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🌱Nard🙏's avatar

I showed up for a kickboxing class once upon a time a long time ago and did not perform at my best. (I was in my 30s…mother of 2)

At the end of class, I confessed to my instructor:

Me: I had a bottle of red wine and a sleeve of Oreos for dinner last night.

Her: OMG me too!

Age has taught me to eat clean. Exercise regularly and moderately. Lay off the wine (super duper hard). Appreciate the little things. Pray. And just say no to the Oreos.

The struggle is real.

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

🤣🤣🤣

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Donna in MO's avatar

I went to Costco yesterday. Ate all the samples. And didn't buy any of them! Which means there may be hope for me yet.

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JudyC's avatar

We call that dinner on shopping day!

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Anna Lafferty's avatar

I was so excited to discover Gluten Free Joe-Joe's at Trader Joe's because I hadn't had an Oreo in years (or I should say the Hydrox version of an Oreo). I couldn't buy them a second time because I ate 2/3 of the box and put myself in a sugar coma. LOL

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llaw555's avatar

I can’t keep cookies in the house. Newman O’s were my Oreo.

When I was raising my kids, they used to say, “mom, you’re going to get a stomach ache, stop.”

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Meddling Kid's avatar

Just remember that Oreos may pair well with red (I suggest Sutter Home Sweet Red Blend for the budget conscious), but GS Thin Mints pair best with moscato. 👍🏻

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Donna O's avatar

Freeze them first!

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

Half-drunk with rock hard frozen thin mints? I see a chipped tooth in someone's future!

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

If I ate a sleeve of Oreos with a glass of wine I would feel extremely ill! But I'm 61. Funny how if you gradually work towards eating clean, you can't do that stuff any more because it's simply not worth it.

Oreos are so addictive. Like the Girl Scout thin mints.

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Juju's avatar

This! Ive been eating clean on a Keto diet for 3 years and 5 months now. I can taste a single grain of sugar in any bought food and it’s too sweet. And I hate the taste of foods I once loved. I never would have believed that would ever be possible. While living out of hotels this past week I caved and ate one slice of Texas toast with my patty melt, and drank a strawberry margarita. I literally was so sick the rest of the night from the sugar in the margarita. When I snuck a couple steak fries last night off my son’s plate, it didn’t make me ill but I could tell I was not burning ketones anymore. My gym workout was rough today. Lol Nothing tasted so awesome that I felt led to want more or missed it. I’m too happy with the energy and good feeling I get from a clean diet. I’m never going back.

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Margie G's avatar

This is SO TRUE! After eating clean for awhile, eating junk occasionally literally makes you feel awful...kind of like a junk-o-meter to warn you not to do it again.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

LMAO !

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Mystic William's avatar

No to the O!

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Robint777's avatar

The experts are baffled once again

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John Wright's avatar

The "experts" have always been baffled and will remain baffled as long as they biased due to who they are paid by and also follow human nature to simplify everything.

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Robint777's avatar

Often in life I have observed that people who complain about what others are doing, usually do those same things. example, My all knowing brother(everybody has one) always claimed that my sources of information during the pandemic were inaccurate. And yet, his experts were interestingly paid by pharma, Go figure. At least my sources were NOT baffled and I stayed healthy instead of vaxxed.

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Robint777's avatar

One thing for sure, The aliens in every sci Fi movie that claimed ,,, earthlings were not ready, Are correct Society as a whole is NOT ready, NOT for critical thinking, at least!

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

Yes, they are paid well to remain baffled.

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St. Alia the Knife's avatar

"I am shocked, SHOCKED, to find gambling going on in this establishment!"

"Your winnings, sir."

"Oh, thank you very much!"

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Howard Carter's avatar

"An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field." —Niels Bohr

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julie's avatar

Slim is in! I don’t think that the people who are baffled by this understand that being healthy for the most part and slim go hand in hand , not to mention you rarely rarely see a 90-year-old who is not slim. Remember to stay on the periphery of the grocery store as much as possible, and nothing tastes as good as thin feels.

