Hi Jenna, thanks for sharing my piece with your readers!
And honestly this was hilarious. You might be surprised to know we feel very similarly about many things.
I also wanted to point you and your readers to a conversation I had with Pierre Kory and Bret Weinstein while at CHD. It’s on the Why Should I Trust You? podcast. Bret called it “great” and “productive”. Pierre said “We need more conversations like this.” If you have trouble finding it, it’s pinned to Pierre’s Twitter profile.
Appreciate you being such a good sport. I listened to the podcast yesterday (Pierre sent it to me right after reading my piece), and I agree, we absolutely need more conversations like that.
As for us “feeling similarly about many things”… after reading some of your work and hearing that interview, I’m certainly curious what you think those might be! 😄 I'm skeptical but game to find out. If you’re ever up for a chat, I’m in.
I’m so very curious,Jenna,what Craig means by “this was hilarious “. It doesn’t quite come off ( to me) as a sincere compliment on your marvelous writing style. Is that what it was? The written word can be so difficult to accurately comprehend when the motives of the writer is suspect..
Either way,more intelligent,non- biased discussion on this subject is definitely needed. I truly hope Craig takes the time to look at the research that Tom and Laura,and,so many other amazing people have done…!
Craig - if you have any desire to delve more into the clots my colleague, Tom Haviland showed you while you were waiting in line, my Substack will provide you with the information. And if need be, our team is always willing to answer any questions - in particular our organic chemist and our neuroscientist.
Craig, on 8 June 2025 I was a Guest Speaker at the Tennessee Funeral Directors Association Annual Convention in Franklin, TN. Their 2024-2025 President, Mr. Taylor Moore, invited me there because the TN funeral directors and embalmers are still VERY CONCERNED about these WHITE FIBROUS CLOTS that they NEVER saw before until 2021 AFTER the Covid jabs rolled out. I conducted an in-person paper survey that same day in which the TN embalmers responded that they were finding the WHITE FIBROUS CLOTS in the veins and arteries of a SHOCKING 17% of their corpses during the first half of 2025!
Watch this and see that about two-thirds of these Tennessee embalmers leave their hands up when asked if they have seen this new type of horrific WHITE FIBROUS CLOT over the past few years. Keep in mind that I had no idea how many would leave their hands up when I asked this question. If zero had left their hands up, then we all could have considered this a hoax and just walked away. But watch the video and see just how many TN embalmers leave their hands up, indicating that they are indeed seeing these WHITE FIBROUS CLOTS. I think that you'll be shocked, Craig!
In fact, Craig, I invite you to write an article to warn your readers about these new WHITE FIBROUS CLOTS that have been causing strokes and heart attacks for the last 5 years, ever since the Covid jabs came out. Please feel free to use any of the information on my partner, Ms. Laura Kasner's free "Clotastrophe" Substack at LauraKasner.Substack.com
Craig, we definitely need more conversation. Every viewpoint should be discussed calmly and rationally.
I'm glad you can appreciate Jenna's humor. She's a very skilled author that does a great job of bringing important (and not so important) attention to a variety of topics.
Just in case you missed it here in Jenna's piece —
Note to Spencer: Your side already tried floating the pandemic amnesty idea. Remember? That whole golly-we-were-all-hoodwinked-weren’t-we-so-let’s-just-forgive-each-other-and-have-a-nice-group-hug appeal that showed up unexpected and dripping in liberal denial? It was not well-received. (Also, no way! The author of that piece is your colleague at Brown? The serendipity of it all!) You don’t “reach across the aisle” when the people on the other side are still holding loaded syringes and have yet to apologize for maiming your boss or murdering your best friend. That’s not bipartisanship; that’s Stockholm Syndrome with better PR.
I am over the moon with hope that MAHA and the medical establishment might be able to start up a conversation in which our side is not treated like lepers or traitors or fascists or, well , you know how it was during covid. I look forward to the medical community taking us seriously. Thank you for your kind words.
I love it too. Mary Ann, do check out my podcast. We have hosted over a dozen conversations between MAHA supporters and the public health and medical establishment (we hosted Craig and Pierre and Bret a few days ago). Yes, there are profound areas of disagreement. But it’s where y’all agree that is incredibly inspiring.
It seems to me as if the good doctor came to see if he could figure out how to change the medical freedom movement back into the public health establishment sheep flock. He came, he saw and left with no evidence that he was actually open to anything. Just a reconnaissance mission!!!
Public health has been an unmitigated disaster for the last few decades, probably because it's been completely coopted by $pecial interests, namely pharma.
As much as I typicaly would give you (and anyone) the benefit of doubt that you came to engage sincerely with good intentions, you admit (in your essay) that you were there "to understand what you were up against". So yes it would be fun to spar with you and your foolishness, but I'm not interested in being your training partner.
I will say this; the fact that a "public health" (sarcasm quotes) advocates feel the need to engage with this community and it's no longer enough to silence or othwerwise ignore us, shows progress. A tiny bit of progress. But we'll take it.
The field of Public Health appears to have descended into Group Think, encouraged by the federal public health agencies. Its concerns should be its traditional concerns: water, sewage, and the like and not the right of individuals to exercise informed consent.
