Israel has over 200 nukes and feels threatened by a country developing nuclear developing nuclear energy ( not weapons) . They play the victim card whilst destroying Gaza and Yemen . Their 9:11 attacks on America started their domination of the African continent using the USA to fight and sacrifice their youth for their agenda
Lets keep in mind that the country you refer to states clearly that they want to kill all Israelis and destroy the US and its western allies. What makes you believe they are developing the uranium for energy and not weapons?
You're taking propaganda as reality... the entire "death to all Israelis" thing coming from that government is a single statement entirely contorted to serve the "anti-semetic" narrative ad nauseum, which Israel uses toward any and all criticism whether coming from an adversary or not. Iran is certainly a funder of terror cells (like the U.S., U.K., Israel, etc....), they're not gonna be our friends/partners/allies, but they cannot destroy us and they won't even try. This whole thing is a ridiculous PR stunt and Iran was warned ahead of time... they cleared these sites, and as Medvedev has already said now there are a handful of countries that can willingly offer Iran nuclear warheads and supply them. Nothing accomplished but heightened danger for escalation.
There is no commercial reason to enrich uranium above 5%. For power plant needs, it is usually no higher than 3.5% . The ONLY thing to do with enrichment higher is weapons.
Fordow is Iran's main enrichment location for enriching uranium to 60%.
"In early 2023, the IAEA said it had found uranium particles at Fordo enriched to almost 84% purity, which is incredibly close to the 90% purity uranium that would be required for a nuclear weapon." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-iran-war-fordo-nuclear-site/
It was a PR stunt because it does nothing to prevent them from continuing to do this if they choose or to accept nukes from another country. The bombing may have slowed the process- that is all. This is about regime change and if you believe the Trump admin's claim of "stopping the bomb" you've been sucked in. It's the onset of what is going to be a protracted war, the exact kind Trump claimed to be against and promised not to start.
The sheer number of people spouting regurgitated propaganda without a moment of critical thinking is disheartening.
“Death to America,”
“They mistreat women”
“They have sworn to defeat Israel”
The west has been fkg w Iran for decades, even overthrowing their government. No wonder they act as they do. I for sure would have a nuclear weapon. Nobody messes with NK much these days, do they?
And without verification it's called propaganda. Are you really unfamiliar with the fact that corporate media IS propaganda? I suppose this clock has been there for 30 or 40 years and yet they still don't have any nuclear weapons? I guess it's a clock of wishful thinking.
Oh, didn't the North Korean's say that also, so when do we go after them? Especially since they DO have the capability to nuke the US. I could go along with premise IF after Trump would have said the truth, IF the Epstein, JFK, 9/11, the Liberty files were out there in tho open showing Israel's involvement in them. Remember his speeches..not only no more wars BUT close the bases and bring our people home. For him Trump to denounce his head of intelligence, who he picked and pushed for, as he did after her truthful testimony in front of the committee, was shameful to say the least. The US and the CIA caused this chaos in the middle east. They disposed 2 regime and installed the mullahs to keep Iran in the middle ages. This same lying agency who said Sadam had weapons of mass destruction is the same lying agency saying that NOW Iran is close to nuclear capability. Bebe has been trying to frighten the world for over 20yrs with this story. So if they are trying to get there, they are sure damn slow to get there and they better hang it up. I don't want to be part of the Rothschild empire that Israel is trying to build. Nor do I want to finance it. I am not pro any country other than ours. I am not anti any country but we need to keep our nose home, clean up our issues, take care of our citizens and stop meddling. GOD, the one and only, is who I worship. HE is a God of order. On the other satan and his people are gods of chaos. Trump should have listened to GOD not the fake jews of Israel.
We are lucky the nuclear missile fired at Hawaii from an Israeli submarine to blame the North Koreans was intercepted on time . We were lucky the plane full of illegally armed nukes was stopped from flying across America during the Cheney/Bush administration . Broken Arrow events are more common than you could imagine . Some intelligence agents say Israel has between 200-400 nukes now.
Regular weapons inspections showed the Irans were keeping their word . Don’t forget the WMD fiasco in Iraq . They were lies to create fear and manipulation
Anyone who thinks Iran is developing nuclear capability to power their country not blow us off the face of the earth, a country that glorifies self immolation for “ the cause” , is beyond the capacity for rational thought. Self preservation should bring some wisdom.
Israel has had nukes for decades, but they've never used them. The question is Why not?
One suspects Israel's leaders know that if they do use them, the little nation of Israel would no longer exist 24 hours after they used them. (Pakistan has nukes too).
I say the same type thinking would apply to Iran's leaders. Yes, they could nuke Israel or maybe even one of America's hundreds of military bases in the region, but what happens to Iran after they do this?
America has thousands of nukes. If Iran fired off one or two of its crude bombs, this nation of 90 million people (half the size of America) would be uninhabitable for generations. The "logic" is Iranians wouldn't mind this ... as long as they dropped one or two nukes on "Great Satan," they could all go to their maker very happy.
Apparently, the entire nation of Iran (and all of its leaders) are made up of people like the followers of Jim Jones.
Yeah, cuz it wouldn’t be so smart to blow up the bombs once they were— bombs. Much better to blow the joint up BEFORE there are bombs to destroy us all.
A country that chants in the streets about wiping their “enemies” from the face of the earth is perhaps not mentally stable enough to have that sort of power.
Iran skulks around the world getting other crazies to do their dirty work then saying “we didn’t do nothin’ like a six year old with one hand in the cookie jar. Wake up man, hating the Jews is not going to save you from the Iranians.
Daily! Minute by minute. And every lie they tell feeds the fire of those ao trigger happy and ready to believe it all. I personally think every lie they tell greases their slide into oblivion.
I am forced to listen to liberal
news every day bc hubs is into it and the TV is HUGE, and very centrally located. I mostly read conservative news but I have learned to listen TO the actual person whenever possible rather than listening to someone’s take on what that person said. The difference is night and day. NO one has made that more clear
to me than RFK and DJT. I’ve seen it over and over, the commentators say one thing, but if I go back and listen to what they’re commenting on, the the actual speech, it’s always, always totally different.
Laura, how did "American military intel knew Iran had no nuclear weapon capability before this attack." become "hating the Jews?" I followed you right up to that last sentence.
Because calling the Jews out as being the real problem in the region smacks of Jew hatred.
Yes, Israel has nuclear weapons, but it’s not going about threatening to blow any one country off the planet. They want to be left in peace to live their own lives in their own way, but are constantly being threatened. I guess many think they should just pray and let the haters around them have their way with them, but it’s not the path they’ve chosen. They’ve bent over backwards to include and accommodate other people and religions into their society— have their neighbors done the same? The Jews/Zionism is not the problem in the region and any clear eyed non- hating analysis would conclude the same.
Your take on Israel not being the agitator rings false. Laura. Just take a look at the ruins they made of Gaza. Everyone knows about the 6 hour stand down order the IDF was given on Oct 7; just another Israeli orchestrated false-flag. And Syria? What was the reason for them being aggressive there? The incidents are simply too many to count, and the justifications so clearly paper thin. Bibi is the problem; why not take care of him?
David, read on more of Burgoyne’s comment. He does hate the Jews and blames them for everything happening now and everything they’ve endured in their past. Accusing them of using the blood of children to make Passover bread…
I usually try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but I draw a line at unbridled hatred for any one group of people. I might think Iran’s government hateful and misdirected and crazy, but I don’t attribute that to every Iranian ever born. They’ve had one of the most advanced cultures in the world in past times and should have the freedom, if they want it, to become great again.
I was looking at the same comments you were in real time, and unless you've known him from somewhere else, you had to know the future to know he was going to go "bloody Passover bread." Certainly I never saw that coming in what I'd read up to that point. It resembles in microcosm the Iran debate; you "knew" he was going to say that so you jumped in. The rest of us didn't know it, and question how you could possibly have known it.
One does not have to quote spurious documents that the Jews deny to critique them; there is plenty in their rabbinic literature and Talmud to question their motives vis-a-vis the non-Jew.
During the Oct 6th slaughter it was Israeli gunships that fired on the concert goers, Israeli tanks firing on the homes with hostages and the border posts were emptied and gates left open in preparation for for the Mossad controlled Hamas to walk in . In the film there is no IDF member to be seen . The who fiasco was set up to play the victim card in order to gain control of the oil and gas off Gaza . As the concert goers fled their cars were destroyed by the helicopters and many were burnt alive in them . The meaning of holocaust it a sacrificial burnt offering and the Israelis did this that day
My understanding, and this comes from the very liberal CNN and ABC, (unfortunately I am forced to “watch/hear” MSM, daily) is that they do have “yellow cake” enriched uranium and other major components to make nuclear weapons like the big boys.
A conservative guy whom I adore, and read daily, says Trump gave them time to move the integral stuff, and they have pics of previous days with trucks lined up like it’s moving day. He bolstered the idea pretty well that DJT purposely gave them that heads up in order to remove anything that might detonate and harm anyone.
This has been done previously by other presidents. It’s the kind of thing where Mom says she’s going to ground you for a month if your room isn’t clean when she gets up there, and she’s coming RIGHT NOW, but then she takes a few minutes to unload the dish washer, loudly, so you get on with that chore shes been asking you to do for days, finally realizing she means business.
And I’m sure Iran showed them everything they have/had as their leadership is known to be extremely open, rational, reasonable and is definitely compliant with international “norms”.😂🙄. The fact is, neither you, I or anyone else outside of a pretty small circle (relatively speaking) of people know what is really going on in the events that unfolded over the weekend.
Most of these uninformed ‘entities’ posting comments on here are unaware, apparently, if the history of Iran.
They were an up-and-coming peaceful nation before Russia decided to intervene, and managed to overthrow the Shah of Iran (Persia)…..because the mullahs wanted control.
Once the Ayatollah was in charge, it changed overnight. Women who refused to dress as garbage cans were beaten, raped, some blinded, many murdered. And ‘President’ Carter had a cozy very money-honeyship with the Islamic terrorists (whom Persians hate) ruling. The Persians have long wanted their freedoms back, but then the terrorist regime would send in their black-sandal thugs and beat, rape, kill a few of them to ‘put them in their place’.
These commenting on here are either uninformed or are operating under monikers to disguise the fact that they are, themselves, an Islamist or, at the very least, an Islamist sympathizer .
Peace ✌️ out! Peace through strength.
(We are also fighting a spiritual battle…..not against men, but against principalities, powers, rulers of darkness…..and Islam is one of darkness)
the entire nation doesn't have to agree. I'm sure they all don't agree that a teenager wears her burka incorrectly should be executed and yet it happens. The regime doesn't care what the people of Iran want. They impose their draconian ideas on the people without remorse.
