I do not understand the complication. We have the same amount of sunlight, regardless of the time on the clock! Stick to standard time and have summer schedules and winter schedules. There is no such thing as more sunlight in the afternoon or more sunlight in the morning- we have the same amount of sunlight. Maybe instead of rigid times, School should start when the sun comes up and should end a few hours after that. Ie Flexible. I’ve long thought that working and school hours should be shorter in winter. Winter is a time for hunkering down under the blankets. Maybe, just maybe, there’s something to be said for following the seasons and being more aligned to nature.
famous possibly indian chief quote: only the white man would believe that if you cut off the bottom of a rug and sewed it to the top you'd get a longer rug. and only human beings continue to believe they can improve on nature.
School is too long now anyway. And districts have found that moving back the start time until later has been good for students. Even when I was young, I got up at 6AM and got home around 5PM, and kids in team sports or band got home even later. Then it was homework time. Both college and then when I entered the full-time workforce left me with MORE free time than when I was a kid!
Unless you live near the equator, there's a fair amount of variation. In the summer, it's about a 50% increase in daylight. At the summer maximum there are ≈14-15 hours, at the winter minimum there are ≈9-10 hours. It's really just about biasing our waking hours to best align with the available daylight. I feel like the juice is worth the squeeze in this case.
This is literally exactly what I came here to say. Only you said it better. I can only add, please consider those of us who are desert dwellers and for whom sunset can't come too soon in the summer! It's only AFTER sunset that we come out to play in the hot months.
I agree…stick with Standard time, stick with the Seasons…Summer Schedule and Winter Schedule, with the deviant Spring and Fall Schedules to break up the monotony! 🤔🕵🏼♀️
"I’ve long thought that working and school hours should be shorter in winter." And I've long thought the opposite, that I want shorter hours in early summer to take advantage of more daylight. In winter, I'll hibernate at work.
Year-round Standard has been working well in Arizona for decades now 🙂
Seriously, permanent DST would be cataclysmic long-term. Our circadian rhythms are naturally aligned with Standard Time, and nearly every sleep researcher on the planet says we should be on permanent Standard Time for our health and wellness.
It's funny, every time I see one of these polls DST never wins, and it oft lags behind even the current system. Very VERY few genuinely want DST as a yearly standard, yet many of the politicians keep pushing it (for the benefit of their donors, natch).
Agree, Stone. When I went to camp as a child, the camp stayed on standard time so that we could have campfires well before 11 pm. here in Michigan. I have family in Arizona. I’ve been there and experienced it and it was fine!
Exactly, Cynthia! I lived in AZ back in '88 (moved from the central time zone on the weekend DST was kicking in, so I lost zero time LOL), and I absolutely loved it!
Standard Time is just so much better for us, all the way around! :-)
Now is the winter of our discontent. I still like the disruptive fall behind/spring back semi annual clock setting fissco, trying to remember which way it went. Goes. Whatever. The constant state of change provides fuel for my chronic malcontent.
Cotton Blocked :^> And he sometimes seems so - beleivable. All these guys are players. And The Female equivalents are so... illustrious? Sometimes you should know when you are being 'played'. it's on us.
That Standard Time is Natural Time is a myth. Tell that to anyone who lives on either the eastern or western edge of a time zone.
A perusal of a time zone map shows that countries do all sorts of weird things with time zones. China has one time zone for the entire country. "Standard Time" in much of Western Europe is essentially DST, and DST for eight months of the year is double DST.
There are relatively few locales where local time is closely aligned with solar noon.
The arrangement we have now is what's best for middle latitudes. Take an hour of daylight that would otherwise be wasted in the early morning when most everyone is asleep and move it to the evening where people can enjoy the longer daylight.
The clock change never seemed like a big deal to me. People fly over multiple time zones, get over the jet lag, and are fine. Plus lots of driving over time zone borders.
I’m not voting today. Here’s my vote: I would prefer standard time but will take DST just to avoid changing the clocks 2x a year and wreaking havoc with my circadian rhythm. ✅
I can SO relate to this comment, Joe! 😆 I tend to remove my glasses (often foggy from heat/cold) after feeding the various animals and make all kinds of typos while posting — and am filled with regret when I see them later.
