because everyone has been told they will be locked up if they don't pay their property tax and because our deceitful, despicable government uses the power of law enforcement to lock us up, everyone simply toes the line because not enough of us are willing to say HELL NO, we are not paying your damn unconstitutional tax.
People who rent don't pay taxes, the person they rent from pays taxes because it is a business. This is one of many reasons they dont want you to own a home, your own property.
Let me add one other thing. they dont give a f*** about the Constitution, in fact they write laws to specifically subvert it. It's why we have the 2nd Amendment. We should use it.
If Americans truly understood their Constitutional power over government this kind of theft would not happen but it is precisely why we have a public indoctrination system... err education system... to keep us uninformed but severely indoctrinated.
It's not the legality / illegality aspect of it that concerns me. It's the goon squad that enforces the "rules" that worry me. These people take perverse pleasure in persecuting other people.
Ive been working in an accounting office since 2013. The stuff I see…..😳 hardworking people owe g ridiculous taxes while out-of-work mom of four gets $20,000 tax return. The system is soooo s reward up. It’s past time for We The People to stop complying with the lunacy
As a Libertarian, I’m supposed to say “Taxation is Theft” and on some level, I really believe that but my favorite Libertarians say “Taxation is Extortion”.
And as a Jenna fan, I gotta say this is extra bad ass. 🙌😘❤️🤬🍑
(What a perfect day to get back to reading Substack! 😘)
Wouldn’t it be great if every American boycotted paying their taxes this year? And use Joe’s defense? And clogged all the courts? It would be beautiful. It would be the most beautiful thing. No one would ever have seen anything so beautiful. Something to consider lol.
I got a huge wake up call to how zombified our country is when the ridiculous, anti science mask mandate was dreamt up. I SHOWED Covidiots the disclaimer ON THE BOX of their hallowed blue masks: “Does not prevent respiratory viruses”, “Do not use if you have a heart condition” Even “educated” doctors and nurses who, presumably, took a class in virology, dutifully strapped on a mask (later to be kept hanging from their rear view mirror and reused 🤢). I would love to be part of a Norma Rae Non Compliance movement, I just have no faith in the majority of my fellow humans. Perhaps our best chance is pushing local Governors to eliminate property tax. Could that get the camels nose under the tent?
Good morning. I've never heard the "shampoo" one, but of course I don't move in your societal circles. But between the IRS and state properties taxes I often do feel like we're being robbed, or pilfered, or something. I've "owned" my home for years, but let's just see what happens if I stopped paying properly taxes. Feels more like rent. And don't get me started on school taxes 🙄
Look up "no poo" (no joke). It's a whole THING. People swear that commercial shampoo strips natural oils from your scalp, which then overcompensates by producing more oil, which we then need to remove with more shampoo... I mean, it makes sense!
Ooooooo .... That's what my Hair Specialist has been talking about. Yeah she's nuts (seriously) and French Canadian. (but claims she doesn't participate in that French shaving revolt thing).
My niece is a Hair Specialist and she is bonkers. She also offers to color my hair for free. I tell her no thank you, I love my grey. Grey is the new purple.
Right. There is even a lawsuit against a shampoo manufacturer claiming the shampoo causes hair loss. The hair loss thing doesn't make sense because once your hair is gone you have no need for shampoo. Shampoo companies putting themselves out of business?
I lived all over the country in my 20s and 30s. Just an observation. Government Services were worse in high tax states. Roads were worse, etc. Politicians should not be allowed to decide what they get paid and they shouldn’t be allowed to put the cost of their incompetence on the people. But everywhere they do.
Here in my town (in the city limits) the park and recreation district taxes are higher than school taxes. Add in property taxes and the number is huge.
We’re in the county and ‘just’ pay property and school taxes, about $5k a year only because our home is valued lower because we bought it 21 years ago. If we sell… oh don’t get me started. We literally can’t afford to downsize due to high prices, and don’t forget capital gains if we move to a more affordable area.
And as if the taxes were not enough, they've created a system where many of us feel compelled to hire professional help just to get it right.
I'm old enough to remember Money Magazine. One annual feature used to be sending identical sets of documents to 40 or so CPAs, and asking them to complete a tax return. The incredible thing is that NEVER--NOT ONCE--did they ever get two of their highly trained CPAs to reach the same conclusion about what was owed or due as a refund. How maddening is that?
I remember that. Nobody actually knows what the regulations are or how they work. The tax code of regulations is huge. Try reading it, it takes you in circles.
