(Don't get me wrong; if it was a debate, I'm pretty sure I'd have walked away with the trophy. Also he might disagree. But I still like the guy a lot.)
I'm a retired medicinal chemist from the pharma sector. My "ee-ee-ee" moment (see Jenna's moment at ~8:25 into the first video) was early on when the world was in panic mode where, instead of broadcasting the net far and wide looking for solutions to this virus, completely rational ideas for treatment were shut down and labeled as dangerous disinformation. Some of those ideas involved known therapies with a long history of safety. In our practice of looking for new therapeutics, we always went broad screen looking for useful signals that might lead to a new drug. That's when I suspected that science was not driving the car anymore.
There was a coordinated effort to protect people/things in the name of "safety".
The outright persecution of anyone not spouting the party lines was a giveaway. Here in Canada, physicians are STILL being persecuted for not practicing the orthodoxy.
Initially, I was delighted to see all hands on deck. Come one, come all! Let’s put our heads together! Then, it was like an invisible raptor swooped down and quickly plucked most of the deck hands right off the deck until we were down to maybe five voices dictating the entire show. I was reeling, wondering how they could solve this mystery without a roundtable of cream of the crop doctors, and WHY would they want to?
Any doubt that I had made the correct choice to remain in the control group disappeared as quickly as Dr. Simone Gold disappeared from the front lines.
For me it was the arrows on the floor of the grocery store. Remember those !?
You could only walk down the aisle in the direction of the yellow little arrows on the floor. Of course with the brains of most drenched in MSM propaganda the violators of this rule were quickly rebuked by other shoppers.
I just kept searching for Rod Serling to peek around the corner ..." WELCOME !
Actually my favorite was when Trader Joe’s said they couldn’t take my reusable bags and proceeded to step around the plexiglass to hand me their stupid paper bags. #MakeItMakeSense
Oh what a “walk down shopping lane while in CovidCon”! All of it was utterly ABSURD. And the mask police, the young workers at Target and Sprouts who followed you around the store, trying to give you a mask to put on and then when you declined, getting up in your “grill” telling you that you needed to put one on!
And it was always the youngins who did this. Who gave them the ‘authority’ to harass the customers about the masks?
I would surmise state and local public health departments threatened and intimidated business owners into forcing their employees to go after the customers who refused to “behave” or else the business would be punished.
A business “would be punished” as to how? The whole thing was not legal in any way. Public health authorities actually had no authority to enforce anything legally, because there was no law in place that said you had to wear a mask, or stand six feet from another person, or that during a fake “pandemic” people had to wait in line to shop in a store, that only so many people were allowed in as store during a pandemic.
No where was this crap encoded into ANY law. No where! It was all done by the public health authority and Gubment thought police.
I know I had the police called on myself and 4 of my friends who dared to shop without a mask in an ‘upscale progressive book/gift store’ in La Jolla CA. It turned into a total s**t show, (not by us or our actions) but by the store manager, employees and even some customers. They were following us around, pleading for us to put on a mask, customers were yelling at us to leave the store. When the police finally came it was a relief. We knew our rights, and told the police what they were. The police knew they had no grounds to cite us or even arrest us. This was out in sunny southern Commifornia in La Jolla, CA.
Thank you and bless you for standing your ground! I am glad you weren't alone, there is strength in numbers. I never had the cops called on me here in NW Covidistan (Washington State) but there were some tense interactions, at least one of which I wish I had recorded. The crazy covid lady sure did and it likely exists in some corner of the interwebs but we don't do "social" media so will probably never see it.
“What we lived through in 2020–2022 was not science; it was a panic-stricken bureaucracy enforcing obedience while censoring debate. That alone tells you something fundamental about the fragility of the underlying theories.”
“If a model is robust, it can withstand questions.
If a model collapses when asked a basic question, it requires a mandate.”
Waiting in line to shop because they limited the number of people in the store. And then at one grocery store in particular, you put the scanned and paid for items back in your basked or cart and then went outside where they had tables set up for you to bag them.
I remember waiting in line to shop at Costco, but when I finally got in, everyone was crowding around the meat counter, pushing in to grab ground beef and pork chops. So much for social distancing.🤷🏻♀️😅
And don’t get me started on masks! “Everyone wear a mask! Wear something! It doesn’t matter what it is! It doesn’t matter how many times you’ve worn it! It doesn’t matter if you touch it multiple times to adjust it!! It doesn’t matter how/where you dispose it! Just wear something and we will all be saved!!!”
I thought that was ridiculous as well. So ridiculous that I crochet masks with big stitching, (you could see quarter inch holes!! ) to wear to work. No one recognized the humor or sarcasm there, no one said not to wear them.
It was three things for me. No warnings about the CV jab. Every other drug commercial has a speed reader tell you you may die if you take the drug. Not the jab. The other two-rioters and border hoppers didn’t need to wear the mask. Seriously!
It was the deeply flawed “studies” proving the “dangers of ivermectin,” a drug I knew to be safe, and design flaws that made me think I was losing my mind. Painful awakening, but now grateful. (IVM added to 2-3 other drugs that prolong QT interval, and even then, could only eke out one adverse result in a critically ill patient) Wakefield was right!
This was my wake-up moment, too. When they were denigrating ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, I said to myself, "Self, this is not about health", and down the rabbit hole I went.
What was missing in the first video was any acknowledgement that the pandemic was a government-directed population cull. (IVM and HCQ had the unacceptable side-effect of leaving the patient alive and well.) The psychological operation succeeded in inducing fear, leading to compliance. This confirmed for our globalist masters that their plans for One World Government were right on track.
Very early on, the fear and panic (the death count on CNN) and slogans (propaganda) put me off. The lack of calm humans and reasonable solutions was obvious, martial law included (people forced to stay in their homes and watch the fear/hate coming out of their devices).
The medical profession had already discredited themselves to me ages before when it was clearly not about health but about creating a business system concerned with tests, devices, drugs anything but root cause health. This was the final act, they committed suicide by siding with the media, politicians and big pharma. What I was most surprised by? The actual scientists. I learned that biological 'science' was, in fact, a religion inexorably tied to big business, not an exploration of discovery....and the white-robed high priests consider themselves infallible.
This is a perfect example of why the legacy media is dead. No way you would ever see this sort of openness from the bought-and-paid-for ghouls of the mainstream. Well done Jenna, and huge thanks to Dr. Spencer for having the humor, good grace and frankly the *balls* to enter into a debate like this, especially at short notice. I look forward to watching on my commute home later today.
I did appreciate hearing and considering what he was seeing and experiencing in New York when it all hit. I can understand how he would believe the vaccine was salvation. I don’t agree that it was, but I understand now how some doctors can have that mistaken but deeply held belief. I also don’t doubt that it can be helpful in specific circumstances for specific people, where the benefits of trying the vax outweighs its immense risks. But I feel those are few and far between situations and it’s not as encompassing as they think it is.
Craig's view from what he was seeing in New York is a valuable perspective. However, I feel that the healthcare system never stopped to question "Wait a second, people are rapidly dying, maybe we are doing something wrong? Perhaps we are actually the PROBLEM and not the solution?"
The problem I have seen with individual views is that they ARE individual views. Like Dr. Spencer never saw the clots because that is not where his view was. He saw dying people because...Covid? Covid PLUS pneumonia? Covid plus being 85? Covid plus other underlying diseases? People wearing masks while having Covid? Covid plus motorcycle accident? (they will never live that one down). I always wonder, how many people simply died of being terrified of Covid? How many people like myself had Covid once ( it was like a bad flu) and never again, as opposed to my vaccinated sister who have been fully vaccinated and had Covid 5 times and counting.
If you are an emergency doctor and a sick person comes in and the staff tells you they tested positive for Covid, are you going to check again yourself and make sure? Are you going to be able to ask that unconscious person what other diseases they have? I had a doctor friend who told me how bad it was in the nearby hospital and how crowded it was. I had news for him, my mother had died the previous year of old age, and the hospital was every bit as crowded, if not more so, but this Doctor friend wasn't there the previous year so had no frame of reference. Each person gets their own view and it is limited by their own perceptions and experiences.
The initial Pfizer study was so messed up (one extra death "from" Covid in the non vaccinated, but one extra death from all causes in the vaccinated) it made me wait and see. When they started rewarding the healthcare facilities for people having died of Covid instead of people saved who had Covid, that's when I ran the opposite direction.
Perfectly stated! I wish I could bring you all to my next debate lol! It’s hard to remember every single point you want to make in the moment, especially when you both go off on tangents… I am making a solid list for next time!
For me, as a NYer, it was the massive tv news propaganda, the fear mongering, the simultaneous mask bandwagon from all kinds of companies and people making them with all kinds of fabrics and logos etc, and NYC mayor chomping on the French fries after his jab saying how delicious they were and everyone gets fries after their jab LMFAO!
Dearest Craig- so do I!!!! Tom Haviland is one of the many people that inspire me and I am honored to be working with him and to call him my dear friend.
Craig, you also said re the clots, “If there is a definitive connection, then of course we want to know about that.”
The bottom line is that we don’t know - it certainly looks like a duck.
But we will never know definitively if these clots are not acknowledged and studied by the people in power.
Our team is using their OWN money and ALL of their time to study this pathology/phenomenon that has never been seen so abundantly before the shots rolled out. Many years prior, there was a rare condition called “white clot syndrome” caused I believe by the use of heparin. Lately, embalmer Richard Hirschman has been seeing these clots in half of the bodies he embalms.
Re: studies saying you are more likely to get myocarditis from covid.
There are studies that refute that, so someone is lying.
I guess what this boils down to is, who do you believe?
The medical industrial complex has proved that they do not deserve our trust and for me, it will never be gained back. NOT EVER.
Yes Craig - we are all scarred. I fear the hurts will never be healed.
Perhaps you might benefit from listening to what Chase Hughes says about psyops. There is a scale that determines what is a psyop. The official Covid narrative is/was a psyop.
As far as vaccinating your children. Yes. I agree, “we all need to be given the information and the data”.
I implore you Craig. Look into the claim that the childhood vaccines are tested against placebos. Attorney Aaron Siri says otherwise and it’s a fact documented by the FDA itself.
God bless you Craig and thank you for engaging with Jenna. I fervently pray your eyes will be opened because the health of your patients and more importantly, your precious children depend upon it.
I know firsthand how hard it is to realize the lies we’ve been told. I got two Moderna shots. The anger is motivating.
I know this: I will never again believe the medical industrial complex about ANYTHING. I've always doubted authority figures, but with covid, they crossed the line with me. There's no going back. It enrages me.
