I want it like it was in the 60's when I was a child. No insurance. More "reasonable" pricing with local Drs. and affordable for people to have healthcare in the hospital. The average person could afford to have healthcare. Our Dr had an account for my parents, who had six children and my mother would pay a weekly payment until caught up. My father worked in a paper mill and my mother took care of the home and kids. We did not run to the Dr every two minutes. None of this unnecessary specialties like pediatricians. We were healthy and happy. Then HMO's came along and everything went to shit and hell. I won't go to the Dr., take any poison jabs or medications. I have 0 trust of the medical system.
A government that struggles to run a postal service should not be allowed to even think about Healthcare. Obamacare is the single largest legislative disaster in history.
DSA: “We haven't tried real socialized healthcare.”
yes the system you describe is / was decentralized. That's what I would like too. Maybe the military should be centralized, but everything else, especially gov't meddling - decentralize and disperse!
Back in the 1960s, when most of us were not born or aware, healthcare was cheap. My mom told me she paid $5.00 for my dr. appointment in the 1970s.
In the 1990s, when my children were born (92 and 97) I saw a dramatic change in healthcare costs for the annual checkup as it continued to increase in cost. By 1997, there was a charge for everything – eye test, ear test, etc. It still was a copay of $20.00, but the bill had increased dramatically.
And with more government “assistance” it’s only gotten more expensive.
Same thing with college cost (student loans guaranteed colleges got their funds and thus increased the costs, expanding their administrative state. Same thing with housing, drugs. Everything the government touches makes the cost go up, higher and higher.
Gee, one might think that “it’s the government, stupid” that raises the cost of everything.
It seems like the 1960s ushered in the welfare mentality and then the 1990s ushered in government is the solution for everything, but it only made it worse for those of us who want to be self-reliant.
Mkay!! Thanks for the convenient entree into the fecked up, socialized Canadian medical trap!
Unfortunately, I grew up in the poor white north, and y’all have no idea just how horrific it is.
Let me start with basic grade six economics. No real math involved. It’s a simple demand v. supply situation! Jenna did a fine job explaining, but I have real world experience.
If demand exceeds supply by extreme numbers this results in excess demand and very little supply
Example: I was a full grown mature adult ( approximately 26-27 yo) and contracted full blown bronchitis- yaking and barking like a seal. No primary doctor because there weren’t enough to meet demand. I had to go to a run down medical clinic and sit in the shitty dirty waiting room (in downtown Toronto business district!) for 8-9 hours before seeing some poor hack (doctor??) who prescribed me some cocktail of poisons!
I wasn’t some poor person collecting the dole! I was at the top of the professional pool, working for one of the largest Chartered Accountancy firms in the damn world! I had money to pay a decent doctor, but the system mandated, “healthcare for all!”
Are you getting the drift of how this shite works?!!!
I have plenty more where that came from, but you get the drift!
Needed a “You’ve got to be kidding!” option. Can you imagine being treated by conscripted doctors, nurses, etc., hired by The State to provide care? That picture makes prison med look like a luxury spa.
Spot on Jenna! I'd personally prefer to pay less taxes and see private doctors that aren't blackmailed by insurance.
As a man with six pack abs, it's hard not to scoff at people who paid for the ab implants, but at least they paid out of pocket for the abs unlike how “gender affirming” surgeries are paid for by insurance. 🤣🤪
Other. How about we blow the entire system up? We start by stopping the clot shots, investigating how hospitals, insurance, medicare, medicaid, clinics, convenience and grocery stores, and how the government incentivized these companies to poision and kill us while hiding the evidence.
Medical care in the US is the third leading cause of deaths in the US after heart issues and cancer. Since the death shots, I would argue that the medical system is the number one cause of deaths in the US and in the world because of these shots.
I have found the best option for today’s “healthcare “: clean up your diet to eliminate ultra processed foods, eat real food, get yourself healthier and begin to learn about holistic solutions that your great-grandparents knew. Follow Substack writers who can educate you…Unbekoming, Dr. Robert Yoho, A Midwestern Doctor, etc. Work to wean yourself free of the pharma cabal. Obviously there will be exceptions but for the most part we can all improve.
