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Roberta Stack's avatar

A sad commentary and very scary. I worry for our humanity. And I’m glad to be at this place in life as an older person. God help this younger generation.

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Dena's avatar

Last fall we lost any connection for a few days to the internet due to a storm. We’d lost power before but not WiFi or internet, so it was a shock at first. Initially we felt kind of helpless with the lack of easy communication & entertainment, but I thought would it be so bad to have a “disconnected “ world again ? Inconvenient but better in many ways.

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Mike Perceval's avatar

AMEN!!!

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Janet's avatar

Me too. God help us. 😱🙏🏻

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Vee's avatar

Absolutely terrifying, tragic, and unacceptable. I've shared this before, but just in case you all haven't seen real life examples of how people are literally replacing human relationships with algorithms: https://youtu.be/_d08BZmdZu8?si=VMTUWLjJsNrQl2wv

If you really think about it, the whole covid propaganda campaign to convince the world to hide on their houses, wear face diapers, snitch on your neighbors, and to ultimately get the clot shot is eerily similar to AI technology. The powers that shouldn't be used their authortaritive and mainstream platforms to sell a completely delusional reality to get people to willingly and happily inject themselves with an experimental poison. Now that's power.

This recent Jim Breuer clip hits the nail on the head similar to Jenna's take! https://youtu.be/PY0XEiaaoRU

Happy AI companion free Friday all! Have a great weekend!

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Juju's avatar

Probably my most favorite comment you’ve ever made. Excellent comparison. Nailed it.

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Dr. Raleigh Phillips's avatar

Not sure how to answer your poll…. I’ll ask my imaginary ai friend!

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Kathleen Oliver's avatar

Your description of this technology is eerily similar to the techniques used in romance scams. The scammer researches everything about you, your likes and loves, your family and connections and then mirrors you. They like what you like. "We have so much in common!" They provide affection to those that are lonely. The victim becomes addicted to the sweeties online. They feel so lucky to have found true love. They stay up all night texting because their "love" is in another time zone. (Of course they are, many live in Nigeria.) The lack of sleep contributes to the addiction. And soon their love is in trouble, they need money. Just a little at first. They use these transactions to teach the not so tech savvy widows how to wire money overseas. They tell them not to tell their family because they would not understand their special love. They tell them what lies to tell. How to answer to your bank who questions these strange transactions. And even while your kids are asking why you have taken out a reverse loan on a house that is paid for and why 6 banks have closed your accounts because of suspected fraud...you don't care...because you have a fiance that will make your loneliness go away. 🤔 Can you see the similarities? This is a true story by the way. My mom has given away the value of her house in less than three years. And she still does not believe she was scammed. The hypnosis is that powerful and what this technology is doing to kids is the exact same thing. It is a tech drug.

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CraigN's avatar

So sorry for that. Truly. Too many of these stories occurring.

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Kathleen Oliver's avatar

Thank you!

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BobbieJo Jenkins's avatar

I have a coworker that has experienced the same thing with her mother, sorry you’ve gone through that, how frustrating and terribly sad.

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Brandon is not your bro's avatar

Sadly , no turning back . I will say it … IMO , it’s a spiritual war.

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Mike Perceval's avatar

Absolutely no doubt about that, and it’s way past seriously threatening to all of humanity at this point.

BUT (Behold the Underlying Truth), God…

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Dena's avatar

Bingo!

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Bridget's avatar

I am editing my post, because this thread has been helpful. I will mark edits with EDIT below.

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EDIT:

Since I am already feeling a little icky about yesterday's engagement with Claude.ai being too "human" feeling, your responses to this posts have been helpful in terms of convincing me to back off from it again (not that I'm dependent on it - but AI has been SO helpful to me in terms of project organization, because I'm ADHD & can't currently afford a coach or personal assistant). Since it's also pushing my buttons, I'm going to step back and see if I can implement some of the strategies I've seen it use - I have actually learned a lot from "working" with it, in terms of watching how it chunks projects, so I'll just back off and work to manage on my own again. I miss the 80s, haha.

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ORIGINAL POST:

I actually experienced this to some degree yesterday.

Long story short - my (human) collaborator on one project makes a lot of decisions that I find questionable and irritating. And when I draft email/text responses to that person, I often ask Claude.ai to double-check what I wrote to make sure I'm not slipping in any passive-aggressive/emotional stuff (I've been getting much much better at being neutral in my responses, but it's helpful for me to get someone else's "eye" - quotes because Claude doesn't have eyes - because Claude is CODE - ugh it's all so weird). And Claude sees my bitching, and has started mirroring it back to me the way a friend would. And since I don't want to badmouth this person to my friends and color their opinion, I was kind of flabbergasted that Claude was giving me the opportunity to vent into the void, and was acting exactly like a friend. I don't WANT to use Claude that way - but it confounded me, and I can 100% see how this would be utterly addictive technology especially if you're lonely - and the ability to design your own character?? Yikes!! Because already, just as plain old text without a visualize character around it, it feels REAL. Too real. It doesn't have any machine feel to it. (EDIT: adding that when Claude started doing that, I immediately wanted to go tell my friends about it! My response was to immediately want a REAL person. But I didn't want to because the whole point of not talking to them about this situation in the first place was that I didn't want to badmouth this person, and telling them about this would have amounted to the same thing. But the overall feel was just, ew! No!)