And where are the test results that prove taking multiple vaccines in one sitting is safe? Or that taking them at every 2-month “wellness checkup” is safe?
Perhaps individual vaccine are safe🤔🤷🏻♀️but what about when taken together?
Exactly, and until they test against a true placebo instead of other vaccines or vaccine components, they will never show a safety signal. The “unethical” excuse is pure BS.
Nonexistent. The same healthcare system that did this study is still promoting both shots.
“A team of U.S. federal government researchers is warning of a massively elevated risk of stroke among people who have received vaccines for the flu and Covid within close proximity.”
Bless you & your team Laura for your perseverance. It’s so easy for the establishment in the medical/ scientific world to say there’s “no evidence” of x, y or x when the actual studies aren’t done by the usual agencies they like to cite. The US scientific community should have been all over this years ago. Anyway, At this point ( & well past) there seems to be more than enough information from worldwide studies to point definitively to problems linked to the bio weapon. The fact that this is not acknowledged or recognized is proof they don’t want to see it & the underlying reasons for the entire experiment. Thanks to Jenna for having the discussion,looking forward to watching today.
Thank you for your passion,Laura. And, gratitude for the time and money you and Tom spend to bring this to the public consciousness..
It was interesting that Dr.Craig says he “reads the inserts” of the vaccines he gives his children. It is very difficult to understand how someone who reads ( and supposedly understands) what is ACTUALLY in those shots,would continue injecting it into their children…maybe doctors get a different product than the everyday person?
Also, if inserts only have data from internal research, what are they worth? We're seeing this now in pet vaccines, "particle RNA" rabies and Feline Leukemia, from Merck. Only short term data, done in house. No conflict of interest, of course /s.
I don't think so Tonee. Craig may be reading the inserts, but is he actually comprehending what he's reading? He's indoctrinated. That would cause anyone to not comprehend something that goes against everything they "believe".
However ,there has been some information that seems like the Cvd jabs had different batches,that had different side effects…
What do you think about the speculation that some people even got “placebos “? That is probably unlikely,too. Still,it’s interesting that some people ( in my personal sphere) seem utterly unchanged, and others have everything from Shingles,cancers,to,unexpectedly dropping dead…🤷🏻♀️TY!
Oh, that's easy: they didn't want it SO obvious that these shots were deadly and disease-causing, so a certain percent of placebos was a necessity to keep people compliant and coming in for their free donuts.
Not sure about the validity of that, but I did remember that my batch started with an 01 - note I have not looked up my batch number because I have no health issues and I don't want that in my head if there are AE's associated with that batch number. So perhaps I got saline and that is why I continue to be in good health. Having said that though, I take a ton of supplements to mitigate any harm that may have occurred.
We have to admit - that the overwhelming majority of people seem have no health issues. Of course, in my old life, the majority of people were vaxxed and I don't have a relationship with any of them anymore (the elephant took up all the space and the air in our relationship seeing as though I cannot speak of what I am involved in) so I don't know what the state of their health is now. I ran into my estranged brother the other day. He looked well and so did his wife. I have no idea how many shots they've gotten. He was friendly, but he continues to want nothing to do with me or my twin sister. So very sad.
Told that it’s “only a safety signal,” not proof of harm, and by #s of shots administered, that adverse events are rare. Having been around a number of unvaxxed kids recently, I actually think that many, many vax injuries are unrecognized as such, even by the parents. There’s just a calm attentiveness to their demeanor.
Unfortunately, I cannot watch the whole interview on the way to work and I have skimmed through the first part. He is very human and he is very personal, but he still holds a great delusion that product was anything other than a bio weapon designed and released through deception with the intent to do harm .The PCR test for COVID-19 has a Rothschild patent dated October 13, 2015. Moderna’s most relevant beginning patent statement 2018, though the underlined processed pattern state for 2016. Anybody who stands on the establishment side, whether on purpose or by ignorance will remain my enemy until the end of my day.
& the 2019-2023 Pfizer & Moderna 10-K SEC filings that disclose to shareholders that, in the U.S. & UK, all mRNA products are legally considered gene therapy products! Yet nobody volunteered that info… or that two of Moderna’s disclosed key stakeholders are BARDA & DARPA, I.e., the DHHS & DoD!
There are patents for mRNA use and research from as back as 2003 with names of the usual suspects. Dr. David Martin researched these near the beginning of Covid psyop. He has a YouTube channel and website.
My husband has over 50 yrs as virologist/immunologist, worked in Public Health Dept for many years advising public/doctors/govt on how to manage disease. He also worked with PCR and is very familiar with it. The co-inventor of PCR, Kary Mullis, has said it should NEVER be used as a test for anything. It was created to gather info from DNA. There is a video on You Tube of him speaking to an audience and saying it would always give false positives if used to test anything. I wonder how many people got false positives from PCR "test"? We will probably never know.
Correct. Increase the cycles above 30-something and you'll find any number of things that don't mean disease. I think the common standard during Covidiocy was 40 cycles, but it was hard to pin down. Seemed to be concern about publishing that info. Hmmm…
Exactly! It was hard to get that info but from what I've seen (our direct inquiries of the Minnesota Dept of Health, various books, etc) they were used at 35+.
The WHO recommended using a CT of 45, which guarantees an enormous number of false positives, and therefore “cases.”
The scientific consensus has long been that anything over 35 CTs renders the PCR test useless, as the accuracy will be a measly 3% — 97% are false positives.
“Any test with a cycle threshold (CT) above 35 is too sensitive, says Juliet Morrison, PhD, a virologist at the University of California, Riverside. “I’m shocked that people would think that 40 [cycles] could represent a positive.” A more reasonable cutoff would be 30 to 35, she added. Dr. Mina said he would set the figure at 30, or even less.”
Jenna, hats off to you for engaging in this conversation. And hats off to Dr Spencer. I would love to meet you as well, I’m the co host of the Why Should I Trust You? podcast which hosted Craig, Dr Weinstein and Dr Kory. We interviewed Del Bigtree the next day.
We didn’t all agree, but it is my estimation that these conversations are the way forward. I’d love to meet you.
Dr. John Campbell - mRNA "vaccine" harms predicted - 16 min
I know that Dr. Weinstein understands the true nature of the COVID modified mRNA-LNP gene "therapy" transfection injections (they are not vaccines) and the inherent danger of the mRNA transfection platform.
Since you've already had him on your podcast, hopefully you could arrange for him to come back to discuss these predictably immunologically dangerous and fundamentally flawed modified mRNA-LNP transfection injections that were fraudulently marketed as "vaccines".
I’d seriously like to know the name(s) of those who initiated or wrote or were involved in any way with the changed definition of “vaccine” in August or September 2021.
I think it was also changed in 2015.
Those folks, if still employed by our tax dollars, need to go.
They fraudulently mis-categorized the COVID mRNA transfection injections as "vaccines"...they knew most people would automatically believe the "safe & effective vaccine" propaganda, especially when the COVID shots were recommended by their doctors.
ALL vaccines are dangerous...But the Biggest Lie of the "COVID vaccine" propaganda is that the mRNA COVID shots are vaccines.
People need to understand the truth that the mRNA "COVID vaccines" are modified mRNA-LNP gene "therapy" transfection products.
The mRNA transfection platform itself is irreparably flawed & inherently dangerous and the platform itself IS the primary problem.
Even if there was no E.coli DNA plasmid "contamination" with no carcinogenic SV-40 promotor sequence, even if they had not deceptively injected shots into the public that were made by Process 2, even if the spike protein was not pathogenic...these mRNA transfection injections would have still injured and killed people.
The mechanism of action (using mRNA instructions to turn one’s own cells into foreign non-self “spike protein factories”) IS the primary mechanism of harm.
For those who are seeking an understanding as to why the injuries from these mRNA transfection injections are so widespread and can greatly vary from person to person:
The modified mRNA-LNP transfection injections genetically instruct one's own cells to become "factories" for the production of foreign non-self proteins...
This triggers an immune system attack response, starting with the Killer T-Lymphocyte cells which will target and destroy one's formerly healthy cells, ANYWHERE in the body, that are now expressing non-self proteins...starting a cascade of damage at the deepest biological/cellular level.
Due to the biodistribution properties of the (toxic & inflammatory) lipid nanoparticles, the encased (designed to be long-lasting) n1-methyl pseudouridine modified mRNA can go anywhere in the body, including crossing the blood-brain and placental barriers...The LNP "delivery vehicles" traveled to different parts of the body in different people.
Expressing any foreign protein is fatal to the cell doing the expressing. The reason is, our bodies are protected by being able to distinguish ourselves from things that shouldn't be there. Anything non-self will trigger immune destruction of the cells & tissues involved.
Some people will express lots of foreign proteins in vulnerable locations. Others express less in less vulnerable areas.
The location of expression defines the adverse event: if you get foreign protein expression in your heart cells, you could get myocarditis & experience cardiac arrest; if the expression is in your brain, spinal cord, or peripheral nervous system, you could get one or more of a variety of neurological conditions; if in your eye, possible blindness; if in your ovaries, possible infertility; if in the placenta, possible miscarriage, stillbirth, or birth defects; if in the endothelial cells that line your blood vessels, possible vascular &/or microvascular injuries like clots/microclots or the long white fibrous clots, leading to strokes, heart attacks, or pulmonary embolisms…
If the expression of foreign proteins is in your own immune cells, you could experience immune dysfunction, dysregulation, & suppression including repeated infections, immune tolerance of a pathogenic foreign protein due to antibody subclass switch to IgG4 & increased IgG4-related diseases, T cell exhaustion, interference with & suppression of innate immunity, persistent systemic inflammation, dysregulation of toll-like receptors and reduced cancer surveillance or the suppression of tumor-suppressing immune system activities & cell-signaling (increasing your risk of fast-growing and aggressive cancers)…
And more…
Pathology reports, including from autopsies, have revealed & confirmed the Killer T Lymphocyte infiltration & destruction of cells, oftentimes in vital organs.
There's no limit to the horrible consequences of injecting into your body something that triggers your own immune system to attack & kill your own formerly healthy cells & tissues.
The public “health” agencies, the COVID “authorities”, & the “mainstream” media fraudulently marketed these experimental mRNA gene “therapy” transfection products as “safe & effective vaccines”. Trusting people thought that they were being presented with the choice (or the mandate) as to whether or not to take a “safe & effective vaccine”…But that was/is a deceptively false “choice”…
The COVID-19 mRNA shots are NOT safe, they are NOT effective, and they are NOT vaccines.