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

They tried to make FAT be "in" but most people roll their eyes at it. Those billboards with morbidly obese women in undies are not attractive to anyone, I'm guessing. Fat does not denote health, and humans are naturally attracted to healthy.

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

🎯

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Laura kelly's avatar

90 years olds are slim because of wasting. It's protective to enter old age with a few extra pounds; skinny old people have higher mortality than plumper ones. Look it up!

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Donna O's avatar

Yes, I wanted to say this. Older folks (pointing to self) who are ten pounds overweight have a much better chance of surviving an illness than those who are ten pounds underweight. My husband is 80 and sustained a concussion with 4 brain bleeds on the 8th. He spent 2 1/2 weeks in ICU/hospital/rehab and lost over 20 pounds. I can’t imagine how weak he would be if he had not been about 10 pounds over the weight he wanted to be. As it is, he’s making a remarkable recovery thanks to good health, the Lord’s grace and many prayers.

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Laura kelly's avatar

My grandma suffered a perforated ulcer, spent weeks in a rehab facility and lost 60 pounds. Thank heavens she had it to lose!

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Good. I knew I was on the right track……

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Bgagnon's avatar

Good to know!!!’ Thanks! 😆

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Donna O's avatar

Have you tried Harry and David’s chocolate truffles?🤣🤣🤣

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MaryAnn's avatar

Dewey’s Thin Wafers in lemon flavor. Just 👌🏻👌🏻

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

You also stop. Now.

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Donna O's avatar

Yes!

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Stop. Now.

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Donna O's avatar

🤣🤣🤣

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Adrian's avatar

I recently read "Life in the Fasting Lane" and "The Obesity Code," and his hormonal theory of weight gain made a lot of sense to me in ways that the calories in / calories out theory never did. (I am not a doctor)

Nutshell version: Our modern foods and eating habits have thrown our insulin regulation totally out of whack which in turn causes us to gain weight and have trouble losing it.

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Romgrp's avatar

It is really about blood sugar.

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Dena's avatar

Bad for you food is deliberately addicting. Helps to make it a habit to read ingredients on the box before buying & realize the disgusting chemicals ( not food) going into our bodies. The supplement Berberine helps manage blood sugar metabolism , can help naturally lower cholesterol & with a side effect of weight loss.

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Donna O's avatar

I’ve been taking it for 2 years now. Still waiting for that side effect. I continue to gain a pound a year.

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

I have to agree. I weigh myself a few times a week, just out of curiosity to see what stuff "blows me up," because I naturally sort of eat around the same calories every day. If a pound is 3500 calories, how could I gain 1 lb in 1-2 days if I don't even come close to eating 3500 calories over the regular amount? This calorie thing has to be somewhat faulty.

I agree with your nutshell version: It's the insulin and even inflammation caused by crappy "food" or additives and other stuff that your body is working hard to detox from that adds stuff like water weight or inflammation. That being said, does inflammation make us weigh more? 🤔

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Adrian's avatar

He postulates that, back in the day, people ate 3 square meals and gave their bodies plenty of time to switch back and forth between energy storage mode (high insulin) and energy burning mode (low insulin); but that with our modern terrible ingredients and constant snacking, we end up producing insulin all day long and getting desensitized to insulin which forces our bodies to produce even more, and things going from bad to worse.

He does talk about inflammation some, but more as another symptom than as a driver of the problem.

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Donna O's avatar

We do need to remember that the “ideal” weight was much higher before Twiggy made her anorexic debut. I read that Marilyn Monroe wore a size 10. I used to laugh that the ideal weight chart for my height was 150 pounds. I’m 10 pounds less than that now and still feel like I need to lose at least 5 pounds.

