The haters took over Chinada well over a decade ago and the entire country is now a cess pool of hate, out of control open borders and immigration, crime, drugs, gangs and an economy teetering on a full face plant.
Perhaps Michael Moore and his posse of America Haters would like me to set up a GOFUNDME Express to CHINADA!
Michael Moore is a world-class moron. He originated the campaign against "fat-shaming" and is proud of his obesity. Moore is also an originalist for Hating America. So it is actually unsurprising that he is embracing Iran, which is no longer Persia because the religious zealots conquered secular Persia and replaced that country and all its accomplishments with a religio-fascist terrorist state. Iran is actually a very good warning for the West what can happen when a successful older culture allows itself to be captured by theocrats. Islam is taking over the West. We have been warned.
Hahahah 💯 THIS: “It turns out being the global superpower is like being the mom on a family vacation: everyone rolls their eyes at you, questions your decisions, and still expects you to have snacks, directions, and a backup plan at all times.”
Greatest country on earth obviously. Idiots can rant against our country with zero consequences, and we are able to keep multiple firearms in our houses in the event that our government decides to try to come get us for said ranting.
That's right! Michael Moore has every right to demonstrate that he is a world-class dim-witted, kindergarten-level, walking, talking, snot-nosed goober with ears. And his feet probably smell like pig manure.
Remember when the Democrats all at once started calling JD Vance weird. Weird was the assigned word and they used it. In every interview, every democrat politician and paid activist called him weird. This is the same, except everyone today is cashing big fat checks for their time and effort. None of these people, these “influencers”, are independent thinkers. They are all selected, bought and paid for, and their “thoughts” are scripted by their benefactors. Soros, Koch, Rothschild, CCP, Qatar, City of London, and any other globalist entity seeking to end MAGA and bring the USA back into the globalist Obama-Biden fold. And those big checks they’re cashing will allow them to not be impacted by the damage they cause. Don’t be swayed.
Alex Jones, Alex Stein, Ana Kasparian, Ann Coulter, Ann Vandersteel, Benny Johnson, Brandon Straka, Bret Weinstein, Brian Glenn, Brit Hume, Candace Owens, Cenk Uygur, Dave Smith, Emerald Robinson, Enrico Tarrio, George Webb, Glenn Greenwald, Grace Chong, HealthRanger, HodgeTwins, Ian Carroll, Ian Miles Cheong, Ivan Raiklin, Jack Posobiec, Jeff Carlson, Jesse Kelly, Jesse Ventura, Jake Shields, Joe Kent, Joe Rogan, Jon Herold, Jordan Sather, JP Sears, Julie Kelly, Lara Logan, Laura Loomer, Lauren Boebert, Lisa Mei, Liz Crokin, Mario Nawfal, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Mark Mitchell, Matt Gaetz, Matt Walsh, Matthew Tyrmand, Megyn Kelly, Michael Flynn, Michael Flynn Jr., Mike Cernovich, Miles Guo, Milo Yiannopoulos, MJTruth, Myron Gaines, Nick Fuentes, Nick Sortor, Owen Shroyer, Patrick Byrne, Raheem Kassam, Rand Paul, Ron Paul, Richard Baris, Robert Barnes, Savannah Hernandez, Shannon Bream, Shawn Ryan,
I've followed Tierney for a long time, and she sometimes has good information, but the fact is that she's a fanatical Trump supporter that is blind to anything that doesn't parrot him. She's gone so far (so far gone?) as to support OWS and the Covid jabs, which is a bridge too far for me. As Jenna recently pointed out, we can support Trump without supporting absolutely everything he does. The same can be said of Tierney's blacklist. I'm familiar with most of those names, and they do a lot of good work. The day we start down that purity spiral is the beginning of the end.
Just last night I watched a podcast by Aaron Siri with Jessica Sutta, of the band, Pussycat Dolls. (She's Vaxx injured and lost her mom to the jab, and is now involved with React 19, an advocacy group.) She's intelligent and passionate, but she's also a big LGBT advocate, which almost lost me as soon as she breached the subject, but I persevered. Eat the meat; spit out the bones...
Good point, there should be room on disagreement. I don’t listen to any of them, but I like Teirney’s take on what’s going on and the list was compiled by someone else who has been watching. I included the list as a “heads up.” I am unsubscribing from a few others that aren’t ringing true in this sloppy-crazy time. Or I’m just tired of. Cheers!
Absolutely! That’s where our desernment comes in…one of the big ways “they “ keep us confused and down “rabbit holes” to drain our energy and get us to believe “everything is a lie”( could be) is this. Feed us enough truths,then,stick in enough “not truths “ to make sure we stay off the correct track. To keep us unbalanced. It’s quite effective,and,learning to trust our desernment, is not easy.