These modified mRNA-LNP gene “therapy” transfection injections never would have passed proper safety studies required for gene therapy products. Safety studies (including biodistribution, immunogenicity, immunotoxicity, genotoxicity, carcinogenicity, reproductive toxicity, shedding, long-term effects, & more) that were bypassed because of the fraudulent mislabeling as “vaccines”. (And because of the EUA & “countermeasure” designations under the Project BioShield Act & PREP Act in the United States).
The danger is NOT limited to just getting more COVID “boosters”. ANY mRNA (or DNA) gene “therapy” product that transfects your cells and instructs those cells to produce foreign non-self proteins (ANY non-self protein) will trigger an immune system attack response against your own cells & tissues (the role of the Killer T-cells is to monitor ALL the cells of the body, ready to destroy/kill any that express foreign, non-self proteins). This makes EVERY mRNA-based (or DNA-based) transfection product harmful by design.
This entirely predictable immune response to one's own cells being instructed to create and express non-self proteins (ANY non-self protein) triggers autoimmune responses, and then T-cell exhaustion and immune system dysfunction...regardless of whether or not the foreign protein is toxic itself.
Self vs. Non-self...Basic fundamental Immunology 101...
"While the pharmaceutical industry rushes to expand mRNA use for its speed and profit, a fundamental immunological principle is being overlooked: Any cell that produces a foreign protein is marked for destruction by the immune system.
This isn't theoretical. Clear histopathological evidence from biopsies and autopsies confirms the vaccine's genetic material does not stay at the injection site. It enters systemic circulation and spreads uncontrollably throughout the body, including to vital organs like the brain and heart.
Once there, the body's own cells are forced to produce the foreign antigen, triggering an immune attack on its own tissues."
The undermining of this basic foundational principle of human immunity made the IMMUNOLOGICAL CATASTROPHE of the modified mRNA-LNP gene "therapy" transfection injections entirely predictable...(and I am not a doctor nor am I in the medical field).
And they can shed on others, making them dangerous and injurious for those who said "Hell NO!" as well...
These transfection injection bioweapons NEVER should have been injected into a single human being...
It is not enough for there to be no mandates...
Tragically, because more people do not understand that this is not about "choice", this is not about the ability to tell others what to do or not...
Because more people are not standing up and demanding that these "traditional" modified mRNA-LNP transfection injections be pulled from the market, the next "evolution" is moving forward (the self amplifying mRNA transfection technology platform)...
Vioxx, 1976 Swine flu shot, Thalidomide, DES, DDT, etc...etc...ALL removed from the market after having previously been approved for use in the USA, or Europe, or wherever...yet now some people are acting like removing a product from the market is unprecedented...
Dangerous, injurious, deadly products must be pulled from the market!!! You do NOT give uninformed or misinformed people the "choice" to use such products.
Especially when their uninformed "consent" leads to them taking a product that sheds and poses a legitimate danger to the health of those being shed on.
Shedding from these transfection injection bioweapons IS an extremely serious concern, with some people being affected more than others...
NO ONE should have ever had the “choice” of taking these gene “therapy” transfection injections because the modified mRNA-LNP genetic transfection technology platform is fundamentally flawed & dangerous by design.
I only watched video 1 , but can’t keep my mouth shut . I was a laborist/ hospitalist in Detroit during this entire time. Craig gave in to fear porn respectfully. My ER gave too much IV fluids , they drowned and got ventilated and died . Then the jab came out …. The real maiming and death started from those jabs that people took because they were scared out of their minds . Look at the time line . Babies , pregnant women, healthy jocks ect… died suddenly… ( Tom and Laura Thank u for your work 🙏) . Sorry Craig , 2 separate phenomena… Covid ( if real ) nailed those who had comorbities and iatrogenic means due to over zealous healthcare providers. The maiming and killing is still happening due to those death darts . Wake up healthcare providers, do a deep dive into your immunology and cellular transport mechanisms. Thank u truth warriors and Jenna for not stopping… fight on .
He said they were trying everything- no, they were not. They were not trying ivermectin or hydrochloride- they were banning them! He is willfully blind. Great interview-
Nor were they trying Vitamin C or Vitamin D even though there was plenty of data (and a few unpublicized studies) showing fantastic effectiveness against Covid.
That's certainly an interesting point to ponder, but from what I've read it's far more common that doctors (MDs) do NOT practice what they preach. They know chemotherapy is toxic and would never give it to their own family (while they get rich selling it to the public). It certainly sounds like many don't vaccinate their own children.
They do have a tough job though. They aren't educated in health, yet they have uneducated patients walking in the door wanting a miracle pill to cure whatever their current symptom is. If the public demands it, you can be sure someone will supply it. So the key for them is to create the demand (aka terrify everyone with a scary pandemic where they renamed the flu "SARS-CoV2", cranked up PCR cycles to the point where darn near everyone would test positive for "Covid", tyrannized life so badly that people would do anything to get their normal life back.)
Right! I commented on that,too. “We tried everything. We turned them over,we turned the on their sides “…GOOD GRIEF. I suppose he is used to people not really questioning his words…🤷🏻♀️ He didn’t even react when Jenna mentioned that an entire country stopped Cvd using ivermectin. You would think he would at least say “really? What country? Could you send me that information?” Crickets.
"He didn’t even react when Jenna mentioned that an entire country stopped Cvd using ivermectin. You would think he would at least say “really? What country? Could you send me that information?” Crickets"
How INCURIOUS is Dr. Spencer? THAT incurious!!
Jenna, you really need to sharpen your interview game. I know that you enjoy how much folks enjoy your humor however:
You had ONE JOB.
I haven't watched Part 2 yet. Too many Substacks & podcasts. Too little time.
Thanks for your comment. Heading over to 2 now. (Already annoyed...)
Well,it WAS a start. Was it as satisfying as I hoped. No. However,it was very important to tread lightly in this first encounter to encourage further dialogue….imho.
But,my gut tells me Dr. Craig will not participate in a 3rd interview…I would be pleasantly surprised,and,I’m sure Jenna learned from this interview which did take a lot of cahones to do. Plus,I’m sure, a restless night for her…
Jenna, thank you for featuring Laura's and my work on the "white fibrous clots" in your discussion with Craig. I think that Craig was disingenuous in his response when you asked him to explain this new type of clot. He conflated the clots with another Covid jab side effect, myocarditis, then incorrectly tried to infer that it's more likely to get these clots and myocarditis from the Covid virus than from the Covid jabs. Thus, Craig tries to justify young people getting the jabs.
But Craig's statements are FALSE. It is actually much more likely to get myocarditis from the jab than from the infection according to the Thailand study of 301 high schools kids, the Basel Switzerland study of over 700 healthcare workers, and from personal observation by cardiologist Dr. Peter McCullough. Dr. McCullough only saw a few cases of myocarditis in his practice in 2020 when just the virus was present. But then his number of cases of patients with myocarditis and pericarditis exploded in 2021 AFTER the jabs rolled out.
Similarly, in my "2024 People's Blood Clot Survey" where over 1,400 patients responded about their own blood clotting issues over the past 5 years, only 79 of the people responding said that the blood clotting issue was in the year 2020. Conversely, over 500 people said that their blood clotting occurred in each year 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024 AFTER the jab rollout.
Thanks for watching and weighing in, Tom! I suspected his statements were false but didn't have any of those stats or studies committed to memory, unfortunately. Great fodder for the follow-up! :)
I just watched both and I really enjoyed this conversation - thanks for hosting & KUDOS to Dr Spencer for being so, well, human! I commented on your last post about him that I hoped he'd read your article and write some BS response - I never would have guessed he'd be so gracious and good-humored.
Two things that stuck with me - I wonder (and am very much assuming NO) if he's heard of/read Alex Berenson's book Pandemia, where Alex talks about the "Happy Vaccine Valley" that existed immediately after the vaccines, before that all wore off and opened the door to more issues - Dr Spencer described SEEING it, and how that of course led to "vaccines saved us in the long run." I'd LOVE for him to talk to Alex about that whole time period. I'm sure it was a horror show on the ground but would be interesting to see if he could take in what Alex has to say about it. And I appreciated your bringing up what he described as "culling the herd," because that's absolutely valid.
I also found myself wondering about what he said about it's shown that covid itself causes more myocarditis than the vaccines - wait, what? His analogy with the banana disease - where is he getting those figures? Were massive numbers of unvaccinated folks who got covid coming down with myocarditis? What's the control group that's giving him that info?
EDITING TO ADD one more thought: I thought that, re the clots, Dr Spencer saying he personally hadn't seen them, was maybe not the most compelling reason not to be more worried about them. Jenna I thought you made a great point about him in the ER not knowing whether a heart attack was caused by one of those danger noodles (I know that's slang for snake - but it's what seems to fit here too) - so of course he wouldn't see them - and that it's the EMBALMERS who are the ones who are figuring that out. I hope he thinks about that issue some more.
It was amazing to see a CIVIL and seemingly genuinely inquisitive conversation like this. Thanks again for doing this. I hope you do get to meet again.
There are easily a dozen books that it would be great to have "both sides" sit and go through point by point and present each side's take on all the ideas and information and "proof" provided.
In a conversation, it's easy to slip and slide all over the place. Books however provide us with concrete documentation that we can either support or critique.
Thank you Jenna for your courageous zoom interview with this young man.
I think Dr Craig Spencer would make a good politician someday. His cordial, apologetic response is laced with inuendo that glosses over the target issue of corporate capture of science and the truth that vaccines and the paradigm of western medicine will never make humanity healthy
I'm trying to believe that Dr. Spencer is just a nice guy who doesn't think too deeply about these matters rather than thinking this scary thought which is that Satan's oldest trick is to get us to think he either doesn't exist or that he's just a nice guy who doesn't think too deeply about these matters.
I definitely did not expect him to sound so friendly...but that doesn't change the fact that he is supporting the completely corrupt Big pHARMa industry.
Can you forward him this video? I wonder how he would possibly try to explain away basic immunological functions of the human immune system.
Here comes the pessimist. Doctors are now trained to talk to "vaccine hesitant" patients. The training is obviously to find the crack and to then use it to convince the patient to accept vaccines. Obviously the training includes being cordial and finding common ground, because being a jerk has been shown not to work. My concern here is that Craig is practicing these methods to understand "what they are up against" so that this training can be honed further.
That could very well be the case... but I feel like the more Craig talks to folks like me, the more he'll be FORCED to face/acknowledge. Awakening happens slowly for some folks, and what he's seen and been through will be hard to rewire... I still have faith. ;)
Is it any wonder why our latest survey has less than 25 responses? Tom, Richard and I think it’s because if they speak out now, they will be demonized and be deemed complicit for not speaking out years ago.