One of my favorite thoughts, which should be applied to what has happened to public health, is this from C.S.Lewis: "OF ALL TYRANNIES, A TYRANNY EXERCISED FOR THE GOOD OF ITS VICTIMS MAY BE THE MOST OPPRESSIVE. IT MAY BE BETTER TO LIVE UNDER ROBBER BARONS THAN UNDER OMNIPOTENT MORAL BUSYBODIES. THE ROBBER BARONS CRUELTY MAY SOMETIMES SLEEP, HIS CUPIDITY MAY
AT SOME POINT BE SATIATED; BUT THOSE WHO TORMENT US FOR OUR OWN GOOD WILL TORMENT US WITHOUT END, FOR THEY DO SO WITH THE
APPROVAL OF THEIR OWN CONSCIENCE." That is what covid did to us. And it will be a very long time before I forget or forgive.
Craig’s article made me realize something. They have no idea the power we have and the minds we’ve changed. And NO ONE is going over to “their” side. Our ranks are growing. And I want to assure everyone here, we are WINNING.
The WHITE CLOTS have now entered STAT NEWS!!! Greatful Craig Spencer went to the CHD conference and wrote about Tom Haviland approaching him and showing a vial of the white fibrous clots - as they say, "no publicity is bad publicity".
It makes me ponder if any of his colleagues who read his "essay" and have seen the clots in their practices will wake up some more.
He didn’t have to mention in his post about Tom showing him the clots. And it was his very first sentence! He really said nothing truly derogatory other than “alleged”.
I have very little doubt that people like that are paid handsomely to attend such gatherings of any type of organized activity that *might* negatively impact the bottom lines of pharmaceutical corporations.
*Very* little doubt. These fools need to open their bank accounts and prove to us all that they don't take piles of Pharma cash. Try asking. I have many times online. They always disappear at that point. Peter Hotez is a wonderful example. Bought & paid for, no doubt whatsoever.
Interesting, Keith. I was at a Brownstone Institute Health Freedom conference this past September at Polyface farm, and reporters from Politico kept trying to sneak onto the farm even though they were told they were not welcome. I never did find out if they wrote an article about the conference.
I find it fascinating that he described Tom as "gregarious" and wrote things about Tom's history and yet neglected to add a descriptor to "clots". Fantastic that you emailed him - and can't wait to hear what happens next!
One has to ponder why this Craig/Pub Hlth dude would be compelled to 'get out of (Dodge) town and head off to Austin.
Was it due to the possibility that his wife was complaining that the kids just aren't the same any longer after they received their annual shots to attend 'public' school?
Was it due to the possibility that a Pub Hlth cohort who lives/works in the Austin area was just diagnosed with turbo cancer, and he needed a way to visit and write off the expenses as a (business??) justifiable event by writing an article about it?
Might it be that while at work back at Brown his phone keeps blowing up with angry citizenry demanding answers why 57% of kids now suffer from chronic illnesses and they want to know what he's doing about it?
Everyone with white fibrous clots should simply mail them to the writer, and his "editors." It's reached a point where someone needs to slap death clots onto their foreheads.
And you just made me think of that Batman slapping Robin meme except Batman is slapping Robin with one of those big ol' night crawler white clots and the idea of slapping a few people I know with those white clots right in the face gives me a bit of a happy. Obviously I won't resort to such violence irl, but imagining it gives me at least a touch of catharsis on that. Fuck you, deny this.
Yes. And you two, and many others, are doing excellent work to make it happen. (I am doing my bit, too, behind the scenes.)
Unfortunately I know personally a number of people like this person, they have loads of credentials, they are die-hard believers in vaccines, admirers of Dr Fauci (yes, really). They apparently cannot fathom what has happened and what is happening, why their own health, their own family members' health, and their professional status (especially their professional authority / market value) seems to be wobbling or even plummeting, so they grasp at the easy, ego-soothing stories, mainly the ones they get spoon-fed from the legacy media— or, in this instance, that they themselves spoonfed to the media. So they paint it that anyone who questions the "narrative" about "vaccines" is some kind of primitive kook— not worth attending to, other than primly worrying about. For all their professional "authority" they really do not have a freaking clue what they are defending, and it is both frustrating and very sad for me to watch this continuing in my own world for so many years. I appreciate your efforts, Laura Kasner, so much.
Love your comment "And NO ONE is going over to "their" side. Our ranks are growing." This is so true and so encouraging! I have NEVER heard of someone who has refused the jab and revolted against covid mandates for these last 5 years, all of a sudden do an about-face and say, oh wait, they were right and I was wrong. Nope, not anyone. Thanks Jenna and Laura - loved reading this today.
I posted a "letter to the editor" at the website that published Dr. Spencer's report. We'll see if they run it. Here it is:
Dear Editor:
Did the author look closely at the "embalmers' clots" that Tom Haviland showed him? Did he follow-up and look at numerous photos that have been published of these long, thick, never-before-seen white fibrous "clots" that up to 70 percent of surveyed embalmers have been finding on a routine basis in corpses for more than four years?
If Dr. Spencer did this due diligence, what's he think these pictures are showing him? Does he think these are benign substances that are somehow healthy? Does he think this phenomena should be investigated by "public health" agencies? If he thinks such a real investigation is not necessary, why does he think this?
Wouldn't anyone who supports real science be interested in such an inquiry?
