I do not understand the complication. We have the same amount of sunlight, regardless of the time on the clock! Stick to standard time and have summer schedules and winter schedules. There is no such thing as more sunlight in the afternoon or more sunlight in the morning- we have the same amount of sunlight. Maybe instead of rigid times, School should start when the sun comes up and should end a few hours after that. Ie Flexible. I’ve long thought that working and school hours should be shorter in winter. Winter is a time for hunkering down under the blankets. Maybe, just maybe, there’s something to be said for following the seasons and being more aligned to nature.
"I’ve long thought that working and school hours should be shorter in winter." And I've long thought the opposite, that I want shorter hours in early summer to take advantage of more daylight. In winter, I'll hibernate at work.
Unless you live near the equator, there's a fair amount of variation. In the summer, it's about a 50% increase in daylight. At the summer maximum there are ≈14-15 hours, at the winter minimum there are ≈9-10 hours. It's really just about biasing our waking hours to best align with the available daylight. I feel like the juice is worth the squeeze in this case.
Year-round Standard has been working well in Arizona for decades now 🙂
Seriously, permanent DST would be cataclysmic long-term. Our circadian rhythms are naturally aligned with Standard Time, and nearly every sleep researcher on the planet says we should be on permanent Standard Time for our health and wellness.
Agree, Stone. When I went to camp as a child, the camp stayed on standard time so that we could have campfires well before 11 pm. here in Michigan. I have family in Arizona. I’ve been there and experienced it and it was fine!
Now is the winter of our discontent. I still like the disruptive fall behind/spring back semi annual clock setting fissco, trying to remember which way it went. Goes. Whatever. The constant state of change provides fuel for my chronic malcontent.
I’m not voting today. Here’s my vote: I would prefer standard time but will take DST just to avoid changing the clocks 2x a year and wreaking havoc with my circadian rhythm. ✅
I can SO relate to this comment, Joe! 😆 I tend to remove my glasses (often foggy from heat/cold) after feeding the various animals and make all kinds of typos while posting — and am filled with regret when I see them later.
Joe, as long as it is not the Colorado Rockies….that state has gone into the crapper now that the Democrats fully control it. Signed: ex-lifetime Coloradan.
Wise Indian once said, "only white man can think cutting off 6 inches from a blanket at the bottom and sewing it on the top, will make the blanket longer is a fool."!!
daylight hours are ≈9-10 hrs at winter minimum, & ≈14-15 hrs at summer maximum. That's a ≈50% increase. I enjoy getting up nearer to sunrise year round. I like the changing. It seems like such a small inconvenience. I've never understood the hate adjusting the clock twice a year gets. I feel like the juice is worth the squeeze in this case.
If we were to stay on standard time, winter sunrise would be about 8 am and summer sunrise would be about 4 am
If we were to stay on DST, winter sunrise would be about 9 am and summer sunrise would be about 5 am.
DST is the dumbest thing that our federal government does (well, maybe not the dumbest) but I can't believe anyone is trying to make it permanent. Does anyone try to just adjust to the standard time and let that be it? What is the big problem that we need to mess with our clocks?
I think the system you prefer depends a lot on where you live within your own time zone. And the farther north you live, the more extreme the changes. I just know that the older I get the harder the semi-annual switch becomes. Let's go back to standard time year round, and if you want to stay out late in the summer, there are always patio lights and fire pits.
Kids get on the bus in the dark here even with the change back to standard time in the winter. Homeschool your kids and they don't have to ride the bus. Just leave the clocks alone! The reasoning for the changes back and forth every year is unconvincing.
Exactly - kids are already getting on the bus in the dark now in the winter. Maybe it depends on where someone lives but where I live, this has been the norm for as long as I can remember. Oh and the kids who play sports? They get off the "activities" bus in the dark too.
I suspect the reason school starts earlier in the day than parent’s jobs start is for teachers convenience. There. I said it.
I also got “Too many Requests” trying to open Whitehouse.gov. I thought he was very……moderate in his speech compared to fiery times past. And I WILL get to that “too much traffic” website today!