When you tick off the names of other countries in your head, there simply is not another one that comes to mind I'd prefer over the US, because we have that awesome Constitution and it's Amendments to protect us. Yeah, Evil walked among us during covid, as just one example, but the truth is winning as it always does.
I remember a very liberal friend saying over and over how she REALLY needed to move to Sweden because they REALLY had it together with free healthcare,and,no homeless,etc…She never moved there . Of course,we know Sweden is NOT the idyllic country she thinks…
I've actually lived in 5 other countries and visited 25. There is no place on earth like the USA and in all the countries I lived in and most of the ones I visited, we are the envy of the world. For exactly what many take for granted, our freedom to criticise our government without consequence. I still have friends from some of those countries and they cannot believe what is going on here that idiots don't realize how fantastic they have it. And all of them are ecstatic about what Trump did in Iran too. Great article!
Thank you for weighing in, Heather! I have lived in two other countries and traveled to 20+ and my experiences mirror yours, 100%! As a result of a semester abroad to complete the MBA program, I made friends from no less than 15 countries. I was one of three Americans in the program and to say that I was "popular," would be an understatement. Not because I am such an amazing intellect or a bedazzling personality, but because I was/am an AMERICAN! I represented the freedom of choice and a land where hope was still a belief. We can fight for our rights, most cannot!
Yes, exactly. Once in Ireland I noted to the hotel manager that we were behind on the card chip thing when my visa wouldn't work on their machine. (they had chips in mastercard/visa long before we did) Laughing, he said "That might be the only thing America is not best in the world at. Truly, you guys rock!" And right now a bunch of my European friends are in awe of President Trump for rescuing the pilots. As am I. 💕
“I’m not saying that the United States is a stellar example of geopolitical virtue. (Please read that sentence again before scrambling to the comments to call me a moron.)”
Jenna is about as far as you can get from being a "moron". Jenna is awesome in writing entertaining articles that can inspire true thinking not just knee jerk reactions!
It makes my head explode when I realize that the haters are all well-to-do and mostly highly educated. They had access to all that opportunity right here in the place they despise.
If you answered anything but, "the greatest country on Earth," then I know you were most definitely born on USA soil. I know this because no naturalized citizen or immigrant of any sort, (colour, race, ethnicity, nationality, religious belief, etc., etc., etc.) that is fortunate enough to have planted their feet in this blessed soil would say anything different!
Becoming a naturalized citizen of the USA was a monumental day in the life of KatWarrior; right up there with marrying my Hubs and giving birth to our beautiful son.
To all those who believe this country is bad, I say take a look around and do a serious personal inventory before purchasing a ticket to a REALLY awful place! I would be happy to contribute or set up a GOFUNDME to remove your sorry arse from this hellhole!
I'm there with you. Those hating America, please post your GoFundMe for tickets to wherever so I can contribute. My SIL is a naturalized citizen, a great husband and father and I don't see him returning to his home country to live anytime soon.
As a retired teacher, you forgot dumbing down our curriculum to make everyone, parents & students feel good. No one can have their feelings hurt! When they are not critically thinking, fill their heads with privilege guilt, climate change, America is bad….tada the next generation of Michael d***che canoe Moores!
I agree with you that woke, me first indoctrination is destroying youth in this country. BUT......not teaching the history of geopolitics is also a big failure. Read John Perkins's book "Confessions of and Economic Hitman".
Those who stress how much they love our country and would never want to live elsewhere may be to young to realize how much better our country was not all that long ago. And I maintain that it's OK to live in a great country and want it to be better.
That said, you made a lot of great points about how one sided much of the current criticism is, and that FIRST PARAGRAPH? Pure comedy gold!
PS Is it my imagination, or are the comments today (not mine, and not just those I tend to agree with) even better than usual?
I might agree with you but lately I have taken to blocking those bots that hate everything so, my view is actually that the comments, wherever I read them, are pretty good.
Sure, easy peasy. Click on the commentors name, that will take you to their profile. From there click on the 3 dots to the right of their name and you can block or mute them. Block is my preference.
Great to know! Not so much for here, but for another substack I read where many reflexively attack the author daily, but rarely manage to build an argument contrary to the author’s post.
One of the most important distinctions to make when talking about nations is the difference between the people vs the government. We can love America (our culture, our ideals, our neighbors... well, some of them anyway) and at the same time be disgusted by our government's actions.