Would this website consider doing its own investigation and publishing its own story on these shocking and horrifying-looking substances? If you won't do this, why won't you?
If these calamari-like, rubbery substances were caused by the vaccines, would this concern the author or publishers of this website? If such a finding wouldn’t disturb employees of this medicine and science website, why is this the case?
Also, Stat News should add a Reader Comment section so readers can have a real "democratic" debate on these issues. As the author makes clear, a main point made by conference attendees is that the viewpoints and "evidence" of our (not small) cohort of the population has been censored, shadow-banned and/or denigrated.
Our side isn't afraid of open debate. Those who don't want to engage on these issues are all on your side.
Regarding the response to Covid, we were right; the lockdown-promoting, "safe-and-effective" experts were not only wrong, but spectacularly wrong. And, yes, these “public health” authorities caused great harm to the public.
Jenna!! These two quotes alone are worth the price of a subscription 🤣🤣🤣🤣
"as if he were visiting a remote tribe that still barters with ivermectin"
"invite him over for tea and budesonide"
This was a masterful dissection. I'd LOVE for him to read THIS and then have him analyze your commentary in a subsequent meaningless article about how brainwashed you are :)
I hope some of Jenna's readers also knock out a "letter to the editor" at the StatNews website where this article appeared. Let's see if they run a couple of these letters. I used my letter (published elsewhere in this thread) to emphasize the fact Dr. Spencer and this website apparently have no curiosity about the "embalmers' clots" - which is not "real science."
My favorite line: “He wore his arrogance like a cologne.” We’ve all met people like this. The arrogance radiates off of them and fills the room, exactly like too much bad cologne in an airless room. Best to back away, carefully, and get out!! Your one-liners, Jenny, and Jeff Childers’, are so clever, and memorable, helpful descriptors. Thankyou for this!
Yes, Jenna, that was me at the CHD Conference showing two vials of the WHITE FIBROUS CLOTS to everyone in line as they were picking up their badges for the conference. And I was happy to explain what the clots were made of for anyone who asked.
What's interesting is that this pro-vax doctor who went undercover at the CHD Conference and thinks that us "anti-vaxxers" are a bunch of kooks, forgets one important thing. How come only about 10% of American adults are now taking the still highly recommended "safe & effective" Covid jabs, when a whopping 80% of American adults took at least the first two Covid jabs?
It seems as though this pro-vax doctor is in the extreme minority now, as most Americans have switched their opinions about the jabs based on listening to us kooky "anti-vaxxers" instead.
Jenna - something weird is going on with Tom and Substack. We were talking on the phone when he was trying to post this comment. Substack said he had to enter a code in order to post. The email containing the code was sent to my email.
Why does this comment from Tom show that I posted it?
I get these “enter this code” reply all the time when I try to make a post. This used to not happen. I also get 10 to 30 “email disabled” messages with every new story I post. I get 5 such messages 60 seconds after I post a story. This is a new development on Substack. I am starting to think someone doesn’t like me. Or hundreds of subscribers who used to like my articles suddenly now don’t.
I just listened to U2’s “In the Name of Love.” … “one man he resists.” Dr MLK is celebrated for resisting harmful power… Tom is doing the same thing, but Craig doesn’t see this. The difference between the Civil Rights movement and our movement is nobody who matters will march with us “kooks.” They want to silence our voices and make fun of us … for the crime of trying to save lives and defending freedoms.
It doesn't help his minority status that they defined and redefined and re-redefined "antivaxxer" to the point that any deviation from the orthodoxy, however slight, earns you the title.
Thanks Jenna for taking one for the team. I do not think I can stomach reading what that pretentious, sanctimonious (insert word of your choice here) has to say.
I find it hard to believe that after two days he wasn’t able to interact with the other attendees to ask his “questions” and have a meaningful personal debate with them. Careful, don’t feed the animals - just observe. Science isn’t just observation, it’s asking questions, but that’s a cardinal sin in his world - unless it’s behind a microphone to a large audience where pomp and virtue can be harnessed.
the difference between HIS ilk and us is that if he asked us a question, he would get a real answer. if WE asked any of THEM valid questions, we would get gas lit, or worse.
Covering these events can backfire, which editors understand, which is why they sent no reporters to cover Sen. Johnson’s panels of whistleblowers and victims of the Covid response. Mark Oshinskie said he was asked a few questions at a similar “Covid Contrarian” rally in D.C. The NY Time’s “journalist” didn’t like Mark’s cerebral, data-packed answers …so there was no Mark Oshinskie quotes in her article. Captured, Pack Journalism 101 in our New Normal.
Craig was someone who definitely had a god complex and saw himself venturing into a cave of the unwashed. And gives new meaning to "no one is so blind as those who will not see". He was looking for data and it was all around him. It is scary that this man is a doctor.
lol! Such a great analogy of all of us anti-vaxxers being a remote tribe. That is literally how they view all of us. Uneducated, dirty, and free of science's greatest miracle: vaccines.
Tom Haviland is a real hero and this supposedly curious Craig of a creature clearly did not seize this amazing opportunity to learn more about these never seen before clots that are maiming all of humanity. Curious my ass!
I thought for sure that you were going to be there Jenna since it was right in your backyard! You could have had an opportunity to make this sheep think!
