When used in the right ways, AI can be amazing, but like everything else on this planet, the resources for AI are being centralized and consolidated. The solution is to decentralize it all.
Not sure I agree there. I see Flock as a tentacle, one that oversteps privacy rights in the public spaces. I see AI doing the same thing with your entire online footprint, from browsing to banking to email to shopping, creating a similar flock-heatmap-tracking of your ever-increasing life online, and with its continued use and permitted extent into our lives, it has the ability to block your online life à la 1995’s “The Net”.
AI gone rogue would do what many other movies have theorized by using Flock (London has had millions of security cameras tied together for decades before flock), building security systems, camera doorbells, satellite imagery, online activity, etc. to monitor your movements and interests.
We are splitting hairs (aka I agree with you). "AI" is not a threat. But AI combined with surveillance (Flock cameras, email scanning, web traffic analysis, etc) is a serious threat which has been ongoing for decades, it's just accelerating and getting worse.
Blocking online life and blocking banking can absolutely destroy a person and it takes "nothing" for them to do this.
Try watching "Person of Interest" where AI users the ubiquity of flock-like cameras (and more) as tools of evil people to rule the world. It took an AI at the hands of Good people to destroy it.
Speaking of which, at a recent AI conference I attended, I asked the speaker about "morals" or ethics in AI, given some disastrous examples of AI turning on people who had put limits on performing a mission or achieving an objective. I cited one in which an Air Force test simulation (or was it?) used AI to find and kill a target, but to leave the "kill or no kill" decision to a human. The AI found out where the human was and eliminated him, and then went back to kill the target. I also explained my conversation with a university professor working on a NSA project with AI, and found that correcting bad input or information is VERY difficult.
I need to explain a concept here about Ai systems. They are not intelligent per se, just very good prediction systems about what the next likely word or phrase will be to satisfy the conditions or answer, using probabilities.
Back to my question about "morals" or "ethics".
The presenter said (with a bit of a smirk) "Oh, you want a deterministic (defined or limited) outcome with a probabilistic engine. Good luck."
Chew on that a bit.
I recall George AI was going to be built by Glenn Beck on Just what materials were available to our founding fathers. I wonder how that went. It had a good demo (George Washington in a tight shirt - with good body tone, natch) and presented principle-based answers to modern problems. Nicole Shanahan suggested a year or two ago that an AI based on the Constitution would be a good model to promote limited government and maintain personal freedoms.
I loved Person of Interest. And yes, there is absolutely no intelligence in AI systems, which is why they need constant training to make the decisions we would make.
And to think back to "Short Circuit" where Johnny Five said "more input!" while high speed scanning books in a voracious manner. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WnTKllDbu5o
Isn't that the Chinese approach,, decentralization? And doesn't it come with significant cost advantages? If so, is our current centralized approach missing the boat (see dinosaur/ark photo)? Inquiring minds want to understand.
One thing people overlook is that you can download the AI models and run them on your own computers. The average person however doesn't have access or the computing power to run the "frontier models" (which aren't actually that much better).
The federal government, recognizing some sort of national security importance to global computing dominance, can allay the fears of the masses by dictating that all data centers SHALL GUARANTEE no change to their local or state electrical and water bills by supplying their own electricity and water however necessary. Or they can pay 100% of the infrastructure costs and ongoing maintenance costs to ensure capacity through the public utilities to achieve the same. Up front. Or they don’t get to operate.
I thought they tried that, but because of State’s rights, the Federal gov’t can only go so far, and then the States have to be responsible for the negotiation. I’m not 100% sure because everything is moving at ludicrous speed.
I don't care if I am SUPER intelligent or SUPER cynical, but anybody in, on, or near government property signing a piece of paper provides ZERO security, morality, or reassurance.
Rhetorical question, but are Americans actually that stupid?!?!
I think the real reason for this psyop is to convince people that AI is too dangerous for the average person to have and it must be controlled by a small subset of billionaires.