I was messing with the settings on a newer device and mysteriously lost the edit function, along with other stuff. After laboriously backtracking, I found the cryptic setting, then promptly forgot it. Maybe a techy friend could help you out?
Joe, as long as it is not the Colorado Rockies….that state has gone into the crapper now that the Democrats fully control it. Signed: ex-lifetime Coloradan.
I so agree. I have been visiting the Gunnison Valley in CO for the past 50 plus years. The Front Range (Boulder, Denver and even down towards Colorado Springs) has become so Blue. Gunnison is out on the Western Slope. Because Gunnison, a college/university town and the ski resort town of Crested Butte, now seem to run more blue, as do towns like Telluride but the rest of the towns out there are still red.
Frontera Lupita, it is true that a lot of Colorado is still red once you get out of the blue run cities and tourist/vacation second home areas. But sadly the blue areas control the whole state just because of their population numbers. Not sure if it ever can be reversed. And it all started big time in 2013 with all mail ballot elections followed by Dominion machines in 2014.
I go to Gunnison because I have family (cousins) that live there. I have watched it also change over the years as well as up in Crested Butte.
My cousin is 82, is a retired elementary school teacher. She has a daughter in her late 40’s, who is an assistant provost at Western State University in Gunnison. She leans to the “blue/new school liberal” side of things, and of course is ALL about the importance of a “university education”.
After 50 years of marriage...I have the same problem. Most nights I dread it. At least when I get good stuff from the garden it gets a little more exciting.
10 miles up the road is a fancy retirement community called Ashby Ponds. Very expensive and massively popular for old people with money that want to live in an apartment complex. Very nice. They have at least 5 restaurants on the complex and all of them are top notch (at least in the 12 years my parents lived there) most people gain 15 pounds in the first two years... just like college.
It is a great place but you must be careful with all of the food. That said, you never had to worry about dinner. If I lived there, I would skip it altogether
Wise Indian once said, "only white man can think cutting off 6 inches from a blanket at the bottom and sewing it on the top, will make the blanket longer is a fool."!!
daylight hours are ≈9-10 hrs at winter minimum, & ≈14-15 hrs at summer maximum. That's a ≈50% increase. I enjoy getting up nearer to sunrise year round. I like the changing. It seems like such a small inconvenience. I've never understood the hate adjusting the clock twice a year gets. I feel like the juice is worth the squeeze in this case.
If we were to stay on standard time, winter sunrise would be about 8 am and summer sunrise would be about 4 am
If we were to stay on DST, winter sunrise would be about 9 am and summer sunrise would be about 5 am.
DST is the dumbest thing that our federal government does (well, maybe not the dumbest) but I can't believe anyone is trying to make it permanent. Does anyone try to just adjust to the standard time and let that be it? What is the big problem that we need to mess with our clocks?
Kids get on the bus in the dark here even with the change back to standard time in the winter. Homeschool your kids and they don't have to ride the bus. Just leave the clocks alone! The reasoning for the changes back and forth every year is unconvincing.
Exactly - kids are already getting on the bus in the dark now in the winter. Maybe it depends on where someone lives but where I live, this has been the norm for as long as I can remember. Oh and the kids who play sports? They get off the "activities" bus in the dark too.
I think the system you prefer depends a lot on where you live within your own time zone. And the farther north you live, the more extreme the changes. I just know that the older I get the harder the semi-annual switch becomes. Let's go back to standard time year round, and if you want to stay out late in the summer, there are always patio lights and fire pits.
I suspect the reason school starts earlier in the day than parent’s jobs start is for teachers convenience. There. I said it.
I also got “Too many Requests” trying to open Whitehouse.gov. I thought he was very……moderate in his speech compared to fiery times past. And I WILL get to that “too much traffic” website today!
In the school district I grew up in school starts based on when they can get all the kids bussed to and from. MS/HS 7:20 am, ES 9:20 am. Rural mountain routes are difficult to traverse with buses.
I vote for permanent standard time, then let everyone fix their own schedules. But whatever we do, let’s stop swapping backwards and forwards every few months!
Noon is when the sun is directly overhead at its peak. There is no other definition. Doesn’t matter if you call it 1pm, it’s still noon.
Rather than make everyone conform to something no one voted for, why not allow “muh democracy” to decide.