I had to committed to an event in San Antonio before I even knew about this one, otherwise I would have been there with bells on! Although I do not think my presence would have done any good as far as Mr. Spencer is concerned… 😂
Perish thought of bells on! You are no sheep. No bells for you. And who can say, maybe laugh make his Central Synapse function again. Never underestimate The Power of Miss Jenna!
I’m soooooo glad he’s not my doctor. Period. But then I’m basically doctoring myself these days. What a twit. Love your pushback. The hippo meme made me chuckle—so needed that this am.
Maybe.... you should go in disguise as pro-vaxxer Jennifer McArthur to befriend all of the curious Craigs at future conferences on a secret mission to bring them over to the good side. Hidden cameras and mics and boom, you got a new documentary!
And before anyone now or future says “we shouldn’t be doxxing him, that’s what the left does”, understand what doxxing is.
Doxxing is when you maliciously publicize the PRIVATE information (phone#) or location (home address) or family info like where their kids go to school. Many politicians, judges, cops, and people with security clearances intentionally keep most of their contact info hidden to provide a layer of protection. Having an inside track to that information and exposing it publicly - THAT is doxxing.
Pointing to a pile of poo on the sidewalk and yelling “Ewww, poo!” is not doxxing. It’s ok to warn people about poo. It’s even ok to take a picture of the poo and email it to your friends and neighbors. They may regret opening that email, but you did nothing wrong.
Real journalists would have covered Sen Johnson’s panels of dozens of whistleblowers and victims of the Covid response. Those panels included several doctors, scientists and experts with all the requisite credentials and work experience. Johnson’s staff invited every news organization that covers national news and politics.
Hi Jenna, thanks for sharing my piece with your readers!
And honestly this was hilarious. You might be surprised to know we feel very similarly about many things.
I also wanted to point you and your readers to a conversation I had with Pierre Kory and Bret Weinstein while at CHD. It’s on the Why Should I Trust You? podcast. Bret called it “great” and “productive”. Pierre said “We need more conversations like this.” If you have trouble finding it, it’s pinned to Pierre’s Twitter profile.
*sprains finger pinning comment*
Well played, sir. Genuinely.
Appreciate you being such a good sport. I listened to the podcast yesterday (Pierre sent it to me right after reading my piece), and I agree, we absolutely need more conversations like that.
As for us “feeling similarly about many things”… after reading some of your work and hearing that interview, I’m certainly curious what you think those might be! 😄 I'm skeptical but game to find out. If you’re ever up for a chat, I’m in.
Jenna, send me an email and let’s find time to chat.
I just emailed. :)
I’m so very curious,Jenna,what Craig means by “this was hilarious “. It doesn’t quite come off ( to me) as a sincere compliment on your marvelous writing style. Is that what it was? The written word can be so difficult to accurately comprehend when the motives of the writer is suspect..
Either way,more intelligent,non- biased discussion on this subject is definitely needed. I truly hope Craig takes the time to look at the research that Tom and Laura,and,so many other amazing people have done…!
Thank you.
His "hilarious" complement did sound sincere to me. And it's awesome that they are communicating. Will await a report!
I wish someone could send the article Jenna wrote about Riley Gaines to Riley. I think she would love it.
Ok. Good!
I agree about the potential communication. Hopefully,we will see some positive exchange…
Possibly the similarities are nothing more than “we feel and think the same things about all of you” - so projection trap. 🤷🏼♀️
Craig - if you have any desire to delve more into the clots my colleague, Tom Haviland showed you while you were waiting in line, my Substack will provide you with the information. And if need be, our team is always willing to answer any questions - in particular our organic chemist and our neuroscientist.
https://laurakasner.substack.com/
Also, Dr. Philip McMillan from the UK writes often about the subject:
https://philipmcmillan.substack.com/p/embalmers-update-the-clots-that-wont
Craig, on 8 June 2025 I was a Guest Speaker at the Tennessee Funeral Directors Association Annual Convention in Franklin, TN. Their 2024-2025 President, Mr. Taylor Moore, invited me there because the TN funeral directors and embalmers are still VERY CONCERNED about these WHITE FIBROUS CLOTS that they NEVER saw before until 2021 AFTER the Covid jabs rolled out. I conducted an in-person paper survey that same day in which the TN embalmers responded that they were finding the WHITE FIBROUS CLOTS in the veins and arteries of a SHOCKING 17% of their corpses during the first half of 2025!
Watch this and see that about two-thirds of these Tennessee embalmers leave their hands up when asked if they have seen this new type of horrific WHITE FIBROUS CLOT over the past few years. Keep in mind that I had no idea how many would leave their hands up when I asked this question. If zero had left their hands up, then we all could have considered this a hoax and just walked away. But watch the video and see just how many TN embalmers leave their hands up, indicating that they are indeed seeing these WHITE FIBROUS CLOTS. I think that you'll be shocked, Craig!
In fact, Craig, I invite you to write an article to warn your readers about these new WHITE FIBROUS CLOTS that have been causing strokes and heart attacks for the last 5 years, ever since the Covid jabs came out. Please feel free to use any of the information on my partner, Ms. Laura Kasner's free "Clotastrophe" Substack at LauraKasner.Substack.com
Video: https://rumble.com/v6ukwjt-th-at-tnfd-06082025.html?start=210&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email
-Tom Haviland (thomashaviland@sbcglobal.net)
[Craig Spencer has left the building...]