We are on the cusp of being able to have a thought and it can become a reality. An entire freeway was built in china with only machines. The Farmbot can plant, water, fertilize and weed an entire field providing food for villages with only sunlight. We aren't too far off from the ability to think "I want a spaceship to go to Mars" and automation could mine the materials, refine them, design and build the space ship and test fly it for you. All at zero cost and just sunlight to power it. It can even repair itself if needed.
We no longer need the profit model to survive. We only need to be cautious of our own thoughts (and everyone elses). Perhaps this is the government regulation excuse? but who are the biggest threats to have control of this technology? The government and people like Gates? The very people who are trying to keep exclusive control are the ones that may use it for building tools to eliminate humanity. The same humanity that is no longer needed for workers...
It is time for a conversation, but we aren't invited to the table. Instead we are being lied to and presented with hoaxes about AI hacking websites that it was given passwords for.
It has been shown to send your home dimensions and layout to China. And since you have to give it your wifi password for updates, it's probably scanning your network for what devices are there. Much like LG TV's were found to be doing.
I’m under the impression that the two AI companies asking Daddy Government to slow down is because they are bleeding money and need a minute to catch their breath from a CapEx perspective, and conveniently squash the smaller competitive companies nipping at their heels. As for the Data Centers, again I’m under the impression that they are not just to power AI, but to replace our failing and compromised infrastructure (and will include nuclear power through small nuclear reactors, which is an important game changer). As to the Data Center water hoax, it’s self circulating system. Golf course courses are worse.
"I’m under the impression that the two AI companies asking Daddy Government to slow down is because they are bleeding money and need a minute to catch their breath from a CapEx perspective, and conveniently squash the smaller competitive companies nipping at their heels."
They can see the (near) future. Insufficient income, cheaper competitors, and failing IPOs. It's a cry for help, where help means destroying the smaller competitors.
Not true about the self-circulating system. That water in the "system" needs to be changed; and when it's purged, it contaminates (with forever chemicals, toxins, etc) everything it comes into contact with. That said, the "data center's" water "needs" are likely the cover story for diverting the water supply into the Epst€in-class billionaires underground cities, where they believe they'll live (forever) in their utopia, away from the filthy useless eaters they despise until the last of the mRNA-injected transfected transhumans they created are finally eliminated.
If Gates says it, then I tend to believe the opposite. We need to resolve issues regarding data centers and move forward. AI, SI is not going away. Tech security professionals have job security as they need to help us keep our data secure and private. They have their work cut out for them.
The whole purpose of AI/SI is to make sure your data is neither safe nor private as everything about it is meant to surveill every minute detail of your life/activities, to be collected & complied by the g0vt for your complete control, by the very techno-fascist broligarchy billionaires whose objective is to eliminate you ASAP so as not to interfere with the resources AI/SI needs to monitor and control everything you say, think or do.
Nobody really cares what I think about anything. So ho-hum, carry on, SI aka AI has been released and can't be recaptured. I'm more concerned about of having found ants in my kitchen this morning.
Meanwhile... an unsettling large portion of voters are all in on socialism, the middle east is looking more like ground zero for the apocalypse, Russia is using nuclear threats (again), and California is still acting.
Ok everyone! Calm down! Elon Musk has a plan to put Data Centers in space. (No more earth data centers, YEA! No more protests! Yea! Now, what are we going to protest?) The data centers will get the power from the sun and when you want to use SI (not to be confused with Sports Illustrated), the information will be beamed down to you using your subscription to Spacenet (or Skynet, or xPhone, or whatever the billionaires are making you buy). How wonderful will that be????
Simulated Intelligence! It's not artificial nor super! It's not intelligence.
Are you afraid of:
"Grok was unable to reply.
Something went wrong, please refresh to reconnect or try again."
Lumo didn't choke (like Grok did) when I asked: "How much vitamin C should the average human supplement with daily for optimal health?"
It regurgitated RDA nonsense, warned us "2,000 mg/day is the Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) for most adults." and finally concluded with "For potential optimal benefits: 200-400 mg/day is supported by research and remains well below safety limits" - which is complete nonsense for any well educated nutrition oriented health practitioner.
