Took me a second. Wasn’t sure at first if you meant tripping over the ones on the floor or the audience seeing the ones hanging down and controlling the Biden puppet’s movements.
What about the (meaningless) Oscars? What if AI Val is nominated? What category? Best Performance by a Dead (AI) Actor? Who accepts the Oscar if AI Val wins?
I don’t support Holly weird I don’t go to movies. I do not support these fake ass people their behavior is disgusting and they think their opinions matter. They need to just go away. Maybe AI should replace them and they can all get a taste of the real world for once but first they’d have to pull their heads out of their fake asses
DJL - hubs and I went to the movies almost every weekend. When I watched Mike Smith’s “Into Shadows” I said, no more. (If Angel studios does a film, I make an exception.)
Last weekend we saw “A Great Awakening”. It moved me to tears numerous times.
If memory serves me, someone else in the comments to one of Jenna’s or perhaps Jeff Childers’ posts also recommended this movie. I don’t think you will be disappointed.
Laura, thank you for the movie recommendation. I heard it discussed on some podcast but then quickly forgot about it. Agree with you about Angel movies being an exception. For us it was Dinesh D’Souza;s movies that got us to the actual theater.
"The irony is almost too perfect. An industry built entirely on illusion is drawing a moral line at illusion." Perfect summary. I don't like cartoons or animation and I doubt I would like ai acting either but probably won't ever know as I haven't gone to see anything Hollyweird puts out in years.
I loved, still do, the old cartoons, the bugs bunny, road runner, Tom and Jerry. Then the bad animation showed up. Took all the fun out of them. There are still a few newer one that were good. The animaniacs, samurai jack. But the majority now are just annoying.
Hollywood's (the entertainment industry) job is to entertain us. Whether that is with live action filming, animation, CGI or advanced AI now. What's important is whether or not the audience is actually entertained and wants to see these things.
If the movie is a bomb, will they blame it on AI instead of a real actor? The James Bond movies have done extremely well for over sixty years, in part because they do so much action and stunts as real live sets, not CGI.
The line with reality has been blurred. I don't mind it when it's openly done for entertainment. What bothers me is when it is used to have our politicians saying things they didn't actually say.
Should we be watching to see if "Val Kilmer" has extra fingers in the movie? 😇
Firefly is getting rebooted. Best show ever made. Now nearly 25 years later it is being done as animation with the original actors providing the voice work. It will be very interesting to see if they can re-create the magic or produce a bomb. Would it have been better if they went full AI with it?
Oh I hope not! If Firefly was corrupted to become a "woke" narrative then it would be a completely different show! Perhaps without it being live acting they can go even more anti-government / anti-tyranny?
This is a theme I've repeated for many years now. In 2020, our government and the media lied to us and misled us *massively*. Since then, the ability to fake voices, photos, videos has become so easy that pretty much any individual person can do it and at virtually no cost.
If even 10% of what we see and hear is fake, it throws massive distrust into our world. Humans fear the unknown, well... we've marched right into a world full of essentially "unknown". We don't know what Trump said yesterday because it *could* have been fake!
Even books... for the most part a printed book is committed to a hard, permanent version that can be critiqued, but with Kindle and e-Books can we trust that they are an accurate representation of a book that might have been published thirty years ago?
John, you raise an interesting question. "Back in the 1980s " I went to an "air show" on an AF base in Texas and saw--I couldn't believe it--an SR-71(!) spy plane sitting ("bare-a**" as we used to say, back then, in Texas) next to a U-2. We could walk right up next to the airman--with the M-16--to look at it.
Before that, it had only been a rumor. A colleague wondered out loud, "You have to wonder, if they're letting us _see_ it, WHAT ELSE do they have that's REPLACING it, because they wouldn't let the Soviets see it otherwise."
As much money as the government spends on "REE' serch", it's a good bet that It knows about tech stuff far (years) earlier than we do. All of a sudden, this "new" AI capability is making me wonder "how far back did the government realize it's utility for creating and managing narratives?" "Why, at the same moment the Citizens did," sounds too naive.
Oh I completely agree. The three letter agencies have been using this technology before the general public was aware of it.