Craig, we definitely need more conversation. Every viewpoint should be discussed calmly and rationally.
I'm glad you can appreciate Jenna's humor. She's a very skilled author that does a great job of bringing important (and not so important) attention to a variety of topics.
Just in case you missed it here in Jenna's piece —
Note to Spencer: Your side already tried floating the pandemic amnesty idea. Remember? That whole golly-we-were-all-hoodwinked-weren’t-we-so-let’s-just-forgive-each-other-and-have-a-nice-group-hug appeal that showed up unexpected and dripping in liberal denial? It was not well-received. (Also, no way! The author of that piece is your colleague at Brown? The serendipity of it all!) You don’t “reach across the aisle” when the people on the other side are still holding loaded syringes and have yet to apologize for maiming your boss or murdering your best friend. That’s not bipartisanship; that’s Stockholm Syndrome with better PR.
I am over the moon with hope that MAHA and the medical establishment might be able to start up a conversation in which our side is not treated like lepers or traitors or fascists or, well , you know how it was during covid. I look forward to the medical community taking us seriously. Thank you for your kind words.
I love it too. Mary Ann, do check out my podcast. We have hosted over a dozen conversations between MAHA supporters and the public health and medical establishment (we hosted Craig and Pierre and Bret a few days ago). Yes, there are profound areas of disagreement. But it’s where y’all agree that is incredibly inspiring.
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/why-should-i-trust-you/id1788335471
I listened to two of your podcasts— you are doing good work.
Will do! Thanks for the suggestion.
Oh you sweet summer child.
😆
It seems to me as if the good doctor came to see if he could figure out how to change the medical freedom movement back into the public health establishment sheep flock. He came, he saw and left with no evidence that he was actually open to anything. Just a reconnaissance mission!!!
You lost me at "public (health)".
Public health has been an unmitigated disaster for the last few decades, probably because it's been completely coopted by $pecial interests, namely pharma.
As much as I typicaly would give you (and anyone) the benefit of doubt that you came to engage sincerely with good intentions, you admit (in your essay) that you were there "to understand what you were up against". So yes it would be fun to spar with you and your foolishness, but I'm not interested in being your training partner.
I will say this; the fact that a "public health" (sarcasm quotes) advocates feel the need to engage with this community and it's no longer enough to silence or othwerwise ignore us, shows progress. A tiny bit of progress. But we'll take it.
P.S. are you up to date on your covid boosters?
The field of Public Health appears to have descended into Group Think, encouraged by the federal public health agencies. Its concerns should be its traditional concerns: water, sewage, and the like and not the right of individuals to exercise informed consent.
One of my favorite thoughts, which should be applied to what has happened to public health, is this from C.S.Lewis: "OF ALL TYRANNIES, A TYRANNY EXERCISED FOR THE GOOD OF ITS VICTIMS MAY BE THE MOST OPPRESSIVE. IT MAY BE BETTER TO LIVE UNDER ROBBER BARONS THAN UNDER OMNIPOTENT MORAL BUSYBODIES. THE ROBBER BARONS CRUELTY MAY SOMETIMES SLEEP, HIS CUPIDITY MAY
AT SOME POINT BE SATIATED; BUT THOSE WHO TORMENT US FOR OUR OWN GOOD WILL TORMENT US WITHOUT END, FOR THEY DO SO WITH THE
APPROVAL OF THEIR OWN CONSCIENCE." That is what covid did to us. And it will be a very long time before I forget or forgive.
Can you post a link here to the podcast?
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/live-from-childrens-health-defense-part-1-of-3/id1788335471?i=1000735997005
Tom Haviland makes me so proud 💪💪💪💪💪💪💪
Craig’s article made me realize something. They have no idea the power we have and the minds we’ve changed. And NO ONE is going over to “their” side. Our ranks are growing. And I want to assure everyone here, we are WINNING.
The WHITE CLOTS have now entered STAT NEWS!!! Greatful Craig Spencer went to the CHD conference and wrote about Tom Haviland approaching him and showing a vial of the white fibrous clots - as they say, "no publicity is bad publicity".
It makes me ponder if any of his colleagues who read his "essay" and have seen the clots in their practices will wake up some more.
I noticed he included no links to Laura’s Substack - which includes scores of taboo clot PHOTOS and results of all of Tom’s embalmer surveys.
Bill - bummer, right?
But he now has Jenna’s post here because I emailed him a link. 😄
Send him some clot photos as well. Ask him, “your comment?”
BOOM! Go for it, Laura!
SeeingTruth - thinking about this a bit more.
He didn’t have to mention in his post about Tom showing him the clots. And it was his very first sentence! He really said nothing truly derogatory other than “alleged”.
Hmmmmmm
I have very little doubt that people like that are paid handsomely to attend such gatherings of any type of organized activity that *might* negatively impact the bottom lines of pharmaceutical corporations.
*Very* little doubt. These fools need to open their bank accounts and prove to us all that they don't take piles of Pharma cash. Try asking. I have many times online. They always disappear at that point. Peter Hotez is a wonderful example. Bought & paid for, no doubt whatsoever.