Not until the harms and crimes against humanity caused by governmental over-reaction & by the mRNA "vaccine" are ADMITTED to, and the victims who are INJURED are ACKNOWLEDGED, and the very same government which MANDATED that victims take these drugs makes every attempt to HELP RESTORE THEM TO GOOD HEALTH will I ever have any "faith".
Yes! Two years ago, a loved one who wanted to educate me on the benefits of vaccines recommended I read the American Academy of Pediatrics website (app.org), but I found it was full of propaganda on how pediatricians should talk to young parents who were vaccine hesitant.
My naturopath said it well, vaccines are an unnecessary medical treatment. In the days when they were created historically, We might not have had effective alternatives. TODAY WE DO Can you say ivermectin and chlorine dioxide and hydrogen peroxide
I find the interviews hard to listen to sometimes Jenna, as so much has been done. So if this was addressed later on in the interview I apologize for not listening the whole way through yet...
Regarding the epicenter of New York, being in the thick of it... I can imagine his distress at the hopeless situation he faced.
Number one, does he think it odd that only a few centres were hit hard like this? New York and Bergamo are the two that come to mind.
Number two (and you probably addressed this) at what point did they abandon conventional treatments for pneumonia (which, if covid was a sudden virus, one would think many had developed pneumonia, so this would be treatment protocol, but I've heard in a number of areas this was not applied, maybe NY did try this but to no avail?)
Number three the DIFFERENCE in the experience to the rest of the world... Now the argument could be "viruses get weaker" as time goes on, that's how they survive... So the rest of the world got a weaker strain... The other side of the coin is this, and majorly this if a virus is so fatal people were just dropping dead left right and centre, well it's not a good virus, killing the host before widespread transmission is not a recipe for virus survival.
Also coronaviruses have a poor replication ability (even juiced up in a lab) therefore nasty coronaviruses burn hot, and then out... They don't travel to select spots on the planet so hot, they often remain local... Mainly why they argued in the past there's no cure for the common cold, the mutation rate is too quick, and then they burn out.
So this leads me to number four, and apologies this bit may be long...
The rest of the world (and within the US) it was generally like a flu season, even similar death rates... But not NY, not Bergamo, and a few other places... Old and young were going down...
Do you think the psyop played on us all, including doctors was they were dealing with a virus, when in fact in these selected hot spots, it wasn't a virus, but a mass poisoning? There's many similarities with poisoning, and this would explain people of all ages going down fast and being untreatable... Especially if you're trying to treat them for a respiratory virus, but in fact in this instance it actually was a poisoning?
I'm no expert, but If we take the supposed factors of "covid" or SARS CoV 2 (whatever the correct usage is) a lot of people had:
1./ the loss of taste and smell...
2./ Some supposedly went downhill very quickly, hypoxia within hours... Very unlike a respiratory virus
3./ Apparently a tell tale sign mentioned early in the "pandemic" there were "ground glass opacities" visible in lung x-rays.
This sounds very much unlike a virus, and more like a poisoning ...
Poisonings often give the above symptoms within hours.
Was there a transmissible poison?
One that diluted as it spread, then SARS CoV 2 became the narrative for many other viruses/sequences detected via PCR, but the poison was the initial scare, deliberately put in place in certain areas??
Was there a poison put in a public area?
Who knows?
Just a theory... I am likely wrong, it's just speculation. Here's a link to the "ground glass" opacities as found in early covid patients in NY and select locations...
Patients who went downhill fast (unlike most covid patients worldwide), was it carbon nanotube (or similar nanoparticle) inhalation causing lung scarring?
Not saying this is what covid was, but just at a guess... Maybe this could be whatever covid may have been in NY and a few other locations where "Covid" differed greatly from the misdiagnosed colds/flu via PCR in the rest of the world...??
Can see single walled Carbon Nanotubes (which degrade into Graphene Oxide, hence the similarity to Graphene side effects) was known then to cause LUNG SCARRING in animals...
That paper above is 2016... So .... Was this what was (perhaps) released into for example ventilation systems in the subway in NY, and other select locations to give the impression of covid as a devastating fast acting virus (as a hypothetical)?...
Being NANOPARTICLES you wouldn't even SEE it as dust, could such a thing be transmitted person to person briefly via aerosol saliva?
A short lived pollution that infects others, but dies out via dilution through the population??
There's also this CDC bulletin about pollution/exposure of employees to nanoparticles conducted in 2009, including other nanoparticles such as cadmium and titanium)
Just a thought, I'm sure there's a million other things it could have been, for a number of people to have unique symptoms as above.
Then of course the only solution was apparently a gene therapy?!
Why would you interfere with delicate cellular processes (any cell, randomly, anywhere in the body) in the first place? Just to drive an antibody response?? Crazy!!
That's the sort of risks you could draw on a whiteboard in the office when brainstorming this concept... So why go ahead with it? Just insane.
Why not a traditional vaccine? Seriously, as mRNA can only pollute your cells with unnatural conflicting information, not only hindering normal cellular function, but also guiding the body to attack itself and likely exhaust the immune system by the time it does actually encounter the virus.
The method of creating antibodies via foreign protein expression from your own cells is dangerous in the first place... Doesn't matter that you create antibodies, you've totally corrupted your body's building blocks to do so.
Congratulations if you actually get this far... The other problem is the antibodies created are effectively useless against a respiratory disease in the first place. You produce IgG antibodies (blood borne and bound) when you need IgA antibodies (produced in your airways when you have a respiratory disease)... IgA antibodies are what is required to fight the virus where it is (in your airways) and also give protection from reinfection... No your IgG antibodies do not cross over into your airways... So even the argument of antibodies falls flat, really. as per Professor Steele's statements - Australian Molecular and Cellular Immunologist, Geneticist & Microbiologist (hope this link still works)
Anyway some questions that you may have asked, sorry I haven't listened the whole way through.
I know no one who died of covid (not even friend of a friend) but I could write an essay on suspicious deaths immediately after a covid injection, and many more suspected injuries of the heart, and super quick acting and fatal cancers.
I love your writing style Jenna, and no you didn't sound feral at all in your podcast interview 😊
I also wonder about additional exposure in specific hot spots like NY. possible “extra” poisons in chemtrails combined with the “virus” spreading to make it appear more deadly. Call me crazy but something suspicious was going on.
I'm a retired medicinal chemist from the pharma sector. My "ee-ee-ee" moment (see Jenna's moment at ~8:25 into the first video) was early on when the world was in panic mode where, instead of broadcasting the net far and wide looking for solutions to this virus, completely rational ideas for treatment were shut down and labeled as dangerous disinformation. Some of those ideas involved known therapies with a long history of safety. In our practice of looking for new therapeutics, we always went broad screen looking for useful signals that might lead to a new drug. That's when I suspected that science was not driving the car anymore.
100%, that was what gave the game away.
There was a coordinated effort to protect people/things in the name of "safety".
The outright persecution of anyone not spouting the party lines was a giveaway. Here in Canada, physicians are STILL being persecuted for not practicing the orthodoxy.
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YES!
Initially, I was delighted to see all hands on deck. Come one, come all! Let’s put our heads together! Then, it was like an invisible raptor swooped down and quickly plucked most of the deck hands right off the deck until we were down to maybe five voices dictating the entire show. I was reeling, wondering how they could solve this mystery without a roundtable of cream of the crop doctors, and WHY would they want to?
Any doubt that I had made the correct choice to remain in the control group disappeared as quickly as Dr. Simone Gold disappeared from the front lines.
For me it was the arrows on the floor of the grocery store. Remember those !?
You could only walk down the aisle in the direction of the yellow little arrows on the floor. Of course with the brains of most drenched in MSM propaganda the violators of this rule were quickly rebuked by other shoppers.
I just kept searching for Rod Serling to peek around the corner ..." WELCOME !
to the TWILIGHT ZONE ! "
Actually my favorite was when Trader Joe’s said they couldn’t take my reusable bags and proceeded to step around the plexiglass to hand me their stupid paper bags. #MakeItMakeSense
Oh what a “walk down shopping lane while in CovidCon”! All of it was utterly ABSURD. And the mask police, the young workers at Target and Sprouts who followed you around the store, trying to give you a mask to put on and then when you declined, getting up in your “grill” telling you that you needed to put one on!
And it was always the youngins who did this. Who gave them the ‘authority’ to harass the customers about the masks?
I would surmise state and local public health departments threatened and intimidated business owners into forcing their employees to go after the customers who refused to “behave” or else the business would be punished.
A business “would be punished” as to how? The whole thing was not legal in any way. Public health authorities actually had no authority to enforce anything legally, because there was no law in place that said you had to wear a mask, or stand six feet from another person, or that during a fake “pandemic” people had to wait in line to shop in a store, that only so many people were allowed in as store during a pandemic.
No where was this crap encoded into ANY law. No where! It was all done by the public health authority and Gubment thought police.
I know I had the police called on myself and 4 of my friends who dared to shop without a mask in an ‘upscale progressive book/gift store’ in La Jolla CA. It turned into a total s**t show, (not by us or our actions) but by the store manager, employees and even some customers. They were following us around, pleading for us to put on a mask, customers were yelling at us to leave the store. When the police finally came it was a relief. We knew our rights, and told the police what they were. The police knew they had no grounds to cite us or even arrest us. This was out in sunny southern Commifornia in La Jolla, CA.
Thank you and bless you for standing your ground! I am glad you weren't alone, there is strength in numbers. I never had the cops called on me here in NW Covidistan (Washington State) but there were some tense interactions, at least one of which I wish I had recorded. The crazy covid lady sure did and it likely exists in some corner of the interwebs but we don't do "social" media so will probably never see it.
WHY <northkorea>, as 'in the world, did BUSINESSES _accept_ the UNFUNDED <northkorea> MANDATES to POLICE agency policies?
WHY, for that matter <northkorea>, did our fellow citizens TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVES <northkorea> to POLICE fellow <northkorea> citizens' behavior?
This pretty much spells it out…
“What we lived through in 2020–2022 was not science; it was a panic-stricken bureaucracy enforcing obedience while censoring debate. That alone tells you something fundamental about the fragility of the underlying theories.”
“If a model is robust, it can withstand questions.
If a model collapses when asked a basic question, it requires a mandate.”
Turfseer Substack 11/20/25
Waiting in line to shop because they limited the number of people in the store. And then at one grocery store in particular, you put the scanned and paid for items back in your basked or cart and then went outside where they had tables set up for you to bag them.