It’s demonic…….and those spewing it have inherited it. They hide behind English-sounding names, but they are most likely Islamic……which is not a religion. It is a geo-political demonic entity hiding behind a wall of demons and pretending it is a religion.
There is a film of Netanyahu when he was previously PM , in it the elderly Zionists ask asking him to get WW3 going so they can see their Messiah return before they day . It reveals the level of insanity we are dealing with much the same as their Sampson Option they have threatened to use
There are crazies everywhere. We had slaves a couple
hundred years ago. We owned humans! We paid doctors to dump out all of our blood when we were ill. We have had terrible presidents and terrible
people in charge—all
around. We actually killed people to desegregate schools. We had (have?) the KKK. We took our sweet time to liberate jews (again, the very apple of God’s eye, according to His word!) from Auschwitz, Bergen Belsen the like. We abort millions of perfectly healthy babies a year and sell
off their body parts to the highest bidder. We had whatever debacle J6 was, and the
“mostly peaceful” burning of Seattle, Minnesota and just 2 weeks ago, of LA! People damaged Elon’s cars without a thought that insurance would just have to … (wait for it) buy another car, from ELON! 😝 If your point is that there are some old
men wanting to see their messiah (which we’ve already seen but is hopefully
returning very soon!) who cares!??! Every generation has had those people. Heck, I’d do a few out-of-bounds things if I thought for one second that I, personally, could push God into doing His thing early, too! That doesn’t make my entire race crazy. That makes ME
They bring about the hate on themselves , over the centuries they have been driven out of over 40 countries . Their killing of children for their blood and Passover bread and poisoning of wells has given them a bad reputation . Now they are recognised as attacking America on 9:11 , nuking Beruit a few years ago ,destroying Gaza and killing its innocent occupants who gave them sanctuary when no one wanted them
We are not drinking from the same wells of information.
Jews have fled from their own homeland to so many countries, beginning way back in King Nebuchadnezzar’s reign. They fled OVER the Caucasus Mountains and settled much of Europe and later Canada and the Americas (hence the name Caucasian). All of the sons of Zedikiah’s were killed in battle, along with most all the men in Israel. His daughters left with their old uncle, Joseph the Tin Man, who is well documented in Scotland and abroad. One of Zedikiah’s daughters, Scota, founded Scotland. Another, England amd I think a 3rd daughter helped found Ireland but Idk…
To this day, the coronation of kings and queens in Great Britain begins with a vow to protect Mother Israel. True story.
this is absurd. They have fled many countries over the centuries and returned to their homeland of over 3000 years. Archeologists have corroborated this.
We’ve done the same type of thing repeatedly. We killed innocents in Vietnam and certainly in Japan, etc. Israel and Gaza have been going at it for centuries. Do you know why that started and who is right and who is wrong? That whole fiasco started in bible times. God DID give them that land and later, when they were at war with (then) Persia, God told them they’d win and to take EVERY ONE of them out. They disobeyed, as we are all inclined to do, and this has been going on ever since. Do you claim to know all the facts and all the behind the scenes goings-on from bible times to now? So much so that you just KNOW for certain that Israel and DNT are the bad guys here?
the Persians rescued the jews centuries ago. Many Iranians are thankful that Israel and the USA have bombed these leaders and nuclear facilities in the past couple of weeks.
1000%. They play the victim and play the United States. Damnable. Literally. This is not "anti-Semitic" or even more narrowly "anti-Jewish", but it is--full-on--anti-Zionist.
I'll take a stab at a good question: Iran might have become a "nuclear power," but being a nuclear power does not mean your nation will use said Nukes. Countless countries have had nukes for decades since 1945 ... but, for some reason, no nation has used them.
The reason to have nukes actually makes sense: They are an insurance policy that no other nation will start a war with your nation or try to invade and occupy your nation (Regime Change, which is omnipresent in my lifetime).
I actually fully understand why Iran might want nukes. It's the same reason North Korea wanted them. Nobody's talking about invading North Korea these days (and North Korea hasn't nuked South Korea since they got their weapons).
... I just read a powerful meme. The author pointed out that America has bombed eight (!) Muslim nations in the last 15 years. The caption was: "These nations hate us for our freedoms."
Maybe they hate us because we keep bombing their cities and villages and killing children and innocent civilians?
Still, per the authorized narrative, Iran is the big bad military "bully" and America is a great champion of "peace" and "democracy." BTW, that narrative is crumbling.
One of the themes of my essays is that the world is now being led by "obtuse" leaders. (Covid proved this).
If we have so many obtuse leaders, one day one of these "leaders" IS going to use a nuclear weapon, which will be the stupidest move in modern history - far more dangerous than America using two of them to end a terrible war in 1945 - when America was the only nation with nuclear capability.
I'm pretty confident the leaders who say they are trying to prevent nuclear war will, one day, produce/start one.
Another prediction: This will happen when one leader concludes "we have no other choice. We have to use our nukes or our nation will be over-run or finished."
The more I think about it, it will probably be Israel (not Iran or North Korea) that makes this decision.
All this said, "How bout them Cowboys? We sure are getting a lot of rain in Troy, Alabama this June ... chemtrails?"
I think Iran would have become a nuclear power. Like North Korea. Like Israel (and one can hardly say, at this point, that Israel's actions are the result of a "stable regime." )
Here's the thing about starting "pre-taliatory" wars: a) you cannot KNOW what the other party WILL do BECAUSE the future is the future[1], b) you lose the moral high ground when you are ATTACKING and not responding to the attack[2], and c) you cannot predict WHERE your "limited war" will head[3].
"Bibi" called for it/Bibi called it: "We want it but we can't do it: only America can do it." I don't blame silly Trump. I blame Bibi for taking advantage of silly Trump.
[1] Accepting that launching strikes because of something a country MIGHT do opens the ENTIRE can of worms. "Oh, I see what you're about to do! BAM! BAM!"
[2] Everyone agrees that an ATTACK is proof-positive of AGGRESSION: it's Ukraine's principal excuse for being attached to the US teat.
[3] Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea. "Wars" America jumped into AFTER NOT being attacked. (Afghanistan-the-country did not attack; criminals therein did, but the USA has AMPLY demonstrated it can GET ANYONE ANYWHERE ANYTIME so "liberating" countries that DON'T WANT IT is ridiculous unnecessary.) With backs to the wall, it seems to me a very good possibility that Iran will throw everything it has at Israel and Its Bully Protector[4] before it too is incinerated.
[4] That's "bully" as in "bully pulpit," but I cannot argue that America is not seen as a playground bully "protecting" its provocateur/chicken-shit agents.
Q. Where and when did Israel "get nuclear weapons?"
A. Because of documented cases of SPYING on its supposed ally, one can reasonably guess--especially because of the ease with which that spying was accomplished--that America's technology ended up in the hands of Israel. (Jason Pollard passed over 800,000 documents.) But the AI thing says: "According to a 1987 MERIP report, Israel prioritized acquiring an operational intermediate-range nuclear missile (the Jericho missile) before 1973. This involved covert procurement of critical components such as aluminum extrusions (rocket shells), inertial guidance systems, and other technology from the United States and other sources, often circumventing export controls." Nuclear weapons aren't useful deterrents without delivery systems; they stole that (too).
I will never comprehend the American polity's fascination with "poor Israel."
Military strikes (wars) are often _started_ on assumptions. America COULD have attacked Japan STARTING WWII: the Japanese code had been broken. Still no one on this earth can explain the course the war with Japan _would have_ taken if America had struck first. However, it's reasonable to believe from what we learned about the Japanese mindset that they would not have abandoned their plans to rule Asia.
And say what one will about this regime as there is plenty to condemn and criticize, but they simply have not had program to develop nuclear weapons and they won't unless pushed in that direction, which this attack clearly leads toward. And Russia, N. Korea, Pakistan, China, can supply them with nuclear warheads if they cannot produce them and feel it's necessary for their sovereignty.
Nothing. If Trump would have said to Bebe "You started this. You are on your own. No weapons. No money. No Intel. I promised my voters No more wars. Closing bases and bringing our people home. America comes first. No longer is Israel placed above America. That's what he could have said and the bully, chaos causing Bebe would have stopped.
But Israel has demonstrated over and over again, it would not use those nuclear weapons on another country as they are aware it would bring out the end of humanity. Its a peace through strength mentality. Iran on the other hand would gladly use them on their perceived enemies, especially Israel and/or the USA.
Don’t forget the two Sadm,s planted in the WTC tower basements also to bring them down. They have their Sampson Option and threaten to use their nukes to take down the rest of the world should they look like being defeated
Anti semetic - it’s a trick - we always use it when Jews are criticised in America.If in Europe the Jews are criticised we bring up the holocaust. Quoted by an Israeli cabinet minister
Still it’s Israel that used the nukes on the twin towers and in Beriut . Its arsenal they threaten to use with their Sampson option an insane plan that if they are going down they will take the rest of the world down with them .
No need for 60% enriched uranium for anything other than nuclear weapons.
3% is sufficient for nuclear power plants.
Iran has been the leader in exporting terrorism for half a century.
Iran has threatened the destruction of the US, Israel and the extermination of all Jews.
The trope “from the river to the sea” is incomplete, the rest of the saying is the land will be free of all Jews.
Perhaps you don’t know what river and sea the antisemites are talking about?
The Jordan river to the Mediterranean Sea, which completely encompasses the free state of Israel.
Maybe the Israelis are not interested in using their nuclear weapons in a tit for tat of mutual destruction. Because unlike the Iranians and the Muslim worshippers of death and destruction, the Israeli people long ago chose life.
Perhaps you are an antisemite, if so you should admit that fact, instead of making excuses for the regime that has sworn to destroy America and Israel.
Truth is truth no matter how uncomfortable it makes you feel . I’m anti world Wars and history shows it’s Jewish Freemasons who start them and their banker friends profit by them . They feed off the death , destruction and misery the wars create . Some say they are worshipping Lucifer and by their actions they certainly seem to be . The Bible warns to beware of those pretending to be Jews who are not ! 1.8% of the world’s population are Jewish yet they control 90% of most things . Like with Epstein,s honey pot /blackmail operations they have dirt on most of the world’s politicians and MSM to ensure they can manipulate the globe for their nightmarish agenda of world communism
I love your perspective, Jenna. I do hope it’s accurate. So far Trump has kept his word on his stated intentions so i am taking that into consideration.
I don’t want to be naive but it’s quite possible his action was to avoid a greater conflict. I’m all for America staying out of the affairs of other countries but what if this was necessary?
I will add, globally the integrity of “government control “ is a big fail and that includes Israel. It amazes me that humanity hasn’t evolved beyond this.