Interesting, Keith. I was at a Brownstone Institute Health Freedom conference this past September at Polyface farm, and reporters from Politico kept trying to sneak onto the farm even though they were told they were not welcome. I never did find out if they wrote an article about the conference.
I find it fascinating that he described Tom as "gregarious" and wrote things about Tom's history and yet neglected to add a descriptor to "clots". Fantastic that you emailed him - and can't wait to hear what happens next!
him: opens email - hits delete
I WANT to be more open-minded than that. But.
One has to ponder why this Craig/Pub Hlth dude would be compelled to 'get out of (Dodge) town and head off to Austin.
Was it due to the possibility that his wife was complaining that the kids just aren't the same any longer after they received their annual shots to attend 'public' school?
Was it due to the possibility that a Pub Hlth cohort who lives/works in the Austin area was just diagnosed with turbo cancer, and he needed a way to visit and write off the expenses as a (business??) justifiable event by writing an article about it?
Might it be that while at work back at Brown his phone keeps blowing up with angry citizenry demanding answers why 57% of kids now suffer from chronic illnesses and they want to know what he's doing about it?
Everyone with white fibrous clots should simply mail them to the writer, and his "editors." It's reached a point where someone needs to slap death clots onto their foreheads.
And you just made me think of that Batman slapping Robin meme except Batman is slapping Robin with one of those big ol' night crawler white clots and the idea of slapping a few people I know with those white clots right in the face gives me a bit of a happy. Obviously I won't resort to such violence irl, but imagining it gives me at least a touch of catharsis on that. Fuck you, deny this.
"There is not and has never been any evidence..."
WHAP! HOW'S THIS FOR EVIDENCE?!
Great points, SeeingTruth!!!
Make that Spencer jerk see the truth! 😉
Laura Kasner you & Tom Haviland are my heroes ♥️🤍💙. Jenna, I could not love this more.
Love you sissy. 😘❤️🤍💙
Yes. And you two, and many others, are doing excellent work to make it happen. (I am doing my bit, too, behind the scenes.)
Unfortunately I know personally a number of people like this person, they have loads of credentials, they are die-hard believers in vaccines, admirers of Dr Fauci (yes, really). They apparently cannot fathom what has happened and what is happening, why their own health, their own family members' health, and their professional status (especially their professional authority / market value) seems to be wobbling or even plummeting, so they grasp at the easy, ego-soothing stories, mainly the ones they get spoon-fed from the legacy media— or, in this instance, that they themselves spoonfed to the media. So they paint it that anyone who questions the "narrative" about "vaccines" is some kind of primitive kook— not worth attending to, other than primly worrying about. For all their professional "authority" they really do not have a freaking clue what they are defending, and it is both frustrating and very sad for me to watch this continuing in my own world for so many years. I appreciate your efforts, Laura Kasner, so much.
Love your comment "And NO ONE is going over to "their" side. Our ranks are growing." This is so true and so encouraging! I have NEVER heard of someone who has refused the jab and revolted against covid mandates for these last 5 years, all of a sudden do an about-face and say, oh wait, they were right and I was wrong. Nope, not anyone. Thanks Jenna and Laura - loved reading this today.
same as 'regretting NOT getting the jab' is just not a thing!!
honestly, have you heard a single person ever, say they regret NOT getting it??
If I didn’t KNOW that me getting the shots was part of God’s plan, the regret would consume me.
💥💥💥100% Laura Kasner
Go girl. Your work has been invaluable.
Some dipshit showing up to the CHD Austin conference is not even an afterthought.
I don’t even really know, know you Laura. But, I do. I am learning how to vet and trust. May God bless you and Tom. ❤️🙏
Perhaps one day we will meet. ❤️God bless you Kat.
I posted a "letter to the editor" at the website that published Dr. Spencer's report. We'll see if they run it. Here it is:
Dear Editor:
Did the author look closely at the "embalmers' clots" that Tom Haviland showed him? Did he follow-up and look at numerous photos that have been published of these long, thick, never-before-seen white fibrous "clots" that up to 70 percent of surveyed embalmers have been finding on a routine basis in corpses for more than four years?
If Dr. Spencer did this due diligence, what's he think these pictures are showing him? Does he think these are benign substances that are somehow healthy? Does he think this phenomena should be investigated by "public health" agencies? If he thinks such a real investigation is not necessary, why does he think this?
Wouldn't anyone who supports real science be interested in such an inquiry?
Would this website consider doing its own investigation and publishing its own story on these shocking and horrifying-looking substances? If you won't do this, why won't you?
If these calamari-like, rubbery substances were caused by the vaccines, would this concern the author or publishers of this website? If such a finding wouldn’t disturb employees of this medicine and science website, why is this the case?
Also, Stat News should add a Reader Comment section so readers can have a real "democratic" debate on these issues. As the author makes clear, a main point made by conference attendees is that the viewpoints and "evidence" of our (not small) cohort of the population has been censored, shadow-banned and/or denigrated.
Our side isn't afraid of open debate. Those who don't want to engage on these issues are all on your side.
Regarding the response to Covid, we were right; the lockdown-promoting, "safe-and-effective" experts were not only wrong, but spectacularly wrong. And, yes, these “public health” authorities caused great harm to the public.
Bravo, Bill!
