As long as the Vaccine Complex retains liability immunity, no one should take any vaccine. Signed “former Vax Compliant turned, Vax Skeptic, turned Anti Vax”
That seems to me to be the single best reason in the whole world not to take any vaccine! Anything getting special protection from consumers should be immediately suspect.
Agreed. But actually have not been compliant. I am proud of you for thinking for yourself the world needs more of that. When someone says a vax is needed for anything, it is automatically rejected by me. Can't fly, I drive, can't go to school learn online etc. Non compliance is my goal my whole life. And I have done alright. No masks, no 6', always hugs, detoxing after visiting jabbed people, loving life. No Dr's either. They make me sick. There are enough natural remedies to help your body to do the natural thing. God gave us exactly everything we need in nature. Mad men just abuse the gift and use things to poison us in everything that we do.
The more funding and power they get the worse public health becomes. Let's turn off the spigot and see what happens. Cov!d "rules", brought to you by the makers of the Food Pyramid.
Didn’t Nancy Reagan say, “Just say, NO!?” It seems the phrase applies.
Aaron Siri did a fantastic job of explaining and debunking the measles kerfuffle. Feckless feck, Shapiro is burnt toast, but the midwits will continue to sing like deranged canaries.
I say, yes. For a broken bone, really bad cut with stitches needed. But for basic everyday never. Drs. do not use anatomy and nutrition or natural remedies. They just throw pill after pill to hide the symptoms never concerned about the source. They are useless, I am referring to Allopathic not Naturopaths or Herbalists.
When I was a child, I got the German measles, Red measles, mumps, chicken pox and various kinds of flu. My immune system was robust and fought like Mohammed Ali to defeat all contenders. Today at 75, my top priority is to keep my billions of immune cells in tip-top condition to keep their KO 🥊 record going.
"the magazine gets around to informing readers that pediatricians have watched “in horror” as Kennedy’s HHS has “weakened the public’s faith in vaccination.”
Read more carefully: "watched in horror" as their vax-kickback paychecks shrank.
There is “government control for the latest thing…until we discover we were wrong waaaaay after everyone already knew we were wrong and pressured us into admitting it”, but yeah, no such thing as public health.
That's it! There is a good reason why Article I, Section 8 never included public health. The federal government was not supposed to take care of the people. Society works better when people take care of themselves.
Since we will always have the indigent, at a minimum, the states can do the taking care of part, so that the people in each state can decide if that's how they want their money spent.
Health matters were thought to be state matters by the Founders. It's not that they had no experience with epidemics b/c across colonial history there had been any number of epidemics, usually in coastal cities like Boston, NY, and Philadelphia. That said, I am both angry and embarrassed that my governor (Josh Shapiro) is running cover for Pharma and working hard to punish our Amish population for their no-vax and raw milk culture.
Gauleiter Shapiro is a liar and a hypocrite: He advertises that she is keeping utility prices down to help the elderly but never mentions that he wants PA to join the Regional Green Gas Initiative which, by some estimates, will RAISE the cost of energy by 30%. In other words, he's a DemocRAT.
And, he's an authoritarian. One would think that if he were even the least bit conversant with Nazi history regarding the hygiene movement that ended in the Holocaust that he would back off and leave us alone.
This is like finding out about your husband’s mistress by looking at his phone, and the only thing he says is “I can’t believe you looked at my phone! You have trust issues!”
@Carolyn- I asked my daughter why their money wasn't consolidated into one account like many married couples. They hadn't thought of it. When she and her husband did, that's when she found out he had been virtually cheating (think Only Fans) on her even before they were married.
That was last year. They have moved forward together with counseling, moved out of his childhood home he owned (I HATED that house because of the vibe it gave off. She had seen his deceased father's shadow numerous times and their toddler son would be talking to a particular corner of his room. This is important info for later) and into a new home of their own (with a crapton more room, I might add), and the knowledge that his 'very Christian' brother and SIL won't talk to them now because daughter had the actual nerve to confront her husband about infidelity AND his uncle quietly told her his father was worse, among other family secrets, and the brother and SIL thinking how dare he support a wife who would confront the man of the family!!! Honest.
So trust issues didn't work here. A very forceful woman and a man who knew he had a weakness and was grateful someone found out turned into a good thing.
When researching my article for First Do No Harm in 2024, I was shocked that nearly 50% of medical students are on some type of brain drug for anxiety, stress, and whatever other excuse they believe that they need drugs to cope.
But even worse, is that far too many doctors in training no longer discuss the Hippocratic Oath in medical school.
Yes, thank Barry that this trust-bankrupt institution is (ONLY) "more affordable." Like the day inflation is zero, the day of affordable healthcare will always be beyond the horizon. Picture the bully on the playground announcing to you that he is slashing his daily take by 5%: Obamacare.
In the category of "adding insult to injury," it seems Congress (collectively) has no interest in improving Healthcare, in spite of how easy that would be.
I'm sure the fact that they are not on Obamacare has nothing to do with that lack of interest. 😏
I bet a lot of the reason congress has no interest in improving healthcare is because they get lots of money for not being interested in improving healthcare.
Except for most kids on the playground the bully actually took 150% more from them each day, and their siblings, and demanded the address of where your dad worked so he could steal his lunch too.