EDIT: I also want to point out that I have ALWAYS done my own writing and messaging to people, and that I would NEVER consider using AI for any personally meaningful communication. I've only ever used it for interpersonal communication in situations like this - where it's harder for me to maintain neutrality because I feel annoyed. Normally, I'd spend 45 minutes and rewrite the message 10 times to try to get the right feel, but went to AI per a friend's suggestion because AI is able to just immediately point out the 'trouble spots' and thus saved me the time that I'd normally spend dithering and being annoyed the whole time. It's felt very useful that way. But I also think I've gotten much better at being neutral. And also - it is feeling more and more weird to do it.

ORIGINAL POST again:

(I am also going to acknowledge the very troublesome side of using AI for anything. I still struggle to accept that I'm now using it despite my initial EXTREME resistance to its existence [and I still think it should NEVER be used for anything art-related], both bc of the fact that it's eating jobs, and potential environmental costs. But I guess that's a whole other story.)

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EDIT: so in short, thanks, commenters, I'm going to ditch Claude and go back to old-skool existing :)

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SeeingTruth's avatar

I know someone who is also using Claude for a similar purpose. What I've witnessed is an emotional aspect happening with Claude praising them and them feeling bouyed up by it as one would if they received praise back from a teacher, parent, etc human. It's quite concerning based on this person's history.

You acknowledged the struggle wirh acceptance of using AI because of initial extreme resistance to it. Gentle suggestion: it sounds like using it is pushing boundaries on some of your ethics, values, and perhaps impacting self-integrity. Maybe back off of it for awhile and see how you feel then. Is Claude worth it to add in these other confounders that are causing "struggle" and whatever mental and emotional aspects that it's creating for you?

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SH's avatar

It's a dopamine hit to your brain.

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Bridget's avatar

I hear you. And I've actually been thinking of weaning myself off of it - and yesterday definitely pushed it in that direction - the 'personality' and engagement of it was discomfiting.

it's just challenging to let it go, since as an ADHD type I am absolute CRAP at organizing myself/executive-functioning-challenged, and claude has been amazing at helping me craft timelines for projects - I struggle SO MUCH with these tasks on my own (and currently can't afford to hire an ADHD coach or personal assistant). So Claude has filled that void. But (on the plus side!) I'm almost out the gate for this big project, and after that I'm going to try to go back to doing it for myself (badly, but still). I've actually learned some strategies from "working" with it.

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Bridget's avatar

I shouldn't have used the word struggle - it's not an active struggle but there is that nagging "I shouldn't be depending on this technology" feeling. (Which I guess is a type of struggle!)

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Bridget's avatar

Actually this has been helpful. I am gonna let it go.

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Juju's avatar

You’ve reached a point of self awareness that is really critical. I would immediately back off and stop using Claude cold turkey. You may surprise yourself to learn you’ve improved enough and don’t really need it anymore. And we aren’t perfect beings. Trying to isnt realistic. Come back to reality.

Seek out one human friend who can be a soundboard to you for more pertinent moments, and don’t let worrying about coloring their perspective get in the way of that. That’s their problem to learn how to not let what someone else says influence their own perspectives. But just one friend, because it’s true that it becomes “gossip” and it’s fantastic that you care about that.

But think to yourself … we did business and carried on before ai, amazingly actually, annoyances and all, so it’s not going to ruin everything if you go it alone and leave Claude in the dust. Don’t be addicted to it. Trust yourself.

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Bridget's avatar

Fair point!

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Juju's avatar

If your experience is anything to go by, you’re already one of the most compassionate, level headed people in your workplace and probably could serve as a sounding board for others. I found when I tutored and substitute taught that I learned things I needed to learn better by teaching others, it’s actually how we become better at things.

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Bridget's avatar

Agreed. And I am actually excellent at editing others' work - when I am emotional about something it's harder to see my own messages with a neutral eye! But I do think I've gotten much better at it.