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Shelley's avatar

A size 10 for Marilyn Monroe may have compared to our size 6. I know I am a size 6, but the last time I bought a couple of Calvin Klein dresses they were 2’s. Oh please, come on…I am not deceived!!

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Tara Townsend's avatar

Marilyn Monroe was 5’7 and between 115 and 120 lbs. Women’s sizes have continued to increase because women don’t buy clothes if the size makes them feel bad. A size 10 in the 1960’s was a 4 or a 6 by today’s standards.

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Donna O's avatar

She was 5’5”. I was 5’7”, weighed 115 lbs. in younger years and NEVER had a figure even close to her hourglass.

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

Interesting. I did recently see how much people used to eat (including me, because I am the tail end of the boomers) which was indeed 3 meals a day. I was never fat.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Lots of daily weight swings can be hydration. I weigh 170. Can go to 174 by the afternoon. Next morning, 170

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Potatodots's avatar

Part of the pound of weight gain (talking of fat rather than muscle, of course) is going to be water. So, figure that about 1/3 of that pound is the water with the calories.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Love your name. Lol!

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Potatodots's avatar

I really like yours!! Cool mental picture with it, too!

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Juju's avatar

The Obesity Code was one of the first books I read starting my new way of eating three years ago. Fantastic book. Then Metabolical by Dr Lustig. Really opens your eyes. I now see food as either sustenance/energy, or as poison. Most of what I ate the prior 40 years is literal poison to our bodies no matter how great it tastes. You can make rat poison taste heavenly and I’ll still not eat it.

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MartyB's avatar

Thank you for keeping up with The Studies so that I don’t have to.

Not that I would under any circumstances.

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Double Mc's avatar

I once heard or read that one soda per day equals fourteen pounds of weight in a year, and I was so sad that I didn't drink soda so I could give it up.

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

🤣

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Donna O's avatar

Used to drink one a day, but gave it up over a decade ago.

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Paving the Way's avatar

Restaurant culture is a big part of the problem. For us to get healthier a lot of these places need to go out of business. Also, the big box supermarkets like Cosco and Walmart. They push large quantities of cheaper foods. People like to get deals. Unfortunately it gives them more to eat. Food discipline is the key of course, but many people lack any discipline at all, and the pushers seduce them effectively. Non-participation is the key. An attitude of peaceful resistance is necessary.

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Monica's avatar

It’s seems so simple to intellectually make the decision to take care of yourself! People are too inflamed in their mind body spirit connection that they continue to feed that with more inflammatory choices. Get rid of inflammatory decisions and humanity can thrive!

Go Bobby

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Bgagnon's avatar

Yep and sometimes we just need to say NO and have a piece of celery instead! 🤔

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Juju's avatar

Or choose to fast. It’s has amazing healing benefits, recalibrates our cravings and tastebuds too.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

As long as do-gooders like you are around, we have nothing to fear. Close Costco, all restaurants, etc. that makes sense. Eat sticks and twigs. Discipline yourself! “ I can resist anything but temptation “ Most folks

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Paving the Way's avatar

I agree about self-discipline. I have it. I know good people that have it. Many do not have it and they need disciplined people to help them. I wish it were not true. The Puritans were correct.

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Daryce Morris's avatar

I just can’t with this shit

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

We have known calories in/calories out since the dawn of ever. Can you imagine funding a study like this and not even acknowledging that?

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KatWarrior's avatar

Yep 👍. We can examine this BS until the cows come home, and it still comes down to calories in/calories out. Let’s add this to the equation: garbage in/garbage out.

I have been (literally) persecuted my entire life for being “naturally” tall, lean, and thin 😳😵‍💫🙄

Okay, whatever! I am all those things. I admit it, but I have (for the most part) eaten healthy whole foods my entire life. I also have been an athlete (middle distance runner, swimmer) throughout my adolescent and adult years. Calories in/calories out. It works! No special genes or some such science-y garbage!