If fraud was magically and retroactively eliminated from government spending, the $38 Trillion deficit would not exist. Income tax could be replaced by tariff revenue. Just day dreaming…..
I recently mentioned to our accountant that Trump is going to get rid of income taxes. He just laughed and said that will never happen. Well, he better hope it doesn’t because he’s going to be sorry that he just expanded his office space and signed another 10 year lease.
If it weren’t for hubs, I’d be boycotting. I’ll be sending him your post Jenna!
If an employee exercises the right to opt out of paying federal income tax, they notify the employer that they are tax exempt, and the employer will lawfully not withold taxes from their paychecks. Unfortunately, the IRS can demand the employer through a "lock-in-letter" to withold taxes and pay them anyway... or else the employer is liable. We really need to get away from taxing earned income and shift it to sales taxes on certain items. That way people who can afford certain luxuries pay taxes, and those who can't, don't.
My sister’s brother-in-law decided that federal income taxes were illegal, so he stopped paying them. It worked for about three years. Then he got to spend a couple of years in federal prison, and lost his license to practice his profession. And still was required to pay all the back taxes plus penalties and interest or go back to jail. So yeah, I’m still going to file tax returns and pay the number on the bottom line because I don’t think prison would be much fun.
I do think it would make you an instant target... but that said, some folks have managed it. I think it's one of those things if you know every last in and out and cross all your Ts etc. you might get past them? IDK. I'm definitely not cut out for prison either.
We have a friend who went to jail for the same thing. It was probably 15 years ago by the time he went. Ruined his life, home, wife, some kids, but eventually rebuilt it and remarried and is living happily in the south.
I came back because I just had another thought - WHERE would the Democratic Party find money to start sending condoms to Saudi Arabia and creating USAID and other ways to spend MY MONEY if I decide I’m definitely NOT all in? Hmmmm…. oh Jenna you’ve started something here. Ok. I’ll shut up now.
I should really go through one of those courses... I do have a friend doing it... it's NOT a fleeting endeavor, that's all I know at this point!!! Like you literally have to divorce yourself from the system...
That's PRECISELY what President Trump and Scott Bessent are doing right now.
RE: The Federal (which ain't federal, it's privately owned), Reserve (ain't anything reserved there cept parking spaces) vs THE TREASURY.
This is but one glorious outcome of the Iran/Strait of Hormuz issue - it kicks the City of London (it's own 'country' within the city, with its own borders, cops, laws and rules, and even a damn wall) and the Lloyds of London squarely in the junk while simultaneously kneecapping the British Empire and their over used 'tea taxes' which have never stopped.
If America had actually won the divorce case of Britain vs USA, there would be no damn BAR (British Accreditation Registry) Association of Admiralty Law lawyers (CONTRACT LAWYERS) committing lawfare on anyone who opposes their System of Systems - income tax being only a small part of that system.
Something to think about -> do you think it fair to have some lawfully not pay income tax cuz they read and did a thing, while millions of others who did not, still legally have to pay it?
Spoiler Alert: That is NOT the way President Trump works.
Also, YUGE difference between LAWFUL (Constitutional) and LEGAL (BAR Association using LEGALESE)
Definition of legalese - take all the words known to man in the English speaking world, twist and contort them to mean absolutely nothing close to what they really do, then stir em on up in some gargantuan stew pot, and THEN serve em on up using a big ole ladle as some serious fecked up word salad that no one, not even them, can make sense of, BUT that certainly clarifies that YOU broke the law.
It tells ya so on line 1913 of amendment 4216 under subsection 392, under sub subsection of AA between sub sub subsections of AAa and CcC , paragraph 14. Clear as day even!!
Things they are a'changin.'
Rapidly.
Hang onto your bloomers cuz it's gonna be a whirlwind!
Trump needs to sign an executive order telling the IRS to stop enforcing any tax compliance rules and or laws IE they will only accept voluntary contributions. You have to starve the beast to kill it. Congress needs to repeal the 16th amendment. Let’s really fuck over the Democrats so they can’t do anything once they get back in power.
My sister told me someone on this Substack told her a while back that there is a precedent for not paying taxes, that he’s been doing it for years and it is basically un-prosecutable. Now - (NOW is the time for all good men…..) you get the point. Definitely looking into this. Thank you for the two names to begin my research, Jenna! I will keep you all posted!
If I recall correctly, Peter Schiff's father, Irving Schiff, died in prison for not paying taxes,so not everyone who's tried has beat the system. These days it is certainly tempting to opt out when you see how the government has been using our money against us, like developing Covid and then creating a massive censorship industry to prevent the spread of cures and killing people with the jab while enriching pharma.