In other words, you are fool if you are getting advice from simulated intelligence instead of a truly intelligent and well educated human.
Also many of the things we get headlines marveling at now, "AI" was doing SEVEN years ago. The progress is slower than they would have you believe. While I listen to AI enthusiasts gush about it, the more I work with it the less competent it seems.
Go ahead and chat with it, it's pretty good at that. It can keep lonely people company. Otherwise it's just a really awesome search engine.
AI/SI is most consequential technology ever. Combined with robotics it can eliminate Mankind or tell you the exact odds of surviving a lightning strike. Unfortunately for us Humans, the Tech Bros and their Puppet Masters are in control of AI/SI. These Puppet Masters believe there are way too many Humans and have a history of using technology as their primary weapon (Gain of Function, mRNA Technology, Pharmaceuticals, Vaccines, 5G, Geoengineering, etc.). The AI/SI Genie is already out of bottle and hopefully the White Hats can protect Mankind.
There are no white hats, which is the glaring problem. Once you know the agenda and the tools needed to achieve the end goals of enslavement, you realize the alleged white hats don't exist; they're the (propaganda) vehicle by which the mASSes will get on the board the train taking them to their own demise.
lol such a great post! Jim Breuer has an interesting take on all this AI nonsense: https://youtube.com/shorts/vsbZDzr7T78
When used in the right ways, AI can be amazing, but like everything else on this planet, the resources for AI are being centralized and consolidated. The solution is to decentralize it all.
As Flock has so perfectly demonstrated, it cannot be trusted to be used correctly.
This is an excellent point! Flock is a far greater threat to humanity than "AI" is.
Not sure I agree there. I see Flock as a tentacle, one that oversteps privacy rights in the public spaces. I see AI doing the same thing with your entire online footprint, from browsing to banking to email to shopping, creating a similar flock-heatmap-tracking of your ever-increasing life online, and with its continued use and permitted extent into our lives, it has the ability to block your online life à la 1995’s “The Net”.
AI gone rogue would do what many other movies have theorized by using Flock (London has had millions of security cameras tied together for decades before flock), building security systems, camera doorbells, satellite imagery, online activity, etc. to monitor your movements and interests.
We are splitting hairs (aka I agree with you). "AI" is not a threat. But AI combined with surveillance (Flock cameras, email scanning, web traffic analysis, etc) is a serious threat which has been ongoing for decades, it's just accelerating and getting worse.
Blocking online life and blocking banking can absolutely destroy a person and it takes "nothing" for them to do this.
Try watching "Person of Interest" where AI users the ubiquity of flock-like cameras (and more) as tools of evil people to rule the world. It took an AI at the hands of Good people to destroy it.
Speaking of which, at a recent AI conference I attended, I asked the speaker about "morals" or ethics in AI, given some disastrous examples of AI turning on people who had put limits on performing a mission or achieving an objective. I cited one in which an Air Force test simulation (or was it?) used AI to find and kill a target, but to leave the "kill or no kill" decision to a human. The AI found out where the human was and eliminated him, and then went back to kill the target. I also explained my conversation with a university professor working on a NSA project with AI, and found that correcting bad input or information is VERY difficult.
I need to explain a concept here about Ai systems. They are not intelligent per se, just very good prediction systems about what the next likely word or phrase will be to satisfy the conditions or answer, using probabilities.
Back to my question about "morals" or "ethics".
The presenter said (with a bit of a smirk) "Oh, you want a deterministic (defined or limited) outcome with a probabilistic engine. Good luck."
Chew on that a bit.
I recall George AI was going to be built by Glenn Beck on Just what materials were available to our founding fathers. I wonder how that went. It had a good demo (George Washington in a tight shirt - with good body tone, natch) and presented principle-based answers to modern problems. Nicole Shanahan suggested a year or two ago that an AI based on the Constitution would be a good model to promote limited government and maintain personal freedoms.