I don’t run middle distances any longer, but I walk 5-6 miles a day, seven days a week. I maintain a fairly large kitchen garden which is very labour intensive. And, as a side note, I don’t buy things like potato chips (🤯😵‍💫) which I adore! Anything salty is my downfall. If they are not in my pantry, I can’t indulge!

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

Calories, yes, but also QUALITY (i.e. garbage in garbage out). I once had a trainer ask me, "What do you build a brick house with? BRICKS. Not marshmallows." That stuck. ;)

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Juju's avatar

Salt is not the enemy to your body they led us all to believe. Too little of it is. Those potato chips aren’t unhealthy because of the salt, it’s because of the high empty carbs and seed oils. If I were already at my goal weight (20 more to go!) I’d eat Boulder potato chips. Three ingredients: potatoes, avocado oil, sea salt. That’s it. Delicious and crisp. It’s what my husband eats when he wants them.

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KatWarrior's avatar

Thanks, Juju! I eat plenty of Redmond salt! Salt is essential. Boulder chips it is, then!

I wonder if I can find them here in the Communist Republic of CA? I will check. Can’t wait to try them. ❤️

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🤣😆🤣 Communist Republic of CA. Dying laughing!!

And you CAN order them from Amazon but we know many things are more expensive that way. Pay close attention to bag oz.

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llaw555's avatar

Haha! I get it. I was persecuted for eating organically (no, it wasn’t common at that time) and selectively, which was a sure indication of an eating disorder! I’m not kidding!!

I’ve exercised my entire adult life, so I’m naturally on the lean / fit side as well. It always struck me as odd that eating healthfully would be something to be smirked at.

Now and then I go overboard with sugar but mostly “then.”

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llaw555's avatar

I wonder what they think about the way we process the 86,000 chemicals in our food supply and how that affects our “weight.”

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Claire L May's avatar

Jenna, with all the heavy amounts of free money that was floating around the last several Democrat administrations there needed to be places to put it. This is, once again, “the ol’ money in search of a problem study”. Remember the ground breaking study a few years ago where scientists (re)discovered that people who live closer to the equator have darker skin? Now we know why these ridiculous studies were being done. Thankyou DOGE!!

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Marjolein's avatar

It's just not as simple as calories in versus calories out.

Gary Taubes put it very nicely after his research: do you think kids start to grow because you start feeding them more or do they start to eat more because their bodies want to grow?

He also comes up with the example of what you'd do if you were expected to show up hungry at a dinner party: eat less and maybe exercise a little more to make sure you have an appetite.

And that's what we expect overweight people to do in order to lose the excess weight?

A similar thing to what happens with growing children is happening when people eat the wrong type of food.

And that's where our modern society comes in, with ultra processed addictive foods on top of plenty of other very unnatural life style patterns.

Same as with alcohol, some people can quit after say 2 drinks, others cannot. With food it's the same. Everyone has a different achilles heel so to say.

So much more complicated than just calories in versus out. Our bodies are not a mechanical system but a biological one.

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Juju's avatar

Type of calories matters. With the standard American diet and all its unhealthy lab created ingredients, it IS calories in calories out as well as a bit of your health is compromised very slowly. But higher quality calories can be handled at higher amounts without disrupting insulin sensitivity, etc. or being stored as fat. It’s all metabolism and insulin.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Yes, I can, in fact imagine this.

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Tim Connolly's avatar

Lord please save us from the experts. May you clamp your guiding hand right over their mouth

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Juju's avatar

Worthy of adding to my morning prayers

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

It’s the seed oils and the carbs.

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Mary H.'s avatar

It’s all the ingredients in “processed “ foods that sound like a foreign language. Read ingredients. If you don’t understand what’s in it, don’t purchase.

Simple Whole Foods .