What is truly horrifying is to realize the government is made up of us... we the citizens (okay, the scum of the Earth citizens but still, fellow humans).
I see two solutions: Americans require an honest education in the nuts and bolts of American government, as in how the Constitution works, and more people need to understand the importance of voting. I have college educated friends who don't know the first thing about the differences between the House and Senate. And they don't know the names of any of the people who were elected either to represent them in the Senate, or who represents their district in the Hose.
Our founding history consists of so many difficult challenges that it's amazing we ended up with the Constitution. John Adams once observed that one third of the population supported the Revolution, one third either didn't know about it or didn't care (think pioneers who lived in places that weren't even territories yet) and one third opposed it.
Yes! But how many of our citizens are completely unaware of this?
A population is never a singular consensus, different groups have very different outlooks. As we "police" the world, consider the radical idea of what if the British should rightfully have been the police of the world in 1776? Would it be okay for them to use military force to impose their opinions and culture (and taxes) on the rest of the world?
The British empire pillaged countries around the world for centuries. Now the US has taken that mantle in the last 75 years. Unfortunately many Americans don't understand that our high standard of living, like the British empire of previous centuries comes at the expense of billions of poor people around the world. The failure of our education system to teach this history is why so many of the comments here miss the mark.
Wealth is relative. There are two ways that standard of living can improve:
Technological advances - requires a source of energy. Life has "improved" (in the general sense) due to better and better sources of energy (human muscle -> animal muscle -> burning wood -> burning coal -> burning oil -> nuclear reactions, ect)
Exploitation - one group of humans benefits at the expense of another group of humans.
One advance that humanity doesn't really understand or know how to use is simulated intelligence (AI). This is a powerful tool but we are drowning in hype and misinformation.
Michael Moore and his ilk really need reeducation. They need to go live in Beijing or Tehran or Moscow for a year or two. Then come on home and tell us what a dreadful place America is. No country with a government is going to be perfect, but when has perfection been the standard? Ask the folks living under the current regime in Iran. They’ll tell you they are NOT living in Persia, but in a cruel and hate filled replacement of an old and illustrious civilization.
The surveys says........America is the greatest country on Earth say 47%. Jenna, I've followed you for a while and mostly agree with your positions and framing. However, Here I must disagree, strongly. The thrust of my argument is this. Historic time matters. The United States, SINCE WWII has been the one global hegemonic power, and we've exerted that power around the globe through wars, regime change and other methods to extract resources from other countries, to improve our standard of living. And it been to the detriment of millions, perhaps billions of people around the world. Read John Perkins "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" for a better understanding of how we've done this.Regarding Iran, how many of your readers know the history of our involvement in Iran when we overthrew a democratically elected leader, Mossadeq in 1953. bc he dared to nationalize their oil. Billy Joel was wrong, we DID start the fire, at least there, and in many other countries around the world, Libya, Iraq Chile, Venezuela to name a few others, courtesy of our former great leaders, D & R both. So Trump is NOT a singular evil. But let's not frame this war as America good Iran bad, as it seems you are trying to do here to justify Trumps actions.
Appreciate the input, sincerely. My point wasn’t “America good, Iran bad.” It was pushing back on the hero/victim narrative that flips the script so completely that one side becomes the sole villain and the other gets a moral glow-up. Two things can be true at once: the U.S. has done some seriously ugly things, and that still doesn’t magically make the current Iranian regime the good guy--which is essentially what Moore was saying (and the impetus for this post).
Point taken. I used to be a fan of Moore and still love his early documentaries and I here you. Unfortunately, from a few of the comments on this thread, "some" believe in the black and white view of America #1 and Iran the worst evil on the planet. This does NOTHING to further understanding of the complexities of geopolitics. Thank you Jenna.
Fair enough. I'll await her response here. That wasn't my takeaway but I'm open to the discussion. That IS one thing that STILL makes this country great......except that it's slowly being taken away from us. The covid era showed us all here that it can be taken away if we are not vigilant. Kudos to Matt Tiabbi and journalists like him for speaking truth to power.
Iran’s government is quite possibly the most evil regime on the globe as many of its citizens have learned the hard way. If America doesn’t clear the way for the Iranians to take back their country from the death cult running things, that will be tragic. I’m comfortable framing this as “America good” because “Death to America” is “Iran bad.”
Maybe we should let the Iranian people decide. Once we start intervening in other countries affairs, where does it stop? And BTW, Saudi Arabia and other "oil rich" Middle East states who WE support are NO shining beacons of freedom either. Just a thought. Thanks.
The Iranian people are ecstatic over America trying to destroy this regime. Do you think the tens of thousands of protestors who died did so because they approve of the Iranian government?