Damn. We paid A LOT of taxes this year because we used some of our retirement accounts to pay for a new roof. Grrrrrr..... And, of course, I paid Turbosuckx to help me fill out the Byzantine forms. Grrrrr..... But, SOMEBODY'S got fund those Quality Learing Centers.
Jenna, thank you for the most timely article….the same day our CPA informed us we owe the federal government $10,000 from 2025 because our savings earned too much interest. 😏Savings that have grown because we do not go on wild spending sprees or fancy vacations. I had heard Dinesh D’Souza’s interview with the Freedom Law School founder but had not heard of former IRS Joe Banister, so I appreciated the links.
Great post Pollyanna! Been following Banister for a long time. He's right. The problem today is this little thing called "lawfare". I've seen it in action with a couple friends. Lawfare doesn't care who's right or wrong. Ask Trump. Or Gen Flynn. I do agree that with all the fraud being ALLOWED, actually ENCOURAGED, to continue (probably well into the trillions), people are starting to look at this issue differently. Great post!
Let's make tax refusal TOO BIG TO RIG!!! ;)
Kind of a 'I'll show you mine if you show me yours' moment, in grand scale, simultaneously. A highly interesting proposition. Lots of people have been churning this for decades. The 456 hospices & 397 Daycares, all in a single tiny apartment in (insert blue city of choice here__________), might just provide the juice that gets the ball rolling.
Please help me understand how this works with the 16th amendment.
The 16th amendment allows the government to levy the income tax however the amendment doesn't specifically give the government the means to force the citizens to pay it. Basically, tax compliance is voluntary. IRS's job is to encourage voluntary compliance by using penalties and legal battles. Choose your battles wisely, it won't be cheap.
That's because if it specifically gave them power to enforce, it would violate the rest of the Constitution, so they are very sneaky and nefarious about how they use lawfare, etc and go about gaining compliance without statutorily requiring it. You against government, they will drain every ounce of blood out of you and do it using your taxes and everyone else's.
Russell, you are exactly correct, the government will use the power of law enforcement to put you in prison and keep everyone toeing their bullshit line.
It is a great post from Jenna, and we all need to coalesce and figure out how to fight back.
Guess what else you shouldn't be paying? Property taxes? If you are living in your home, the place where you eat, sleep, make babies, watch the lying media but you do no business out of that home, then you are not to pay a property tax. Let that sink in. I live in my home which I am buying, the county taxes me over $4g's a year. I operate no business out of my home, therefore they cannot tax me on it, yet they do... and why? Lawfare. Taxation was always only supposed to be through businesses and businesses pass that tax on to those who buy from the business, period. But because everyone has been told they will be locked up if they don't pay their property tax and because our deceitful, despicable government uses the power of law enforcement to lock us up, everyone simply toes the line because not enough of us are willing to say HELL NO, we are not paying your damn unconstitutional tax.
People who rent don't pay taxes, the person they rent from pays taxes because it is a business. This is one of many reasons they dont want you to own a home, your own property.
Let me add one other thing. they dont give a f*** about the Constitution, in fact they write laws to specifically subvert it. It's why we have the 2nd Amendment. We should use it.
If Americans truly understood their Constitutional power over government this kind of theft would not happen but it is precisely why we have a public indoctrination system... err education system... to keep us uninformed but severely indoctrinated.
It's not the legality / illegality aspect of it that concerns me. It's the goon squad that enforces the "rules" that worry me. These people take perverse pleasure in persecuting other people.
Yeah, there’s certainly THAT. Sickos, all … (double grrrrr)
Perhaps not "all" but far too many!
Exactly. I do not want the goons coming after us.
Let's create a "goon free zone". A community of harmony and peace!
Ive been working in an accounting office since 2013. The stuff I see…..😳 hardworking people owe g ridiculous taxes while out-of-work mom of four gets $20,000 tax return. The system is soooo s reward up. It’s past time for We The People to stop complying with the lunacy
GRRRRRRR!
I know, girl. It’s criminal
As a Libertarian, I’m supposed to say “Taxation is Theft” and on some level, I really believe that but my favorite Libertarians say “Taxation is Extortion”.
And as a Jenna fan, I gotta say this is extra bad ass. 🙌😘❤️🤬🍑
(What a perfect day to get back to reading Substack! 😘)
Wouldn’t it be great if every American boycotted paying their taxes this year? And use Joe’s defense? And clogged all the courts? It would be beautiful. It would be the most beautiful thing. No one would ever have seen anything so beautiful. Something to consider lol.