But I don't see that as much different from manipulating the news back when we only had three networks. We have a different situation now. We have everyday people, posting on Twitter (and everywhere else) photos and videos that easily could be faked. Do we really need to take the time to carefully study each one to see if we can detect if it's fake or not?
Yes! The world has changed and I'm certainly in the "verify first" camp. Essentially I don't trust "news" until I've checked a few different sources / viewpoints and given it a bit of critical thought to see if it makes sense.
That's my first reaction. However, I'm curious to see what they produce. Using animation allows them to fit this between the series and the movie (keeping both the Book and Wash characters). It also doesn't introduce any age issues.
If the animation is excellent, then I might love it (assuming everything else is the same quality as before). But I also think it could have been done with the live actors "in the future" of the series (naturally without Book and Wash).
Yes, the whole compensation aspect is going to be interesting. How much did his family get paid for agreeing to this? Was that a small fraction of what he would have made if he was alive to do the acting?
Maybe as a byproduct of this we can see the cost of entertainment dropping?
I've gone to high school plays and watched brilliant performances by high school students. Why on Earth should we pay Tom Cruise (who I don't even think is attractive if you took him out of the setting of his movies) absurd amounts per movie?
I think the same thing about professional sports. The UFL games are just as entertaining and full of talent as NFL games. Why are UFL players paid a fraction of what an NFL player earns?
Yep, I couldn’t vote though I was leaning towards creepy, but mostly couldn’t vote because I worry that we’ll soon, if not already be unable to tell what is real from what isn’t.
I was born in 1976 but in my childhood and teenage years I LOVED old movies from the 40s and 50s (shocker, I know 😜). I was obsessed. Compared to the movies my friends were watching, these seemed so much better. More real. I had the biggest crush on Gene Kelly and William Powell. I wanted to be beautiful like Grace Kelly and Ginger Rogers. Then in my thirties I read about all the things they did to actors to make them who they were. Name changes. Dangerous weight loss methods. My innocent little heart didn’t even know they had plastic surgery in the 1940s. 😢 It’s all fake. Always has been. I still watch movies. I still watch old movies (I’ll never get enough of The Thin Man). But I’ll never get away from the fact that if it’s a famous movie, someone, somewhere sold their soul to be there. So much like famous politicians. Makes me appreciate live performances and even more.
This whole Val Kilmer thing is just par for the course in that industry.
I think I’ll have to rewatch ’Angels in the Outfield’ this weekend. Recorded it from TCM a few weekends ago. The male lead is not handsome but I totally love him. I guess some serious leading characters got away with no dieting or plastic surgery.
Ah this falls squarely in my “I don’t give a shit” bucket. You make some great points, though, of which I will be stealing and calling my own to use when my Hollywood loving/TMZ following/Celebrity quoting friends start complaining about it.
Your poll was missing the obvious option of, “Interesting, but I couldn’t give a shit.” I suspect it would have been the hands-down winner. I went for the final option of combo/other, plus which I am actually British, although unapologetically so.
Yeeeeeaaahh for me this is a line. I know so much of Hollywood and so many movies make big use of CGI - but this feels different to me. Did/would Kilmer himself want his 'likeness' to be used this way, I wonder? I have a hard time imagining an actor saying, "Yeah, if I die just...just have AI use my likeness and voice and put it in there like I actually did it, I'd rather have fake me on the screen than not be in the film at all."
Actual human emotion, actual human acting, enhanced with special effects - I'm ok with that. But just - just recreating a dead person? Let the dead lie. Get a new actor. Jeez. I wonder why his daughter said yes? My parents weren't famous, but I can't imagine saying anything other than, HELLLLLLL NO, get a new actor. ($$$? Wanting to be part of a landmark thing?)
FWIW I don't think Tilly Norwood should have an agent. I don't think AI should be cast/used in place of humans.
It doesn't make it better for me that haha, now you have to be scared for your jobs, like the rest of us - just, uuuuuuuuuuuugh on all of it. I find it deeply, DEEPLY disturbing.