I vote for permanent standard time, then let everyone fix their own schedules. But whatever we do, let’s stop swapping backwards and forwards every few months!
Noon is when the sun is directly overhead at its peak. There is no other definition. Doesn’t matter if you call it 1pm, it’s still noon.
Rather than make everyone conform to something no one voted for, why not allow “muh democracy” to decide.
1. Leave the clocks alone. All of them. Everywhere.
2. Let each individual school district, store, government, church, etc. set their own open/close hours, and if they want to change hours for summer, so be it. They can change to whatever they want without affecting everyone else. Why is that so hard?
Apparently the teleprompter dude leaked that the speech was not going to ba about war but rather election stuff. This lead to the major networks not televising the speech. Because you know the the elections were free and fair…
Maybe we should just divide up every day into more than 24 hours. Admittedly I haven't thought this through, but being stuck with 24 hours seems so limiting. To be serious I wish we'd just stop with all the stupid tinkering around with things that are really only fooling us into thinking we can control nature. If Congress decides to put us on permanent daylight saving, maybe we could hit back by starting school an hour later, open businesses an hour later, start church at noon, you get my drift. Problem solved.
I do not understand the complication. We have the same amount of sunlight, regardless of the time on the clock! Stick to standard time and have summer schedules and winter schedules. There is no such thing as more sunlight in the afternoon or more sunlight in the morning- we have the same amount of sunlight. Maybe instead of rigid times, School should start when the sun comes up and should end a few hours after that. Ie Flexible. I’ve long thought that working and school hours should be shorter in winter. Winter is a time for hunkering down under the blankets. Maybe, just maybe, there’s something to be said for following the seasons and being more aligned to nature.
Well said!
We are just an element in nature…like it or not
Totally agree.
My thoughts exactly, 7
"I’ve long thought that working and school hours should be shorter in winter." And I've long thought the opposite, that I want shorter hours in early summer to take advantage of more daylight. In winter, I'll hibernate at work.
Unless you live near the equator, there's a fair amount of variation. In the summer, it's about a 50% increase in daylight. At the summer maximum there are ≈14-15 hours, at the winter minimum there are ≈9-10 hours. It's really just about biasing our waking hours to best align with the available daylight. I feel like the juice is worth the squeeze in this case.
BOOM!!!~
Yes! (I replied in the wrong place 😳)
Yes!
Year-round Standard has been working well in Arizona for decades now 🙂
Seriously, permanent DST would be cataclysmic long-term. Our circadian rhythms are naturally aligned with Standard Time, and nearly every sleep researcher on the planet says we should be on permanent Standard Time for our health and wellness.
Standard Time is Natural Time...
Amen!
Agree, Stone. When I went to camp as a child, the camp stayed on standard time so that we could have campfires well before 11 pm. here in Michigan. I have family in Arizona. I’ve been there and experienced it and it was fine!
So, I agree with this assessment 1000 percent. Option 1 and 3 suck for humans, period, full stop 🛑
Why would we even consider compromising with the a bunch of morons that actually want us useless eaters eliminated? What you say?
I say, shove it where the sun don’t shine. Please do not show up for this vote and stay in your lane!
Now is the winter of our discontent. I still like the disruptive fall behind/spring back semi annual clock setting fissco, trying to remember which way it went. Goes. Whatever. The constant state of change provides fuel for my chronic malcontent.
I’m not voting today. Here’s my vote: I would prefer standard time but will take DST just to avoid changing the clocks 2x a year and wreaking havoc with my circadian rhythm. ✅
Same.
I’m up early watching the sunrise come up over the Rocky Mountains and I don’t even care what time it is. 😜
Waterfall hike today! 😎
Love ya Bad Ass! 🤬🍑😘
When your in the Rockies the last thing you should be doing is worrying about time.
Enjoy! Im jealous.
Trying to edit my misspelling of " your " before Jenna sees it, but can't do it.
😂😂😂
Touch the three little dots beside your comment, then choose Edit.
I was on my phone and it wasnt working. I was panicking and now the cats out of the bag.