When I was in college in '72, Big Tobacco was on campus during orientation handing out cute, free, "starter packs", containing four cigarettes of all of what-would-become our "favorite brands." No one did not go back for seconds and tenths. One of those kids went to work for Big Pharma, and remembered.
...and, yes, that's when my 20+ year habit started.
I managed to stop, cold turkey, after a Good Old-fashioned Chest-Pain Scare.
I wonder if that was about the time they started putting the filters on cigarettes, you know, the filters with the chemicals that have the addictive properties 🚬
We went on a health kick and started eating more veggies - especially broccoli because it seemed to do a good job of limiting a lot of diseases. About the same time, cigarettes started tasting awful, & I just gave them up without a problem! I, at first thought, it was the cheap smokes I was buying. never knew why smoking suddenly tasted awful until recently I found out broccoli has natural substances that make cigarettes taste bad!
I had to look up when the Surgeon General warning labels came about and google AI says January 1, 1966. So, did the starter packs have a warning label? I’m thinking they didn’t?
The warning was there as I recall, but... 20-somethings: "Cancer is for other people." The early warnings were still pussy-footing around real dangers. Something like, "They're making us put this warning on here, but nobody can prove anything. AND WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT 'FREE?!'"
oh that ship has sailed. you should research it about how the Hippocratic oath has been altered in many medical schools to downplay or get rid of the do no harm part. yeah, no bueno. not to mention that they are all mostly pass/fail now and they are not giving up on the DEI. I wouldn't trust a doctor under 40 now.
What’s so weird to me is that even after the media has been exposed as straight up liars, people are like “Oh, maybe this time they are telling the truth!” Smells like an abusive relationship to me…
My 92 year old mother believes everything the news tells her. Because "well why would they lie? Their job is to report news and that's what they do". I've stopped trying to get her to understand.
Some one said it and it needs to be repeated. If the population is declining vaccines they are choosing the virus. So yes, we should see more “cases.” That would be natural. A feature not a bug. 🤪 We prefer to deal with the illness than trust the conflict of interest liars.
@Mary Ann- HA! However, I received a Rubella vaccine in 5th grade. When I was pregnant with my first, turned out I didn't have any immunity at all. The day after he was delivered they gave me one. I reserched and apparently the batch we were given in fifth grade was useless. Perhaps my daughters got some from me but he didn't.
Sadly, the rubella vaccine does not pass on immunity (only the wild virus does that) to babies and sometimes the vaccinated end up getting vaccine induced measles.
"the vaccinated end up getting vaccine induced measles"
Yes, happened to me when the county health dept sent out notices that kids couldn't start 8th grade without the MMR, fortunately it was the Big Red measles instead of Rubella, 8-9 days after the vaxx, so until the spots showed up I was sharing all over the place.
I did not know that. And I had the German measles when I was 3. But I’m pretty sure our boys received the MMR shot, or else they wouldn’t let them in kindergarten, as I remember.
My trust in the medical establishment has been forever broken. Up until cOvId, I blindly trusted. Never before were we being coerced into getting a “vaccination”…”free doughnuts” anyone? And why were newborns being whisked away after birth to stay in the “nursery”. I’ve never given it a thought, until now.
Hi Laura Lee, My trust in the medical establishment ended in 1975 when I was told I had to have my appendix out IMMEDIATELY. After the operation, I woke up but didn't open my eyes because I heard the doctors talking. One doctor asked the doctor that performed the operation, how the operation went. The operating doctor said, "His white blood cells weren't high, but we did the operation anyway." (High white blood cells would mean the appendix was inflamed.) So, I got a useless operation that could have been avoided, a scar that I have to this day, 51 years later, and an appendix that the medical establishment years later said helps the body. With all the pain of surgery (since it was the old-fashioned type with a six inch incision on the right side of the lower body) I do believe this bordered on malpractice. But, just graduating from graduate school with no health insurance, poor as a church mouse, with an inadequate self-image, I just let it go. Ever since that time, Ronald Regan's quote, "Trust, but verify" has constantly been my motto.
I, too, had my appendix out. However, mine was inflamed and it was an emergency situation, or so we were told. I also have that lovely scar. I wonder how many unnecessary surgeries were performed? 💰💵🤑
"The premise behind the idea of vestigial organs is that our bodies contain “evolutionary leftovers”—once biologically necessary but now unimportant, lingering on only because they don’t outright kill us. The appendix receives the anatomical slur most frequently—despite its documented functions that we are now aware of. Also on the list are tonsils and the spleen."
I will say this: I go with the Colo-gard[TM] mail-in test (how would you like THAT job???) although it can MISS indications. However my wife went in for the colon*y and the doc found the dread "polyps! [Robert!]" which he snipped and cauterized. Now polyps might be like tonsils, having some yet-to-be-determined health benefit, but they are ugly, and no one mourned their passing.
BUT... OUR rural hospital has the quaint practice of sending a bill showing patients the Full-Boat/Stun-You Retail Price for The Procedure, along with the Medicare "Adjustment" and payment, the consequent "Commercial Insurance" payment and the Still Shocking/Heart-Attack-Inspiring "Final Balance."