According to the comments on the clip Jenna posted (and I have no idea how accurate those comments were), Val gave permission for his likeness to be used. Though whether he knew they'd do it to THIS extent isn't clear. Again, no idea if these comments are accurate or not - just something I noticed in quite a few of the comments. Most of which, I'd like to point out, were AGAINST this.
Hm, interesting. I didn't watch the clip so didn't see the comments - I just saw what Jenna wrote about family & estate agreeing to it. I'd be really surprised if an actor allowed this, but stranger things have happened.
And the award for the most realistic reincarnation of a dead person in a major role goes to….
….drum roll….
THE BIDEN “PRESIDENCY”!
Give him a hand everyone. Now let’s have his facelift doppelgänger shuffle up and say a few words. Mind the sand bags.
The Autopen is offended and would now like a word...
🤣🤣🤣
MK, Ⓘ never saw that one coming... (Have an Oscar nomination from me.)
David!!!!!!!!!!!! You're BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ok now THAT'S funny 😂
Grateful, m’lady. (Hat tip)
🤣👍🏻👍🏻🎯
You beat me to it - I was going to propose the next election be between Alexander Hamilton and Andrew Jackson!
Meddling Kid, also the black cords on the stage.😂
Took me a second. Wasn’t sure at first if you meant tripping over the ones on the floor or the audience seeing the ones hanging down and controlling the Biden puppet’s movements.
What about the (meaningless) Oscars? What if AI Val is nominated? What category? Best Performance by a Dead (AI) Actor? Who accepts the Oscar if AI Val wins?
A new Oscar category can be created: "Best Server Farm Performance".
I laughed at this even though it also horrifies me
🤣
Can computers win awards?
Can computers be made to watch the Oscars in our place?
Go for it computers! I don't watch award shows, never have, never will.
I don’t support Holly weird I don’t go to movies. I do not support these fake ass people their behavior is disgusting and they think their opinions matter. They need to just go away. Maybe AI should replace them and they can all get a taste of the real world for once but first they’d have to pull their heads out of their fake asses
DJL - hubs and I went to the movies almost every weekend. When I watched Mike Smith’s “Into Shadows” I said, no more. (If Angel studios does a film, I make an exception.)
Last weekend we saw “A Great Awakening”. It moved me to tears numerous times.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt33305882/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0_tt_3_nm_5_in_0_q_a%20gre
If memory serves me, someone else in the comments to one of Jenna’s or perhaps Jeff Childers’ posts also recommended this movie. I don’t think you will be disappointed.
Laura, thank you for the movie recommendation. I heard it discussed on some podcast but then quickly forgot about it. Agree with you about Angel movies being an exception. For us it was Dinesh D’Souza;s movies that got us to the actual theater.
“Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn!”
Award for best response.
"The irony is almost too perfect. An industry built entirely on illusion is drawing a moral line at illusion." Perfect summary. I don't like cartoons or animation and I doubt I would like ai acting either but probably won't ever know as I haven't gone to see anything Hollyweird puts out in years.
I loved, still do, the old cartoons, the bugs bunny, road runner, Tom and Jerry. Then the bad animation showed up. Took all the fun out of them. There are still a few newer one that were good. The animaniacs, samurai jack. But the majority now are just annoying.
Hollywood's (the entertainment industry) job is to entertain us. Whether that is with live action filming, animation, CGI or advanced AI now. What's important is whether or not the audience is actually entertained and wants to see these things.
If the movie is a bomb, will they blame it on AI instead of a real actor? The James Bond movies have done extremely well for over sixty years, in part because they do so much action and stunts as real live sets, not CGI.
The line with reality has been blurred. I don't mind it when it's openly done for entertainment. What bothers me is when it is used to have our politicians saying things they didn't actually say.
Should we be watching to see if "Val Kilmer" has extra fingers in the movie? 😇
Firefly is getting rebooted. Best show ever made. Now nearly 25 years later it is being done as animation with the original actors providing the voice work. It will be very interesting to see if they can re-create the magic or produce a bomb. Would it have been better if they went full AI with it?
I’m going to say no, it won’t be worth doing.
Not necessarily for the AI reasons, though that disturbs me on principle even if done imperceptibly.