1. Leave the clocks alone. All of them. Everywhere.
2. Let each individual school district, store, government, church, etc. set their own open/close hours, and if they want to change hours for summer, so be it. They can change to whatever they want without affecting everyone else. Why is that so hard?
Noon directly overhead works only for those perfectly aligned...in theory right in the middle of the time zone...which is squiggled all screwy to throw that off.
Bill Gates has the ultimate solution...block the sun forever. Then we can be as much in the dark as he is and we won't have to worry about DST. It will be renamed BGT= Bill Gates Time (which is just a euphemism for Time in Hell.)
I do not understand the complication. We have the same amount of sunlight, regardless of the time on the clock! Stick to standard time and have summer schedules and winter schedules. There is no such thing as more sunlight in the afternoon or more sunlight in the morning- we have the same amount of sunlight. Maybe instead of rigid times, School should start when the sun comes up and should end a few hours after that. Ie Flexible. I’ve long thought that working and school hours should be shorter in winter. Winter is a time for hunkering down under the blankets. Maybe, just maybe, there’s something to be said for following the seasons and being more aligned to nature.
Well said!
Totally agree.
famous possibly indian chief quote: only the white man would believe that if you cut off the bottom of a rug and sewed it to the top you'd get a longer rug. and only human beings continue to believe they can improve on nature.
I'm laughing. You are so right. Yep, humans are arrogant and think they "should" play God with everybody.
School is too long now anyway. And districts have found that moving back the start time until later has been good for students. Even when I was young, I got up at 6AM and got home around 5PM, and kids in team sports or band got home even later. Then it was homework time. Both college and then when I entered the full-time workforce left me with MORE free time than when I was a kid!
Don’t get me started. That’s a whole separate post! Lol
We are just an element in nature…like it or not
My thoughts exactly, 7
Unless you live near the equator, there's a fair amount of variation. In the summer, it's about a 50% increase in daylight. At the summer maximum there are ≈14-15 hours, at the winter minimum there are ≈9-10 hours. It's really just about biasing our waking hours to best align with the available daylight. I feel like the juice is worth the squeeze in this case.
This is literally exactly what I came here to say. Only you said it better. I can only add, please consider those of us who are desert dwellers and for whom sunset can't come too soon in the summer! It's only AFTER sunset that we come out to play in the hot months.
I agree…stick with Standard time, stick with the Seasons…Summer Schedule and Winter Schedule, with the deviant Spring and Fall Schedules to break up the monotony! 🤔🕵🏼♀️
"I’ve long thought that working and school hours should be shorter in winter." And I've long thought the opposite, that I want shorter hours in early summer to take advantage of more daylight. In winter, I'll hibernate at work.
😂
Yes!! Stick to Standard time always -- NO switching at all!
BOOM!!!~
Yes! (I replied in the wrong place 😳)
Me too.
I voted DST,but,Standard time is more natural…I change my vote to Standard,but,mostly,I want the CHANGING to stop…
I wrote my first Substack post on this topic: https://deborah7isheaven.substack.com/p/here-comes-the-sun-or-not?r=1b8oe5&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=true
Yes!
Year-round Standard has been working well in Arizona for decades now 🙂
Seriously, permanent DST would be cataclysmic long-term. Our circadian rhythms are naturally aligned with Standard Time, and nearly every sleep researcher on the planet says we should be on permanent Standard Time for our health and wellness.
Standard Time is Natural Time...
So, I agree with this assessment 1000 percent. Option 1 and 3 suck for humans, period, full stop 🛑
Why would we even consider compromising with the a bunch of morons that actually want us useless eaters eliminated? What you say?
I say, shove it where the sun don’t shine. Please do not show up for this vote and stay in your lane!
Thanks, Kat - and very well put!
It's funny, every time I see one of these polls DST never wins, and it oft lags behind even the current system. Very VERY few genuinely want DST as a yearly standard, yet many of the politicians keep pushing it (for the benefit of their donors, natch).
Agree, Stone. When I went to camp as a child, the camp stayed on standard time so that we could have campfires well before 11 pm. here in Michigan. I have family in Arizona. I’ve been there and experienced it and it was fine!
Exactly, Cynthia! I lived in AZ back in '88 (moved from the central time zone on the weekend DST was kicking in, so I lost zero time LOL), and I absolutely loved it!