I remember waiting in line to shop at Costco, but when I finally got in, everyone was crowding around the meat counter, pushing in to grab ground beef and pork chops. So much for social distancing.🤷🏻♀️😅
😂 (btw ... the kermit with the happy, flailing arms is one of my top two giphy's. Just saying.)
And don’t get me started on masks! “Everyone wear a mask! Wear something! It doesn’t matter what it is! It doesn’t matter how many times you’ve worn it! It doesn’t matter if you touch it multiple times to adjust it!! It doesn’t matter how/where you dispose it! Just wear something and we will all be saved!!!”
I thought that was ridiculous as well. So ridiculous that I crochet masks with big stitching, (you could see quarter inch holes!! ) to wear to work. No one recognized the humor or sarcasm there, no one said not to wear them.
Yes, those masks with packaging that said in the small print "These masks are not effective against viruses."
And the fact they were all over the ground in my neighborhood was nauseating:(
Yes! As if we all shopped at the same pace so wouldn’t have to come in contact with each other.😅
...and the DISTILLED HATRED in the eyes of those beholding ANYONE NOT COMPLYING!!!
It was three things for me. No warnings about the CV jab. Every other drug commercial has a speed reader tell you you may die if you take the drug. Not the jab. The other two-rioters and border hoppers didn’t need to wear the mask. Seriously!
It was the deeply flawed “studies” proving the “dangers of ivermectin,” a drug I knew to be safe, and design flaws that made me think I was losing my mind. Painful awakening, but now grateful. (IVM added to 2-3 other drugs that prolong QT interval, and even then, could only eke out one adverse result in a critically ill patient) Wakefield was right!
This was my wake-up moment, too. When they were denigrating ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, I said to myself, "Self, this is not about health", and down the rabbit hole I went.
What was missing in the first video was any acknowledgement that the pandemic was a government-directed population cull. (IVM and HCQ had the unacceptable side-effect of leaving the patient alive and well.) The psychological operation succeeded in inducing fear, leading to compliance. This confirmed for our globalist masters that their plans for One World Government were right on track.
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Very early on, the fear and panic (the death count on CNN) and slogans (propaganda) put me off. The lack of calm humans and reasonable solutions was obvious, martial law included (people forced to stay in their homes and watch the fear/hate coming out of their devices).
The medical profession had already discredited themselves to me ages before when it was clearly not about health but about creating a business system concerned with tests, devices, drugs anything but root cause health. This was the final act, they committed suicide by siding with the media, politicians and big pharma. What I was most surprised by? The actual scientists. I learned that biological 'science' was, in fact, a religion inexorably tied to big business, not an exploration of discovery....and the white-robed high priests consider themselves infallible.
Dangerous. ☠️
This is a perfect example of why the legacy media is dead. No way you would ever see this sort of openness from the bought-and-paid-for ghouls of the mainstream. Well done Jenna, and huge thanks to Dr. Spencer for having the humor, good grace and frankly the *balls* to enter into a debate like this, especially at short notice. I look forward to watching on my commute home later today.
I did appreciate hearing and considering what he was seeing and experiencing in New York when it all hit. I can understand how he would believe the vaccine was salvation. I don’t agree that it was, but I understand now how some doctors can have that mistaken but deeply held belief. I also don’t doubt that it can be helpful in specific circumstances for specific people, where the benefits of trying the vax outweighs its immense risks. But I feel those are few and far between situations and it’s not as encompassing as they think it is.
Craig's view from what he was seeing in New York is a valuable perspective. However, I feel that the healthcare system never stopped to question "Wait a second, people are rapidly dying, maybe we are doing something wrong? Perhaps we are actually the PROBLEM and not the solution?"
The problem I have seen with individual views is that they ARE individual views. Like Dr. Spencer never saw the clots because that is not where his view was. He saw dying people because...Covid? Covid PLUS pneumonia? Covid plus being 85? Covid plus other underlying diseases? People wearing masks while having Covid? Covid plus motorcycle accident? (they will never live that one down). I always wonder, how many people simply died of being terrified of Covid? How many people like myself had Covid once ( it was like a bad flu) and never again, as opposed to my vaccinated sister who have been fully vaccinated and had Covid 5 times and counting.
If you are an emergency doctor and a sick person comes in and the staff tells you they tested positive for Covid, are you going to check again yourself and make sure? Are you going to be able to ask that unconscious person what other diseases they have? I had a doctor friend who told me how bad it was in the nearby hospital and how crowded it was. I had news for him, my mother had died the previous year of old age, and the hospital was every bit as crowded, if not more so, but this Doctor friend wasn't there the previous year so had no frame of reference. Each person gets their own view and it is limited by their own perceptions and experiences.
The initial Pfizer study was so messed up (one extra death "from" Covid in the non vaccinated, but one extra death from all causes in the vaccinated) it made me wait and see. When they started rewarding the healthcare facilities for people having died of Covid instead of people saved who had Covid, that's when I ran the opposite direction.
Perfectly stated! I wish I could bring you all to my next debate lol! It’s hard to remember every single point you want to make in the moment, especially when you both go off on tangents… I am making a solid list for next time!
For me, as a NYer, it was the massive tv news propaganda, the fear mongering, the simultaneous mask bandwagon from all kinds of companies and people making them with all kinds of fabrics and logos etc, and NYC mayor chomping on the French fries after his jab saying how delicious they were and everyone gets fries after their jab LMFAO!
Very few and very far.
Jenna IS the media now!
We all are.
Corporate media is finally being recognized as what it is (that’s why viewership’s tanked).
I’ll look later. Good on him. Nice you could actually talk about it and find a little common ground. That doesn’t happen with me. 😩
Craig said, “ I want a community of Toms”.
Dearest Craig- so do I!!!! Tom Haviland is one of the many people that inspire me and I am honored to be working with him and to call him my dear friend.
Craig, you also said re the clots, “If there is a definitive connection, then of course we want to know about that.”
The bottom line is that we don’t know - it certainly looks like a duck.
But we will never know definitively if these clots are not acknowledged and studied by the people in power.
Our team is using their OWN money and ALL of their time to study this pathology/phenomenon that has never been seen so abundantly before the shots rolled out. Many years prior, there was a rare condition called “white clot syndrome” caused I believe by the use of heparin. Lately, embalmer Richard Hirschman has been seeing these clots in half of the bodies he embalms.
Re: studies saying you are more likely to get myocarditis from covid.
There are studies that refute that, so someone is lying.
I guess what this boils down to is, who do you believe?
The medical industrial complex has proved that they do not deserve our trust and for me, it will never be gained back. NOT EVER.
Yes Craig - we are all scarred. I fear the hurts will never be healed.
Perhaps you might benefit from listening to what Chase Hughes says about psyops. There is a scale that determines what is a psyop. The official Covid narrative is/was a psyop.
As far as vaccinating your children. Yes. I agree, “we all need to be given the information and the data”.
I implore you Craig. Look into the claim that the childhood vaccines are tested against placebos. Attorney Aaron Siri says otherwise and it’s a fact documented by the FDA itself.
https://x.com/newstart_2024/status/1989819564297797852
God bless you Craig and thank you for engaging with Jenna. I fervently pray your eyes will be opened because the health of your patients and more importantly, your precious children depend upon it.
I know firsthand how hard it is to realize the lies we’ve been told. I got two Moderna shots. The anger is motivating.
I know this: I will never again believe the medical industrial complex about ANYTHING. I've always doubted authority figures, but with covid, they crossed the line with me. There's no going back. It enrages me.
I try to look at our awakening as the silver lining…once I realized that I wasn’t actually crazy. Wakefield was right!
God bless Andy Wakefield 🙏
That’s the healthiest way to think about it.
And where are the test results that prove taking multiple vaccines in one sitting is safe? Or that taking them at every 2-month “wellness checkup” is safe?
Perhaps individual vaccine are safe🤔🤷🏻♀️but what about when taken together?
Exactly, and until they test against a true placebo instead of other vaccines or vaccine components, they will never show a safety signal. The “unethical” excuse is pure BS.
Nonexistent. The same healthcare system that did this study is still promoting both shots.
“A team of U.S. federal government researchers is warning of a massively elevated risk of stroke among people who have received vaccines for the flu and Covid within close proximity.”
https://prd-tsn-main-api.s3.amazonaws.com/article/8e27368f-c320-4d8a-91af-851c9b701d06.pdf
I’m sure you see that warning posted at your local Walgreens.
Bless you & your team Laura for your perseverance. It’s so easy for the establishment in the medical/ scientific world to say there’s “no evidence” of x, y or x when the actual studies aren’t done by the usual agencies they like to cite. The US scientific community should have been all over this years ago. Anyway, At this point ( & well past) there seems to be more than enough information from worldwide studies to point definitively to problems linked to the bio weapon. The fact that this is not acknowledged or recognized is proof they don’t want to see it & the underlying reasons for the entire experiment. Thanks to Jenna for having the discussion,looking forward to watching today.
Bless you, Dena 🥰
Thank you for your passion,Laura. And, gratitude for the time and money you and Tom spend to bring this to the public consciousness..
It was interesting that Dr.Craig says he “reads the inserts” of the vaccines he gives his children. It is very difficult to understand how someone who reads ( and supposedly understands) what is ACTUALLY in those shots,would continue injecting it into their children…maybe doctors get a different product than the everyday person?
Also, if inserts only have data from internal research, what are they worth? We're seeing this now in pet vaccines, "particle RNA" rabies and Feline Leukemia, from Merck. Only short term data, done in house. No conflict of interest, of course /s.
I don't think so Tonee. Craig may be reading the inserts, but is he actually comprehending what he's reading? He's indoctrinated. That would cause anyone to not comprehend something that goes against everything they "believe".
Yes,that is unlikely,Laura.
However ,there has been some information that seems like the Cvd jabs had different batches,that had different side effects…
What do you think about the speculation that some people even got “placebos “? That is probably unlikely,too. Still,it’s interesting that some people ( in my personal sphere) seem utterly unchanged, and others have everything from Shingles,cancers,to,unexpectedly dropping dead…🤷🏻♀️TY!
Two foreign studies (Germany and Denmark I think) provided evidence that about ⅓ were placebos. Maybe…
https://brownstone.org/articles/scientists-uncover-evidence-eu-pfizer-biontech-batches-included-placebos/
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13998
I knew I’d heard sumpton’.. How do we make it all fit?
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Oh, that's easy: they didn't want it SO obvious that these shots were deadly and disease-causing, so a certain percent of placebos was a necessity to keep people compliant and coming in for their free donuts.