What irks me is that the always try to sell it as Medicare for all. What they don't tell you is that Medicare is not free, never was. I pay thousands for my Medicare. Everyone, with the exception of some very low income people, pays for their Medicare coverage and depending on plans some pay copays and out of pocket. Also, Medicare denies some services and testing. It definitely is not free!
I voted “I like Trump’s idea”, but only because “Let’s collapse the whole system and start over” wasn’t available.
I want a medical insurance industry that works exactly like the car insurance industry did before crap companies like CarShield hit the scene (thanks, Ice-T, you sellout).
You pay 100% for maintenance issues, your insurance only kicks in for “accidents”, which in health would mean literal accidents not covered by auto accidents’ insurance because you were in a car vs rock climbing.
For other big stuff like scheduled bypass surgery or brain aneurysms, you could buy optional “surgery” riders, but this method would make the cost of everything come way, way down, and each doctor would know how much things cost because they would bill you directly, not just send a code to a 3rd party.
When I was in college (1980’s) I was able to get a Catastrophic policy for $100 a year. These days, someone my age (63) is not eligible for one of those plans, even though I’m in perfect health and have no prescriptions.
I hate going to the doctor anyway, and my doc has joked about seeing him once every five years or so.
It might have been about a year ago last time I checked, and they were available then. Cut off age was decades younger than I am, which I find prejudiced. We have neighbors half our age that have medical issues, whereas my husband and I don’t.
If an annual physical was required to get one of those plans rather than an age requirement, we’d be good to go.
God has had it with the Devil's flagrant disregard for the contract to maintain the fence between Heaven and hell, constantly failing to make even the slightest effort to keep up his end. Finally, God mentions that He might have to sue, at which the Devil laughs, "And just WHERE do You think You're going to get a lawyer?!!"
This proposed Heaven in Healthcare ends on the same, unaddressed question: "And just WHERE does this devil think he's going to get 'great doctors?!'"
The ASSumptions are there alright, both that the number and the quality of "healthcare providers" (for we've long passed the "have-enough-doctors" warning stick) will remain constant. (We're also well passed the "highest-quality-doctors" sign, so maybe this devil is right: that the current sh*tshow of a s*stem featuring an enriched bloated middle-ocracy, "compensated" shills for pills, and stingy Overlords who say "Nyet" won't change much.
But looking at where this devil will point to say "Universal Health Care" has "Succeeded," may we ask about "the wait times," "the care for the elderly," "the end-of-life scenarios," and "the general attitude of 'the providers' towards 'the value of human life itself'?" (Spoiler: No.)
My other story also applies. The one about the guy in the airport who buys the state-of-the-art watch off the other guy who just got off the plane from Hong Kong. You remember. The guy gets off the plane, sets down his suitcases and presses a button on his watch and the hologram of a beautiful young Asian woman appears wearing a bikini? And proceeds to tell him the time, the temperature, the barometric pressure, the status of all the world's stock indices, and that he looks good in that tie? (I think I failed to mention the bikini before, and I don't think it's critical for the joke, but I want to be accurate.) So then seeing this the first guy, the one who just happened to be in the airport remember?, well, he goes up to the guy and says, he just has to have that fantastic watch, and he first asks the price, but then says he doesn't care because he'll pay anything. I also forgot to mention there was an ATM at the airport right behind the second guy and it didn't have any limits on withdrawal and the first guy had his ATM card with him, luckily for the story. So the second guy is persuaded and they make the deal. BUT, as the guy is walking away admiring the "steal" he got (I've forgotten whether it was the first guy or the second guy, but the one who just bought the watch), the other guy (now I remember, he's the second guy so the other guy was the first guy) picks up the suitcases with a grunt and yells, "WAIT! You'll need the BATTERIES!"
See? I knew you'd remember it. I've mentioned it before in another comment.
Anyways, all that FREE, FREE, FREE is great-sounding, but 'THE BATTERIES' TO POWER IT WILL KILL US ALL!