Standard Time is just so much better for us, all the way around! :-)
Now is the winter of our discontent. I still like the disruptive fall behind/spring back semi annual clock setting fissco, trying to remember which way it went. Goes. Whatever. The constant state of change provides fuel for my chronic malcontent.
Well, it looks like Sen. Tom Cotton is going to kill it in the Senate, so our dark winter may be avoided for at least one more season LOL
It'll be nice to finally get some use out of him... ;-)
They must not do daylight saving time in Tel Aviv
Cotton Blocked :^> And he sometimes seems so - beleivable. All these guys are players. And The Female equivalents are so... illustrious? Sometimes you should know when you are being 'played'. it's on us.
Actors in a choreographed play. A lousy imitation of Big time wrestling
Amen!
Thanks! 🙂
That Standard Time is Natural Time is a myth. Tell that to anyone who lives on either the eastern or western edge of a time zone.
A perusal of a time zone map shows that countries do all sorts of weird things with time zones. China has one time zone for the entire country. "Standard Time" in much of Western Europe is essentially DST, and DST for eight months of the year is double DST.
There are relatively few locales where local time is closely aligned with solar noon.
The arrangement we have now is what's best for middle latitudes. Take an hour of daylight that would otherwise be wasted in the early morning when most everyone is asleep and move it to the evening where people can enjoy the longer daylight.
The clock change never seemed like a big deal to me. People fly over multiple time zones, get over the jet lag, and are fine. Plus lots of driving over time zone borders.
I’m not voting today. Here’s my vote: I would prefer standard time but will take DST just to avoid changing the clocks 2x a year and wreaking havoc with my circadian rhythm. ✅
Same.
Your rhythm does not adjust to daylight saving time..ever
You do know that our assignment of “time” to a specific position of the sun is, and has always been, a human construct, right?
Same
I’m up early watching the sunrise come up over the Rocky Mountains and I don’t even care what time it is. 😜
Waterfall hike today! 😎
Love ya Bad Ass! 🤬🍑😘
When your in the Rockies the last thing you should be doing is worrying about time.
Enjoy! Im jealous.
Trying to edit my misspelling of " your " before Jenna sees it, but can't do it.
😂😂😂
Do not cease trying to correct this egregious error!!
I can SO relate to this comment, Joe! 😆 I tend to remove my glasses (often foggy from heat/cold) after feeding the various animals and make all kinds of typos while posting — and am filled with regret when I see them later.
Touch the three little dots beside your comment, then choose Edit.
I was on my phone and it wasnt working. I was panicking and now the cats out of the bag.
Phones are evil. Ditch them!
I was messing with the settings on a newer device and mysteriously lost the edit function, along with other stuff. After laboriously backtracking, I found the cryptic setting, then promptly forgot it. Maybe a techy friend could help you out?
Joe, as long as it is not the Colorado Rockies….that state has gone into the crapper now that the Democrats fully control it. Signed: ex-lifetime Coloradan.
I so agree. I have been visiting the Gunnison Valley in CO for the past 50 plus years. The Front Range (Boulder, Denver and even down towards Colorado Springs) has become so Blue. Gunnison is out on the Western Slope. Because Gunnison, a college/university town and the ski resort town of Crested Butte, now seem to run more blue, as do towns like Telluride but the rest of the towns out there are still red.
Frontera Lupita, it is true that a lot of Colorado is still red once you get out of the blue run cities and tourist/vacation second home areas. But sadly the blue areas control the whole state just because of their population numbers. Not sure if it ever can be reversed. And it all started big time in 2013 with all mail ballot elections followed by Dominion machines in 2014.
I go to Gunnison because I have family (cousins) that live there. I have watched it also change over the years as well as up in Crested Butte.
My cousin is 82, is a retired elementary school teacher. She has a daughter in her late 40’s, who is an assistant provost at Western State University in Gunnison. She leans to the “blue/new school liberal” side of things, and of course is ALL about the importance of a “university education”.
I feel you but I will still enjoy the land. I cant allow the political environment to prevent me from having a good time. Just sayin.
Beginning to not like you…jealous I guess 😊
I don't care. I am 70 and I never know what time it is anyway.... time flies and all of a sudden I have to make dinner..... again!