I loved Person of Interest. And yes, there is absolutely no intelligence in AI systems, which is why they need constant training to make the decisions we would make.
And to think back to "Short Circuit" where Johnny Five said "more input!" while high speed scanning books in a voracious manner. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WnTKllDbu5o
How quaint. Heh.
Isn't that the Chinese approach,, decentralization? And doesn't it come with significant cost advantages? If so, is our current centralized approach missing the boat (see dinosaur/ark photo)? Inquiring minds want to understand.
One thing people overlook is that you can download the AI models and run them on your own computers. The average person however doesn't have access or the computing power to run the "frontier models" (which aren't actually that much better).
Mike Adams talks extensively about this.
The federal government, recognizing some sort of national security importance to global computing dominance, can allay the fears of the masses by dictating that all data centers SHALL GUARANTEE no change to their local or state electrical and water bills by supplying their own electricity and water however necessary. Or they can pay 100% of the infrastructure costs and ongoing maintenance costs to ensure capacity through the public utilities to achieve the same. Up front. Or they don’t get to operate.
I thought they tried that, but because of State’s rights, the Federal gov’t can only go so far, and then the States have to be responsible for the negotiation. I’m not 100% sure because everything is moving at ludicrous speed.
I don't care if I am SUPER intelligent or SUPER cynical, but anybody in, on, or near government property signing a piece of paper provides ZERO security, morality, or reassurance.
Rhetorical question, but are Americans actually that stupid?!?!
I think the real reason for this psyop is to convince people that AI is too dangerous for the average person to have and it must be controlled by a small subset of billionaires.
We are on the cusp of being able to have a thought and it can become a reality. An entire freeway was built in china with only machines. The Farmbot can plant, water, fertilize and weed an entire field providing food for villages with only sunlight. We aren't too far off from the ability to think "I want a spaceship to go to Mars" and automation could mine the materials, refine them, design and build the space ship and test fly it for you. All at zero cost and just sunlight to power it. It can even repair itself if needed.
We no longer need the profit model to survive. We only need to be cautious of our own thoughts (and everyone elses). Perhaps this is the government regulation excuse? but who are the biggest threats to have control of this technology? The government and people like Gates? The very people who are trying to keep exclusive control are the ones that may use it for building tools to eliminate humanity. The same humanity that is no longer needed for workers...
It is time for a conversation, but we aren't invited to the table. Instead we are being lied to and presented with hoaxes about AI hacking websites that it was given passwords for.
The media blitz has al the hallmarks of the Davos crowd's well oiled diversionary machine.
Yes. Easy to spot.
Safe and effective, where have I heard that before.
Hmmm….. Self policing 😂😂😂😂
A. I. Letting stupid people do stupid things faster. And if it's a threat to the future of humanity.... PULL OUT THE PLUG !
And it's being built by young engineers with little life experience, much less awareness. What could go wrong?
Turn off the humans! They are the real threat!
I don’t know about everyone else but I’m unplugging my Roomba!
I'm not giving up my Roomba. Although it does sometimes randomly turn itself on and starts cleaning up. So it is a little sketchy.
It has been shown to send your home dimensions and layout to China. And since you have to give it your wifi password for updates, it's probably scanning your network for what devices are there. Much like LG TV's were found to be doing.
Mine is not hooked up to the wifi. It works without it. Mine is not good at remembering the layout. Sometimes it can't find it's own charging station.
I’m under the impression that the two AI companies asking Daddy Government to slow down is because they are bleeding money and need a minute to catch their breath from a CapEx perspective, and conveniently squash the smaller competitive companies nipping at their heels. As for the Data Centers, again I’m under the impression that they are not just to power AI, but to replace our failing and compromised infrastructure (and will include nuclear power through small nuclear reactors, which is an important game changer). As to the Data Center water hoax, it’s self circulating system. Golf course courses are worse.
What he said:
"I’m under the impression that the two AI companies asking Daddy Government to slow down is because they are bleeding money and need a minute to catch their breath from a CapEx perspective, and conveniently squash the smaller competitive companies nipping at their heels."