There's actually another story, this one true. A young priest came to our parish to replace our beloved old priest who had died, and addressing people's different expectations had this to offer:
Socialism can make everyone equal in the sense that they are equally miserable. Except for the "early adopters" of course who will quickly fill the limited number of seats for overseers in the Party ranks. They'll be fine. Until the purges.
Other. We can't afford it, and it would be worse than it is now. Don't wait around for government to fix healthcare, when they ruined it in the first place. I don't see Medicare for All ever passing, since the medical lobby, hospital lobby, pharma, and insurance lobby will vigorously oppose it. The only reason they all supported Obamacare was they knew they would make more money (the smart doctors, i.e. AAPS, opposed it). In the next few years, more doctors are going to leave the system, either retiring or starting practices like mine (direct care). People who prefer to get their "care" in the system will see NPs and PAs (I'm not saying they provide worse care, but the training is very different). Many patients are already opting for a naturopath or functional medicine doctor, since COVID revealed establishment medical doctors as pharma shills. Medicare for all is not going to pay for these alternatives. Sounds like Abdul's wife is much smarter than him.
I want it like it was in the 60's when I was a child. No insurance. More "reasonable" pricing with local Drs. and affordable for people to have healthcare in the hospital. The average person could afford to have healthcare. Our Dr had an account for my parents, who had six children and my mother would pay a weekly payment until caught up. My father worked in a paper mill and my mother took care of the home and kids. We did not run to the Dr every two minutes. None of this unnecessary specialties like pediatricians. We were healthy and happy. Then HMO's came along and everything went to shit and hell. I won't go to the Dr., take any poison jabs or medications. I have 0 trust of the medical system.
My bill when I was born in 1948 was $56.00. We had to be bleeding before going to doc. Or temps of 103.
A government that struggles to run a postal service should not be allowed to even think about Healthcare. Obamacare is the single largest legislative disaster in history.
DSA: “We haven't tried real socialized healthcare.”
This. That is all.
yes the system you describe is / was decentralized. That's what I would like too. Maybe the military should be centralized, but everything else, especially gov't meddling - decentralize and disperse!
Back in the 1960s, when most of us were not born or aware, healthcare was cheap. My mom told me she paid $5.00 for my dr. appointment in the 1970s.
In the 1990s, when my children were born (92 and 97) I saw a dramatic change in healthcare costs for the annual checkup as it continued to increase in cost. By 1997, there was a charge for everything – eye test, ear test, etc. It still was a copay of $20.00, but the bill had increased dramatically.
And with more government “assistance” it’s only gotten more expensive.
Same thing with college cost (student loans guaranteed colleges got their funds and thus increased the costs, expanding their administrative state. Same thing with housing, drugs. Everything the government touches makes the cost go up, higher and higher.
Gee, one might think that “it’s the government, stupid” that raises the cost of everything.
I think our thought processes were going at the same time. Same experiences. I have two children born in 86 and 88 and the same experience.
It seems like the 1960s ushered in the welfare mentality and then the 1990s ushered in government is the solution for everything, but it only made it worse for those of us who want to be self-reliant.
A government benefit worth a dollar has probably cost taxpayers two… if we're lucky.
First sentence in and already I’m loving it - “ Congressvermin!” Awesome, you should patent it!
I felt the same when I read that !😂😂😳
Yes. Keeping that. 👍🏻🩷
🔥
Just ask any Canadien and you will be saying “Not me, thanks but no thanks.”
same for many in the U.K.
Mkay!! Thanks for the convenient entree into the fecked up, socialized Canadian medical trap!
Unfortunately, I grew up in the poor white north, and y’all have no idea just how horrific it is.
Let me start with basic grade six economics. No real math involved. It’s a simple demand v. supply situation! Jenna did a fine job explaining, but I have real world experience.
If demand exceeds supply by extreme numbers this results in excess demand and very little supply
Example: I was a full grown mature adult ( approximately 26-27 yo) and contracted full blown bronchitis- yaking and barking like a seal. No primary doctor because there weren’t enough to meet demand. I had to go to a run down medical clinic and sit in the shitty dirty waiting room (in downtown Toronto business district!) for 8-9 hours before seeing some poor hack (doctor??) who prescribed me some cocktail of poisons!