LingOL!
I got a huge wake up call to how zombified our country is when the ridiculous, anti science mask mandate was dreamt up. I SHOWED Covidiots the disclaimer ON THE BOX of their hallowed blue masks: “Does not prevent respiratory viruses”, “Do not use if you have a heart condition” Even “educated” doctors and nurses who, presumably, took a class in virology, dutifully strapped on a mask (later to be kept hanging from their rear view mirror and reused 🤢). I would love to be part of a Norma Rae Non Compliance movement, I just have no faith in the majority of my fellow humans. Perhaps our best chance is pushing local Governors to eliminate property tax. Could that get the camels nose under the tent?
Every candidate promises to lower them. Yet somehow they keep rising, hmmm ...
Hugely!
That would be one heck of a Class Action lawsuit.
Missed your comments!!! Hope you had a nice break. :)
Good morning. I've never heard the "shampoo" one, but of course I don't move in your societal circles. But between the IRS and state properties taxes I often do feel like we're being robbed, or pilfered, or something. I've "owned" my home for years, but let's just see what happens if I stopped paying properly taxes. Feels more like rent. And don't get me started on school taxes 🙄
Look up "no poo" (no joke). It's a whole THING. People swear that commercial shampoo strips natural oils from your scalp, which then overcompensates by producing more oil, which we then need to remove with more shampoo... I mean, it makes sense!
Ooooooo .... That's what my Hair Specialist has been talking about. Yeah she's nuts (seriously) and French Canadian. (but claims she doesn't participate in that French shaving revolt thing).
Just had to add: I’ve never in my life met a Hair Specialist who isn’t nuts 🥜 💇♀️
My niece is a Hair Specialist and she is bonkers. She also offers to color my hair for free. I tell her no thank you, I love my grey. Grey is the new purple.
Me too! #GrayAllTheWay
Right. There is even a lawsuit against a shampoo manufacturer claiming the shampoo causes hair loss. The hair loss thing doesn't make sense because once your hair is gone you have no need for shampoo. Shampoo companies putting themselves out of business?
I lived all over the country in my 20s and 30s. Just an observation. Government Services were worse in high tax states. Roads were worse, etc. Politicians should not be allowed to decide what they get paid and they shouldn’t be allowed to put the cost of their incompetence on the people. But everywhere they do.
Once again....TERM LIMITS.
Here in my town (in the city limits) the park and recreation district taxes are higher than school taxes. Add in property taxes and the number is huge.
We’re in the county and ‘just’ pay property and school taxes, about $5k a year only because our home is valued lower because we bought it 21 years ago. If we sell… oh don’t get me started. We literally can’t afford to downsize due to high prices, and don’t forget capital gains if we move to a more affordable area.
Yup... no shampoo or shower gel for many years now - just shower with warm water... and eat low carb (mostly 🤪)
And as if the taxes were not enough, they've created a system where many of us feel compelled to hire professional help just to get it right.
I'm old enough to remember Money Magazine. One annual feature used to be sending identical sets of documents to 40 or so CPAs, and asking them to complete a tax return. The incredible thing is that NEVER--NOT ONCE--did they ever get two of their highly trained CPAs to reach the same conclusion about what was owed or due as a refund. How maddening is that?
I remember that. Nobody actually knows what the regulations are or how they work. The tax code of regulations is huge. Try reading it, it takes you in circles.
The only difference between death and taxes is that death doesn’t get worse every time congress meets. Will Rogers
If fraud was magically and retroactively eliminated from government spending, the $38 Trillion deficit would not exist. Income tax could be replaced by tariff revenue. Just day dreaming…..
Or if they simply rolled the budget back to 2019 levels. But then the banks might "earn" less.
I recently mentioned to our accountant that Trump is going to get rid of income taxes. He just laughed and said that will never happen. Well, he better hope it doesn’t because he’s going to be sorry that he just expanded his office space and signed another 10 year lease.
If it weren’t for hubs, I’d be boycotting. I’ll be sending him your post Jenna!
If an employee exercises the right to opt out of paying federal income tax, they notify the employer that they are tax exempt, and the employer will lawfully not withold taxes from their paychecks. Unfortunately, the IRS can demand the employer through a "lock-in-letter" to withold taxes and pay them anyway... or else the employer is liable. We really need to get away from taxing earned income and shift it to sales taxes on certain items. That way people who can afford certain luxuries pay taxes, and those who can't, don't.