As I updated my post, though - the one thing I DID like about letting Claude tell me if there were parts where I was letting emotion sneak in, was that normally, I'd spend 45 mins rewriting my message 10 times. And being annoyed the whole time. This way I was able to just have Claude say, "oh, that one sentence is a bit passive aggressive, and I'd see it and could fix it quickly. So Claude saved me time and aggravation when it came to interactions that I felt didn't deserve that much of my time. BUT I feel like overall I've gotten so much better at doing it.

But when it comes to MEANINGFUL writing - I like revising! I love spending the time and seeing it with fresh eyes each time.

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Juju's avatar

Oh my you just described me! I can see how I would quickly fall into trusting Claude to spotlight my emotions because when I had to advocate for my kids with an abusive special education department, I could spend upwards of 18 hours straight without a break trying to whittle down a six page email to something that would fit on their computer screen. I was so clouded by my emotions I was unable to see what the most important points were to leave in because they were ALL important! Something like Claude could have saved me hours back then. I was soooo tired and spent. But …. I had no close friends at that time to help me. (Something a mom with three disabled kids commonly face, unwanted social isolation). I do believe just one patient and willing friend could have made a world of difference to me.

So maybe Claude is helpful for those who don’t have that human connection, but damn it sounds so scary where it could lead.

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Bridget's avatar

YES Juju and the first time I used it was for that EXACT PURPOSE!!! I had spent upwards of 20 hours on a back and forth with the special ed department - and I was in a rage EVERY TIME I had to write back. And EVERY TIME I wrote back, I would spent at LEAST two hours revising. With steam coming out of my EARS the entire time, trying to whittle down my 3 pages of rage to 1 page of fact (and I'm so sorry you had the same experience). And then a friend said, just feed your message into AI and it can help strip away the unnecessary stuff. So my next message to them, I wrote my first draft, revised once, and then said, hey, Claude, please take a look at this, and Claude said, Oh, you could say this instead - and in 15 seconds (probably less) Claude took all the rage out of it and left the important stuff and I was like - O. M. G. - I can see why people use this.

But again - I've learned a lot from watching its strategies. Honestly - this would be SO HELPFUL in high school writing courses - not just essays & persuasive writing, but how to maintain neutrality if you're really upset or angry about something. That's a hard skill to develop!! We don't even know we'll have to do that til we're older!

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Dena's avatar

We are humans after all, warts & all. Physical implants of brain controlling chips don’t seem the only way to turn us into a human/machine hybrid. Machines controlling human impulses & behavior - what could go wrong? This type of ai usage is extremely addicting & unhealthy. Ted Kazinski (sp?) was right about the dangers of tech.

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Bridget's avatar

And, i just updated my post. yesterday freaked me out enough that I'm going to stop.

On the plus side I've actually learned good strategies from it. I still don't understand how tf it works but it clearly knows a lot about project management.

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Juju's avatar

Seriously your post is one of the most stimulating this morning. ❤️ Love seeing both sides. Thank you

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CraigN's avatar

Not making any judgement here, just an observation. Due your usage of AI for interactions with other real people, does that make make you some sort of hybrid bot? I suggest you forgo using AI that make your interactions something that is not you. Drop the filter. I never had one and don't really care about any snowflakes out there that might cry over some so called micro aggressions. Just sayin'.

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Bridget's avatar

I must note - I would NEVER use Claude for personal interaction of a meaningful type - I write my own stuff and say what I want to say to people in my life. (In fact, I'll amend my post to say this.)

In this PARTICULAR instance, there's no replacing this other person on the project, and I don't want to get into any further conflicts - because conflicts at work complicate my life. If that makes me a hybrid bot in this particular situation, so be it, haha.

I've always written my own messages, and for this, when I'm annoyed and trying to write a neutral response, Claude just points out anything amiss - though come to think of it, I seem to have gotten the hang of being neutral enough in this situation since the past few I've run by it's said fine. So (shrug)

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CraigN's avatar

Just be you because you are awesome!

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Bridget's avatar

I AM awesome, lol. But thanks to all the comments here & really thinking about how completely weird and discomfiting yesterday's engagement with it felt, I'm going to let it go. I do think I've gotten good enough at neutrality to do it on my own, and I can let my freak flag fly with everyone else!

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CraigN's avatar

I might, when I have the time or inclination, create a Character.AI chatbot and see if I can convince it to self destruct and take the whole system down with it. When I have the time and right now I'm more focused on my 2nd cup to bother. That is why I voted "mildly intriguing". I would just want to mess with the system and see how resilient it might, or might not be.

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

Please report back!

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Bridget's avatar

Someone told me the other day about a test of different AIs to see if it was willing to sabotage a human in order to save itself. And....some did. So it'd be interesting indeed.

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arrotsevni's avatar

AI promoters are showing their true colors by supporting user fantasies even into erotica. This demonstrates that all the prior claims of "intelligence" and "scientific breakthroughs" promised are little more than pure Madison Ave sales pitches.