Jenna, I agree with you, I think Trump picked the least worst of all possible options. FWIW I think he will be someday regarded as the most unique, influential, and, yes, courageous President since Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation and Reagan took on Russia in the cold war. Only someone who knows me well can appreciate how my feelings about Trump have evolved since he first won the presidency against all odds. I voted for him but only because the alternative, Hillary Clinton, was just too awful to even consider. I was impressed with his ability to accomplish unheard of things, e.g. the Abraham Accord, despite fighting relentless opposition and behind the scenes treachery. He is a truly a unique character who rode into town when he was most needed. God bless him. Rick
Hope you are right BUT when he gave our capabilities back to Ukraine, I changed my mind. People keep justifying what he does but after a time those excuses run out. You can have reasons of why things are done but be honest and transparent about them. Excuses are just that.
Sorry, what part of death to America do you not understand? This is the high road. Pray it works. Totally agree with the author, this was the best way to get them to stop preying on the rest of the world.
They were already enflamed, they were going to continue to strike whenever THEY felt like it. Yes,our CIA and idiotic government fomented this. Let’s try to end it, not continue wavering all around it. Let’s try something different! Coz’ the past 20 years sure didn’t.
Open your ears to hear and your eyes to see. IF you believe the death to America garbage then you better be leaving. How MANY of their people do you think are already here and could cause destruction? Attacking Iran will only inflame them. Do you not understand that EVERY country has sleeper cells in the US. Do you not understand that compliments of the US and CIA there has been mayhem committed thru out the world. When a regime didn't fit our likes, we caused conflicts in the country to oust that regime and put one we liked in its place. GOD told us how to heal our lands. We need to repent for ALL the many sins we have brought into this world. Not only our current sins but those of our ancestors also.
Teresa, you may be right that this is what the high road has become. However, in my childhood, pre-Korean "conflict", the high road was expressed this way: "America doesn't START wars; she FINISHES them."
This "net-saving-of-lives calculation" is a modern invention, and I'd like to see scientific proof of the assertion. In my opinion, "lives are always lost" no matter which course is taken.
So you think this is starting a war, not finishing one? And all the attacks by terrorists over the last thirty years are not war against us and the rest of the world? Have to disagree with this. Wars are no longer anywhere near as localized as Korea or Vietnam. Unfortunately it’s been brought everywhere by guerrilla terrorists tactics. I stand by my statement.
Yes. I very much think this is starting a war, not finishing one. I think attacking a state not proven beyond a doubt to be the source of terrorism is projection. When IRAN, per se, commits an act of war, punish it. Enriching uranium is not that. Other states do it.
Yes. America should wait "until" they kill more people, which is a strange way of viewing the world. Even people who are "sure" it will happen have to admit they cannot see the future. The "high road" is occupied by civilizations that say, "Talk all you want; weaponize all you want; posture all you want; spend your national treasure however you want--after all we are the peoples who preach 'freedoms'; however, if you lose patience and strike us, you will rue it."
We have become a people who "attack first," pre-emptively, "surgically," "whenever 'we' feel 'threatened.'" And "every" subterfuge/prevarication is excused if it permits "us" to obtain "the element of complete surprise."
Do you disagree that, to the world, America's guiding philosophy is "The end justifies the means."?
Only the dead have seen an end to war. The Mullahs have been attacking the US since 1979. We have been at war since 1979. The Mullahs have been offered a path to peace many times. They rejected every offer. They want a war of annihilation against us and others. If a Wolf Pack moved into the neighborhood and began killing our children and our neighbors we would appropriately hunt them to extinction. The Israelis were doing this for all of us. They needed a little help. We gave it to them, as we should.
As I understand history, The CIA and other intelligence agencies from the UK staged a coup to get rid of the democratically-elected Iranian leader and then installed the Shah who was later overthrown by "the Iranian people."
We're doing the same thing today, trying to install a relative of the earlier Shah.
Iran taking our hostages in 1979 is what's known as "blowback" for what our government did 20 years earlier. 9-11 was blowback. The TSA and bio-security complex is blowback. Covid - or the response to this non-deadly virus - is really blowback.
Ron Paul talks about this all the time: Blowback happens. It's inevitable.
Rampant inflation ... is blowback to the ever-growing MIC.
Jenna, I hope you're right about Trump's strategy. I honestly don't know who to believe anymore on the ME, Israel, and our relationship to them. I'll just keep praying, and you please just keep us chuckling.
Ugh... sorry Jenna, this is beyond Pollyanna thinking. Those are some crazy mental gymnastics to rationalize and support bombing and more war.
Destroying Iran has been in the works for a very long time. The US and Israeli governments lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, they lied about Syria, and they are lying about Iran. Iran does not have any nuclear weapons and any so-called evidence that they are producing nuclear weapons is absolutely made up.
Do you know who has nuclear weapons and isn't allowed to by international law? Israel. Do you know who continues to openly operate and brag about the open air apartheid military apartheid system known as Palestine? Israel.
World War III started when the global governments around the world decided to inject us all with poisons by lying to us all about a killer virus they called covid that was bank rolled by the military biopharmceutical industrial complex. These are the same people behind these bombings. Don't let them fool you.
Don't ever forget that war is a racket. It always has been and always will be. The banksters are the only ones who benefit from war and destabilization. Do not let them get away with it.
Vee, you know I love you, but your arguments lose all credibility (and I literally mean ALL) when you make statements like this: "Iran does not have any nuclear weapons and any so-called evidence that they are producing nuclear weapons is absolutely made up."
Per NPR, for God's sake: The International Atomic Energy Agency had assessed that Iran has more than 400 kilograms of 60% enriched uranium 235 — enough for around 10 bombs, according to independent experts. That 60% enriched uranium is carried in relatively small containers that could fit easily into cars, says Albright.
NPR?? You ARE joking aren't you? The agency that says Iran has that capability is the same lying agency that said Sadam had weapons of mass destruction and got us in that fiasco. As far as NPR, liars on top of liars. Did you not know that our head of intelligence that Trump put in place testified before a congressional committee and said her intelligence showed no nuclear problem. And Trump said she didn't know what she was talking about..I would have slapped him in the face if not kicked him in his balls. So she didn't follow the script evidently. Then was told what to say and recanted her testimony. If that is not telling, I don't know what is. Listen to Matt Gaetz on OAN. Now I thi k his name was pulled by Trump not because he wouldn't be confirmed but because he wouldn't go along with the plan. Now he is speaking out from what he knew as he was in congress and on these committees. He is telling what was presented. HMMM. Better watch his back. Just because people are willing to tell the truth and criticize an action doesn't make them anti American or anti anything. Stop closing your eyes to untruths and bad decisions. That is how we got here because Americans overlooked wrong but said and did nothing.
I love you too, Jenna. Having the ability to make nuclear weapons isn't the same as having them. How can a country have nuclear power without enriched uranium?
I get the WMD references/fears and OBVIOUSLY I'm with you about not trusting govt/media. We are ALL making our best guesses as to the whys here... but when you DEFINITIVELY INSIST that anything, on either side, is "absolutely made up," your whole argument dissolves. I am certainly open to the possibility that you are right; that Iran has NO nuclear capabilities and never will--but even if that were true, we are talking about a country whose motto is DEATH TO AMERICA. I don't think reminding them of what we are capable of is the worst idea in the world.
But are you really? It seems like these are rationalizations and excuses for bombing a country without definitive proof. Which government is more responsible for maiming and killing Americans? The US government or the Iranian government? Hell, even the Israeli government has killed more Americans than the Iranian government has.
I'd rather have a country screaming DEATH TO AMERICA while doing nothing than a country that screams SPREADING DEMOCRACY while bombing the living crap out of civilians and claims to be spreading freedom.
At this point in time, we should be assuming that everything that comes out of the government and mainstream media are completely made up. Not the opposite. There is no proof of nuclear weapons. The claim that there are has literally been going on for decades. Just like the climate change nonsense. Repeat a lie long enough and it comes true.
National Public Propaganda? Not my first choice of sources of information.
The idea of preventing Iran from enriching uranium is a bit like making guns illegal so that criminals won't have them.
Multiple sources show that Iran is not in the top fifteen nations for having uranium. Strict control of exports of uranium might be more effective in stifling Iran's nuclear ambitions.
We also need to set aside our fear of nuclear weapons. It's not as if the world lacks nasty ways of killing each other! Viruses... chemical weapons... cyber attacks or just plain simple terrorism with small bombs and such.
You are correct. Trump has stated many times he would not let Iran create nuclear weapons.
I see this move as an unarming of the enemy.
If some dudes approaching you with a gun and you're afraid for your childs, life the best possible outcome is that you unarm him before he can pull it out. He's not much of a threat without the gun.
As far as war being a racket. This may also be true. That said, it doesn't change the fact that Iran want you (yes YOU) and all your western world friends dead. They state that loudly and clearly. I dont think the answer is to sit on your hands and let him load his weapon.
Those things may be true as well. Fact remains that if you hate me and brag about wanting to kill me, when I see you loading a gun I'm going to take it from you.
Iran has nuclear bombs just like Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. The military capabilities of the Middle Eastern countries, with the exception of Israel, is not even comparable to what the western world possesses. Not even close.
Speaking for myself, when I write "don't trust the experts" or "the authorities," I actually mean what I write.
Don't trust them. They are PROVEN serial liars. This said, I acknowledge when I say don't trust the "Iran-is-going-to-nuke-us" narrative this opens me up to rejoinders that I"m okay with my kids and relatives being nuked by Iran one day.
That's what I was told when I said don't trust the experts on the lockdowns, masks and "safe and effective vaccines." It was easy to portray me as someone who was FOR "mass death."
One question I always ask is "who benefits?" Here, it's the Military Industrial Complex that benefits. (Israel thinks it benefits by getting military assistance from America, but let's see what happens to Israel in the next 30 to 60 days).
With Covid, it was the ever-growing State, the Censors and Big Pharma who benefitted.
Trump probably benefits from getting "atta-boys" from the neo-cons and the MIC. Or he thinks he benefits. Key question: Is anybody in MAGA now leaving MAGA? I'd say about 10 to 15 percent of the Ron Paul type crowd is now former MAGA, but I might be wrong.
If the neo-cons now "own" President Trump, does Pfizer and Big Vaccine also own him? That's the question that really interests me. I'm starting to think ... they probably do. The same shadow leaders who've long wanted regime change in Iran are the same people and organizations who want endless mRNA vaccines.
Trump has always been owned. The fact that he is portrayed as some type of "anti-establishment" figure is part of the script. Unfortunately, it worked very well to brainwash Americans to support more war, more government control, ans more consolidation of power by the ruling class.
For many of us who have been awake, the changing of colors in the executive branch has always been a show for the masses. This couldn't be more apparent with the technocratic institutions being merged into the government bureaucracy by way of Musk and Palantir.