My sister’s brother-in-law decided that federal income taxes were illegal, so he stopped paying them. It worked for about three years. Then he got to spend a couple of years in federal prison, and lost his license to practice his profession. And still was required to pay all the back taxes plus penalties and interest or go back to jail. So yeah, I’m still going to file tax returns and pay the number on the bottom line because I don’t think prison would be much fun.
I do think it would make you an instant target... but that said, some folks have managed it. I think it's one of those things if you know every last in and out and cross all your Ts etc. you might get past them? IDK. I'm definitely not cut out for prison either.
Ask Wesley Snipes.
We have a friend who went to jail for the same thing. It was probably 15 years ago by the time he went. Ruined his life, home, wife, some kids, but eventually rebuilt it and remarried and is living happily in the south.
...and therein lies the rub.
I came back because I just had another thought - WHERE would the Democratic Party find money to start sending condoms to Saudi Arabia and creating USAID and other ways to spend MY MONEY if I decide I’m definitely NOT all in? Hmmmm…. oh Jenna you’ve started something here. Ok. I’ll shut up now.
I should really go through one of those courses... I do have a friend doing it... it's NOT a fleeting endeavor, that's all I know at this point!!! Like you literally have to divorce yourself from the system...
That's PRECISELY what President Trump and Scott Bessent are doing right now.
RE: The Federal (which ain't federal, it's privately owned), Reserve (ain't anything reserved there cept parking spaces) vs THE TREASURY.
This is but one glorious outcome of the Iran/Strait of Hormuz issue - it kicks the City of London (it's own 'country' within the city, with its own borders, cops, laws and rules, and even a damn wall) and the Lloyds of London squarely in the junk while simultaneously kneecapping the British Empire and their over used 'tea taxes' which have never stopped.
If America had actually won the divorce case of Britain vs USA, there would be no damn BAR (British Accreditation Registry) Association of Admiralty Law lawyers (CONTRACT LAWYERS) committing lawfare on anyone who opposes their System of Systems - income tax being only a small part of that system.
Something to think about -> do you think it fair to have some lawfully not pay income tax cuz they read and did a thing, while millions of others who did not, still legally have to pay it?
Spoiler Alert: That is NOT the way President Trump works.
Also, YUGE difference between LAWFUL (Constitutional) and LEGAL (BAR Association using LEGALESE)
Definition of legalese - take all the words known to man in the English speaking world, twist and contort them to mean absolutely nothing close to what they really do, then stir em on up in some gargantuan stew pot, and THEN serve em on up using a big ole ladle as some serious fecked up word salad that no one, not even them, can make sense of, BUT that certainly clarifies that YOU broke the law.
It tells ya so on line 1913 of amendment 4216 under subsection 392, under sub subsection of AA between sub sub subsections of AAa and CcC , paragraph 14. Clear as day even!!
Things they are a'changin.'
Rapidly.
Hang onto your bloomers cuz it's gonna be a whirlwind!
*Tips hat
Much Love
Trump needs to sign an executive order telling the IRS to stop enforcing any tax compliance rules and or laws IE they will only accept voluntary contributions. You have to starve the beast to kill it. Congress needs to repeal the 16th amendment. Let’s really fuck over the Democrats so they can’t do anything once they get back in power.
My sister told me someone on this Substack told her a while back that there is a precedent for not paying taxes, that he’s been doing it for years and it is basically un-prosecutable. Now - (NOW is the time for all good men…..) you get the point. Definitely looking into this. Thank you for the two names to begin my research, Jenna! I will keep you all posted!
If I recall correctly, Peter Schiff's father, Irving Schiff, died in prison for not paying taxes,so not everyone who's tried has beat the system. These days it is certainly tempting to opt out when you see how the government has been using our money against us, like developing Covid and then creating a massive censorship industry to prevent the spread of cures and killing people with the jab while enriching pharma.
I think Al Capone was taken down by tax evasion as well.
Damn. We paid A LOT of taxes this year because we used some of our retirement accounts to pay for a new roof. Grrrrrr..... And, of course, I paid Turbosuckx to help me fill out the Byzantine forms. Grrrrr..... But, SOMEBODY'S got fund those Quality Learing Centers.
Jenna, thank you for the most timely article….the same day our CPA informed us we owe the federal government $10,000 from 2025 because our savings earned too much interest. 😏Savings that have grown because we do not go on wild spending sprees or fancy vacations. I had heard Dinesh D’Souza’s interview with the Freedom Law School founder but had not heard of former IRS Joe Banister, so I appreciated the links.
The fact that we get taxed for SAVING is the most maddening of all!!!!!
AND... no allowance for inflation! 🤔🧐🇨🇦