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After 50 years of marriage...I have the same problem. Most nights I dread it. At least when I get good stuff from the garden it gets a little more exciting.
yes, excellent.
10 miles up the road is a fancy retirement community called Ashby Ponds. Very expensive and massively popular for old people with money that want to live in an apartment complex. Very nice. They have at least 5 restaurants on the complex and all of them are top notch (at least in the 12 years my parents lived there) most people gain 15 pounds in the first two years... just like college.
It is a great place but you must be careful with all of the food. That said, you never had to worry about dinner. If I lived there, I would skip it altogether
Other: homeschool the kids. Change work hours (easy for me since I own the practice)
Honestly, my dogs seem more annoyed by the time changes than any of the humans in my life.
Wise Indian once said, "only white man can think cutting off 6 inches from a blanket at the bottom and sewing it on the top, will make the blanket longer is a fool."!!
daylight hours are ≈9-10 hrs at winter minimum, & ≈14-15 hrs at summer maximum. That's a ≈50% increase. I enjoy getting up nearer to sunrise year round. I like the changing. It seems like such a small inconvenience. I've never understood the hate adjusting the clock twice a year gets. I feel like the juice is worth the squeeze in this case.
If we were to stay on standard time, winter sunrise would be about 8 am and summer sunrise would be about 4 am
If we were to stay on DST, winter sunrise would be about 9 am and summer sunrise would be about 5 am.
DST is the dumbest thing that our federal government does (well, maybe not the dumbest) but I can't believe anyone is trying to make it permanent. Does anyone try to just adjust to the standard time and let that be it? What is the big problem that we need to mess with our clocks?
DST is hardly the dumbest thing the Federal Government does. It’s not even in the top 100 of dumb things the Congress does.
Kids get on the bus in the dark here even with the change back to standard time in the winter. Homeschool your kids and they don't have to ride the bus. Just leave the clocks alone! The reasoning for the changes back and forth every year is unconvincing.
Exactly - kids are already getting on the bus in the dark now in the winter. Maybe it depends on where someone lives but where I live, this has been the norm for as long as I can remember. Oh and the kids who play sports? They get off the "activities" bus in the dark too.
I don’t think pickleball existed in 1974 😂
I want natural day-night rhythms, not this manmade phony “savings” time.
I think the system you prefer depends a lot on where you live within your own time zone. And the farther north you live, the more extreme the changes. I just know that the older I get the harder the semi-annual switch becomes. Let's go back to standard time year round, and if you want to stay out late in the summer, there are always patio lights and fire pits.
I suspect the reason school starts earlier in the day than parent’s jobs start is for teachers convenience. There. I said it.
I also got “Too many Requests” trying to open Whitehouse.gov. I thought he was very……moderate in his speech compared to fiery times past. And I WILL get to that “too much traffic” website today!
In the school district I grew up in school starts based on when they can get all the kids bussed to and from. MS/HS 7:20 am, ES 9:20 am. Rural mountain routes are difficult to traverse with buses.
I vote for permanent standard time, then let everyone fix their own schedules. But whatever we do, let’s stop swapping backwards and forwards every few months!
Noon is when the sun is directly overhead at its peak. There is no other definition. Doesn’t matter if you call it 1pm, it’s still noon.
Rather than make everyone conform to something no one voted for, why not allow “muh democracy” to decide.
1. Leave the clocks alone. All of them. Everywhere.
2. Let each individual school district, store, government, church, etc. set their own open/close hours, and if they want to change hours for summer, so be it. They can change to whatever they want without affecting everyone else. Why is that so hard?
Noon directly overhead works only for those perfectly aligned...in theory right in the middle of the time zone...which is squiggled all screwy to throw that off.
But yes...let's just leave the clocks alone!
Wait ... There's a 5 ... AM ?
Yes. I’ve witnessed it. Once. Vowed never to go back.
Yeah I was up til 2:15am this morning self diagnosing my Hi Functioning Autism. In that situation there is no 5am. That's crazy talk.
Bill Gates has the ultimate solution...block the sun forever. Then we can be as much in the dark as he is and we won't have to worry about DST. It will be renamed BGT= Bill Gates Time (which is just a euphemism for Time in Hell.)
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