So what about North Korea Joe and Jenna? They have threatened us many times. They do have the capability to nuke the US. Israel refuses to allow inspectors in to see where they are in nuclear production. What about Pakistan? They have nuclear also. We know they are not trustworthy. They attacked India. What should we do about that?
They lied through their teeth about covid. No doubt about it.
As a teen, I lied through my teeth to get out of trouble about curfew or whatever. (Sorry mom!) That in no way implies that everything I uttered was a lie.
They have loads of pics and the alphabet group saying there’s an elaborate nuc facility under a mountain.
They gave them a heads up regarding getting the uranium and whatever else goes into the recipe— Idk… vanilla? Salt? to make the yellow cake and the key components, and scuttle that away. I think he had good intell and make a surgical cut to the nuc program if a country who quite regularly is guilty of stacks of human rights violations, who keeps their women in burkas in 90°, who beats them to death if even a strand of hair comes out from said burka, who has the FAMILY come over and kick the women to death if, Allah forbid, they fall into the arms of another man who actually values them, and who beats homosexuals and other non-mainstream people to death, and yes, who regularly chant, DEATH to AMERICA, the GREAT SATAN, and DEATH to ISRAEL, the LITTLE SATAN.
Some people on here almost seem to be chanting the same chant!? Saying America (Trump) is lying and has always lied and this was all a made up, baseless move to what, entertain Orange Man? To bolster his ego? THAT sounds a lot like you hate Trump and America is a lying, semi-worthless crock.
Sad to think how quickly some of you are at getting out from behind DJT, doubting his every move, and abandoning Israel.
"In an interview with the Press TV website, Ali Bigdeli, a senior academic and political analyst, asserted that enrichment of uranium is Iran's "national and legal right," and it must continue on this path, emphasizing the country's commitment to preserve its nuclear independence under the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).
Since last month, Iran and the US have held five rounds of indirect nuclear talks, mediated by Oman.
One of the key sticking points has been the American demand for Iran to halt its enrichment program and instead join a consortium with other nations that would handle enrichment on its behalf."
So we are okay with Iran having enriched uranium as long as we are the ones creating it and selling it to them?
But your ok with that same thing happening in China to the Ugers? Or in South Africa to the whites? Or in North Africa to Christians? Or biggest of all, the murder of millions of unborn children around the world? Where is your outrage there? Should we go bomb them too? We are not so godly a nation that we have the right to threaten and terrorise other nations. We need to clean our own eyes before we try to clean anyone else's. I do not want to be part of the Rothschild empire which IS what the fake jews in Israel are doing.
You have no clue where might my outrage lie, nor what, if anything, I’ve ever done about any of it. As far as you know, I may give a zillion dollars a month to help all the above mentioned entities.
And no, I don’t think we need to run out and bomb, say, China just because they have intense human rights violations, across the board.
The would bomb us right back, and it would no doubt kill most of the very people we would be trying to help.
I don’t think DJT did this for any reason other than, his intel by the mutual alphabet group told him that Iran had serious capabilities to maim us. In order for that not to happen, he destroyed their nukes facility. Bear in mind, he killed no one. There was zero bloodshed. It was surgical obliteration of a facility created to destroy US, the Great Satan.
Win-win, I say.
And yeah, there’s plenty of crap in our eyes but let’s not pretend there’s no crap in the eyes of the little nation who boasts daily that their very reason for living and what gets them out of bed every day is to obliterate US.
And how, pray tell, might one be able to tell the “real jews” from the “fake jews”? Which begs the question, how might we limit suffering if the real jews while taking care of the supposed fake jew issue without doing harm to the real jews, the very apple of God’s eye?
Measured in microseconds! And it's not like our government lying to us is NEW in the past six years. It's an age old phenomenon! Propaganda has been used "forever".
So I can not support any violence based on "this was better than the alternative".
If humans want peace, it won't come from military actions of our governments, it will come from massive refusal to support the militaries of the world. Cut the military budget! That will bring more peace than bombing Iran!
This needs to be a worldwide attitude change in "everyone". Bring peace like Switzerland (arm every individual) and stay out of the affairs of others.
I would argue that this thinking is Pollyanna. We will NEVER convince the rest of the world to defund their militaries and sing Kumbaya. Won't ever happen. This was, basically, the UK stance leading up to WWII, and Chamberlain and much of the polity in England was on this page. Didn't work out so well. Currently reading Thomas Sowell's brilliant "Cosmic Justice" that addresses this very issue. I highly recommend it. Whether or not bombing Iran is a good idea is a separate issue to having a very kick-ass military, which I totally enforce. It does, of course, need to be a lot more efficient. The $$$$ waste is astronomical.
Too many of the commenters below don’t get the full picture. If you don’t understand the history of Islam, you cannot make rational assumptions about what Iran does. They believe that WW3 or a nuclear strike on Jerusalem will hasten the return of the Mahdi, the 12th Imam, ushering in the domination of Islam and the end of the world. If you don’t understand how these demonic people think, you would assume they would act more rationally like NK’s Kim So Fat, who doesn’t have a death wish, but these people do. They ABSOLUTELY want a nuke, they ABSOLUTELY are developing one as covertly as they can manage, and they ABSOLUTELY WILL USE IT as soon as they get one. Dismiss that at your own peril, but Trump and Bibi have my full approval to do anything necessary to Iran to knock these demonic Shia lunatics into the Stone Age.
Yada Yada Yada. Evidently you don't know the history of Islam. Mohammed was a catholic. His mother was catholic. He was raised and taught their philosophy. He was instructed by the Jesuits. His daughter was named Fatima after the "lady" of Fatima story. Islam is a creation of the catholic church. Their jihad is based on the catholic inquisition.
then why did "anyone" trust Trump to not start a war in the first place...i have read "well I voted for Trump because he said he would not start a war", "but i don't trust anything from government" kind of a contradiction there...i am with Jenna, hoping this is the least of the worst strategies...wars have been forever and i now accept that they will probably be forever, especially after Covid and the world went to war with all of its populations killing millions and well because we as humans with differences, greed, experts etc will continue to create them because it is an option.
Any nation that says "death to another country, is completely unstable, and cannot have a nuclear weapon. So yes, it was briantly maneuvered. But also, yes, be on guard for the repercussions, because the previous administration left our country very vulnerable...
Good assessment Jenna. I have been thinking and researching this. Actually, we have been in a hot war with Iran for 46 years. It started when Carter stabbed the Shah in the back and gave the country to the crazies. They paid us back by taking 53 hostages for 444 days! In 1983, Iran bombed the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing 17 and the Marine barracks killing 220 Marines, 18 Navy sailors and 3 Army soldiers. U.S. troops in Iraq were killed by Iranian-backed militias, now putting that number at at least 603. That means roughly one in every six American combat fatalities in Iraq can be credited to Iran because it supplied the road bombs, (IED's), rockets, mortars, rocket-propelled grenades (RPG), small-arms, sniper, and other attacks in Iraq. Iran supports 12 different terrorist groups.
I am hopeful this will not escalate because Iran got their free punch to save face like they did after Trump's first term when he spectacularly assassinated the Iranian general running operations in Iraq killing Americans. This time they made an appointment, fired 15 rockets at an American base near Iran and its all good now. Now Trump is calling for a cease fire..
The rest is up to the Iranian people. They tried in 2009 and Obama looked the other way. Recently women uncovered their heads and were punished brutally. They are mass protesting now. Maybe they are tired of 46 years of oppression.
When I did real estate, I met a couple where the wife was a Registered Nurse and Iranian. When the Revolution happened, her family got out with the clothes on their backs. They lost everything. She told me Iran is a beautiful country with deep history. It was just like living here. Women doctors, scientists. I hope it becomes that way again.
Pollyanna Jenna is one of my favorite Jennas (right after split-personality-arguing-with-herself Jenna).
Seriously though, Iran is/was a big bully and needed to be defanged before they became really dangerous (nukes). Nobody (including Russia and China) likes them so I don't see this developing into a large regional war, let along WW3. And old Kakmeni better watch out or he'll get his one-way ticket to meet his 72 virgins.
Never mind the pot calling the kettle black ~ i.e, Trump calling Iran the "bully" of the Middle of the East . . . . . or the fact that Trump was describing himself as the "peace" candidate who wanted no more wars . . . . .
I asked your questions of ChatGPT, out of curiosity. You might find the replies fascinating (I did)!
🧭 Who died and made the US the policeman of the world?
Nobody officially — but the U.S. has assumed that role (for better or worse) because it can. As the world's most powerful military and economic force, the U.S. often intervenes to deter what it sees as larger threats to global security. In this case, preventing Iran from becoming a nuclear-armed state — which could trigger a regional arms race or lead to nuclear weapons falling into the hands of proxies — is seen as serving global, not just American, interests. Critics call it overreach; supporters call it leadership.
☢️ Why is it okay for Israel (and the U.S.) to have nuclear weapons, but not Iran?
Because of trust, transparency, and track records — or at least that’s the argument. Israel and the U.S. are allied democracies that haven’t threatened to wipe other nations off the map or actively funded global terrorism through proxies. Iran, on the other hand, has a long history of calling for the destruction of Israel, destabilizing neighbors, and supporting armed groups across the Middle East. Giving a regime like that nukes is, to many, an unacceptable risk. The issue isn't nuclear weapons in general — it's who holds them, and what they’ve shown they’re willing to do with power.
💥 Why is it okay for Trump to engage in this level of military aggression (aka WAR) without congressional approval?
Because under the War Powers Resolution, the president can take limited military action without prior congressional approval, especially when there’s a perceived imminent threat or to protect national security interests. The strikes targeted nuclear sites, not civilians or broad infrastructure — and were presented as preventive and limited, not as the start of a war. The White House may argue this wasn’t a declaration of war, but a strategic containment measure to prevent a far worse conflict — like Israel bombing Iran first, which could have drawn everyone into something much bigger, much faster.
Good questions. Maybe its a simple as making sure the country that wants all US citizens dead, which they have stated repeatedly for decades, doesn't have the means to act on it.
I'm slowly coming around to the idea that, a country that PLEDGES to destroy your country WHENEVER it sees an opportunity, could be considered to have declared a state of war. This is something I had not considered.
I would be very interested to hear the Supreme Court's opinion. For that matter I wonder "Where have they been?" during all these modern "strikes." They seem to be focused mostly on domestic policy.
It’s the same theory of reasonable likelihood of guilt that the secret service uses in guarding the president.
If you wish he was dead on twitter, it’s free speech.
If you wish him dead on twitter and then get caught with a gun in the bushes outside the White House, you’re going away for decades.