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

If interested, check out “Swallow This: Serving Up the Food Industry’s Darkest Secrets ,” by Joanna Blythman. It’s worse than you think.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

It’s the double cheeseburger and milkshakes

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Timothy G McKenna's avatar

But, but, ummmm, Ozempic! Wegovy! We need pharmaceutical stuff to make us well!!!!

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

🤦‍♀️🤣

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

That is the ultimate goal.

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Andy's avatar

My metabolism slows way down when I reduce calories. Constipation, decrease in sexual performance, overall low-energy levels are all indicators that I’m not eating enough. Also, it’s nearly impossible to gain muscle while losing weight. I’ve finally come to accept that, while I do have a gym-bod, it’s concealed by ten or twenty pounds of fat!

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

You really CAN lose fat while gaining muscle--but your workouts have to be hard-core strength training (to fatigue, every time). And if you're simply in a caloric deficit but eating all crap, you are correct--it will negatively impact mood/sleep/sex/cognitive function. If you're eating tons of lean protein (I shoot for 1g per pound of body weight/day) and tons of real food/veggies, it'll happen! :)

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Andy's avatar

I train hard, don’t drink, eat at least a pound of quality beef every day, plus homemade fruit salad. Anytime I tweak my diet, my metabolism slows down. It’s okay, though! I’m comfortable with my body!

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Timothy G McKenna's avatar

I do have these magic beans that, when roasted, ground, and brewed, make a tasty appetite suppressant and metabolism stimulant that will solve that for you.

If interested, send $5,000 and a 1 lb. capacity resealable paper bag and I’ll fill the bag and send it to you via return post! 🤣

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

😂😂😂😂

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Juju's avatar

Lmaoooo 🤣🤣👍👍 facts

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

You probably just need to switch out the kind of calories you're ingesting and everyone is a bit different. I find less carbs = more energy. More protein = more lean muscle and weight drops off (also, you're not hungry). Look into high-end protein powders like Vega as a meal replacement. Really high in protein but low in calories.

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Andy's avatar

I’ve been down the rabbit hole for thirty years. I’ve heard and read it all.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Likely story… my muscles are cleverly hidden away under a fat layer, also.

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Abuelo Doug's avatar

I have noticed that the fear of fat-shaming others has worked its way into the health care system. Medical folks are now referring to overweight folks as "well-nourished".

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

Welcome to woke medicine: it’s not only OK but encouraged to flat out lie to your patients rather than hurt their little feelings.🤦‍♀️

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MaryAnn's avatar

I had a PCP who was morbidly obese. He NEVER said one word to anyone about being overweight. “Physician, heal thyself.”

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Bgagnon's avatar

My best friend used to work for a cardiologist who was grossly overweight and smoked 2 pack a day! Go figure - not the doc but the patients who kept going to him!!!

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

Add that to the late George Carlin's brilliant euphemisms list. 😂

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Warrior Mom's avatar

'well nourished' is practically Orwellian. obesity is the opposite! the body is not getting enough proper nutrients and then giving the signal to eat more and more. if one is not eating the right food, you are UNDER nourished.

surprised they have not changed the criteria of the BMI

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Partial thanks to Carter administration “ Government cheese program”

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mike Myhre's avatar

I think there is more too it in regards to food types. They claim they are highly 'palatable' and I would claim that artificial sugars compound the fat accumulation for the same amount of intake. Foods like Oreos also carry an addictive trait that makes it hard to stop. This is not just taste. They do taste good, but there is a deeper craving than the flavor. It is a craving that goes away after a week or so of eating healthy.

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ASK's avatar

Am I the only one who thinks Oreos are disgusting? Twinkies were always gross too. They taste fake, inside out. And the cream filling is sugary fake fat.

So many foods these days are so adulterated they just don’t taste good and are unpalatable. Don’t get me wrong, there are still plenty of foods to keep us all fat.

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

I think they are gross now but it took being away from them for a couple of decades. Cool whip is another one that's super gross but I loved as a kid. Synthetic, chemical, yuckers.