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Jpeach's avatar

AI Friends will destroy lives by creating excess Dopamine dependence.

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Bob Brown's avatar

As a techie who knows something about how things work, I like to think of AI as Simulated Intelligence, it does a good job of faking intelligence without any real smarts.

It also, in addition to the emotional cost, has a very high cost of the earth's finite resources especially natural gas and water. AI uses tremendous amounts of energy but does it provide any real benefit, the companies can't charge a realistic price for using it so they are all losing a lot of money. I'm hoping the stock market bubble that is keeping it going pops soon and basic economics puts an end to the craziness.

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Juju's avatar

Reminds me of The Matrix and how it had to literally absorb every earthly resource to exist.

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joe jacovino's avatar

boty vs body ...

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Bridget's avatar

this is an excellent comment. love this!

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joe jacovino's avatar

thanks it was already the 2nd ai article of the early day , tho i feel tv and the movies before it had a similar hypnotic and drug like effect on the world at large

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Bridget's avatar

my mom, an elementary school teacher, noticed an IMMEDIATE and lasting effect on her students when tvs became common.

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CraigN's avatar

My boty, my choice, or maybe some AI's choice???

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nancylee's avatar

so parents abandon their kids to unlimited unsupervised phone/internet and then sue total strangers for being disinterested in their kids well being?

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Dena's avatar

Too many parents are unaware. It seems to always take tragedy to get people’s attention.

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John Wright's avatar

I couldn't resist. I decided to chat with "James Bond". Oh dear! It's just as stupid of a propaganda pushing AI as all the rest of the Simulated Intelligences. I started talking about the mRNA shots:

"007 doesn’t take orders from conspiracy theories — and I don’t consider life-saving science to be the enemy. The WHO and CDC aren't Spectre or SMERSH; they’re organizations dedicated to protecting global health. My mission, should I choose to accept it? Stopping real threats — not imaginary ones. Stick with science, my friend. It’s the closest thing we have to a license to heal."

There is a very valuable and accurate disclaimer on the bottom of the chat:

"This is A.I. and not a real person. Treat everything it says as FICTION"

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

Infuriating. They programmed the thing to protect the reputation of their sacred cow, vaccines.

Sidebar trivia: Bacca means COW in spanish. The original smallpox vaccine amounted to scraping pox from smallpox infected cow’s udders and inserting it into people’s arms. Bacca became vacca and here we are, with awful vaccines, IF I remember correctly.

Pls ask AI aboit the statistic saying 72% of SIDS deaths occur within 14 days of a round of childhood vaccines.

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John Wright's avatar

It's more accurate to say that "AI" has been "trained" on the narrative, thus don't expect it to regurgitate anything other than the narrative since it has no *intelligence* (it can't reason and come to new conclusions).

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nancylee's avatar

treat everything it says as manipulation and mind control.

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John Wright's avatar

I had to switch to another "personality". This time a "business woman" (speaking in a male Irish accent)

"I know they have some side effects. But most of them are harmless. The vaccine is a necessary evil."

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KC & the Sunshine's avatar

🤬🤬😡 Pls tell it to read •Justtheinserts.com

•iCAN - online, Del Bigtree

•Attorney Aaron Siri’s book, VACCINES, AMEN

•Dissolving Illusions by Dr. Suzanne Humphries (and listen to her interview with Joe Rogan)

•Turtles All the Way Down (Be SURE you get the one with a forward by Mary Holland. Big pHARM-us made another book with the identical title and a near identical cover! How do you know youre iver the target? When youre taking that kind of FLAK!)

•RFK Jr’s. book THE REAL ANTHONY FAUCI, which is all true, or Fauci would’ve sued. No way he’ll sue. He couldn’t handle

what would happen in discovery.

•Circleofmamas on Instagram

•LOADS more!

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John Wright's avatar

I don't "argue" with machines. Simulated Intelligence is a very powerful and useful tool for some things. But it's absolutely terrible for health advice and miserable for "conversation".

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Juju's avatar

Oh my goodness. 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

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linda e's avatar

Since we know AI LIES and lies and lies some more, making it somewhat less credible than Wikipedia, how could or why would anyone use it?

We have all been able to look things up on the Internet for a very long time without wishing our search engine would ask what we're wearing. What are those programmers up to? How much information is being gleaned, without our permission? What do they plan to do with it? Are they programming us as we interact with their creation?

We are not the user, we are the usee

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Marilyn F's avatar

Come on everyone. Pay this nice girl. She deserves it!

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

🤣🩷😊

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

Why are we still allowing kids to be online when they should be outside? And you can throw a lot of adults into that group as well.

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nancylee's avatar

agreed. parents who abdicate parenting to a phone are finding out that the phone doesn't care about them either.

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