We used to open these--get stunned--and stagger around in a daze. When we finally get the courage to contact them to ask, "Why did you not tell us our insurance was inadequate to cover the procedure?!", they respond--every time--"Oh that... your commercial coverage paid it. You have no balance." When asked, "WHY do you SCARE your customers like that?!", the response is--always--"We don't know what 'customers' you're talking about, but THAT's how we DO it." Also, although they are RAPID with their over-charge, they have NEVER sent a corrected statement showing zero balance. "It's how they do it."
My bestie had one because "prevention". The doc perforated her colon in 2 spots. Finished it and just ... sent her home. Her husband brought her back to the same hospital ER 3 hrs later in excruciating pain and the ER discovered it, got her into immediate surgery. Opened her up (different surgeon, thank God!). Her entire system had to be vacuumed out, 2 feet of intestines removed, put on colostomy bag for 12 weeks, watched closely for sepsis, then another surgery to reconnect her intestines, then 3 month recovery from that. Now she has a huge zigzag scar from belly button to pelvic bone. Turns out she was the THIRD patient in 2 yrs that "doctor" had done that to. He was allowed to take "early retirement", rather than be fired - he was in his 40s. At least the hospital didn't charge her for the repairs. The tort laws are so bad in her state, she couldn't even find an attorney to take the case.
And now, you don't even need to do that anymore - they have a blood test
that happened to my 7 yr old son... came home from school complaining about a stomach ache, he seemed really sick, got him in to the doctor & white cell count was high. Dr. said the white cell count & symptoms indicated his appendix needed to come out asap. So out it came, and surprise, nothing was wrong with his appendix, but white cell count went down, stomach quit hurting... A few days later, my husband & I were talking about why he could have had the symptoms, & had to have an appendectomy, when he piped up that some kid had punched him in the stomach really hard & made it hurt. I asked why he never said anything, and he said no one asked him why his stomach hurt..
David Baldwin, I am not taking the side of the doctors here but having been a PA back in the dinosaur age(around 1975) I witnessed appendixes being removed as a cautionary measure. Why? Because a ruptured appendix was 100x worse for the patient (and I saw those too, but not many). Just a thought.
Hi Jennifer L., Yes, I got the "education of worst case scenario" from the doctor if I didn't have it taken out. My question is still: At what point is it absolutely necessary, without any doubt, that it must come out? My aunt had her appendix frozen, but I have no idea what that did. My mother said she then didn't have to have it removed. Is that something they did pre-1975? Or maybe it was pre-1950?
("dinosaur age" to me just happened a few years ago! When you're in your mid 70's, everything just gets melted together as if it happened "yesterday!" I can still remember vivid things over 50 years ago, e.g. when I was the college drum major blowing my whistle to start a half-time performance, marching in the visiting band at Notre Dame football stadium, riding my tricycle in my development and peddling home to 25E in the development around 1955. I must have been a "free-range" child!
Jennifer, oh, horrors! No, no! With apologies to yourself and your husband, I was intending to address David Baldwin because I thought I recognized the neighborhood he was describing.
They still do that when someone has surgeries for gut areas, so they can make sure if the patient has stomach pain, they will know it is not the appendix.
I left instructions at the hospital that I didn't want our newborn to receive the hepatitis vaccine for, you know, when he became a drug user and shared needles later. They looked at me, in this rural hospital, like I was Sasquatch the Magnificent whom they thought only a rumor, but understood.
Then it showed up on the itemized bill.
I believe they administered it--what'm I gonna do? sue a leviathan? I had nothing in writing--but I exhausted them having them open their records and PROVE it was NOT administered.
That's also the son who is a "Native American" because The State INSISTED "something" go into that blank, and informed me "in Wisconsin, 'race' is self-identified." (I'd offered to bring him to the capital to have their "scientists" measure his head and do all their "tests"--short of noting skin color of course--to get the most "accurate" determination: "Race is sooo critical these days, you understand, that I'd hate to get it wrong by just basing it on my OPINION!" They told me the secret about "self-identification" only from exasperation. BTW, 18th and 21st birthdays came and went without "complimentary fishing licenses" arriving in the mail: I had been SURE The Bureaucracy would do SOMETHING with the info in that box... So far, nuthin'.)
My husband had told his dr that he only wanted the pneumonia and not the flu, around 2023. When the EOB came, and after phone calls, I discovered they were both in the same jab. 😡 He passed away in January 2025 at 69. I will never know if this also contributed to his de*th.
I didn't blindly trust, but I did do the usual except I was never keen on the flu shots so I have had like 2 in my life I think. I am horrified I went along and got my girls the HPV shot, should not have done that. I think it has caused mine both some problems; one of them is definitely covid jab injured. If you think you can't hate the government enough, you can hate them more, like me.
True, Tim, but that would also mean the organization was around the institution's convenience not necessarily best-care.
Let's stop a moment and give some credit where it's due, at least to obstetrics. It's obvious that by the 1950s, societal pressure was already insisting that "babies should be delivered in hospitals; you know, where the experts are," and the "boom" in babies mandated something like Ford's assembly-line approach to keep up. I believe parents WANTED to be relieved of the worry and the pain and were all-in on the hospitals' solutions.