It will bomb because the writing and plots will almost certainly at least lean wokeward and ruin the magic of the original series.
You can never go home again. Let good memories rest.
Oh I hope not! If Firefly was corrupted to become a "woke" narrative then it would be a completely different show! Perhaps without it being live acting they can go even more anti-government / anti-tyranny?
agreed re politicians, or anyone. I hate that we can't trust ANNNNYTHING video anymore.
This is a theme I've repeated for many years now. In 2020, our government and the media lied to us and misled us *massively*. Since then, the ability to fake voices, photos, videos has become so easy that pretty much any individual person can do it and at virtually no cost.
If even 10% of what we see and hear is fake, it throws massive distrust into our world. Humans fear the unknown, well... we've marched right into a world full of essentially "unknown". We don't know what Trump said yesterday because it *could* have been fake!
Even books... for the most part a printed book is committed to a hard, permanent version that can be critiqued, but with Kindle and e-Books can we trust that they are an accurate representation of a book that might have been published thirty years ago?
John, you raise an interesting question. "Back in the 1980s " I went to an "air show" on an AF base in Texas and saw--I couldn't believe it--an SR-71(!) spy plane sitting ("bare-a**" as we used to say, back then, in Texas) next to a U-2. We could walk right up next to the airman--with the M-16--to look at it.
Before that, it had only been a rumor. A colleague wondered out loud, "You have to wonder, if they're letting us _see_ it, WHAT ELSE do they have that's REPLACING it, because they wouldn't let the Soviets see it otherwise."
As much money as the government spends on "REE' serch", it's a good bet that It knows about tech stuff far (years) earlier than we do. All of a sudden, this "new" AI capability is making me wonder "how far back did the government realize it's utility for creating and managing narratives?" "Why, at the same moment the Citizens did," sounds too naive.
Oh I completely agree. The three letter agencies have been using this technology before the general public was aware of it.
But I don't see that as much different from manipulating the news back when we only had three networks. We have a different situation now. We have everyday people, posting on Twitter (and everywhere else) photos and videos that easily could be faked. Do we really need to take the time to carefully study each one to see if we can detect if it's fake or not?
Trust but verify has turned into verify first, then serve a huge grain of salt to anything you trust.
Yes! The world has changed and I'm certainly in the "verify first" camp. Essentially I don't trust "news" until I've checked a few different sources / viewpoints and given it a bit of critical thought to see if it makes sense.
I wish the Firefly actors would have done a live, not animation reboot.
That's my first reaction. However, I'm curious to see what they produce. Using animation allows them to fit this between the series and the movie (keeping both the Book and Wash characters). It also doesn't introduce any age issues.
If the animation is excellent, then I might love it (assuming everything else is the same quality as before). But I also think it could have been done with the live actors "in the future" of the series (naturally without Book and Wash).
Boo-hoo. I would tell Hollywood to learn to code, except AI already beat them there too.
I got nothin’ 🤷♀️.
I was just thinking the same thing! Bamn 🔥💥
Carry on, folks. Sorry for the inconvenience 😂🤯😎
I'm kind of curious what the other actors in the movie thought of it?
John Wright, I wonder what the live actors thought about how much the dead guy was being paid compared to what they signed on for?
Yes, the whole compensation aspect is going to be interesting. How much did his family get paid for agreeing to this? Was that a small fraction of what he would have made if he was alive to do the acting?
Maybe as a byproduct of this we can see the cost of entertainment dropping?
I've gone to high school plays and watched brilliant performances by high school students. Why on Earth should we pay Tom Cruise (who I don't even think is attractive if you took him out of the setting of his movies) absurd amounts per movie?
I think the same thing about professional sports. The UFL games are just as entertaining and full of talent as NFL games. Why are UFL players paid a fraction of what an NFL player earns?
yes. me too, definitely
Same…let the box office decide.
Otherwise, who cares?
Nard, with AI, that's PLENTY to start with...
I guess my meaning got lost. Jenna said it all. I have nothing of consequence to add :)
Yep, I couldn’t vote though I was leaning towards creepy, but mostly couldn’t vote because I worry that we’ll soon, if not already be unable to tell what is real from what isn’t.