I wasn’t some poor person collecting the dole! I was at the top of the professional pool, working for one of the largest Chartered Accountancy firms in the damn world! I had money to pay a decent doctor, but the system mandated, “healthcare for all!”
Are you getting the drift of how this shite works?!!!
I have plenty more where that came from, but you get the drift!
The dumbing down of America has allowed Marxists propaganda to resonate. Can’t fix stupid.
You can thank 30 years of Ejukasion
Even for "free" it's too expensive.
Needed a “You’ve got to be kidding!” option. Can you imagine being treated by conscripted doctors, nurses, etc., hired by The State to provide care? That picture makes prison med look like a luxury spa.
Remember el-sayed said he wants mandatory vaxes as well
Oh, I remember.🤬🚫💉☠️
Spot on Jenna! I'd personally prefer to pay less taxes and see private doctors that aren't blackmailed by insurance.
As a man with six pack abs, it's hard not to scoff at people who paid for the ab implants, but at least they paid out of pocket for the abs unlike how “gender affirming” surgeries are paid for by insurance. 🤣🤪
Other. How about we blow the entire system up? We start by stopping the clot shots, investigating how hospitals, insurance, medicare, medicaid, clinics, convenience and grocery stores, and how the government incentivized these companies to poision and kill us while hiding the evidence.
Medical care in the US is the third leading cause of deaths in the US after heart issues and cancer. Since the death shots, I would argue that the medical system is the number one cause of deaths in the US and in the world because of these shots.
I have found the best option for today’s “healthcare “: clean up your diet to eliminate ultra processed foods, eat real food, get yourself healthier and begin to learn about holistic solutions that your great-grandparents knew. Follow Substack writers who can educate you…Unbekoming, Dr. Robert Yoho, A Midwestern Doctor, etc. Work to wean yourself free of the pharma cabal. Obviously there will be exceptions but for the most part we can all improve.
What irks me is that the always try to sell it as Medicare for all. What they don't tell you is that Medicare is not free, never was. I pay thousands for my Medicare. Everyone, with the exception of some very low income people, pays for their Medicare coverage and depending on plans some pay copays and out of pocket. Also, Medicare denies some services and testing. It definitely is not free!
I pay for my Medicare as well. The only people who don’t pay are the freeloading illegals.
I voted “I like Trump’s idea”, but only because “Let’s collapse the whole system and start over” wasn’t available.
I want a medical insurance industry that works exactly like the car insurance industry did before crap companies like CarShield hit the scene (thanks, Ice-T, you sellout).
You pay 100% for maintenance issues, your insurance only kicks in for “accidents”, which in health would mean literal accidents not covered by auto accidents’ insurance because you were in a car vs rock climbing.
For other big stuff like scheduled bypass surgery or brain aneurysms, you could buy optional “surgery” riders, but this method would make the cost of everything come way, way down, and each doctor would know how much things cost because they would bill you directly, not just send a code to a 3rd party.
When I was in college (1980’s) I was able to get a Catastrophic policy for $100 a year. These days, someone my age (63) is not eligible for one of those plans, even though I’m in perfect health and have no prescriptions.
I hate going to the doctor anyway, and my doc has joked about seeing him once every five years or so.
Do they even offer those plans? I haven’t found any or I would still try to buy that vs the crap Cadillac options they force on us.
It might have been about a year ago last time I checked, and they were available then. Cut off age was decades younger than I am, which I find prejudiced. We have neighbors half our age that have medical issues, whereas my husband and I don’t.
If an annual physical was required to get one of those plans rather than an age requirement, we’d be good to go.
Donkeys are actually pretty smart. Demonrats need a new mascot
💩?
😈🤡☠️?
I'm reminded of a story.