However, SOMEwhere, SOMEtime, SOMEone (Lamaze?) said, "It doesn't have to be this way; hospitals don't have to look at birth as 'processing newborns.' They COULD emphasize 'the Family Experience' and try to stay in the background."
When you stop and think about it, THAT attitude/approach, which I would say prevails today, goes AGAINST the otherwise commonly accepted notion that "doctors know everything," and commonly accepted 'explanation' that "because I said so!"
We can bless 'em for that.
Similarly the de-tonsillizers have gone their way, and the medical establishment is not still insisting every child everywhere must submit to the, oh-so-highly lucrative and relatively simple "operation."
There's a telling word for you: as in, "Healthcare, what an operation."
A very close friend and his wife recently had a child. Years ago, before the kid, I did what I could to educate this young man, sent him a copy of "Turtles All the Way Down," linked articles, etc. He and his wife decided to vaxx anyway. He said he couldn't believe the system was as corrupt as the evidence I presented. People just don't want to know. Vaccines, Amen, as Aaron Siri so eloquently put it. I'm just hoping the new baby boy doesn't become the 1 in 22 autistic kids in CA or have some other serious autoimmune problem. It's literally Russian roulette with syringes. If I were having a kid today, I'd pack up and move to Idaho in order to have the freedom to choose. Pray for the vaxxed, folks.
Same thing during Covid. Exposing what real science found about the illicit jabs would undermine confidence in them. Talking about deaths and severe adverse events would create “vaccine hesitancy”. No shit, Sherlock! How dumb are people?
But she didn’t say she wouldn’t use it. I think she can’t suggest it to you because she might lose her license. My friends oncologist when I suggested Tumeric as a supplement and she checked with him “I cant recommend that.” He didn’t tell her not to take it.
Telling the truth would destroy their credibility, implicate too many politicians, and put half of them in prison, but worse than that, piss off their corporate benefactors and likely end any future “donations”.
As long as the Vaccine Complex retains liability immunity, no one should take any vaccine. Signed “former Vax Compliant turned, Vax Skeptic, turned Anti Vax”
That seems to me to be the single best reason in the whole world not to take any vaccine! Anything getting special protection from consumers should be immediately suspect.
Hear here!!! Or hear hear!!! Or maybe it’s here here!!! Either way I agree
That trajectory is true for every anti-vaxxer amongst us. Thanks!
I call myself an “ex-vaxxer”.
It’s very frustrating when people are not the least bit curious as to the reasons why.
I like “ex-vaxxer”. Anti-Vaxxers are associated with Right Wing Terrorists (that don’t really exist).
Agreed. But actually have not been compliant. I am proud of you for thinking for yourself the world needs more of that. When someone says a vax is needed for anything, it is automatically rejected by me. Can't fly, I drive, can't go to school learn online etc. Non compliance is my goal my whole life. And I have done alright. No masks, no 6', always hugs, detoxing after visiting jabbed people, loving life. No Dr's either. They make me sick. There are enough natural remedies to help your body to do the natural thing. God gave us exactly everything we need in nature. Mad men just abuse the gift and use things to poison us in everything that we do.
I said this to someone. Would you drive a car if the manufacturer was immune?
Should people really be trusting public health on any level?
Clown world. But, like, the clown from Stephen King's "It." Effing scary.
In other news, Tim Curry died today.
The more funding and power they get the worse public health becomes. Let's turn off the spigot and see what happens. Cov!d "rules", brought to you by the makers of the Food Pyramid.
Could not agree more! Our PH is worthless and is not remotely interested in helping ‘the public’ get healthier.
PH is in the same category as PE (Public Education)
Didn’t Nancy Reagan say, “Just say, NO!?” It seems the phrase applies.
Aaron Siri did a fantastic job of explaining and debunking the measles kerfuffle. Feckless feck, Shapiro is burnt toast, but the midwits will continue to sing like deranged canaries.
Can’t fix Stupid! 🥹
No
Simple answer: No!
Is that a rhetorical question?... I LOVE rhetorical questions! :D
Yes, it is.
Beautifully done! ;)
I say, yes. For a broken bone, really bad cut with stitches needed. But for basic everyday never. Drs. do not use anatomy and nutrition or natural remedies. They just throw pill after pill to hide the symptoms never concerned about the source. They are useless, I am referring to Allopathic not Naturopaths or Herbalists.
NO
Nope
No
When I was a child, I got the German measles, Red measles, mumps, chicken pox and various kinds of flu. My immune system was robust and fought like Mohammed Ali to defeat all contenders. Today at 75, my top priority is to keep my billions of immune cells in tip-top condition to keep their KO 🥊 record going.
For those of you who are interested in immune health, read this paper I co-authored with Dr.Kanji Nakatsu - https://www.cccalliance.ca/metabolic-disease-harming-our-citizens-and-our-healthcare/
And that’s the Truth!!!! 👏🏻
"the magazine gets around to informing readers that pediatricians have watched “in horror” as Kennedy’s HHS has “weakened the public’s faith in vaccination.”
Read more carefully: "watched in horror" as their vax-kickback paychecks shrank.
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There is no such thing as “public health”.