Donna I bet you know nothing about Iran that you have not read or listened to in mainstream propaganda. Why don't you read a real book about Iran like "Going to Iran"?
Islam is a cancer. But is Saudi Arabia’s official position “death to America”? No, it is not. And if America does this right, the Iranian people WILL get to decide. Of course, tens of thousands of them have already been murdered but better late than never.
No, Islam is NOT a cancer. I'm sure many around the world say Christianity is a cancer. Neither are true. Your words do nothing to help foster harmony, IMHO. Peace to you though.
I have more than a half dozen muslim friends who grew up in Iran, some of whom choose to wear the hijab (when out in public), and two of whom have returned to live near their close-knit families in Iran. I’ve attended wonderful gatherings in their homes. They strongly disagree with the description that Iran’s government as “quite possibly the most evil regime on the globe” or that it’s a “death cult”. They would also say that “Death to America” is not an accurate characterization of the sentiment or the government’s actions in Iran.
As I understand it, Iran’s government is nowhere near as oppressive as the government of North Korea, or the government of China, or many other countries.
I’m grateful to Tucker Carlson for his interviews and monologues that explain the problems in the U.S.’s Middle East narratives and transgressions.
I guess we know different Iranians. So your friends are fine with tens of thousands of regime protesters being slaughtered, with the internet being cut off, with women being beaten in the streets for a stray hair, for the urging of children to plant themselves at military targets and sacrifice their lives? Perhaps, then, your friends are those muslims benefitting from this regime, as evidenced by the fact they've come and gone freely. Also please don't gaslight us all. We know what "death to America" means, even if Tucker Carlson does not.
Yes! Thank you John. Nor is America the same country that fought Germany and Japan in the 1910's & 1940's. My grandfather and father both fought in WWI and WWII and were proud of their country then. I don't think they would today, may they rest in peace.
There is a world of difference between our founding concepts and our fundamental beliefs vs the actions of our overgrown and corrupt current government. By "current" I'm including at least the past sixty years.
Agreed. Our founding fathers, despite their faults "conceived" a great idea in the United States of America. I'm proud to have grown up here. But that privilege also bestows on me the requirement, as I think Edmund Burke said: "the price of liberty is eternal vigilance".
Yes, we should not worship the founding fathers like gods. However the founding fathers gave serious thought to serious challenges and did the best they could and formed a fantastic foundation for a nation. Unfortunately, 250 years later that foundation is cracking and crumbling.
I don’t see any posturing here from Jenna to “try and justify Trumps actions.” Seriously, all I see is calling out truth - America IS still the best country in the world, as proved by absolutely everyone in brutal regimes trying to get asylum here, and contrasting that to a regime that massacred 42,000 of protestors against that regime. As late as 10 days ago they still publicly hanged 2 protestors. Yes - AMERICA ROCKS!
Marlene, if you are referring to the so-called massacred "protesters" in Iran, you are mistaken. That was all propaganda by the evil US regime which funded the Israelis and CIA who bribed and armed criminals to kill the vast majority of those people including police and firemen. This was a lie fomented by the CIA & MSM.
I mean this in the most sincere way possible: God help us if these haters get back into power.
Amen, Mary.
The haters took over Chinada well over a decade ago and the entire country is now a cess pool of hate, out of control open borders and immigration, crime, drugs, gangs and an economy teetering on a full face plant.
Perhaps Michael Moore and his posse of America Haters would like me to set up a GOFUNDME Express to CHINADA!
And,never forget the poor Canadian ostriches! Heartbreak upon heartbreak,that one.
Michael Moore is a world-class moron. He originated the campaign against "fat-shaming" and is proud of his obesity. Moore is also an originalist for Hating America. So it is actually unsurprising that he is embracing Iran, which is no longer Persia because the religious zealots conquered secular Persia and replaced that country and all its accomplishments with a religio-fascist terrorist state. Iran is actually a very good warning for the West what can happen when a successful older culture allows itself to be captured by theocrats. Islam is taking over the West. We have been warned.
New York City is the barometer. 👍
Amen Mary Ann.
Hahahah 💯 THIS: “It turns out being the global superpower is like being the mom on a family vacation: everyone rolls their eyes at you, questions your decisions, and still expects you to have snacks, directions, and a backup plan at all times.”
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That line was absolute perfection.
LOVED that one too!!! 😂
I thought I was the only one that came back exhausted from vacations because of this. Perfect analogy.
Greatest country on earth obviously. Idiots can rant against our country with zero consequences, and we are able to keep multiple firearms in our houses in the event that our government decides to try to come get us for said ranting.