God has had it with the Devil's flagrant disregard for the contract to maintain the fence between Heaven and hell, constantly failing to make even the slightest effort to keep up his end. Finally, God mentions that He might have to sue, at which the Devil laughs, "And just WHERE do You think You're going to get a lawyer?!!"
This proposed Heaven in Healthcare ends on the same, unaddressed question: "And just WHERE does this devil think he's going to get 'great doctors?!'"
The ASSumptions are there alright, both that the number and the quality of "healthcare providers" (for we've long passed the "have-enough-doctors" warning stick) will remain constant. (We're also well passed the "highest-quality-doctors" sign, so maybe this devil is right: that the current sh*tshow of a s*stem featuring an enriched bloated middle-ocracy, "compensated" shills for pills, and stingy Overlords who say "Nyet" won't change much.
But looking at where this devil will point to say "Universal Health Care" has "Succeeded," may we ask about "the wait times," "the care for the elderly," "the end-of-life scenarios," and "the general attitude of 'the providers' towards 'the value of human life itself'?" (Spoiler: No.)
My other story also applies. The one about the guy in the airport who buys the state-of-the-art watch off the other guy who just got off the plane from Hong Kong. You remember. The guy gets off the plane, sets down his suitcases and presses a button on his watch and the hologram of a beautiful young Asian woman appears wearing a bikini? And proceeds to tell him the time, the temperature, the barometric pressure, the status of all the world's stock indices, and that he looks good in that tie? (I think I failed to mention the bikini before, and I don't think it's critical for the joke, but I want to be accurate.) So then seeing this the first guy, the one who just happened to be in the airport remember?, well, he goes up to the guy and says, he just has to have that fantastic watch, and he first asks the price, but then says he doesn't care because he'll pay anything. I also forgot to mention there was an ATM at the airport right behind the second guy and it didn't have any limits on withdrawal and the first guy had his ATM card with him, luckily for the story. So the second guy is persuaded and they make the deal. BUT, as the guy is walking away admiring the "steal" he got (I've forgotten whether it was the first guy or the second guy, but the one who just bought the watch), the other guy (now I remember, he's the second guy so the other guy was the first guy) picks up the suitcases with a grunt and yells, "WAIT! You'll need the BATTERIES!"
See? I knew you'd remember it. I've mentioned it before in another comment.
Anyways, all that FREE, FREE, FREE is great-sounding, but 'THE BATTERIES' TO POWER IT WILL KILL US ALL!
There's actually another story, this one true. A young priest came to our parish to replace our beloved old priest who had died, and addressing people's different expectations had this to offer:
"𝗪𝗵𝗶𝗹𝗲 𝗜 𝗰𝗮𝗻'𝘁 𝗺𝗮𝗸𝗲 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝗲𝗾𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆 𝗵𝗮𝗽𝗽𝘆, 𝗜 𝗱𝗼 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗽𝗼𝘄𝗲𝗿 𝘁𝗼 𝗺𝗮𝗸𝗲 𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝗲𝗾𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆 𝗺𝗶𝘀𝗲𝗿𝗮𝗯𝗹𝗲."
That should be Socialism's slogan.
Socialism can make everyone equal in the sense that they are equally miserable. Except for the "early adopters" of course who will quickly fill the limited number of seats for overseers in the Party ranks. They'll be fine. Until the purges.
“Repairs are scheduled for the second Tuesday of Neveruary.”
Next level cleverness.
Other. We can't afford it, and it would be worse than it is now. Don't wait around for government to fix healthcare, when they ruined it in the first place. I don't see Medicare for All ever passing, since the medical lobby, hospital lobby, pharma, and insurance lobby will vigorously oppose it. The only reason they all supported Obamacare was they knew they would make more money (the smart doctors, i.e. AAPS, opposed it). In the next few years, more doctors are going to leave the system, either retiring or starting practices like mine (direct care). People who prefer to get their "care" in the system will see NPs and PAs (I'm not saying they provide worse care, but the training is very different). Many patients are already opting for a naturopath or functional medicine doctor, since COVID revealed establishment medical doctors as pharma shills. Medicare for all is not going to pay for these alternatives. Sounds like Abdul's wife is much smarter than him.