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ASK's avatar

Cool whip was another thing I always steered clear of as a kid. Just gross. Is it really too difficult to whip a little cream? Even the whip cream bottles were better, although probably not much better for you.

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

Right? Well, I've just had it explained to me that Cool Whip was a Chicago south-sider thing (along with Miracle Whip). My mom was from there.

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ASK's avatar

No, we had relatives in Peoria that used cool whip. Don’t even get me started on “miracle whip”. So disgusting.

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

😂😂😂😂

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Warrior Mom's avatar

I know that the filling used to be made from lard, back in the day. god only knows what is in there now.

but yeah, agree. they are gross no matter what. If I want a cookie, it will be one that I made myself - at least I know what's in it. ;)

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Caroline's avatar

I agree with most of what you have said here, apart from, “It is a craving that goes away after a week or so of eating healthy.” No, it’s not. It never goes away. Every time I go in the grocery store, I struggle to resist the siren song of the cookie aisle, even though not one Oreo crumb has passed my lips in years. And if by some circumstance a packet of Oreos was to materialize in this house right now, I guarantee it would be gone by this evening.

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Jenna McCarthy's avatar

There are studies to show that 1) sugar is just as addictive (and affects the brain the same way) as cocaine, and 2) you CAN unlearn a taste for sugar after a few weeks BUT it has to be a hard reset/cold turkey. That means ZERO sugar including artificial sweeteners (your brain doesn't know the difference), minimal refined starches, and limited or no fruit. After a few weeks, you can reintroduce the fruits and natural sweeteners and enjoy occasional treats (but for some people even a single diet coke will trigger sweet cravings, so you have to be careful)... although you may not even want to. ;)

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Romgrp's avatar

It can be done. Kicking the sugar habit, that is.

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

I just got this tincture from Apothekary that is supposed to help with sugar cravings. I am not overweight but it would be interesting to experience myself completely off sugar... I have a tendency to eat too many of those Trader Joe's mini-dark chocolate peanut butter cups.

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Juju's avatar

This is what I did! Worked like a charm. I’m in control now

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mike Myhre's avatar

Exactly what I have noticed. Once you are completely off sugars you really don't crave them like before.

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

Sugar is sooooo addictive. It reminds me of cigarettes. For some of us, if we starve ourselves of it, we don't crave it; for others (like my friend Denise) even though she quit smoking 30 years ago, she says she would still light up if it were healthy, whereas I (also ex-smoker of 25 years) find cigarettes disgusting. 🤷‍♀️

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Juju's avatar

They actually spend millions of dollars on their food scientists creating just the right combo that delivers the addiction they are looking for to get repeat sales. Remember, they used to be the tobacco giants and they bought the food industry. They know how to science the sh*t out of the addictive elements.

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

Hmmm, let’s see: a stack of cookies, or this bowl of Brussels sprouts? Hard to choose…..

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mike Myhre's avatar

I with you on the brussels sprouts. But consider a stack of cookies or a handful of cashews, macadamia nuts and dark chocolate.

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AJoy's avatar

We are living in a 🤡 world and so you should make fun. When the obvious isn’t obvious, like in the past 5+ years, you start to lose faith in the medical system, humanity, religious figures, politicians etc etc. I can’t roll my eyes hard enough :/

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The Real Mary Rose's avatar

Laughing at it is the best medicine.

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Juju's avatar

If only we could lose 1 lb for every 15 minutes of laughter. 😂

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Jodi Chambers's avatar

Similar to a study in the 70’s when a “new ice age” was anticipated with decreasing temps in the northern hemisphere: the study concluded that as colder temps move south, so would most of the population. Mind blowing!

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Glitterpuppy's avatar

It’s true. That must be the reason we have been invaded by Yankees. I thought it was cooling off here in the South. Now I know. If things change and it warms up here, will they move back North?

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Jodi Chambers's avatar

Eternal optimism defined.

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