Found ‘em, not that it helps answer your good question. 🤗https://brownstone.org/articles/scientists-uncover-evidence-eu-pfizer-biontech-batches-included-placebos/
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13998
Tonee - I absolutely believe there were "bad" batches and that there were placebos.
Here is a comment I read:
https://open.substack.com/pub/petermcculloughmd/p/breaking-president-donald-trump-receives?utm_source=direct&r=ul1zh&utm_campaign=comment-list-share-cta&utm_medium=web&comments=true&commentId=165391130
Not sure about the validity of that, but I did remember that my batch started with an 01 - note I have not looked up my batch number because I have no health issues and I don't want that in my head if there are AE's associated with that batch number. So perhaps I got saline and that is why I continue to be in good health. Having said that though, I take a ton of supplements to mitigate any harm that may have occurred.
We have to admit - that the overwhelming majority of people seem have no health issues. Of course, in my old life, the majority of people were vaxxed and I don't have a relationship with any of them anymore (the elephant took up all the space and the air in our relationship seeing as though I cannot speak of what I am involved in) so I don't know what the state of their health is now. I ran into my estranged brother the other day. He looked well and so did his wife. I have no idea how many shots they've gotten. He was friendly, but he continues to want nothing to do with me or my twin sister. So very sad.
https://brownstone.org/articles/scientists-uncover-evidence-eu-pfizer-biontech-batches-included-placebos/
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13998
Thank you Fred. Much appreciated.
Told that it’s “only a safety signal,” not proof of harm, and by #s of shots administered, that adverse events are rare. Having been around a number of unvaxxed kids recently, I actually think that many, many vax injuries are unrecognized as such, even by the parents. There’s just a calm attentiveness to their demeanor.
Unfortunately, I cannot watch the whole interview on the way to work and I have skimmed through the first part. He is very human and he is very personal, but he still holds a great delusion that product was anything other than a bio weapon designed and released through deception with the intent to do harm .The PCR test for COVID-19 has a Rothschild patent dated October 13, 2015. Moderna’s most relevant beginning patent statement 2018, though the underlined processed pattern state for 2016. Anybody who stands on the establishment side, whether on purpose or by ignorance will remain my enemy until the end of my day.
*puts ‘ask about vaccine patents’ on follow-up question list
& the 2019-2023 Pfizer & Moderna 10-K SEC filings that disclose to shareholders that, in the U.S. & UK, all mRNA products are legally considered gene therapy products! Yet nobody volunteered that info… or that two of Moderna’s disclosed key stakeholders are BARDA & DARPA, I.e., the DHHS & DoD!
Whoa, thank you for this info - that's bombshell quality!
There are patents for mRNA use and research from as back as 2003 with names of the usual suspects. Dr. David Martin researched these near the beginning of Covid psyop. He has a YouTube channel and website.
I will provide you with it ahead of time
Would love for Jenna to post a copy here for all of us. It might help us convince others.
My husband has over 50 yrs as virologist/immunologist, worked in Public Health Dept for many years advising public/doctors/govt on how to manage disease. He also worked with PCR and is very familiar with it. The co-inventor of PCR, Kary Mullis, has said it should NEVER be used as a test for anything. It was created to gather info from DNA. There is a video on You Tube of him speaking to an audience and saying it would always give false positives if used to test anything. I wonder how many people got false positives from PCR "test"? We will probably never know.
All of those so-called 'asymptomatic carriers' were false positives! 🙄
Exactly - you got it!
We will never know. But yes, my opinion is that most of the PCR positives were false because they were using the technology incorrectly!
Correct. Increase the cycles above 30-something and you'll find any number of things that don't mean disease. I think the common standard during Covidiocy was 40 cycles, but it was hard to pin down. Seemed to be concern about publishing that info. Hmmm…
Exactly! It was hard to get that info but from what I've seen (our direct inquiries of the Minnesota Dept of Health, various books, etc) they were used at 35+.
The WHO recommended using a CT of 45, which guarantees an enormous number of false positives, and therefore “cases.”
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/protocol-v2-1.pdf
Don't forget the repeat testing! If someone tests negative, test them again until they do test positive! 🤦♂️
Fauci: “cycle threshold of 35 or more the chances are miniscule” “You almost never can culture a virus from a threshold of 37”
https://www.microbe.tv/twiv/twiv-641/ - skip to 4:20
The scientific consensus has long been that anything over 35 CTs renders the PCR test useless, as the accuracy will be a measly 3% — 97% are false positives.
“Any test with a cycle threshold (CT) above 35 is too sensitive, says Juliet Morrison, PhD, a virologist at the University of California, Riverside. “I’m shocked that people would think that 40 [cycles] could represent a positive.” A more reasonable cutoff would be 30 to 35, she added. Dr. Mina said he would set the figure at 30, or even less.”
https://thevaccinereaction.org/2020/09/coronavirus-cases-plummet-when-pcr-tests-are-adjusted/
Jenna, hats off to you for engaging in this conversation. And hats off to Dr Spencer. I would love to meet you as well, I’m the co host of the Why Should I Trust You? podcast which hosted Craig, Dr Weinstein and Dr Kory. We interviewed Del Bigtree the next day.
We didn’t all agree, but it is my estimation that these conversations are the way forward. I’d love to meet you.
Warmly,
Brinda
Let's do it!! I'll chat any time. My email is Jenna (at) jennamccarthy (dot) com. :)
Awesome. Comin at ya. Looking forward to connecting.
Yay! Brinda, So glad you will interview Jenna.
Thanks for the heads up, Brenda.
I'm not familiar with your podcast, but I will check it out. Thank you for providing a space where these conversations can happen.
Would you consider having Dr. Weinstein on your podcast again to discuss the topic of the following video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDFUymH-9W8
Dr. John Campbell - mRNA "vaccine" harms predicted - 16 min
I know that Dr. Weinstein understands the true nature of the COVID modified mRNA-LNP gene "therapy" transfection injections (they are not vaccines) and the inherent danger of the mRNA transfection platform.
Since you've already had him on your podcast, hopefully you could arrange for him to come back to discuss these predictably immunologically dangerous and fundamentally flawed modified mRNA-LNP transfection injections that were fraudulently marketed as "vaccines".
Thank you.
I’d seriously like to know the name(s) of those who initiated or wrote or were involved in any way with the changed definition of “vaccine” in August or September 2021.
I think it was also changed in 2015.
Those folks, if still employed by our tax dollars, need to go.
Absolutely!
They fraudulently mis-categorized the COVID mRNA transfection injections as "vaccines"...they knew most people would automatically believe the "safe & effective vaccine" propaganda, especially when the COVID shots were recommended by their doctors.
ALL vaccines are dangerous...But the Biggest Lie of the "COVID vaccine" propaganda is that the mRNA COVID shots are vaccines.
People need to understand the truth that the mRNA "COVID vaccines" are modified mRNA-LNP gene "therapy" transfection products.
The mRNA transfection platform itself is irreparably flawed & inherently dangerous and the platform itself IS the primary problem.
Even if there was no E.coli DNA plasmid "contamination" with no carcinogenic SV-40 promotor sequence, even if they had not deceptively injected shots into the public that were made by Process 2, even if the spike protein was not pathogenic...these mRNA transfection injections would have still injured and killed people.
The mechanism of action (using mRNA instructions to turn one’s own cells into foreign non-self “spike protein factories”) IS the primary mechanism of harm.
For those who are seeking an understanding as to why the injuries from these mRNA transfection injections are so widespread and can greatly vary from person to person:
The modified mRNA-LNP transfection injections genetically instruct one's own cells to become "factories" for the production of foreign non-self proteins...
This triggers an immune system attack response, starting with the Killer T-Lymphocyte cells which will target and destroy one's formerly healthy cells, ANYWHERE in the body, that are now expressing non-self proteins...starting a cascade of damage at the deepest biological/cellular level.
Due to the biodistribution properties of the (toxic & inflammatory) lipid nanoparticles, the encased (designed to be long-lasting) n1-methyl pseudouridine modified mRNA can go anywhere in the body, including crossing the blood-brain and placental barriers...The LNP "delivery vehicles" traveled to different parts of the body in different people.
Expressing any foreign protein is fatal to the cell doing the expressing. The reason is, our bodies are protected by being able to distinguish ourselves from things that shouldn't be there. Anything non-self will trigger immune destruction of the cells & tissues involved.
Some people will express lots of foreign proteins in vulnerable locations. Others express less in less vulnerable areas.
The location of expression defines the adverse event: if you get foreign protein expression in your heart cells, you could get myocarditis & experience cardiac arrest; if the expression is in your brain, spinal cord, or peripheral nervous system, you could get one or more of a variety of neurological conditions; if in your eye, possible blindness; if in your ovaries, possible infertility; if in the placenta, possible miscarriage, stillbirth, or birth defects; if in the endothelial cells that line your blood vessels, possible vascular &/or microvascular injuries like clots/microclots or the long white fibrous clots, leading to strokes, heart attacks, or pulmonary embolisms…
If the expression of foreign proteins is in your own immune cells, you could experience immune dysfunction, dysregulation, & suppression including repeated infections, immune tolerance of a pathogenic foreign protein due to antibody subclass switch to IgG4 & increased IgG4-related diseases, T cell exhaustion, interference with & suppression of innate immunity, persistent systemic inflammation, dysregulation of toll-like receptors and reduced cancer surveillance or the suppression of tumor-suppressing immune system activities & cell-signaling (increasing your risk of fast-growing and aggressive cancers)…
And more…
Pathology reports, including from autopsies, have revealed & confirmed the Killer T Lymphocyte infiltration & destruction of cells, oftentimes in vital organs.
There's no limit to the horrible consequences of injecting into your body something that triggers your own immune system to attack & kill your own formerly healthy cells & tissues.
The public “health” agencies, the COVID “authorities”, & the “mainstream” media fraudulently marketed these experimental mRNA gene “therapy” transfection products as “safe & effective vaccines”. Trusting people thought that they were being presented with the choice (or the mandate) as to whether or not to take a “safe & effective vaccine”…But that was/is a deceptively false “choice”…
The COVID-19 mRNA shots are NOT safe, they are NOT effective, and they are NOT vaccines.
These modified mRNA-LNP gene “therapy” transfection injections never would have passed proper safety studies required for gene therapy products. Safety studies (including biodistribution, immunogenicity, immunotoxicity, genotoxicity, carcinogenicity, reproductive toxicity, shedding, long-term effects, & more) that were bypassed because of the fraudulent mislabeling as “vaccines”. (And because of the EUA & “countermeasure” designations under the Project BioShield Act & PREP Act in the United States).