They wished Trump dead, they made AI videos of how they would kill him at Mar-a-lago, and they are simultaneously building rocket and missile tech with military-grade nuclear tech without having any civilian nuclear power or space exploration programs. Pretty obvious we should just take them at their word when they say they want us all dead.
Sure, I'm not happy to have Iran have nuclear weapons, but I'm also not happy with Israel, Russia or the US having them or any other country.
And what if Iran does not have nuclear weapons, same as Irak never had weapons of mass destruction? I really don't believe any story anymore. We just cannot know what's true or not.
Israel has over 200 nukes and feels threatened by a country developing nuclear developing nuclear energy ( not weapons) . They play the victim card whilst destroying Gaza and Yemen . Their 9:11 attacks on America started their domination of the African continent using the USA to fight and sacrifice their youth for their agenda
Again, not defending Israel… in this case,defending Trump.
I trust Israel more than Iran and Israel's opponents. See https://rumble.com/v3vz9t7-muslims-invented-the-yellow-star.-brigitte-gabriel-with-sebastian-gorka-one.html
Lets keep in mind that the country you refer to states clearly that they want to kill all Israelis and destroy the US and its western allies. What makes you believe they are developing the uranium for energy and not weapons?
You're taking propaganda as reality... the entire "death to all Israelis" thing coming from that government is a single statement entirely contorted to serve the "anti-semetic" narrative ad nauseum, which Israel uses toward any and all criticism whether coming from an adversary or not. Iran is certainly a funder of terror cells (like the U.S., U.K., Israel, etc....), they're not gonna be our friends/partners/allies, but they cannot destroy us and they won't even try. This whole thing is a ridiculous PR stunt and Iran was warned ahead of time... they cleared these sites, and as Medvedev has already said now there are a handful of countries that can willingly offer Iran nuclear warheads and supply them. Nothing accomplished but heightened danger for escalation.
There is no commercial reason to enrich uranium above 5%. For power plant needs, it is usually no higher than 3.5% . The ONLY thing to do with enrichment higher is weapons.
Fordow is Iran's main enrichment location for enriching uranium to 60%.
"In early 2023, the IAEA said it had found uranium particles at Fordo enriched to almost 84% purity, which is incredibly close to the 90% purity uranium that would be required for a nuclear weapon." https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-iran-war-fordo-nuclear-site/
It was a PR stunt because it does nothing to prevent them from continuing to do this if they choose or to accept nukes from another country. The bombing may have slowed the process- that is all. This is about regime change and if you believe the Trump admin's claim of "stopping the bomb" you've been sucked in. It's the onset of what is going to be a protracted war, the exact kind Trump claimed to be against and promised not to start.
Great commenting, man.
The sheer number of people spouting regurgitated propaganda without a moment of critical thinking is disheartening.
“Death to America,”
“They mistreat women”
“They have sworn to defeat Israel”
The west has been fkg w Iran for decades, even overthrowing their government. No wonder they act as they do. I for sure would have a nuclear weapon. Nobody messes with NK much these days, do they?
It was actually Russia that overthrew the Shah of Iran. And the ever feckless a president Carter just sat there on his hands. He was another Biden.
It certainly is difficult to believe ANYTHING once you realize how often and how completely we have been lied to and,manipulated,over our lifetime!
except for the countdown clock til it wipes Israel off the map Iran has in a public square.
Post a verifiable pic of exactly what you claim, please.
its not my claim but has been written of in many many articles. do your research.
Asserted without evidence, may be dismissed without evidence, per Hitchens.
And without verification it's called propaganda. Are you really unfamiliar with the fact that corporate media IS propaganda? I suppose this clock has been there for 30 or 40 years and yet they still don't have any nuclear weapons? I guess it's a clock of wishful thinking.
Oh, didn't the North Korean's say that also, so when do we go after them? Especially since they DO have the capability to nuke the US. I could go along with premise IF after Trump would have said the truth, IF the Epstein, JFK, 9/11, the Liberty files were out there in tho open showing Israel's involvement in them. Remember his speeches..not only no more wars BUT close the bases and bring our people home. For him Trump to denounce his head of intelligence, who he picked and pushed for, as he did after her truthful testimony in front of the committee, was shameful to say the least. The US and the CIA caused this chaos in the middle east. They disposed 2 regime and installed the mullahs to keep Iran in the middle ages. This same lying agency who said Sadam had weapons of mass destruction is the same lying agency saying that NOW Iran is close to nuclear capability. Bebe has been trying to frighten the world for over 20yrs with this story. So if they are trying to get there, they are sure damn slow to get there and they better hang it up. I don't want to be part of the Rothschild empire that Israel is trying to build. Nor do I want to finance it. I am not pro any country other than ours. I am not anti any country but we need to keep our nose home, clean up our issues, take care of our citizens and stop meddling. GOD, the one and only, is who I worship. HE is a God of order. On the other satan and his people are gods of chaos. Trump should have listened to GOD not the fake jews of Israel.
We are lucky the nuclear missile fired at Hawaii from an Israeli submarine to blame the North Koreans was intercepted on time . We were lucky the plane full of illegally armed nukes was stopped from flying across America during the Cheney/Bush administration . Broken Arrow events are more common than you could imagine . Some intelligence agents say Israel has between 200-400 nukes now.
Now THIS is damn well said. Too many red flags, too many false flags, there is no benefit of the doubt here.
15 days to flatten the curve....
be careful while sipping the lemonade.....🍋
Regular weapons inspections showed the Irans were keeping their word . Don’t forget the WMD fiasco in Iraq . They were lies to create fear and manipulation
They used wmds against their own people, the Kurds were poison gassed. Over 5,000 deaths.
Islam intends that for all infidels and free nations
Watch dials. They’re going to bump the Swiss out of the running and corner the world market (since the recent reluctance to use cell phones)
Anyone who thinks Iran is developing nuclear capability to power their country not blow us off the face of the earth, a country that glorifies self immolation for “ the cause” , is beyond the capacity for rational thought. Self preservation should bring some wisdom.
What is "the cause," and what is the evidence that Iran glorifies self-immolation?
Maybe more to the point, what Middle Eastern country has attacked its neighbors in the last 150 years?
Every single one of Israel’s neighbors have attacked Israel, and so has Israel attacked several of those neighbors.
Israel has had nukes for decades, but they've never used them. The question is Why not?
One suspects Israel's leaders know that if they do use them, the little nation of Israel would no longer exist 24 hours after they used them. (Pakistan has nukes too).
I say the same type thinking would apply to Iran's leaders. Yes, they could nuke Israel or maybe even one of America's hundreds of military bases in the region, but what happens to Iran after they do this?
America has thousands of nukes. If Iran fired off one or two of its crude bombs, this nation of 90 million people (half the size of America) would be uninhabitable for generations. The "logic" is Iranians wouldn't mind this ... as long as they dropped one or two nukes on "Great Satan," they could all go to their maker very happy.
Apparently, the entire nation of Iran (and all of its leaders) are made up of people like the followers of Jim Jones.
American military intel knew Iran had no nuclear weapon capability before this attack
Yeah, cuz it wouldn’t be so smart to blow up the bombs once they were— bombs. Much better to blow the joint up BEFORE there are bombs to destroy us all.
A country that chants in the streets about wiping their “enemies” from the face of the earth is perhaps not mentally stable enough to have that sort of power.
Iran skulks around the world getting other crazies to do their dirty work then saying “we didn’t do nothin’ like a six year old with one hand in the cookie jar. Wake up man, hating the Jews is not going to save you from the Iranians.
MSM is spinning propaganda to manipulate your thinking
Daily! Minute by minute. And every lie they tell feeds the fire of those ao trigger happy and ready to believe it all. I personally think every lie they tell greases their slide into oblivion.
I am forced to listen to liberal
news every day bc hubs is into it and the TV is HUGE, and very centrally located. I mostly read conservative news but I have learned to listen TO the actual person whenever possible rather than listening to someone’s take on what that person said. The difference is night and day. NO one has made that more clear
to me than RFK and DJT. I’ve seen it over and over, the commentators say one thing, but if I go back and listen to what they’re commenting on, the the actual speech, it’s always, always totally different.
ivermectin is horse paste....
weapons of mass destruction...
safe and effective...
15 days to flatten the curve...
why do you still believe them?
Laura, how did "American military intel knew Iran had no nuclear weapon capability before this attack." become "hating the Jews?" I followed you right up to that last sentence.
Because calling the Jews out as being the real problem in the region smacks of Jew hatred.
Yes, Israel has nuclear weapons, but it’s not going about threatening to blow any one country off the planet. They want to be left in peace to live their own lives in their own way, but are constantly being threatened. I guess many think they should just pray and let the haters around them have their way with them, but it’s not the path they’ve chosen. They’ve bent over backwards to include and accommodate other people and religions into their society— have their neighbors done the same? The Jews/Zionism is not the problem in the region and any clear eyed non- hating analysis would conclude the same.
Your take on Israel not being the agitator rings false. Laura. Just take a look at the ruins they made of Gaza. Everyone knows about the 6 hour stand down order the IDF was given on Oct 7; just another Israeli orchestrated false-flag. And Syria? What was the reason for them being aggressive there? The incidents are simply too many to count, and the justifications so clearly paper thin. Bibi is the problem; why not take care of him?
Of course, you're attacking a straw man; Steven Burgoyne spoke of American military intel, not "the Jews."
It’s a standard ad hominem they use when they’re debating. Attack the messenger.
David, read on more of Burgoyne’s comment. He does hate the Jews and blames them for everything happening now and everything they’ve endured in their past. Accusing them of using the blood of children to make Passover bread…
I usually try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but I draw a line at unbridled hatred for any one group of people. I might think Iran’s government hateful and misdirected and crazy, but I don’t attribute that to every Iranian ever born. They’ve had one of the most advanced cultures in the world in past times and should have the freedom, if they want it, to become great again.
I was looking at the same comments you were in real time, and unless you've known him from somewhere else, you had to know the future to know he was going to go "bloody Passover bread." Certainly I never saw that coming in what I'd read up to that point. It resembles in microcosm the Iran debate; you "knew" he was going to say that so you jumped in. The rest of us didn't know it, and question how you could possibly have known it.
One does not have to quote spurious documents that the Jews deny to critique them; there is plenty in their rabbinic literature and Talmud to question their motives vis-a-vis the non-Jew.
During the Oct 6th slaughter it was Israeli gunships that fired on the concert goers, Israeli tanks firing on the homes with hostages and the border posts were emptied and gates left open in preparation for for the Mossad controlled Hamas to walk in . In the film there is no IDF member to be seen . The who fiasco was set up to play the victim card in order to gain control of the oil and gas off Gaza . As the concert goers fled their cars were destroyed by the helicopters and many were burnt alive in them . The meaning of holocaust it a sacrificial burnt offering and the Israelis did this that day
Weapons inspectors did regular checks and Iran wasn’t making bombs /weapons .