That's right! Michael Moore has every right to demonstrate that he is a world-class dim-witted, kindergarten-level, walking, talking, snot-nosed goober with ears. And his feet probably smell like pig manure.
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Remember when the Democrats all at once started calling JD Vance weird. Weird was the assigned word and they used it. In every interview, every democrat politician and paid activist called him weird. This is the same, except everyone today is cashing big fat checks for their time and effort. None of these people, these “influencers”, are independent thinkers. They are all selected, bought and paid for, and their “thoughts” are scripted by their benefactors. Soros, Koch, Rothschild, CCP, Qatar, City of London, and any other globalist entity seeking to end MAGA and bring the USA back into the globalist Obama-Biden fold. And those big checks they’re cashing will allow them to not be impacted by the damage they cause. Don’t be swayed.
Here is a list of influencers who may not have our interests at heart. From Tierneys Real News. Today.
https://tierneyrealnewsnetwork.substack.com/p/influencers?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=728707&post_id=193712362&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=2o19yg&triedRedirect=true&
Some I unsubscribed to long ago.
Alex Jones, Alex Stein, Ana Kasparian, Ann Coulter, Ann Vandersteel, Benny Johnson, Brandon Straka, Bret Weinstein, Brian Glenn, Brit Hume, Candace Owens, Cenk Uygur, Dave Smith, Emerald Robinson, Enrico Tarrio, George Webb, Glenn Greenwald, Grace Chong, HealthRanger, HodgeTwins, Ian Carroll, Ian Miles Cheong, Ivan Raiklin, Jack Posobiec, Jeff Carlson, Jesse Kelly, Jesse Ventura, Jake Shields, Joe Kent, Joe Rogan, Jon Herold, Jordan Sather, JP Sears, Julie Kelly, Lara Logan, Laura Loomer, Lauren Boebert, Lisa Mei, Liz Crokin, Mario Nawfal, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Mark Mitchell, Matt Gaetz, Matt Walsh, Matthew Tyrmand, Megyn Kelly, Michael Flynn, Michael Flynn Jr., Mike Cernovich, Miles Guo, Milo Yiannopoulos, MJTruth, Myron Gaines, Nick Fuentes, Nick Sortor, Owen Shroyer, Patrick Byrne, Raheem Kassam, Rand Paul, Ron Paul, Richard Baris, Robert Barnes, Savannah Hernandez, Shannon Bream, Shawn Ryan,
I've followed Tierney for a long time, and she sometimes has good information, but the fact is that she's a fanatical Trump supporter that is blind to anything that doesn't parrot him. She's gone so far (so far gone?) as to support OWS and the Covid jabs, which is a bridge too far for me. As Jenna recently pointed out, we can support Trump without supporting absolutely everything he does. The same can be said of Tierney's blacklist. I'm familiar with most of those names, and they do a lot of good work. The day we start down that purity spiral is the beginning of the end.
Just last night I watched a podcast by Aaron Siri with Jessica Sutta, of the band, Pussycat Dolls. (She's Vaxx injured and lost her mom to the jab, and is now involved with React 19, an advocacy group.) She's intelligent and passionate, but she's also a big LGBT advocate, which almost lost me as soon as she breached the subject, but I persevered. Eat the meat; spit out the bones...
"Eat the meat spit out the bones", I might have to co-opt that little nugget.
Picked it up in Bible study. Some Christians love the purity spiral.... 😉
Good point, there should be room on disagreement. I don’t listen to any of them, but I like Teirney’s take on what’s going on and the list was compiled by someone else who has been watching. I included the list as a “heads up.” I am unsubscribing from a few others that aren’t ringing true in this sloppy-crazy time. Or I’m just tired of. Cheers!
Tucker Carlson on that list?
Yes. Candace, etc.
Absolutely! That’s where our desernment comes in…one of the big ways “they “ keep us confused and down “rabbit holes” to drain our energy and get us to believe “everything is a lie”( could be) is this. Feed us enough truths,then,stick in enough “not truths “ to make sure we stay off the correct track. To keep us unbalanced. It’s quite effective,and,learning to trust our desernment, is not easy.
Some of those names actually made me chuckle when I thought about what knuckleheads they are.
Thanks, Janet! I was not aware of Tierneys Real News. Appreciate the link!
I’m kind of glad there is no comment space on the stack.
Excellent. Has a website listed too.
Wow that is a huge list. Yes, some of those I followed for a while and then realized a flip in tone.