👆🏼👆🏼👆🏼 THIS!! 👆🏼👆🏼👆🏼
Jenna!! These two quotes alone are worth the price of a subscription 🤣🤣🤣🤣
"as if he were visiting a remote tribe that still barters with ivermectin"
"invite him over for tea and budesonide"
This was a masterful dissection. I'd LOVE for him to read THIS and then have him analyze your commentary in a subsequent meaningless article about how brainwashed you are :)
Perhaps everyone here on X should tag him with a link to Jenna’s post.
I love the one my friend, Ann Forti tagged him on:
https://x.com/annmforti/status/1988657244896952380
Excellent idea, Laura.
Mary Ann - I just found this link:
https://www.statnews.com/contact/?how_can_we_help_=Editorial%20Correction%20Request
Maybe we could link Jenna’s post via this link.
Let’s do it.
Here’s his email address:
craig_spencer@brown.edu
Done. With pleasure.
Even better.
✅
Awesome.
I hope some of Jenna's readers also knock out a "letter to the editor" at the StatNews website where this article appeared. Let's see if they run a couple of these letters. I used my letter (published elsewhere in this thread) to emphasize the fact Dr. Spencer and this website apparently have no curiosity about the "embalmers' clots" - which is not "real science."
Just reposted 💪✨🙏
I wonder if dolts like this arrogant pr#ck ever Google their name on a daily basis. I’m sure they do to feel good. Please God, May he see this. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Janet - if he reads my email he will see it. 😄
You are my new hero! Thank you for doing that.
👍🏻. It was a super reply, BTW.
But then he'll need commas when required.
My favorite line: “He wore his arrogance like a cologne.” We’ve all met people like this. The arrogance radiates off of them and fills the room, exactly like too much bad cologne in an airless room. Best to back away, carefully, and get out!! Your one-liners, Jenny, and Jeff Childers’, are so clever, and memorable, helpful descriptors. Thankyou for this!
Obvious arrogance is always a sign of some sort of psychopathic tendencies in my book. Just something I've learned in my 71 yrs of living.
😉😘
budesonide for colitis -- as an inhaler??? how does THAT work?
Yes, Jenna, that was me at the CHD Conference showing two vials of the WHITE FIBROUS CLOTS to everyone in line as they were picking up their badges for the conference. And I was happy to explain what the clots were made of for anyone who asked.
What's interesting is that this pro-vax doctor who went undercover at the CHD Conference and thinks that us "anti-vaxxers" are a bunch of kooks, forgets one important thing. How come only about 10% of American adults are now taking the still highly recommended "safe & effective" Covid jabs, when a whopping 80% of American adults took at least the first two Covid jabs?
It seems as though this pro-vax doctor is in the extreme minority now, as most Americans have switched their opinions about the jabs based on listening to us kooky "anti-vaxxers" instead.
-Tom Haviland
Excellent point and thank you for weighing in!
Jenna - something weird is going on with Tom and Substack. We were talking on the phone when he was trying to post this comment. Substack said he had to enter a code in order to post. The email containing the code was sent to my email.
Why does this comment from Tom show that I posted it?
That’s crazy!! 😳
Do you see the same thing that I see? That I posted that comment that Tom wrote?
I was wondering why you posted it for him...
I think Substack is screwing with Tom again.
Yes I see it.
I get these “enter this code” reply all the time when I try to make a post. This used to not happen. I also get 10 to 30 “email disabled” messages with every new story I post. I get 5 such messages 60 seconds after I post a story. This is a new development on Substack. I am starting to think someone doesn’t like me. Or hundreds of subscribers who used to like my articles suddenly now don’t.
Same for me, Bill.
I just listened to U2’s “In the Name of Love.” … “one man he resists.” Dr MLK is celebrated for resisting harmful power… Tom is doing the same thing, but Craig doesn’t see this. The difference between the Civil Rights movement and our movement is nobody who matters will march with us “kooks.” They want to silence our voices and make fun of us … for the crime of trying to save lives and defending freedoms.
Thank you for your service!
Thanks, Tonee! -Tom H.
Tonee - I will forward your comment here to Tom.
You are a dedicated spirit of truth, Tim.
Semper Fi. Oorah!
It doesn't help his minority status that they defined and redefined and re-redefined "antivaxxer" to the point that any deviation from the orthodoxy, however slight, earns you the title.
Nailed it again, Jenna. This time there were too many good one-liners to pick just one ~ or to list them all.
Thanks for your well-articulated, and burning, retort. If he's paying attention, Spencer may now notice his ears (or his eyelashes) are singed.
It's also baffling to see someone like this surrounded with truth-telling for 2 full days, and not recognize it for what it is.
Isn't this, actually, what they call willful blindness?
I really do encourage folks to read his entire tone deaf essay. He just can’t stop marveling at how passionate and organized we are lol😂
Thanks, Jenna. I'll definitely take a look.
Thanks Jenna for taking one for the team. I do not think I can stomach reading what that pretentious, sanctimonious (insert word of your choice here) has to say.
I find it hard to believe that after two days he wasn’t able to interact with the other attendees to ask his “questions” and have a meaningful personal debate with them. Careful, don’t feed the animals - just observe. Science isn’t just observation, it’s asking questions, but that’s a cardinal sin in his world - unless it’s behind a microphone to a large audience where pomp and virtue can be harnessed.