There is “government control for the latest thing…until we discover we were wrong waaaaay after everyone already knew we were wrong and pressured us into admitting it”, but yeah, no such thing as public health.
That's it! There is a good reason why Article I, Section 8 never included public health. The federal government was not supposed to take care of the people. Society works better when people take care of themselves.
Since we will always have the indigent, at a minimum, the states can do the taking care of part, so that the people in each state can decide if that's how they want their money spent.
Health matters were thought to be state matters by the Founders. It's not that they had no experience with epidemics b/c across colonial history there had been any number of epidemics, usually in coastal cities like Boston, NY, and Philadelphia. That said, I am both angry and embarrassed that my governor (Josh Shapiro) is running cover for Pharma and working hard to punish our Amish population for their no-vax and raw milk culture.
Gauleiter Shapiro is a liar and a hypocrite: He advertises that she is keeping utility prices down to help the elderly but never mentions that he wants PA to join the Regional Green Gas Initiative which, by some estimates, will RAISE the cost of energy by 30%. In other words, he's a DemocRAT.
And, he's an authoritarian. One would think that if he were even the least bit conversant with Nazi history regarding the hygiene movement that ended in the Holocaust that he would back off and leave us alone.
Brilliant❗️
Good point
Yup, anytime you have to add a modifer, it's BS.
No such thing as *public" health, just health.
No such thing as *social* justice, just justice.
No such thing as *bull* sh... never mind.
This is like finding out about your husband’s mistress by looking at his phone, and the only thing he says is “I can’t believe you looked at my phone! You have trust issues!”
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@Carolyn- I asked my daughter why their money wasn't consolidated into one account like many married couples. They hadn't thought of it. When she and her husband did, that's when she found out he had been virtually cheating (think Only Fans) on her even before they were married.
That was last year. They have moved forward together with counseling, moved out of his childhood home he owned (I HATED that house because of the vibe it gave off. She had seen his deceased father's shadow numerous times and their toddler son would be talking to a particular corner of his room. This is important info for later) and into a new home of their own (with a crapton more room, I might add), and the knowledge that his 'very Christian' brother and SIL won't talk to them now because daughter had the actual nerve to confront her husband about infidelity AND his uncle quietly told her his father was worse, among other family secrets, and the brother and SIL thinking how dare he support a wife who would confront the man of the family!!! Honest.
So trust issues didn't work here. A very forceful woman and a man who knew he had a weakness and was grateful someone found out turned into a good thing.
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When researching my article for First Do No Harm in 2024, I was shocked that nearly 50% of medical students are on some type of brain drug for anxiety, stress, and whatever other excuse they believe that they need drugs to cope.
But even worse, is that far too many doctors in training no longer discuss the Hippocratic Oath in medical school.
If only all doctors cared about keeping the Hippocratic Oath to First Do No Harm, we might have better medical care: https://lizlasorte.substack.com/p/first-do-no-harm?r=76q58
At least Husseinaobamacare made health care more affordable... 🤣🤣🤣
Yes, thank Barry that this trust-bankrupt institution is (ONLY) "more affordable." Like the day inflation is zero, the day of affordable healthcare will always be beyond the horizon. Picture the bully on the playground announcing to you that he is slashing his daily take by 5%: Obamacare.
In the category of "adding insult to injury," it seems Congress (collectively) has no interest in improving Healthcare, in spite of how easy that would be.
I'm sure the fact that they are not on Obamacare has nothing to do with that lack of interest. 😏
I bet a lot of the reason congress has no interest in improving healthcare is because they get lots of money for not being interested in improving healthcare.
That, Momcat, is a bingo. With US Healthcare expenditures approaching 20% of GDP, politicians are bought, sold, and bought again.
how about they (Congress) give us plebes the health care that they receive? that would simplify things.
Except for most kids on the playground the bully actually took 150% more from them each day, and their siblings, and demanded the address of where your dad worked so he could steal his lunch too.
(Wow, Juju, tough neighborhood! A reminder of the famous West Texas saying: "First liar doesn't stand a chance...") Sa-Lute!
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hahahahahahahaha
They also get nearly zero classes in nutrition.
When I was in college in '72, Big Tobacco was on campus during orientation handing out cute, free, "starter packs", containing four cigarettes of all of what-would-become our "favorite brands." No one did not go back for seconds and tenths. One of those kids went to work for Big Pharma, and remembered.
...and, yes, that's when my 20+ year habit started.
I managed to stop, cold turkey, after a Good Old-fashioned Chest-Pain Scare.
Bast*rds.
I wonder if that was about the time they started putting the filters on cigarettes, you know, the filters with the chemicals that have the addictive properties 🚬
"It's the only pleasure I've got left in life!" *cough, cough!* Hahaha...
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We went on a health kick and started eating more veggies - especially broccoli because it seemed to do a good job of limiting a lot of diseases. About the same time, cigarettes started tasting awful, & I just gave them up without a problem! I, at first thought, it was the cheap smokes I was buying. never knew why smoking suddenly tasted awful until recently I found out broccoli has natural substances that make cigarettes taste bad!
At least you stopped! Good for you. I did too so I know how hard it is!!!
Wow - that’s crazy.