Yes. On Matt Walsh’s I did. Just a spidey sense. Although I listen once in a while. I’ve got too many places I go as it is, and I’m retired!
You nailed it! Again! My sentiments exactly! I love our country and wouldn’t want to live anywhere else.
When you tick off the names of other countries in your head, there simply is not another one that comes to mind I'd prefer over the US, because we have that awesome Constitution and it's Amendments to protect us. Yeah, Evil walked among us during covid, as just one example, but the truth is winning as it always does.
You're right, of course. And imagine if the constitution and amendments were actually applied day to day!
Wouldn't that be wonderful!
I remember a very liberal friend saying over and over how she REALLY needed to move to Sweden because they REALLY had it together with free healthcare,and,no homeless,etc…She never moved there . Of course,we know Sweden is NOT the idyllic country she thinks…
Exactly!
It isn’t perfect but Ronald Reagan said it best :
If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth.”
Amen, AGAIN! Where in GOD's good name would you go????!!!!
The Falkland Islands, oops, even that is not a sure thing. See 1982.
I've actually lived in 5 other countries and visited 25. There is no place on earth like the USA and in all the countries I lived in and most of the ones I visited, we are the envy of the world. For exactly what many take for granted, our freedom to criticise our government without consequence. I still have friends from some of those countries and they cannot believe what is going on here that idiots don't realize how fantastic they have it. And all of them are ecstatic about what Trump did in Iran too. Great article!
Thank you for weighing in, Heather! I have lived in two other countries and traveled to 20+ and my experiences mirror yours, 100%! As a result of a semester abroad to complete the MBA program, I made friends from no less than 15 countries. I was one of three Americans in the program and to say that I was "popular," would be an understatement. Not because I am such an amazing intellect or a bedazzling personality, but because I was/am an AMERICAN! I represented the freedom of choice and a land where hope was still a belief. We can fight for our rights, most cannot!
Yes, exactly. Once in Ireland I noted to the hotel manager that we were behind on the card chip thing when my visa wouldn't work on their machine. (they had chips in mastercard/visa long before we did) Laughing, he said "That might be the only thing America is not best in the world at. Truly, you guys rock!" And right now a bunch of my European friends are in awe of President Trump for rescuing the pilots. As am I. 💕
“I’m not saying that the United States is a stellar example of geopolitical virtue. (Please read that sentence again before scrambling to the comments to call me a moron.)”
PLEASE! Do not call our Jenna a moron…
Jenna is about as far as you can get from being a "moron". Jenna is awesome in writing entertaining articles that can inspire true thinking not just knee jerk reactions!
Roger that.
It makes my head explode when I realize that the haters are all well-to-do and mostly highly educated. They had access to all that opportunity right here in the place they despise.
They are the most vulnerable, interestingly. If their system
fails, they fail. They will go to great lengths to save their superior image. Luckily Trump is pulling the curtain back.
Yes, most vulnerable to cognitive dissonance.
If you answered anything but, "the greatest country on Earth," then I know you were most definitely born on USA soil. I know this because no naturalized citizen or immigrant of any sort, (colour, race, ethnicity, nationality, religious belief, etc., etc., etc.) that is fortunate enough to have planted their feet in this blessed soil would say anything different!
Becoming a naturalized citizen of the USA was a monumental day in the life of KatWarrior; right up there with marrying my Hubs and giving birth to our beautiful son.
To all those who believe this country is bad, I say take a look around and do a serious personal inventory before purchasing a ticket to a REALLY awful place! I would be happy to contribute or set up a GOFUNDME to remove your sorry arse from this hellhole!
I'm there with you. Those hating America, please post your GoFundMe for tickets to wherever so I can contribute. My SIL is a naturalized citizen, a great husband and father and I don't see him returning to his home country to live anytime soon.
As a retired teacher, you forgot dumbing down our curriculum to make everyone, parents & students feel good. No one can have their feelings hurt! When they are not critically thinking, fill their heads with privilege guilt, climate change, America is bad….tada the next generation of Michael d***che canoe Moores!
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I agree with you that woke, me first indoctrination is destroying youth in this country. BUT......not teaching the history of geopolitics is also a big failure. Read John Perkins's book "Confessions of and Economic Hitman".
Those who stress how much they love our country and would never want to live elsewhere may be to young to realize how much better our country was not all that long ago. And I maintain that it's OK to live in a great country and want it to be better.
That said, you made a lot of great points about how one sided much of the current criticism is, and that FIRST PARAGRAPH? Pure comedy gold!
PS Is it my imagination, or are the comments today (not mine, and not just those I tend to agree with) even better than usual?