Well said, Juju!
He wanted a larger audience than one-on-one. And a spotlight needed to be on him while doing so.
Right? just seek out speakers and ask questions. Just because there's no mic doesn't mean your mouth is duct-taped shut!!
the difference between HIS ilk and us is that if he asked us a question, he would get a real answer. if WE asked any of THEM valid questions, we would get gas lit, or worse.
Metta - or he was paid quite well to write this tripe.
Nodding ~ Good insight, Laura. That may well be the case.
Covering these events can backfire, which editors understand, which is why they sent no reporters to cover Sen. Johnson’s panels of whistleblowers and victims of the Covid response. Mark Oshinskie said he was asked a few questions at a similar “Covid Contrarian” rally in D.C. The NY Time’s “journalist” didn’t like Mark’s cerebral, data-packed answers …so there was no Mark Oshinskie quotes in her article. Captured, Pack Journalism 101 in our New Normal.
Paid Laura . Can u imagine if Hotez showed up
Bro - Hotez is too much of a coward.
Absolutely! No doubt.
Craig was someone who definitely had a god complex and saw himself venturing into a cave of the unwashed. And gives new meaning to "no one is so blind as those who will not see". He was looking for data and it was all around him. It is scary that this man is a doctor.
He has a definite case of his ideology occluding reality.
lol! Such a great analogy of all of us anti-vaxxers being a remote tribe. That is literally how they view all of us. Uneducated, dirty, and free of science's greatest miracle: vaccines.
Tom Haviland is a real hero and this supposedly curious Craig of a creature clearly did not seize this amazing opportunity to learn more about these never seen before clots that are maiming all of humanity. Curious my ass!
I thought for sure that you were going to be there Jenna since it was right in your backyard! You could have had an opportunity to make this sheep think!
I had to committed to an event in San Antonio before I even knew about this one, otherwise I would have been there with bells on! Although I do not think my presence would have done any good as far as Mr. Spencer is concerned… 😂
Perish thought of bells on! You are no sheep. No bells for you. And who can say, maybe laugh make his Central Synapse function again. Never underestimate The Power of Miss Jenna!
Love the meme you made. Thank you Miss Jenna. 🙏💖
Hold on, the phrase "I'll be there with bells on" is a reference to sheep mentality?? I always thought it was an expression of joy and enthusiasm.
Spencer is a card carrying member of the “Fauci Science Club”. The Fauci Science Club makes the “Mengele Science Club” look like cub scouts.
That he's clueless is clear, but his crime and sad folly is abomination, —the inhumanity of lacking a heart.
🎯 Touché!
Here's another good dino meme, for those who care about such things;
> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/0a8936fb565b
Excellent point!
I’m soooooo glad he’s not my doctor. Period. But then I’m basically doctoring myself these days. What a twit. Love your pushback. The hippo meme made me chuckle—so needed that this am.
Don't know if Hippocrates actually said this (no pun intended), but I love the quotation nonetheless:
★ "If you are not your own doctor, you are a fool." ~ Hippocrates
That’s true, unless you’re a psychologist. In that case, if you are your own doctor, you are navel gazing.
Maybe.... you should go in disguise as pro-vaxxer Jennifer McArthur to befriend all of the curious Craigs at future conferences on a secret mission to bring them over to the good side. Hidden cameras and mics and boom, you got a new documentary!
What if, like, THOUSANDS of us infiltrated a conference like that… Can you imagine?😂💪
Candid Camera!😀
Count me in!! 🤣🤣🥸
What a complete tool. He needed a takedown, but you offered a knockout. Bravo.
Tea and budesonide 🤣
Brown health care - three words with which to contemplate the meaning of oxymoron and oxymoronic.
The root of oxycotyn?
This sounds like an excellent study in activism masquerading as journalism.
In other words, just like everything else we’ve gotten from MSM in the past several decades.
He’s made his LinkedIn profile private, but his edu email address is proudly linked at the bottom of his article.
craig_spencer@brown.edu
And before anyone now or future says “we shouldn’t be doxxing him, that’s what the left does”, understand what doxxing is.
Doxxing is when you maliciously publicize the PRIVATE information (phone#) or location (home address) or family info like where their kids go to school. Many politicians, judges, cops, and people with security clearances intentionally keep most of their contact info hidden to provide a layer of protection. Having an inside track to that information and exposing it publicly - THAT is doxxing.
Pointing to a pile of poo on the sidewalk and yelling “Ewww, poo!” is not doxxing. It’s ok to warn people about poo. It’s even ok to take a picture of the poo and email it to your friends and neighbors. They may regret opening that email, but you did nothing wrong.
Excellent comment, Kid!
Ooh! Let’s all email him Jenna’s post!
Or we could use this avenue as well:
https://www.statnews.com/contact/?how_can_we_help_=Editorial%20Correction%20Request
Real journalists would have covered Sen Johnson’s panels of dozens of whistleblowers and victims of the Covid response. Those panels included several doctors, scientists and experts with all the requisite credentials and work experience. Johnson’s staff invited every news organization that covers national news and politics.
https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/the-importance-of-balanced-intelligence
this article was written with Craig Spencer in mind. Says it all...