I had to look up when the Surgeon General warning labels came about and google AI says January 1, 1966. So, did the starter packs have a warning label? I’m thinking they didn’t?
The warning was there as I recall, but... 20-somethings: "Cancer is for other people." The early warnings were still pussy-footing around real dangers. Something like, "They're making us put this warning on here, but nobody can prove anything. AND WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT 'FREE?!'"
@Liz- I believe warning labels came out in the somewhat early 70s.
“AI can make mistakes, so double-check responses.”
It looks like the warnings got more intense by 1970, so says history.com: https://www.history.com/articles/cigarette-warning-labels-smoking
@Liz- I WANT to say around 1972 they came out. It was a terribly bitter, long battle in the courts between Big Tobacco and the government.
Ok, gotchya. I guess I was too busy making super-elastic bubble-plastic balloons that had benzene in it, then.
oh that ship has sailed. you should research it about how the Hippocratic oath has been altered in many medical schools to downplay or get rid of the do no harm part. yeah, no bueno. not to mention that they are all mostly pass/fail now and they are not giving up on the DEI. I wouldn't trust a doctor under 40 now.
I did put that in - the original Hippocratic Oath was not "pro-death."
What’s so weird to me is that even after the media has been exposed as straight up liars, people are like “Oh, maybe this time they are telling the truth!” Smells like an abusive relationship to me…
Love ya Bad Ass. 😘🤬🍑🥰
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My 92 year old mother believes everything the news tells her. Because "well why would they lie? Their job is to report news and that's what they do". I've stopped trying to get her to understand.
My 87 year old mother is the only one in the whole of the rest of the family that sees through all the BS!!! Bless her...
My 89 yr old father watches news.
But then he just sits and thinks for hours outside while watching nature.
He then comes to the conclusions that most of us here come to...without any outside suggestion as such.
I wish I had his brain!
Some one said it and it needs to be repeated. If the population is declining vaccines they are choosing the virus. So yes, we should see more “cases.” That would be natural. A feature not a bug. 🤪 We prefer to deal with the illness than trust the conflict of interest liars.
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Plus, moms who had childhood "real" measles pass on her immunity to her babies. Win/win!
@Mary Ann- HA! However, I received a Rubella vaccine in 5th grade. When I was pregnant with my first, turned out I didn't have any immunity at all. The day after he was delivered they gave me one. I reserched and apparently the batch we were given in fifth grade was useless. Perhaps my daughters got some from me but he didn't.
Sadly, the rubella vaccine does not pass on immunity (only the wild virus does that) to babies and sometimes the vaccinated end up getting vaccine induced measles.
"the vaccinated end up getting vaccine induced measles"
Yes, happened to me when the county health dept sent out notices that kids couldn't start 8th grade without the MMR, fortunately it was the Big Red measles instead of Rubella, 8-9 days after the vaxx, so until the spots showed up I was sharing all over the place.
I did not know that. And I had the German measles when I was 3. But I’m pretty sure our boys received the MMR shot, or else they wouldn’t let them in kindergarten, as I remember.
No religious exemption in your state?
The vaccine gives you the “virus”…see: “vaccine derived measles “
“vaccine derived polio “
You can use any “vaccine”
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28421976/
Yeah, that's why they no longer talk about the "strain" of measles. They still do talk about it with Ebola & others.
My trust in the medical establishment has been forever broken. Up until cOvId, I blindly trusted. Never before were we being coerced into getting a “vaccination”…”free doughnuts” anyone? And why were newborns being whisked away after birth to stay in the “nursery”. I’ve never given it a thought, until now.
Hi Laura Lee, My trust in the medical establishment ended in 1975 when I was told I had to have my appendix out IMMEDIATELY. After the operation, I woke up but didn't open my eyes because I heard the doctors talking. One doctor asked the doctor that performed the operation, how the operation went. The operating doctor said, "His white blood cells weren't high, but we did the operation anyway." (High white blood cells would mean the appendix was inflamed.) So, I got a useless operation that could have been avoided, a scar that I have to this day, 51 years later, and an appendix that the medical establishment years later said helps the body. With all the pain of surgery (since it was the old-fashioned type with a six inch incision on the right side of the lower body) I do believe this bordered on malpractice. But, just graduating from graduate school with no health insurance, poor as a church mouse, with an inadequate self-image, I just let it go. Ever since that time, Ronald Regan's quote, "Trust, but verify" has constantly been my motto.
https://answersingenesis.org/human-body/what-if-no-one-had-an-appendix/
"The appendix, a safe house for good bacteria, is not a useless evolutionary leftover, but shows God’s careful design in humans."
Hello, David Baldwin-
I, too, had my appendix out. However, mine was inflamed and it was an emergency situation, or so we were told. I also have that lovely scar. I wonder how many unnecessary surgeries were performed? 💰💵🤑
@Laura- tonsils, anyone?
https://answersingenesis.org/human-body/vestigial-organs/vestigial-ideas/
"The premise behind the idea of vestigial organs is that our bodies contain “evolutionary leftovers”—once biologically necessary but now unimportant, lingering on only because they don’t outright kill us. The appendix receives the anatomical slur most frequently—despite its documented functions that we are now aware of. Also on the list are tonsils and the spleen."