My understanding, and this comes from the very liberal CNN and ABC, (unfortunately I am forced to “watch/hear” MSM, daily) is that they do have “yellow cake” enriched uranium and other major components to make nuclear weapons like the big boys.
A conservative guy whom I adore, and read daily, says Trump gave them time to move the integral stuff, and they have pics of previous days with trucks lined up like it’s moving day. He bolstered the idea pretty well that DJT purposely gave them that heads up in order to remove anything that might detonate and harm anyone.
This has been done previously by other presidents. It’s the kind of thing where Mom says she’s going to ground you for a month if your room isn’t clean when she gets up there, and she’s coming RIGHT NOW, but then she takes a few minutes to unload the dish washer, loudly, so you get on with that chore shes been asking you to do for days, finally realizing she means business.
You read Jeff Childers. His explanation makes sense.
And I’m sure Iran showed them everything they have/had as their leadership is known to be extremely open, rational, reasonable and is definitely compliant with international “norms”.😂🙄. The fact is, neither you, I or anyone else outside of a pretty small circle (relatively speaking) of people know what is really going on in the events that unfolded over the weekend.
Every time the inspectors found evidence of enriched uranium, they were kicked out of the country. Now who’s swallowing the propaganda?
Most of these uninformed ‘entities’ posting comments on here are unaware, apparently, if the history of Iran.
They were an up-and-coming peaceful nation before Russia decided to intervene, and managed to overthrow the Shah of Iran (Persia)…..because the mullahs wanted control.
Once the Ayatollah was in charge, it changed overnight. Women who refused to dress as garbage cans were beaten, raped, some blinded, many murdered. And ‘President’ Carter had a cozy very money-honeyship with the Islamic terrorists (whom Persians hate) ruling. The Persians have long wanted their freedoms back, but then the terrorist regime would send in their black-sandal thugs and beat, rape, kill a few of them to ‘put them in their place’.
These commenting on here are either uninformed or are operating under monikers to disguise the fact that they are, themselves, an Islamist or, at the very least, an Islamist sympathizer .
Peace ✌️ out! Peace through strength.
(We are also fighting a spiritual battle…..not against men, but against principalities, powers, rulers of darkness…..and Islam is one of darkness)
You know that how?
Or maybe you made it up.
Bill Shit, just like the knew about
the entire nation doesn't have to agree. I'm sure they all don't agree that a teenager wears her burka incorrectly should be executed and yet it happens. The regime doesn't care what the people of Iran want. They impose their draconian ideas on the people without remorse.
And why is it Israel refuse to allow their sites to be inspected?
I’d love to see this cited, please.
Israel nuked Beruit a few years ago and blamed it on stored fertiliser and fireworks . They got away with it as most MSM is controlled by Jews
What’s with all the new jew hate?
Who is writing these Hitler-esque substacks causing everyone to foam at the mouth abt jews all of the sudden?
The new ‘Jew hate’ isn’t new.
It’s demonic…….and those spewing it have inherited it. They hide behind English-sounding names, but they are most likely Islamic……which is not a religion. It is a geo-political demonic entity hiding behind a wall of demons and pretending it is a religion.
There is a film of Netanyahu when he was previously PM , in it the elderly Zionists ask asking him to get WW3 going so they can see their Messiah return before they day . It reveals the level of insanity we are dealing with much the same as their Sampson Option they have threatened to use
There are crazies everywhere. We had slaves a couple
hundred years ago. We owned humans! We paid doctors to dump out all of our blood when we were ill. We have had terrible presidents and terrible
people in charge—all
around. We actually killed people to desegregate schools. We had (have?) the KKK. We took our sweet time to liberate jews (again, the very apple of God’s eye, according to His word!) from Auschwitz, Bergen Belsen the like. We abort millions of perfectly healthy babies a year and sell
off their body parts to the highest bidder. We had whatever debacle J6 was, and the
“mostly peaceful” burning of Seattle, Minnesota and just 2 weeks ago, of LA! People damaged Elon’s cars without a thought that insurance would just have to … (wait for it) buy another car, from ELON! 😝 If your point is that there are some old
men wanting to see their messiah (which we’ve already seen but is hopefully
returning very soon!) who cares!??! Every generation has had those people. Heck, I’d do a few out-of-bounds things if I thought for one second that I, personally, could push God into doing His thing early, too! That doesn’t make my entire race crazy. That makes ME
pushy. Huge difference.
They bring about the hate on themselves , over the centuries they have been driven out of over 40 countries . Their killing of children for their blood and Passover bread and poisoning of wells has given them a bad reputation . Now they are recognised as attacking America on 9:11 , nuking Beruit a few years ago ,destroying Gaza and killing its innocent occupants who gave them sanctuary when no one wanted them
We are not drinking from the same wells of information.
Jews have fled from their own homeland to so many countries, beginning way back in King Nebuchadnezzar’s reign. They fled OVER the Caucasus Mountains and settled much of Europe and later Canada and the Americas (hence the name Caucasian). All of the sons of Zedikiah’s were killed in battle, along with most all the men in Israel. His daughters left with their old uncle, Joseph the Tin Man, who is well documented in Scotland and abroad. One of Zedikiah’s daughters, Scota, founded Scotland. Another, England amd I think a 3rd daughter helped found Ireland but Idk…
To this day, the coronation of kings and queens in Great Britain begins with a vow to protect Mother Israel. True story.
this is absurd. They have fled many countries over the centuries and returned to their homeland of over 3000 years. Archeologists have corroborated this.
Some have, others disagree.
We’ve done the same type of thing repeatedly. We killed innocents in Vietnam and certainly in Japan, etc. Israel and Gaza have been going at it for centuries. Do you know why that started and who is right and who is wrong? That whole fiasco started in bible times. God DID give them that land and later, when they were at war with (then) Persia, God told them they’d win and to take EVERY ONE of them out. They disobeyed, as we are all inclined to do, and this has been going on ever since. Do you claim to know all the facts and all the behind the scenes goings-on from bible times to now? So much so that you just KNOW for certain that Israel and DNT are the bad guys here?
Research the word HAMAS,
the Persians rescued the jews centuries ago. Many Iranians are thankful that Israel and the USA have bombed these leaders and nuclear facilities in the past couple of weeks.
They used a nuke in Beruit and two small (SADM)ones on the basements of the WTC towers
1000%. They play the victim and play the United States. Damnable. Literally. This is not "anti-Semitic" or even more narrowly "anti-Jewish", but it is--full-on--anti-Zionist.
Assuming all of this is provably true, what do you think what would have happened if Trump HADN’T gone in there?
I'll take a stab at a good question: Iran might have become a "nuclear power," but being a nuclear power does not mean your nation will use said Nukes. Countless countries have had nukes for decades since 1945 ... but, for some reason, no nation has used them.
The reason to have nukes actually makes sense: They are an insurance policy that no other nation will start a war with your nation or try to invade and occupy your nation (Regime Change, which is omnipresent in my lifetime).
I actually fully understand why Iran might want nukes. It's the same reason North Korea wanted them. Nobody's talking about invading North Korea these days (and North Korea hasn't nuked South Korea since they got their weapons).
... I just read a powerful meme. The author pointed out that America has bombed eight (!) Muslim nations in the last 15 years. The caption was: "These nations hate us for our freedoms."
Maybe they hate us because we keep bombing their cities and villages and killing children and innocent civilians?
Still, per the authorized narrative, Iran is the big bad military "bully" and America is a great champion of "peace" and "democracy." BTW, that narrative is crumbling.
One of the themes of my essays is that the world is now being led by "obtuse" leaders. (Covid proved this).
If we have so many obtuse leaders, one day one of these "leaders" IS going to use a nuclear weapon, which will be the stupidest move in modern history - far more dangerous than America using two of them to end a terrible war in 1945 - when America was the only nation with nuclear capability.
I'm pretty confident the leaders who say they are trying to prevent nuclear war will, one day, produce/start one.
Another prediction: This will happen when one leader concludes "we have no other choice. We have to use our nukes or our nation will be over-run or finished."
The more I think about it, it will probably be Israel (not Iran or North Korea) that makes this decision.
All this said, "How bout them Cowboys? We sure are getting a lot of rain in Troy, Alabama this June ... chemtrails?"
I think Iran would have become a nuclear power. Like North Korea. Like Israel (and one can hardly say, at this point, that Israel's actions are the result of a "stable regime." )
Here's the thing about starting "pre-taliatory" wars: a) you cannot KNOW what the other party WILL do BECAUSE the future is the future[1], b) you lose the moral high ground when you are ATTACKING and not responding to the attack[2], and c) you cannot predict WHERE your "limited war" will head[3].
"Bibi" called for it/Bibi called it: "We want it but we can't do it: only America can do it." I don't blame silly Trump. I blame Bibi for taking advantage of silly Trump.
[1] Accepting that launching strikes because of something a country MIGHT do opens the ENTIRE can of worms. "Oh, I see what you're about to do! BAM! BAM!"
[2] Everyone agrees that an ATTACK is proof-positive of AGGRESSION: it's Ukraine's principal excuse for being attached to the US teat.
[3] Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea. "Wars" America jumped into AFTER NOT being attacked. (Afghanistan-the-country did not attack; criminals therein did, but the USA has AMPLY demonstrated it can GET ANYONE ANYWHERE ANYTIME so "liberating" countries that DON'T WANT IT is ridiculous unnecessary.) With backs to the wall, it seems to me a very good possibility that Iran will throw everything it has at Israel and Its Bully Protector[4] before it too is incinerated.
[4] That's "bully" as in "bully pulpit," but I cannot argue that America is not seen as a playground bully "protecting" its provocateur/chicken-shit agents.
Q. Where and when did Israel "get nuclear weapons?"
A. Because of documented cases of SPYING on its supposed ally, one can reasonably guess--especially because of the ease with which that spying was accomplished--that America's technology ended up in the hands of Israel. (Jason Pollard passed over 800,000 documents.) But the AI thing says: "According to a 1987 MERIP report, Israel prioritized acquiring an operational intermediate-range nuclear missile (the Jericho missile) before 1973. This involved covert procurement of critical components such as aluminum extrusions (rocket shells), inertial guidance systems, and other technology from the United States and other sources, often circumventing export controls." Nuclear weapons aren't useful deterrents without delivery systems; they stole that (too).
I will never comprehend the American polity's fascination with "poor Israel."
So your answer is??? Military strikes are often based on predictions.
Simple: "Don't start wars."
It's why I voted for Trump.