I might agree with you but lately I have taken to blocking those bots that hate everything so, my view is actually that the comments, wherever I read them, are pretty good.
Wow! Are you saying that you can block indidual's comments from showing in your feed?
Sure, easy peasy. Click on the commentors name, that will take you to their profile. From there click on the 3 dots to the right of their name and you can block or mute them. Block is my preference.
Great to know! Not so much for here, but for another substack I read where many reflexively attack the author daily, but rarely manage to build an argument contrary to the author’s post.
One of the most important distinctions to make when talking about nations is the difference between the people vs the government. We can love America (our culture, our ideals, our neighbors... well, some of them anyway) and at the same time be disgusted by our government's actions.
What is truly horrifying is to realize the government is made up of us... we the citizens (okay, the scum of the Earth citizens but still, fellow humans).
I see two solutions: Americans require an honest education in the nuts and bolts of American government, as in how the Constitution works, and more people need to understand the importance of voting. I have college educated friends who don't know the first thing about the differences between the House and Senate. And they don't know the names of any of the people who were elected either to represent them in the Senate, or who represents their district in the Hose.
Education, not indoctrination!
History is worth studying, especially the founding of our country.
Our founding history consists of so many difficult challenges that it's amazing we ended up with the Constitution. John Adams once observed that one third of the population supported the Revolution, one third either didn't know about it or didn't care (think pioneers who lived in places that weren't even territories yet) and one third opposed it.
Yes! But how many of our citizens are completely unaware of this?
A population is never a singular consensus, different groups have very different outlooks. As we "police" the world, consider the radical idea of what if the British should rightfully have been the police of the world in 1776? Would it be okay for them to use military force to impose their opinions and culture (and taxes) on the rest of the world?
The British empire pillaged countries around the world for centuries. Now the US has taken that mantle in the last 75 years. Unfortunately many Americans don't understand that our high standard of living, like the British empire of previous centuries comes at the expense of billions of poor people around the world. The failure of our education system to teach this history is why so many of the comments here miss the mark.
Wealth is relative. There are two ways that standard of living can improve:
Technological advances - requires a source of energy. Life has "improved" (in the general sense) due to better and better sources of energy (human muscle -> animal muscle -> burning wood -> burning coal -> burning oil -> nuclear reactions, ect)
Exploitation - one group of humans benefits at the expense of another group of humans.
One advance that humanity doesn't really understand or know how to use is simulated intelligence (AI). This is a powerful tool but we are drowning in hype and misinformation.
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Michael Moore and his ilk really need reeducation. They need to go live in Beijing or Tehran or Moscow for a year or two. Then come on home and tell us what a dreadful place America is. No country with a government is going to be perfect, but when has perfection been the standard? Ask the folks living under the current regime in Iran. They’ll tell you they are NOT living in Persia, but in a cruel and hate filled replacement of an old and illustrious civilization.
The surveys says........America is the greatest country on Earth say 47%. Jenna, I've followed you for a while and mostly agree with your positions and framing. However, Here I must disagree, strongly. The thrust of my argument is this. Historic time matters. The United States, SINCE WWII has been the one global hegemonic power, and we've exerted that power around the globe through wars, regime change and other methods to extract resources from other countries, to improve our standard of living. And it been to the detriment of millions, perhaps billions of people around the world. Read John Perkins "Confessions of an Economic Hitman" for a better understanding of how we've done this.Regarding Iran, how many of your readers know the history of our involvement in Iran when we overthrew a democratically elected leader, Mossadeq in 1953. bc he dared to nationalize their oil. Billy Joel was wrong, we DID start the fire, at least there, and in many other countries around the world, Libya, Iraq Chile, Venezuela to name a few others, courtesy of our former great leaders, D & R both. So Trump is NOT a singular evil. But let's not frame this war as America good Iran bad, as it seems you are trying to do here to justify Trumps actions.
Appreciate the input, sincerely. My point wasn’t “America good, Iran bad.” It was pushing back on the hero/victim narrative that flips the script so completely that one side becomes the sole villain and the other gets a moral glow-up. Two things can be true at once: the U.S. has done some seriously ugly things, and that still doesn’t magically make the current Iranian regime the good guy--which is essentially what Moore was saying (and the impetus for this post).
Point taken. I used to be a fan of Moore and still love his early documentaries and I here you. Unfortunately, from a few of the comments on this thread, "some" believe in the black and white view of America #1 and Iran the worst evil on the planet. This does NOTHING to further understanding of the complexities of geopolitics. Thank you Jenna.
I don’t I think that’s what she’s doing at all. She’s simply pointing out the hypocrisy of it all.