🎯 Exactly!
I'd guess probably somewhere around just as many unnecessary hysterectomies that are performed.
And don't leave out that "after 50s special" getting colonoscopies can give you gut diseases and inflame the gut.
And "perforate"!
I will say this: I go with the Colo-gard[TM] mail-in test (how would you like THAT job???) although it can MISS indications. However my wife went in for the colon*y and the doc found the dread "polyps! [Robert!]" which he snipped and cauterized. Now polyps might be like tonsils, having some yet-to-be-determined health benefit, but they are ugly, and no one mourned their passing.
BUT... OUR rural hospital has the quaint practice of sending a bill showing patients the Full-Boat/Stun-You Retail Price for The Procedure, along with the Medicare "Adjustment" and payment, the consequent "Commercial Insurance" payment and the Still Shocking/Heart-Attack-Inspiring "Final Balance."
We used to open these--get stunned--and stagger around in a daze. When we finally get the courage to contact them to ask, "Why did you not tell us our insurance was inadequate to cover the procedure?!", they respond--every time--"Oh that... your commercial coverage paid it. You have no balance." When asked, "WHY do you SCARE your customers like that?!", the response is--always--"We don't know what 'customers' you're talking about, but THAT's how we DO it." Also, although they are RAPID with their over-charge, they have NEVER sent a corrected statement showing zero balance. "It's how they do it."
Colonoscopies are dangerous.
My bestie had one because "prevention". The doc perforated her colon in 2 spots. Finished it and just ... sent her home. Her husband brought her back to the same hospital ER 3 hrs later in excruciating pain and the ER discovered it, got her into immediate surgery. Opened her up (different surgeon, thank God!). Her entire system had to be vacuumed out, 2 feet of intestines removed, put on colostomy bag for 12 weeks, watched closely for sepsis, then another surgery to reconnect her intestines, then 3 month recovery from that. Now she has a huge zigzag scar from belly button to pelvic bone. Turns out she was the THIRD patient in 2 yrs that "doctor" had done that to. He was allowed to take "early retirement", rather than be fired - he was in his 40s. At least the hospital didn't charge her for the repairs. The tort laws are so bad in her state, she couldn't even find an attorney to take the case.
And now, you don't even need to do that anymore - they have a blood test
https://oncosuretesting.com/faq/
The same number as cholecystectomies (gallbladder removal) performed. Mine was unnecessary, but they did it anyway.
LAURA LEE,probably on the same scale as unnecessary tonsillectomies.
@Jennifer- HA! I JUST said the same thing!!!
that happened to my 7 yr old son... came home from school complaining about a stomach ache, he seemed really sick, got him in to the doctor & white cell count was high. Dr. said the white cell count & symptoms indicated his appendix needed to come out asap. So out it came, and surprise, nothing was wrong with his appendix, but white cell count went down, stomach quit hurting... A few days later, my husband & I were talking about why he could have had the symptoms, & had to have an appendectomy, when he piped up that some kid had punched him in the stomach really hard & made it hurt. I asked why he never said anything, and he said no one asked him why his stomach hurt..
<one of those emojis of a face with the Really Big Eyes and the Mouth Open, but as big as this screen>
David Baldwin, I am not taking the side of the doctors here but having been a PA back in the dinosaur age(around 1975) I witnessed appendixes being removed as a cautionary measure. Why? Because a ruptured appendix was 100x worse for the patient (and I saw those too, but not many). Just a thought.
Hi Jennifer L., Yes, I got the "education of worst case scenario" from the doctor if I didn't have it taken out. My question is still: At what point is it absolutely necessary, without any doubt, that it must come out? My aunt had her appendix frozen, but I have no idea what that did. My mother said she then didn't have to have it removed. Is that something they did pre-1975? Or maybe it was pre-1950?
("dinosaur age" to me just happened a few years ago! When you're in your mid 70's, everything just gets melted together as if it happened "yesterday!" I can still remember vivid things over 50 years ago, e.g. when I was the college drum major blowing my whistle to start a half-time performance, marching in the visiting band at Notre Dame football stadium, riding my tricycle in my development and peddling home to 25E in the development around 1955. I must have been a "free-range" child!
I would like to just get in your mind and stroll around for a few hours...
Hmmm David, that is reserved for my husband of 40+ years.😃
Jennifer, oh, horrors! No, no! With apologies to yourself and your husband, I was intending to address David Baldwin because I thought I recognized the neighborhood he was describing.
@Jennifer- I would have liked to know the viability of her appendix. Was it pink and firm? No elevated white cell count? Lawsuit.
They still do that when someone has surgeries for gut areas, so they can make sure if the patient has stomach pain, they will know it is not the appendix.
I left instructions at the hospital that I didn't want our newborn to receive the hepatitis vaccine for, you know, when he became a drug user and shared needles later. They looked at me, in this rural hospital, like I was Sasquatch the Magnificent whom they thought only a rumor, but understood.
Then it showed up on the itemized bill.
I believe they administered it--what'm I gonna do? sue a leviathan? I had nothing in writing--but I exhausted them having them open their records and PROVE it was NOT administered.