The danger is NOT limited to just getting more COVID “boosters”. ANY mRNA (or DNA) gene “therapy” product that transfects your cells and instructs those cells to produce foreign non-self proteins (ANY non-self protein) will trigger an immune system attack response against your own cells & tissues (the role of the Killer T-cells is to monitor ALL the cells of the body, ready to destroy/kill any that express foreign, non-self proteins). This makes EVERY mRNA-based (or DNA-based) transfection product harmful by design.
This entirely predictable immune response to one's own cells being instructed to create and express non-self proteins (ANY non-self protein) triggers autoimmune responses, and then T-cell exhaustion and immune system dysfunction...regardless of whether or not the foreign protein is toxic itself.
Self vs. Non-self...Basic fundamental Immunology 101...
https://entwine.substack.com/p/the-platform-is-deadly
https://robertchandler.substack.com/p/vaccinated-dead-kruger-lang-morz
https://x.com/newstart_2024/status/1981375686251069797
"While the pharmaceutical industry rushes to expand mRNA use for its speed and profit, a fundamental immunological principle is being overlooked: Any cell that produces a foreign protein is marked for destruction by the immune system.
This isn't theoretical. Clear histopathological evidence from biopsies and autopsies confirms the vaccine's genetic material does not stay at the injection site. It enters systemic circulation and spreads uncontrollably throughout the body, including to vital organs like the brain and heart.
Once there, the body's own cells are forced to produce the foreign antigen, triggering an immune attack on its own tissues."
The undermining of this basic foundational principle of human immunity made the IMMUNOLOGICAL CATASTROPHE of the modified mRNA-LNP gene "therapy" transfection injections entirely predictable...(and I am not a doctor nor am I in the medical field).
And they can shed on others, making them dangerous and injurious for those who said "Hell NO!" as well...
These transfection injection bioweapons NEVER should have been injected into a single human being...
It is not enough for there to be no mandates...
Tragically, because more people do not understand that this is not about "choice", this is not about the ability to tell others what to do or not...
Because more people are not standing up and demanding that these "traditional" modified mRNA-LNP transfection injections be pulled from the market, the next "evolution" is moving forward (the self amplifying mRNA transfection technology platform)...
https://www.drtrozzi.news/p/world-council-for-health-the-dangers
Vioxx, 1976 Swine flu shot, Thalidomide, DES, DDT, etc...etc...ALL removed from the market after having previously been approved for use in the USA, or Europe, or wherever...yet now some people are acting like removing a product from the market is unprecedented...
Dangerous, injurious, deadly products must be pulled from the market!!! You do NOT give uninformed or misinformed people the "choice" to use such products.
Especially when their uninformed "consent" leads to them taking a product that sheds and poses a legitimate danger to the health of those being shed on.
Shedding from these transfection injection bioweapons IS an extremely serious concern, with some people being affected more than others...
https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/what-weve-learned-from-a-year-of
https://pierrekorymedicalmusings.com/p/shedding-of-covid-mrna-vaccine-components
(This is part 1 of a 9 part series - other parts linked at the end of the part 1 article)...
AND...if all of this is not already horrific enough, there are legitimate concerns that the blood supply is contaminated:
https://x.com/Safe_Blood3/status/1942237297035899370
https://vesavanhatupa.substack.com/p/a-call-to-action-lets-end-the-silence
https://laurakasner.substack.com/p/the-devil-was-hard-at-work-trying
https://laurakasner.substack.com/p/results-of-the-2024-worldwide-embalmer
NO ONE should have ever had the “choice” of taking these gene “therapy” transfection injections because the modified mRNA-LNP genetic transfection technology platform is fundamentally flawed & dangerous by design.
NotSafeAndNotEffective.com
I cannot say it enough: It is NOT enough for there to be no mandates.
I will say again: These transfection injection bioweapons NEVER should have been injected into a single human being.
Atrocities have been committed...these were/are crimes against humanity.
Thanks Kelly - great summary, thanks for posting 👍
You're welcome, Graphite!
I only watched video 1 , but can’t keep my mouth shut . I was a laborist/ hospitalist in Detroit during this entire time. Craig gave in to fear porn respectfully. My ER gave too much IV fluids , they drowned and got ventilated and died . Then the jab came out …. The real maiming and death started from those jabs that people took because they were scared out of their minds . Look at the time line . Babies , pregnant women, healthy jocks ect… died suddenly… ( Tom and Laura Thank u for your work 🙏) . Sorry Craig , 2 separate phenomena… Covid ( if real ) nailed those who had comorbities and iatrogenic means due to over zealous healthcare providers. The maiming and killing is still happening due to those death darts . Wake up healthcare providers, do a deep dive into your immunology and cellular transport mechanisms. Thank u truth warriors and Jenna for not stopping… fight on .
Bro - the stories you can tell Craig about what you've seen as an OB/GYN these past almost five years. You could give him a real education!
This might be the first sane conversation between the two camps. Thanks for holding the line for our side. This is how we win. ❤️
🤜🏻🤛🏻
He said they were trying everything- no, they were not. They were not trying ivermectin or hydrochloride- they were banning them! He is willfully blind. Great interview-
Nor were they trying Vitamin C or Vitamin D even though there was plenty of data (and a few unpublicized studies) showing fantastic effectiveness against Covid.
Or budeniside. Or hydroxychloroquin. Or combined therapies. (See Dr. Zelenko.)
God forbid anyone catch on to SAFE AND EFFECTIVE EXISTING THERAPIES.
Otherwise why would anyone require the world wide roll-out of "The Magical Vax".
Bill Gate$ et al laughing. All the way...
Authorized For "Emergency Use" only.
Ignore the safe & effective therapies.
Ignore the data. The deaths & PERMANENT disabilities following that rollout.
Billions of dollars at stake.
Shhh. Dr. Spencer's such a nice pleasant young man. Don't make him LOOK at THE INSURANCE DATA that Edward Dowd has gone on record with.
Just as long as Dr. Spencer, his wife and beloved kids are not suffering from all the jabs they've been subjected to over the years.
Ostrich People unite!!
I often wonder if doctors get different products than the common folk?
That's certainly an interesting point to ponder, but from what I've read it's far more common that doctors (MDs) do NOT practice what they preach. They know chemotherapy is toxic and would never give it to their own family (while they get rich selling it to the public). It certainly sounds like many don't vaccinate their own children.
They do have a tough job though. They aren't educated in health, yet they have uneducated patients walking in the door wanting a miracle pill to cure whatever their current symptom is. If the public demands it, you can be sure someone will supply it. So the key for them is to create the demand (aka terrify everyone with a scary pandemic where they renamed the flu "SARS-CoV2", cranked up PCR cycles to the point where darn near everyone would test positive for "Covid", tyrannized life so badly that people would do anything to get their normal life back.)
Yep!
"Ostrich People unite!!" - I love it! 😇 Yes please, pull your heads out of the sand and start taking responsibility for your own health!
Right! I commented on that,too. “We tried everything. We turned them over,we turned the on their sides “…GOOD GRIEF. I suppose he is used to people not really questioning his words…🤷🏻♀️ He didn’t even react when Jenna mentioned that an entire country stopped Cvd using ivermectin. You would think he would at least say “really? What country? Could you send me that information?” Crickets.
"He didn’t even react when Jenna mentioned that an entire country stopped Cvd using ivermectin. You would think he would at least say “really? What country? Could you send me that information?” Crickets"
How INCURIOUS is Dr. Spencer? THAT incurious!!
Jenna, you really need to sharpen your interview game. I know that you enjoy how much folks enjoy your humor however:
You had ONE JOB.
I haven't watched Part 2 yet. Too many Substacks & podcasts. Too little time.
Thanks for your comment. Heading over to 2 now. (Already annoyed...)
Well,it WAS a start. Was it as satisfying as I hoped. No. However,it was very important to tread lightly in this first encounter to encourage further dialogue….imho.
But,my gut tells me Dr. Craig will not participate in a 3rd interview…I would be pleasantly surprised,and,I’m sure Jenna learned from this interview which did take a lot of cahones to do. Plus,I’m sure, a restless night for her…
Just diving in. I just want to say, as far as being on a watchlist - all of us already are! 🤣
Jenna, thank you for featuring Laura's and my work on the "white fibrous clots" in your discussion with Craig. I think that Craig was disingenuous in his response when you asked him to explain this new type of clot. He conflated the clots with another Covid jab side effect, myocarditis, then incorrectly tried to infer that it's more likely to get these clots and myocarditis from the Covid virus than from the Covid jabs. Thus, Craig tries to justify young people getting the jabs.
But Craig's statements are FALSE. It is actually much more likely to get myocarditis from the jab than from the infection according to the Thailand study of 301 high schools kids, the Basel Switzerland study of over 700 healthcare workers, and from personal observation by cardiologist Dr. Peter McCullough. Dr. McCullough only saw a few cases of myocarditis in his practice in 2020 when just the virus was present. But then his number of cases of patients with myocarditis and pericarditis exploded in 2021 AFTER the jabs rolled out.
Similarly, in my "2024 People's Blood Clot Survey" where over 1,400 patients responded about their own blood clotting issues over the past 5 years, only 79 of the people responding said that the blood clotting issue was in the year 2020. Conversely, over 500 people said that their blood clotting occurred in each year 2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024 AFTER the jab rollout.
-Tom Haviland
Thanks for watching and weighing in, Tom! I suspected his statements were false but didn't have any of those stats or studies committed to memory, unfortunately. Great fodder for the follow-up! :)
Thanks Tom, for weighing in.
I almost x'd out when he made that erroneous statement as well.
Is he just another ill-informed overworked but well compensated member of the Ostrich People Society?
Or is this another "limited hang-out" situation?
Can't tell until I watch part 2 but I know for sure that the curl dangling in the middle of his forehead is probably gonna distract me again... 😉
Here I go though.
“It is actually much more likely to get myocarditis from the jab than from the injection…”
This is confusing to me. Is it a typo?
TeacherLori, thank you for catching my error. I meant to say "infection," not "injection." I have corrected my post. Thank you. -Tom
I just watched both and I really enjoyed this conversation - thanks for hosting & KUDOS to Dr Spencer for being so, well, human! I commented on your last post about him that I hoped he'd read your article and write some BS response - I never would have guessed he'd be so gracious and good-humored.