I can SO relate to this comment, Joe! 😆 I tend to remove my glasses (often foggy from heat/cold) after feeding the various animals and make all kinds of typos while posting — and am filled with regret when I see them later.
Joe, as long as it is not the Colorado Rockies….that state has gone into the crapper now that the Democrats fully control it. Signed: ex-lifetime Coloradan.
Beginning to not like you…jealous I guess 😊
Wise Indian once said, "only white man can think cutting off 6 inches from a blanket at the bottom and sewing it on the top, will make the blanket longer is a fool."!!
daylight hours are ≈9-10 hrs at winter minimum, & ≈14-15 hrs at summer maximum. That's a ≈50% increase. I enjoy getting up nearer to sunrise year round. I like the changing. It seems like such a small inconvenience. I've never understood the hate adjusting the clock twice a year gets. I feel like the juice is worth the squeeze in this case.
If we were to stay on standard time, winter sunrise would be about 8 am and summer sunrise would be about 4 am
If we were to stay on DST, winter sunrise would be about 9 am and summer sunrise would be about 5 am.
DST is the dumbest thing that our federal government does (well, maybe not the dumbest) but I can't believe anyone is trying to make it permanent. Does anyone try to just adjust to the standard time and let that be it? What is the big problem that we need to mess with our clocks?
DST is hardly the dumbest thing the Federal Government does. It’s not even in the top 100 of dumb things the Congress does.
Other: homeschool the kids. Change work hours (easy for me since I own the practice)
Honestly, my dogs seem more annoyed by the time changes than any of the humans in my life.
I think the system you prefer depends a lot on where you live within your own time zone. And the farther north you live, the more extreme the changes. I just know that the older I get the harder the semi-annual switch becomes. Let's go back to standard time year round, and if you want to stay out late in the summer, there are always patio lights and fire pits.
Kids get on the bus in the dark here even with the change back to standard time in the winter. Homeschool your kids and they don't have to ride the bus. Just leave the clocks alone! The reasoning for the changes back and forth every year is unconvincing.
Exactly - kids are already getting on the bus in the dark now in the winter. Maybe it depends on where someone lives but where I live, this has been the norm for as long as I can remember. Oh and the kids who play sports? They get off the "activities" bus in the dark too.
I suspect the reason school starts earlier in the day than parent’s jobs start is for teachers convenience. There. I said it.
I also got “Too many Requests” trying to open Whitehouse.gov. I thought he was very……moderate in his speech compared to fiery times past. And I WILL get to that “too much traffic” website today!
I don’t think pickleball existed in 1974 😂
I want natural day-night rhythms, not this manmade phony “savings” time.
I vote for permanent standard time, then let everyone fix their own schedules. But whatever we do, let’s stop swapping backwards and forwards every few months!
Noon is when the sun is directly overhead at its peak. There is no other definition. Doesn’t matter if you call it 1pm, it’s still noon.
Rather than make everyone conform to something no one voted for, why not allow “muh democracy” to decide.
1. Leave the clocks alone. All of them. Everywhere.
2. Let each individual school district, store, government, church, etc. set their own open/close hours, and if they want to change hours for summer, so be it. They can change to whatever they want without affecting everyone else. Why is that so hard?
Wait ... There's a 5 ... AM ?
Yes. I’ve witnessed it. Once. Vowed never to go back.
Yeah I was up til 2:15am this morning self diagnosing my Hi Functioning Autism. In that situation there is no 5am. That's crazy talk.
Apparently the teleprompter dude leaked that the speech was not going to ba about war but rather election stuff. This lead to the major networks not televising the speech. Because you know the the elections were free and fair…
Well they were in on it, weren’t they. They don’t want to broadcast the evidence of their malfeasance. Got to keep the sheeple in line.
You can’t hate the media enough
Maybe we should just divide up every day into more than 24 hours. Admittedly I haven't thought this through, but being stuck with 24 hours seems so limiting. To be serious I wish we'd just stop with all the stupid tinkering around with things that are really only fooling us into thinking we can control nature. If Congress decides to put us on permanent daylight saving, maybe we could hit back by starting school an hour later, open businesses an hour later, start church at noon, you get my drift. Problem solved.