They can see the (near) future. Insufficient income, cheaper competitors, and failing IPOs. It's a cry for help, where help means destroying the smaller competitors.
Not true about the self-circulating system. That water in the "system" needs to be changed; and when it's purged, it contaminates (with forever chemicals, toxins, etc) everything it comes into contact with. That said, the "data center's" water "needs" are likely the cover story for diverting the water supply into the Epst€in-class billionaires underground cities, where they believe they'll live (forever) in their utopia, away from the filthy useless eaters they despise until the last of the mRNA-injected transfected transhumans they created are finally eliminated.
If Gates says it, then I tend to believe the opposite. We need to resolve issues regarding data centers and move forward. AI, SI is not going away. Tech security professionals have job security as they need to help us keep our data secure and private. They have their work cut out for them.
The whole purpose of AI/SI is to make sure your data is neither safe nor private as everything about it is meant to surveill every minute detail of your life/activities, to be collected & complied by the g0vt for your complete control, by the very techno-fascist broligarchy billionaires whose objective is to eliminate you ASAP so as not to interfere with the resources AI/SI needs to monitor and control everything you say, think or do.
Nobody really cares what I think about anything. So ho-hum, carry on, SI aka AI has been released and can't be recaptured. I'm more concerned about of having found ants in my kitchen this morning.
I found a roach so it’s time to burn my house down.
I agree with that
Meanwhile... an unsettling large portion of voters are all in on socialism, the middle east is looking more like ground zero for the apocalypse, Russia is using nuclear threats (again), and California is still acting.
@Bad- didn't Nostradamus say the end will start in the Middle East?
Ok everyone! Calm down! Elon Musk has a plan to put Data Centers in space. (No more earth data centers, YEA! No more protests! Yea! Now, what are we going to protest?) The data centers will get the power from the sun and when you want to use SI (not to be confused with Sports Illustrated), the information will be beamed down to you using your subscription to Spacenet (or Skynet, or xPhone, or whatever the billionaires are making you buy). How wonderful will that be????
I wanted the poll option - resist at all costs.
Simulated Intelligence! It's not artificial nor super! It's not intelligence.
Are you afraid of:
"Grok was unable to reply.
Something went wrong, please refresh to reconnect or try again."
Lumo didn't choke (like Grok did) when I asked: "How much vitamin C should the average human supplement with daily for optimal health?"
It regurgitated RDA nonsense, warned us "2,000 mg/day is the Tolerable Upper Intake Level (UL) for most adults." and finally concluded with "For potential optimal benefits: 200-400 mg/day is supported by research and remains well below safety limits" - which is complete nonsense for any well educated nutrition oriented health practitioner.
In other words, you are fool if you are getting advice from simulated intelligence instead of a truly intelligent and well educated human.
Also many of the things we get headlines marveling at now, "AI" was doing SEVEN years ago. The progress is slower than they would have you believe. While I listen to AI enthusiasts gush about it, the more I work with it the less competent it seems.
Go ahead and chat with it, it's pretty good at that. It can keep lonely people company. Otherwise it's just a really awesome search engine.
AI/SI is most consequential technology ever. Combined with robotics it can eliminate Mankind or tell you the exact odds of surviving a lightning strike. Unfortunately for us Humans, the Tech Bros and their Puppet Masters are in control of AI/SI. These Puppet Masters believe there are way too many Humans and have a history of using technology as their primary weapon (Gain of Function, mRNA Technology, Pharmaceuticals, Vaccines, 5G, Geoengineering, etc.). The AI/SI Genie is already out of bottle and hopefully the White Hats can protect Mankind.
There are no white hats, which is the glaring problem. Once you know the agenda and the tools needed to achieve the end goals of enslavement, you realize the alleged white hats don't exist; they're the (propaganda) vehicle by which the mASSes will get on the board the train taking them to their own demise.
I'd still take indoor plumbing if I had to choose.
The tech bros want liability protection. ‘Cuz that always works out well.
Pharma is a good example of that and police officers abusing the flock camera info.