Fair enough. I'll await her response here. That wasn't my takeaway but I'm open to the discussion. That IS one thing that STILL makes this country great......except that it's slowly being taken away from us. The covid era showed us all here that it can be taken away if we are not vigilant. Kudos to Matt Tiabbi and journalists like him for speaking truth to power.
Iran’s government is quite possibly the most evil regime on the globe as many of its citizens have learned the hard way. If America doesn’t clear the way for the Iranians to take back their country from the death cult running things, that will be tragic. I’m comfortable framing this as “America good” because “Death to America” is “Iran bad.”
Maybe we should let the Iranian people decide. Once we start intervening in other countries affairs, where does it stop? And BTW, Saudi Arabia and other "oil rich" Middle East states who WE support are NO shining beacons of freedom either. Just a thought. Thanks.
The Iranian people are ecstatic over America trying to destroy this regime. Do you think the tens of thousands of protestors who died did so because they approve of the Iranian government?
Donna I bet you know nothing about Iran that you have not read or listened to in mainstream propaganda. Why don't you read a real book about Iran like "Going to Iran"?
I'm going to check this book out Frank. Thanks.
Islam is a cancer. But is Saudi Arabia’s official position “death to America”? No, it is not. And if America does this right, the Iranian people WILL get to decide. Of course, tens of thousands of them have already been murdered but better late than never.
The Saudis did a pretty good job of shooting innocent people in Las Vegas. From helicopters no less!
Whatever you say, fella, but also entirely irrelevant to my comment.
No, Islam is NOT a cancer. I'm sure many around the world say Christianity is a cancer. Neither are true. Your words do nothing to help foster harmony, IMHO. Peace to you though.
I have more than a half dozen muslim friends who grew up in Iran, some of whom choose to wear the hijab (when out in public), and two of whom have returned to live near their close-knit families in Iran. I’ve attended wonderful gatherings in their homes. They strongly disagree with the description that Iran’s government as “quite possibly the most evil regime on the globe” or that it’s a “death cult”. They would also say that “Death to America” is not an accurate characterization of the sentiment or the government’s actions in Iran.
As I understand it, Iran’s government is nowhere near as oppressive as the government of North Korea, or the government of China, or many other countries.
I’m grateful to Tucker Carlson for his interviews and monologues that explain the problems in the U.S.’s Middle East narratives and transgressions.
I guess we know different Iranians. So your friends are fine with tens of thousands of regime protesters being slaughtered, with the internet being cut off, with women being beaten in the streets for a stray hair, for the urging of children to plant themselves at military targets and sacrifice their lives? Perhaps, then, your friends are those muslims benefitting from this regime, as evidenced by the fact they've come and gone freely. Also please don't gaslight us all. We know what "death to America" means, even if Tucker Carlson does not.
And how many of them have brought that cult into our country? Ready to implement…..
The America of 1776, is not the same America of the 20th and 21st centuries.
Yes! Thank you John. Nor is America the same country that fought Germany and Japan in the 1910's & 1940's. My grandfather and father both fought in WWI and WWII and were proud of their country then. I don't think they would today, may they rest in peace.
There is a world of difference between our founding concepts and our fundamental beliefs vs the actions of our overgrown and corrupt current government. By "current" I'm including at least the past sixty years.
Agreed. Our founding fathers, despite their faults "conceived" a great idea in the United States of America. I'm proud to have grown up here. But that privilege also bestows on me the requirement, as I think Edmund Burke said: "the price of liberty is eternal vigilance".
Yes, we should not worship the founding fathers like gods. However the founding fathers gave serious thought to serious challenges and did the best they could and formed a fantastic foundation for a nation. Unfortunately, 250 years later that foundation is cracking and crumbling.
I don’t see any posturing here from Jenna to “try and justify Trumps actions.” Seriously, all I see is calling out truth - America IS still the best country in the world, as proved by absolutely everyone in brutal regimes trying to get asylum here, and contrasting that to a regime that massacred 42,000 of protestors against that regime. As late as 10 days ago they still publicly hanged 2 protestors. Yes - AMERICA ROCKS!
Marlene, if you are referring to the so-called massacred "protesters" in Iran, you are mistaken. That was all propaganda by the evil US regime which funded the Israelis and CIA who bribed and armed criminals to kill the vast majority of those people including police and firemen. This was a lie fomented by the CIA & MSM.
Stop with the truth telling Frank. It's hurting their narrative. Snark!!!
I'm 2 out of 3 .... does that count?
(gun-toting, MAGA, redneck)
((Or was MAGA redneck one option?))