Two things that stuck with me - I wonder (and am very much assuming NO) if he's heard of/read Alex Berenson's book Pandemia, where Alex talks about the "Happy Vaccine Valley" that existed immediately after the vaccines, before that all wore off and opened the door to more issues - Dr Spencer described SEEING it, and how that of course led to "vaccines saved us in the long run." I'd LOVE for him to talk to Alex about that whole time period. I'm sure it was a horror show on the ground but would be interesting to see if he could take in what Alex has to say about it. And I appreciated your bringing up what he described as "culling the herd," because that's absolutely valid.
I also found myself wondering about what he said about it's shown that covid itself causes more myocarditis than the vaccines - wait, what? His analogy with the banana disease - where is he getting those figures? Were massive numbers of unvaccinated folks who got covid coming down with myocarditis? What's the control group that's giving him that info?
EDITING TO ADD one more thought: I thought that, re the clots, Dr Spencer saying he personally hadn't seen them, was maybe not the most compelling reason not to be more worried about them. Jenna I thought you made a great point about him in the ER not knowing whether a heart attack was caused by one of those danger noodles (I know that's slang for snake - but it's what seems to fit here too) - so of course he wouldn't see them - and that it's the EMBALMERS who are the ones who are figuring that out. I hope he thinks about that issue some more.
It was amazing to see a CIVIL and seemingly genuinely inquisitive conversation like this. Thanks again for doing this. I hope you do get to meet again.
There are easily a dozen books that it would be great to have "both sides" sit and go through point by point and present each side's take on all the ideas and information and "proof" provided.
In a conversation, it's easy to slip and slide all over the place. Books however provide us with concrete documentation that we can either support or critique.
that's a great point!
Thank you Jenna for your courageous zoom interview with this young man.
I think Dr Craig Spencer would make a good politician someday. His cordial, apologetic response is laced with inuendo that glosses over the target issue of corporate capture of science and the truth that vaccines and the paradigm of western medicine will never make humanity healthy
I'm trying to believe that Dr. Spencer is just a nice guy who doesn't think too deeply about these matters rather than thinking this scary thought which is that Satan's oldest trick is to get us to think he either doesn't exist or that he's just a nice guy who doesn't think too deeply about these matters.
Amen, Mary Ann
Well done, Jenna!
I definitely did not expect him to sound so friendly...but that doesn't change the fact that he is supporting the completely corrupt Big pHARMa industry.
Can you forward him this video? I wonder how he would possibly try to explain away basic immunological functions of the human immune system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDFUymH-9W8
Dr. John Campbell - mRNA "vaccine" harms predicted - 16 min
Here comes the pessimist. Doctors are now trained to talk to "vaccine hesitant" patients. The training is obviously to find the crack and to then use it to convince the patient to accept vaccines. Obviously the training includes being cordial and finding common ground, because being a jerk has been shown not to work. My concern here is that Craig is practicing these methods to understand "what they are up against" so that this training can be honed further.
That could very well be the case... but I feel like the more Craig talks to folks like me, the more he'll be FORCED to face/acknowledge. Awakening happens slowly for some folks, and what he's seen and been through will be hard to rewire... I still have faith. ;)
Jenna - I thought about Craig’s experience in working in NYC. Traumatizing I’m sure!
But he needs to consider the absolute psychological torture that people who know the truth have been subject to - in particular the embalmers!
They have been screaming into the void for going on 5 years now. What does that do to a person’s mental state. Nothing good I’m sure.
Here is what can happen to you if you speak out about the clots.
https://x.com/CorrosionCrawl1/status/1989368173981044958?t=cXW_fpzGc7lMu4pxL6z6WQ&s=19
Is it any wonder why our latest survey has less than 25 responses? Tom, Richard and I think it’s because if they speak out now, they will be demonized and be deemed complicit for not speaking out years ago.
You still have faith eh Jenna?
Me, not so much.
Not until the harms and crimes against humanity caused by governmental over-reaction & by the mRNA "vaccine" are ADMITTED to, and the victims who are INJURED are ACKNOWLEDGED, and the very same government which MANDATED that victims take these drugs makes every attempt to HELP RESTORE THEM TO GOOD HEALTH will I ever have any "faith".
Yes! Two years ago, a loved one who wanted to educate me on the benefits of vaccines recommended I read the American Academy of Pediatrics website (app.org), but I found it was full of propaganda on how pediatricians should talk to young parents who were vaccine hesitant.
I thought about that too... but no worries, we are strong enough to convince them we have an argument!
My naturopath said it well, vaccines are an unnecessary medical treatment. In the days when they were created historically, We might not have had effective alternatives. TODAY WE DO Can you say ivermectin and chlorine dioxide and hydrogen peroxide
All 3 of those are in a fairly large supply in my house, along with DMSO and MSM, and black seed oil.
I find the interviews hard to listen to sometimes Jenna, as so much has been done. So if this was addressed later on in the interview I apologize for not listening the whole way through yet...
Regarding the epicenter of New York, being in the thick of it... I can imagine his distress at the hopeless situation he faced.
Number one, does he think it odd that only a few centres were hit hard like this? New York and Bergamo are the two that come to mind.
Number two (and you probably addressed this) at what point did they abandon conventional treatments for pneumonia (which, if covid was a sudden virus, one would think many had developed pneumonia, so this would be treatment protocol, but I've heard in a number of areas this was not applied, maybe NY did try this but to no avail?)
Number three the DIFFERENCE in the experience to the rest of the world... Now the argument could be "viruses get weaker" as time goes on, that's how they survive... So the rest of the world got a weaker strain... The other side of the coin is this, and majorly this if a virus is so fatal people were just dropping dead left right and centre, well it's not a good virus, killing the host before widespread transmission is not a recipe for virus survival.
Also coronaviruses have a poor replication ability (even juiced up in a lab) therefore nasty coronaviruses burn hot, and then out... They don't travel to select spots on the planet so hot, they often remain local... Mainly why they argued in the past there's no cure for the common cold, the mutation rate is too quick, and then they burn out.
So this leads me to number four, and apologies this bit may be long...
The rest of the world (and within the US) it was generally like a flu season, even similar death rates... But not NY, not Bergamo, and a few other places... Old and young were going down...
Do you think the psyop played on us all, including doctors was they were dealing with a virus, when in fact in these selected hot spots, it wasn't a virus, but a mass poisoning? There's many similarities with poisoning, and this would explain people of all ages going down fast and being untreatable... Especially if you're trying to treat them for a respiratory virus, but in fact in this instance it actually was a poisoning?
I'm no expert, but If we take the supposed factors of "covid" or SARS CoV 2 (whatever the correct usage is) a lot of people had:
1./ the loss of taste and smell...
2./ Some supposedly went downhill very quickly, hypoxia within hours... Very unlike a respiratory virus
3./ Apparently a tell tale sign mentioned early in the "pandemic" there were "ground glass opacities" visible in lung x-rays.
This sounds very much unlike a virus, and more like a poisoning ...
Poisonings often give the above symptoms within hours.
Was there a transmissible poison?
One that diluted as it spread, then SARS CoV 2 became the narrative for many other viruses/sequences detected via PCR, but the poison was the initial scare, deliberately put in place in certain areas??
Was there a poison put in a public area?
Who knows?
Just a theory... I am likely wrong, it's just speculation. Here's a link to the "ground glass" opacities as found in early covid patients in NY and select locations...
Patients who went downhill fast (unlike most covid patients worldwide), was it carbon nanotube (or similar nanoparticle) inhalation causing lung scarring?
(the cases shown are from Sichuan patients)👇
https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/ryct.2020200028
☝️Compare that to carbon nanotube lung scarring 👇
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5097370/
Not saying this is what covid was, but just at a guess... Maybe this could be whatever covid may have been in NY and a few other locations where "Covid" differed greatly from the misdiagnosed colds/flu via PCR in the rest of the world...??
Can see single walled Carbon Nanotubes (which degrade into Graphene Oxide, hence the similarity to Graphene side effects) was known then to cause LUNG SCARRING in animals...
That paper above is 2016... So .... Was this what was (perhaps) released into for example ventilation systems in the subway in NY, and other select locations to give the impression of covid as a devastating fast acting virus (as a hypothetical)?...
Being NANOPARTICLES you wouldn't even SEE it as dust, could such a thing be transmitted person to person briefly via aerosol saliva?
A short lived pollution that infects others, but dies out via dilution through the population??
There's also this CDC bulletin about pollution/exposure of employees to nanoparticles conducted in 2009, including other nanoparticles such as cadmium and titanium)
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docs/2009-116/default.html
Just a thought, I'm sure there's a million other things it could have been, for a number of people to have unique symptoms as above.
Then of course the only solution was apparently a gene therapy?!
Why would you interfere with delicate cellular processes (any cell, randomly, anywhere in the body) in the first place? Just to drive an antibody response?? Crazy!!
Cellular death, dysfunction, death, tissue necrosis, autoimmunity, cancer...
That's the sort of risks you could draw on a whiteboard in the office when brainstorming this concept... So why go ahead with it? Just insane.
Why not a traditional vaccine? Seriously, as mRNA can only pollute your cells with unnatural conflicting information, not only hindering normal cellular function, but also guiding the body to attack itself and likely exhaust the immune system by the time it does actually encounter the virus.
The method of creating antibodies via foreign protein expression from your own cells is dangerous in the first place... Doesn't matter that you create antibodies, you've totally corrupted your body's building blocks to do so.
Congratulations if you actually get this far... The other problem is the antibodies created are effectively useless against a respiratory disease in the first place. You produce IgG antibodies (blood borne and bound) when you need IgA antibodies (produced in your airways when you have a respiratory disease)... IgA antibodies are what is required to fight the virus where it is (in your airways) and also give protection from reinfection... No your IgG antibodies do not cross over into your airways... So even the argument of antibodies falls flat, really. as per Professor Steele's statements - Australian Molecular and Cellular Immunologist, Geneticist & Microbiologist (hope this link still works)
https://rumble.comvn9tgl-aust.-prof.-edward-steele-immunologist-pharma-gov-lies-and-jabs-cant-work.-.html
Anyway some questions that you may have asked, sorry I haven't listened the whole way through.
I know no one who died of covid (not even friend of a friend) but I could write an essay on suspicious deaths immediately after a covid injection, and many more suspected injuries of the heart, and super quick acting and fatal cancers.
I love your writing style Jenna, and no you didn't sound feral at all in your podcast interview 😊
Steve—your idea of targeted poisoning makes sense. That is truly scary.
I also wonder about additional exposure in specific hot spots like NY. possible “extra” poisons in chemtrails combined with the “virus” spreading to make it appear more deadly. Call me crazy but something suspicious was going on.
Steve - praying Craig reads your most excellent comment. It makes so much more sense. I know others that believe this as well about NYC and Italy.