Military strikes (wars) are often _started_ on assumptions. America COULD have attacked Japan STARTING WWII: the Japanese code had been broken. Still no one on this earth can explain the course the war with Japan _would have_ taken if America had struck first. However, it's reasonable to believe from what we learned about the Japanese mindset that they would not have abandoned their plans to rule Asia.
That doesn’t answer Jenna’s question.
And say what one will about this regime as there is plenty to condemn and criticize, but they simply have not had program to develop nuclear weapons and they won't unless pushed in that direction, which this attack clearly leads toward. And Russia, N. Korea, Pakistan, China, can supply them with nuclear warheads if they cannot produce them and feel it's necessary for their sovereignty.
Nothing. If Trump would have said to Bebe "You started this. You are on your own. No weapons. No money. No Intel. I promised my voters No more wars. Closing bases and bringing our people home. America comes first. No longer is Israel placed above America. That's what he could have said and the bully, chaos causing Bebe would have stopped.
He would have been assassinated like they did to the two Kennedys
As you said in your article, we still don't know what the final outcome of what WAS done.
Wow 😮
But Israel has demonstrated over and over again, it would not use those nuclear weapons on another country as they are aware it would bring out the end of humanity. Its a peace through strength mentality. Iran on the other hand would gladly use them on their perceived enemies, especially Israel and/or the USA.
Don’t forget the two Sadm,s planted in the WTC tower basements also to bring them down. They have their Sampson Option and threaten to use their nukes to take down the rest of the world should they look like being defeated
What kind of buffoon are you? Victim card; get off your antisemitic petard you jerk..
Anti semetic - it’s a trick - we always use it when Jews are criticised in America.If in Europe the Jews are criticised we bring up the holocaust. Quoted by an Israeli cabinet minister
Nucl at energy does not use 69%enriched uranium.
Still it’s Israel that used the nukes on the twin towers and in Beriut . Its arsenal they threaten to use with their Sampson option an insane plan that if they are going down they will take the rest of the world down with them .
Pardon, sir/madam…..Your hatred of Israel is showing.
Truth is truth even if it offends you
No need for 60% enriched uranium for anything other than nuclear weapons.
3% is sufficient for nuclear power plants.
Iran has been the leader in exporting terrorism for half a century.
Iran has threatened the destruction of the US, Israel and the extermination of all Jews.
The trope “from the river to the sea” is incomplete, the rest of the saying is the land will be free of all Jews.
Perhaps you don’t know what river and sea the antisemites are talking about?
The Jordan river to the Mediterranean Sea, which completely encompasses the free state of Israel.
Maybe the Israelis are not interested in using their nuclear weapons in a tit for tat of mutual destruction. Because unlike the Iranians and the Muslim worshippers of death and destruction, the Israeli people long ago chose life.
Perhaps you are an antisemite, if so you should admit that fact, instead of making excuses for the regime that has sworn to destroy America and Israel.
The first casualty of any war is always the truth
Truth is truth no matter how uncomfortable it makes you feel . I’m anti world Wars and history shows it’s Jewish Freemasons who start them and their banker friends profit by them . They feed off the death , destruction and misery the wars create . Some say they are worshipping Lucifer and by their actions they certainly seem to be . The Bible warns to beware of those pretending to be Jews who are not ! 1.8% of the world’s population are Jewish yet they control 90% of most things . Like with Epstein,s honey pot /blackmail operations they have dirt on most of the world’s politicians and MSM to ensure they can manipulate the globe for their nightmarish agenda of world communism
An admission of your antisemitism. You make it easy to see when you admit you believe conspiracy theories.
I love your perspective, Jenna. I do hope it’s accurate. So far Trump has kept his word on his stated intentions so i am taking that into consideration.
I don’t want to be naive but it’s quite possible his action was to avoid a greater conflict. I’m all for America staying out of the affairs of other countries but what if this was necessary?
I will add, globally the integrity of “government control “ is a big fail and that includes Israel. It amazes me that humanity hasn’t evolved beyond this.
Staying out of other country’s business Agreed ideally Unless they are US avowed enemies (We’ve made a lot of them)
The art of war is tricky business ! I feel I have to trust trump /the white hats and the script writers at this point
Jenna, I agree with you, I think Trump picked the least worst of all possible options. FWIW I think he will be someday regarded as the most unique, influential, and, yes, courageous President since Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation and Reagan took on Russia in the cold war. Only someone who knows me well can appreciate how my feelings about Trump have evolved since he first won the presidency against all odds. I voted for him but only because the alternative, Hillary Clinton, was just too awful to even consider. I was impressed with his ability to accomplish unheard of things, e.g. the Abraham Accord, despite fighting relentless opposition and behind the scenes treachery. He is a truly a unique character who rode into town when he was most needed. God bless him. Rick
Hope you are right BUT when he gave our capabilities back to Ukraine, I changed my mind. People keep justifying what he does but after a time those excuses run out. You can have reasons of why things are done but be honest and transparent about them. Excuses are just that.
Sorry, what part of death to America do you not understand? This is the high road. Pray it works. Totally agree with the author, this was the best way to get them to stop preying on the rest of the world.
They were already enflamed, they were going to continue to strike whenever THEY felt like it. Yes,our CIA and idiotic government fomented this. Let’s try to end it, not continue wavering all around it. Let’s try something different! Coz’ the past 20 years sure didn’t.
Open your ears to hear and your eyes to see. IF you believe the death to America garbage then you better be leaving. How MANY of their people do you think are already here and could cause destruction? Attacking Iran will only inflame them. Do you not understand that EVERY country has sleeper cells in the US. Do you not understand that compliments of the US and CIA there has been mayhem committed thru out the world. When a regime didn't fit our likes, we caused conflicts in the country to oust that regime and put one we liked in its place. GOD told us how to heal our lands. We need to repent for ALL the many sins we have brought into this world. Not only our current sins but those of our ancestors also.
Teresa, you may be right that this is what the high road has become. However, in my childhood, pre-Korean "conflict", the high road was expressed this way: "America doesn't START wars; she FINISHES them."
This "net-saving-of-lives calculation" is a modern invention, and I'd like to see scientific proof of the assertion. In my opinion, "lives are always lost" no matter which course is taken.
So you think this is starting a war, not finishing one? And all the attacks by terrorists over the last thirty years are not war against us and the rest of the world? Have to disagree with this. Wars are no longer anywhere near as localized as Korea or Vietnam. Unfortunately it’s been brought everywhere by guerrilla terrorists tactics. I stand by my statement.
Yes. I very much think this is starting a war, not finishing one. I think attacking a state not proven beyond a doubt to be the source of terrorism is projection. When IRAN, per se, commits an act of war, punish it. Enriching uranium is not that. Other states do it.
So we need to wait until they kill more people? Despite the fact that they’ve already killed?
Also, yes many other countries have nuclear capabilities. They aren’t chanting Death to America from their highest offices either.
Sometimes limits have to be enforced. We’ve done that.
Yes. America should wait "until" they kill more people, which is a strange way of viewing the world. Even people who are "sure" it will happen have to admit they cannot see the future. The "high road" is occupied by civilizations that say, "Talk all you want; weaponize all you want; posture all you want; spend your national treasure however you want--after all we are the peoples who preach 'freedoms'; however, if you lose patience and strike us, you will rue it."
We have become a people who "attack first," pre-emptively, "surgically," "whenever 'we' feel 'threatened.'" And "every" subterfuge/prevarication is excused if it permits "us" to obtain "the element of complete surprise."
Do you disagree that, to the world, America's guiding philosophy is "The end justifies the means."?
Only the dead have seen an end to war. The Mullahs have been attacking the US since 1979. We have been at war since 1979. The Mullahs have been offered a path to peace many times. They rejected every offer. They want a war of annihilation against us and others. If a Wolf Pack moved into the neighborhood and began killing our children and our neighbors we would appropriately hunt them to extinction. The Israelis were doing this for all of us. They needed a little help. We gave it to them, as we should.
And who put them there??? It was the US and the CIA.
Carter put them there.
As I understand history, The CIA and other intelligence agencies from the UK staged a coup to get rid of the democratically-elected Iranian leader and then installed the Shah who was later overthrown by "the Iranian people."
We're doing the same thing today, trying to install a relative of the earlier Shah.
Iran taking our hostages in 1979 is what's known as "blowback" for what our government did 20 years earlier. 9-11 was blowback. The TSA and bio-security complex is blowback. Covid - or the response to this non-deadly virus - is really blowback.
Ron Paul talks about this all the time: Blowback happens. It's inevitable.
Rampant inflation ... is blowback to the ever-growing MIC.
Jenna, I hope you're right about Trump's strategy. I honestly don't know who to believe anymore on the ME, Israel, and our relationship to them. I'll just keep praying, and you please just keep us chuckling.
Ugh... sorry Jenna, this is beyond Pollyanna thinking. Those are some crazy mental gymnastics to rationalize and support bombing and more war.
Destroying Iran has been in the works for a very long time. The US and Israeli governments lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, they lied about Syria, and they are lying about Iran. Iran does not have any nuclear weapons and any so-called evidence that they are producing nuclear weapons is absolutely made up.
Do you know who has nuclear weapons and isn't allowed to by international law? Israel. Do you know who continues to openly operate and brag about the open air apartheid military apartheid system known as Palestine? Israel.
World War III started when the global governments around the world decided to inject us all with poisons by lying to us all about a killer virus they called covid that was bank rolled by the military biopharmceutical industrial complex. These are the same people behind these bombings. Don't let them fool you.
Don't ever forget that war is a racket. It always has been and always will be. The banksters are the only ones who benefit from war and destabilization. Do not let them get away with it.
Vee, you know I love you, but your arguments lose all credibility (and I literally mean ALL) when you make statements like this: "Iran does not have any nuclear weapons and any so-called evidence that they are producing nuclear weapons is absolutely made up."
Per NPR, for God's sake: The International Atomic Energy Agency had assessed that Iran has more than 400 kilograms of 60% enriched uranium 235 — enough for around 10 bombs, according to independent experts. That 60% enriched uranium is carried in relatively small containers that could fit easily into cars, says Albright.
https://www.npr.org/2025/06/22/nx-s1-5441734/satellites-show-damage-iran-nuclear-program-not-destroyed-experts-say
NPR?? You ARE joking aren't you? The agency that says Iran has that capability is the same lying agency that said Sadam had weapons of mass destruction and got us in that fiasco. As far as NPR, liars on top of liars. Did you not know that our head of intelligence that Trump put in place testified before a congressional committee and said her intelligence showed no nuclear problem. And Trump said she didn't know what she was talking about..I would have slapped him in the face if not kicked him in his balls. So she didn't follow the script evidently. Then was told what to say and recanted her testimony. If that is not telling, I don't know what is. Listen to Matt Gaetz on OAN. Now I thi k his name was pulled by Trump not because he wouldn't be confirmed but because he wouldn't go along with the plan. Now he is speaking out from what he knew as he was in congress and on these committees. He is telling what was presented. HMMM. Better watch his back. Just because people are willing to tell the truth and criticize an action doesn't make them anti American or anti anything. Stop closing your eyes to untruths and bad decisions. That is how we got here because Americans overlooked wrong but said and did nothing.