That's also the son who is a "Native American" because The State INSISTED "something" go into that blank, and informed me "in Wisconsin, 'race' is self-identified." (I'd offered to bring him to the capital to have their "scientists" measure his head and do all their "tests"--short of noting skin color of course--to get the most "accurate" determination: "Race is sooo critical these days, you understand, that I'd hate to get it wrong by just basing it on my OPINION!" They told me the secret about "self-identification" only from exasperation. BTW, 18th and 21st birthdays came and went without "complimentary fishing licenses" arriving in the mail: I had been SURE The Bureaucracy would do SOMETHING with the info in that box... So far, nuthin'.)
@David- I am speechless.
I know; THEY are nuts, right? It's not me! I mean, it's not JUST me, right?
My husband had told his dr that he only wanted the pneumonia and not the flu, around 2023. When the EOB came, and after phone calls, I discovered they were both in the same jab. 😡 He passed away in January 2025 at 69. I will never know if this also contributed to his de*th.
Oh Laura, my heart. I'm so sorry.
Thank you, Jenna. ♥️
You brighten my days! Thank you!
I am sorry. It was too soon.
Thank you, David. ♥️ Yes it was.
LMAO!!!!!!! Love it David!
Free lap dances too!!
Right!!?? 😂
I didn't blindly trust, but I did do the usual except I was never keen on the flu shots so I have had like 2 in my life I think. I am horrified I went along and got my girls the HPV shot, should not have done that. I think it has caused mine both some problems; one of them is definitely covid jab injured. If you think you can't hate the government enough, you can hate them more, like me.
That could be as simple as one room is easier to watch.
True, Tim, but that would also mean the organization was around the institution's convenience not necessarily best-care.
Let's stop a moment and give some credit where it's due, at least to obstetrics. It's obvious that by the 1950s, societal pressure was already insisting that "babies should be delivered in hospitals; you know, where the experts are," and the "boom" in babies mandated something like Ford's assembly-line approach to keep up. I believe parents WANTED to be relieved of the worry and the pain and were all-in on the hospitals' solutions.
However, SOMEwhere, SOMEtime, SOMEone (Lamaze?) said, "It doesn't have to be this way; hospitals don't have to look at birth as 'processing newborns.' They COULD emphasize 'the Family Experience' and try to stay in the background."
When you stop and think about it, THAT attitude/approach, which I would say prevails today, goes AGAINST the otherwise commonly accepted notion that "doctors know everything," and commonly accepted 'explanation' that "because I said so!"
We can bless 'em for that.
Similarly the de-tonsillizers have gone their way, and the medical establishment is not still insisting every child everywhere must submit to the, oh-so-highly lucrative and relatively simple "operation."
There's a telling word for you: as in, "Healthcare, what an operation."
A very close friend and his wife recently had a child. Years ago, before the kid, I did what I could to educate this young man, sent him a copy of "Turtles All the Way Down," linked articles, etc. He and his wife decided to vaxx anyway. He said he couldn't believe the system was as corrupt as the evidence I presented. People just don't want to know. Vaccines, Amen, as Aaron Siri so eloquently put it. I'm just hoping the new baby boy doesn't become the 1 in 22 autistic kids in CA or have some other serious autoimmune problem. It's literally Russian roulette with syringes. If I were having a kid today, I'd pack up and move to Idaho in order to have the freedom to choose. Pray for the vaxxed, folks.
@Scott- my woke granddaughter and her husband make sure their kids are getting every single jab under the sun. Every one. I bite my tongue and pray.
Yep, I gave it my best shot and now just shut up and pray.
Same thing during Covid. Exposing what real science found about the illicit jabs would undermine confidence in them. Talking about deaths and severe adverse events would create “vaccine hesitancy”. No shit, Sherlock! How dumb are people?
Once again, Jenna, I am in awe of your cleveritude (?sp)
😂🩷
Cleveritude! That’s a perfect word for Jenna 😂
I spoke with a pharmacist yesterday about chlorine dioxide, she said “I use it on my horses, but I would never suggest it for human use”.
These people should never be blindly trusted.
But she didn’t say she wouldn’t use it. I think she can’t suggest it to you because she might lose her license. My friends oncologist when I suggested Tumeric as a supplement and she checked with him “I cant recommend that.” He didn’t tell her not to take it.
You are probably right about the possible loss of her license.
@Carolyn- if your friend is on 'blood thinners' then tumeric can be a poor choice.
Thanks - she’s not. But of course he did recommend the boosters…
She left me with the impression that it was unheard of for human use.
Richard S, may be worth it to deliver this pharmacist a copy of Jenna and Dr. Kory’s book, The War On Chlorine Dioxide. 😀
LOL! Idiots.
Telling the truth would destroy their credibility, implicate too many politicians, and put half of them in prison, but worse than that, piss off their corporate benefactors and likely end any future “donations”.
Ok this is actually serious stuff but you totally derailed me with the GI RFK Jr doll. Holy crap, yup yup, I would SOOOO buy that baby! lol
They could pair it with the 'Richard/Rachel Levine' camp doll! Hahaha
Oh.My.Lord! 😂
Well, they would have to use it as a "free gift" since hardly anyone would buy that freako.