I was born in 1976 but in my childhood and teenage years I LOVED old movies from the 40s and 50s (shocker, I know 😜). I was obsessed. Compared to the movies my friends were watching, these seemed so much better. More real. I had the biggest crush on Gene Kelly and William Powell. I wanted to be beautiful like Grace Kelly and Ginger Rogers. Then in my thirties I read about all the things they did to actors to make them who they were. Name changes. Dangerous weight loss methods. My innocent little heart didn’t even know they had plastic surgery in the 1940s. 😢 It’s all fake. Always has been. I still watch movies. I still watch old movies (I’ll never get enough of The Thin Man). But I’ll never get away from the fact that if it’s a famous movie, someone, somewhere sold their soul to be there. So much like famous politicians. Makes me appreciate live performances and even more.
This whole Val Kilmer thing is just par for the course in that industry.
As always, this and you are bad ass. 😘🤬🍑
"I’ll never get away from the fact that if it’s a famous movie, someone, somewhere sold their soul to be there."
THIS.
I think I’ll have to rewatch ’Angels in the Outfield’ this weekend. Recorded it from TCM a few weekends ago. The male lead is not handsome but I totally love him. I guess some serious leading characters got away with no dieting or plastic surgery.
Ah this falls squarely in my “I don’t give a shit” bucket. You make some great points, though, of which I will be stealing and calling my own to use when my Hollywood loving/TMZ following/Celebrity quoting friends start complaining about it.
I’ll direct your attention to the fact that there are no trademark TM or copyright circle-C symbols after anyone’s comments here. 👍🏻😁
Meddling Kid, ~you~ should consider copyrighting yours. (Still shaking from that Biden observation...)
For your convenience: Ⓒ.
I answer to a higher power than the Academy or the Guild. I am here for the people.
But dang, even I just violated copyright, just like the Dems tried to.
Call Morgan and Morgan, For the People, dot com.
Imagine caring what anyone associated with Hollywood thinks.
I thought these days most actors appear dead anyways.
Your poll was missing the obvious option of, “Interesting, but I couldn’t give a shit.” I suspect it would have been the hands-down winner. I went for the final option of combo/other, plus which I am actually British, although unapologetically so.
Just a little spoiler alert from another perspective; we (humans) are living in a virtual reality, a movie, an illusion of our own making.
Let that seed settle into your garden.
This sums it up: "now we’re replacing dead people who once pretended to be other people with… actual pretend people. Obviously, we’ve gone too far. "
Yeeeeeaaahh for me this is a line. I know so much of Hollywood and so many movies make big use of CGI - but this feels different to me. Did/would Kilmer himself want his 'likeness' to be used this way, I wonder? I have a hard time imagining an actor saying, "Yeah, if I die just...just have AI use my likeness and voice and put it in there like I actually did it, I'd rather have fake me on the screen than not be in the film at all."
Actual human emotion, actual human acting, enhanced with special effects - I'm ok with that. But just - just recreating a dead person? Let the dead lie. Get a new actor. Jeez. I wonder why his daughter said yes? My parents weren't famous, but I can't imagine saying anything other than, HELLLLLLL NO, get a new actor. ($$$? Wanting to be part of a landmark thing?)
FWIW I don't think Tilly Norwood should have an agent. I don't think AI should be cast/used in place of humans.
It doesn't make it better for me that haha, now you have to be scared for your jobs, like the rest of us - just, uuuuuuuuuuuugh on all of it. I find it deeply, DEEPLY disturbing.
“…I wonder why his daughter said yes?” Greed.
$🎯,🎯🎯🎯,🎯🎯🎯
According to the comments on the clip Jenna posted (and I have no idea how accurate those comments were), Val gave permission for his likeness to be used. Though whether he knew they'd do it to THIS extent isn't clear. Again, no idea if these comments are accurate or not - just something I noticed in quite a few of the comments. Most of which, I'd like to point out, were AGAINST this.
Hm, interesting. I didn't watch the clip so didn't see the comments - I just saw what Jenna wrote about family & estate agreeing to it. I'd be really surprised if an actor allowed this, but stranger things have happened.