I love you too, Jenna. Having the ability to make nuclear weapons isn't the same as having them. How can a country have nuclear power without enriched uranium?
Do you know what NPR said about the non-existant weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? https://www.npr.org/2005/11/15/4996218/iraq-wmd-timeline-how-the-mystery-unraveled
What did NPR say about covid and the death shots? What do they continue to say about them?
Why are you choosing to believe the agents of Operation Mockingbird now? Is NPR somehow immune from the influence of the intelligence agencies?
I get the WMD references/fears and OBVIOUSLY I'm with you about not trusting govt/media. We are ALL making our best guesses as to the whys here... but when you DEFINITIVELY INSIST that anything, on either side, is "absolutely made up," your whole argument dissolves. I am certainly open to the possibility that you are right; that Iran has NO nuclear capabilities and never will--but even if that were true, we are talking about a country whose motto is DEATH TO AMERICA. I don't think reminding them of what we are capable of is the worst idea in the world.
But are you really? It seems like these are rationalizations and excuses for bombing a country without definitive proof. Which government is more responsible for maiming and killing Americans? The US government or the Iranian government? Hell, even the Israeli government has killed more Americans than the Iranian government has.
I'd rather have a country screaming DEATH TO AMERICA while doing nothing than a country that screams SPREADING DEMOCRACY while bombing the living crap out of civilians and claims to be spreading freedom.
At this point in time, we should be assuming that everything that comes out of the government and mainstream media are completely made up. Not the opposite. There is no proof of nuclear weapons. The claim that there are has literally been going on for decades. Just like the climate change nonsense. Repeat a lie long enough and it comes true.
National Public Propaganda? Not my first choice of sources of information.
The idea of preventing Iran from enriching uranium is a bit like making guns illegal so that criminals won't have them.
Multiple sources show that Iran is not in the top fifteen nations for having uranium. Strict control of exports of uranium might be more effective in stifling Iran's nuclear ambitions.
We also need to set aside our fear of nuclear weapons. It's not as if the world lacks nasty ways of killing each other! Viruses... chemical weapons... cyber attacks or just plain simple terrorism with small bombs and such.
You are correct. Trump has stated many times he would not let Iran create nuclear weapons.
I see this move as an unarming of the enemy.
If some dudes approaching you with a gun and you're afraid for your childs, life the best possible outcome is that you unarm him before he can pull it out. He's not much of a threat without the gun.
As far as war being a racket. This may also be true. That said, it doesn't change the fact that Iran want you (yes YOU) and all your western world friends dead. They state that loudly and clearly. I dont think the answer is to sit on your hands and let him load his weapon.
Well put, Joe. I’m with you.
No, Joe. Iran has never had any nuclear weapons capabilities just like Iraq had never had any.
Let me ask you a question. How many American lives have the countries of Iraq, Iran, Syria, and Palestine taken versus your own government?
Give me a break. Our own government is actively killing us and gas lighting us with these death shots and you are still defending them.
Those things may be true as well. Fact remains that if you hate me and brag about wanting to kill me, when I see you loading a gun I'm going to take it from you.
Vee - if you're not convinced they were "loading their weapon" then thats another point to debate and neither of us can be sure.
That's like my three year old telling me he's going to shoot me with his nerf gun.
Come on. Nerf gun = Nuclear bomb?
What?
Iran has nuclear bombs just like Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. The military capabilities of the Middle Eastern countries, with the exception of Israel, is not even comparable to what the western world possesses. Not even close.
Speaking for myself, when I write "don't trust the experts" or "the authorities," I actually mean what I write.
Don't trust them. They are PROVEN serial liars. This said, I acknowledge when I say don't trust the "Iran-is-going-to-nuke-us" narrative this opens me up to rejoinders that I"m okay with my kids and relatives being nuked by Iran one day.
That's what I was told when I said don't trust the experts on the lockdowns, masks and "safe and effective vaccines." It was easy to portray me as someone who was FOR "mass death."
One question I always ask is "who benefits?" Here, it's the Military Industrial Complex that benefits. (Israel thinks it benefits by getting military assistance from America, but let's see what happens to Israel in the next 30 to 60 days).
With Covid, it was the ever-growing State, the Censors and Big Pharma who benefitted.
Trump probably benefits from getting "atta-boys" from the neo-cons and the MIC. Or he thinks he benefits. Key question: Is anybody in MAGA now leaving MAGA? I'd say about 10 to 15 percent of the Ron Paul type crowd is now former MAGA, but I might be wrong.
If the neo-cons now "own" President Trump, does Pfizer and Big Vaccine also own him? That's the question that really interests me. I'm starting to think ... they probably do. The same shadow leaders who've long wanted regime change in Iran are the same people and organizations who want endless mRNA vaccines.
Trump has always been owned. The fact that he is portrayed as some type of "anti-establishment" figure is part of the script. Unfortunately, it worked very well to brainwash Americans to support more war, more government control, ans more consolidation of power by the ruling class.
For many of us who have been awake, the changing of colors in the executive branch has always been a show for the masses. This couldn't be more apparent with the technocratic institutions being merged into the government bureaucracy by way of Musk and Palantir.
So what about North Korea Joe and Jenna? They have threatened us many times. They do have the capability to nuke the US. Israel refuses to allow inspectors in to see where they are in nuclear production. What about Pakistan? They have nuclear also. We know they are not trustworthy. They attacked India. What should we do about that?
But if he has a half dozen "guns" then does taking *one* away (temporarily) really accomplish anything?
When our government and media have done such a phenomenal job of lying to us over the past six years, are we really going to believe them now?
They lied through their teeth about covid. No doubt about it.
As a teen, I lied through my teeth to get out of trouble about curfew or whatever. (Sorry mom!) That in no way implies that everything I uttered was a lie.
They have loads of pics and the alphabet group saying there’s an elaborate nuc facility under a mountain.
They gave them a heads up regarding getting the uranium and whatever else goes into the recipe— Idk… vanilla? Salt? to make the yellow cake and the key components, and scuttle that away. I think he had good intell and make a surgical cut to the nuc program if a country who quite regularly is guilty of stacks of human rights violations, who keeps their women in burkas in 90°, who beats them to death if even a strand of hair comes out from said burka, who has the FAMILY come over and kick the women to death if, Allah forbid, they fall into the arms of another man who actually values them, and who beats homosexuals and other non-mainstream people to death, and yes, who regularly chant, DEATH to AMERICA, the GREAT SATAN, and DEATH to ISRAEL, the LITTLE SATAN.
Some people on here almost seem to be chanting the same chant!? Saying America (Trump) is lying and has always lied and this was all a made up, baseless move to what, entertain Orange Man? To bolster his ego? THAT sounds a lot like you hate Trump and America is a lying, semi-worthless crock.
Sad to think how quickly some of you are at getting out from behind DJT, doubting his every move, and abandoning Israel.
We should always analyze the other side's view.
Iran:
"In an interview with the Press TV website, Ali Bigdeli, a senior academic and political analyst, asserted that enrichment of uranium is Iran's "national and legal right," and it must continue on this path, emphasizing the country's commitment to preserve its nuclear independence under the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT).
Since last month, Iran and the US have held five rounds of indirect nuclear talks, mediated by Oman.
One of the key sticking points has been the American demand for Iran to halt its enrichment program and instead join a consortium with other nations that would handle enrichment on its behalf."
So we are okay with Iran having enriched uranium as long as we are the ones creating it and selling it to them?
But your ok with that same thing happening in China to the Ugers? Or in South Africa to the whites? Or in North Africa to Christians? Or biggest of all, the murder of millions of unborn children around the world? Where is your outrage there? Should we go bomb them too? We are not so godly a nation that we have the right to threaten and terrorise other nations. We need to clean our own eyes before we try to clean anyone else's. I do not want to be part of the Rothschild empire which IS what the fake jews in Israel are doing.
You have no clue where might my outrage lie, nor what, if anything, I’ve ever done about any of it. As far as you know, I may give a zillion dollars a month to help all the above mentioned entities.
And no, I don’t think we need to run out and bomb, say, China just because they have intense human rights violations, across the board.
The would bomb us right back, and it would no doubt kill most of the very people we would be trying to help.
I don’t think DJT did this for any reason other than, his intel by the mutual alphabet group told him that Iran had serious capabilities to maim us. In order for that not to happen, he destroyed their nukes facility. Bear in mind, he killed no one. There was zero bloodshed. It was surgical obliteration of a facility created to destroy US, the Great Satan.
Win-win, I say.
And yeah, there’s plenty of crap in our eyes but let’s not pretend there’s no crap in the eyes of the little nation who boasts daily that their very reason for living and what gets them out of bed every day is to obliterate US.
And how, pray tell, might one be able to tell the “real jews” from the “fake jews”? Which begs the question, how might we limit suffering if the real jews while taking care of the supposed fake jew issue without doing harm to the real jews, the very apple of God’s eye?
Not true
Fear works every time. "The deadly virus is going to kill 20 million of us!"
"Iran is going to kill five million people two weeks after they finish their bomb program!"
The Military Industrial Complex and the Vaccine Industrial Complex appreciate our support.
Yes, clearly our tax payer dollars are being well spent! Look at how much fun the military is having with their shiny toys!
Exactly. It's amazing how short term peoples' memories are.
Measured in microseconds! And it's not like our government lying to us is NEW in the past six years. It's an age old phenomenon! Propaganda has been used "forever".
So I can not support any violence based on "this was better than the alternative".
If humans want peace, it won't come from military actions of our governments, it will come from massive refusal to support the militaries of the world. Cut the military budget! That will bring more peace than bombing Iran!
This needs to be a worldwide attitude change in "everyone". Bring peace like Switzerland (arm every individual) and stay out of the affairs of others.
I would argue that this thinking is Pollyanna. We will NEVER convince the rest of the world to defund their militaries and sing Kumbaya. Won't ever happen. This was, basically, the UK stance leading up to WWII, and Chamberlain and much of the polity in England was on this page. Didn't work out so well. Currently reading Thomas Sowell's brilliant "Cosmic Justice" that addresses this very issue. I highly recommend it. Whether or not bombing Iran is a good idea is a separate issue to having a very kick-ass military, which I totally enforce. It does, of course, need to be a lot more efficient. The $$$$ waste is astronomical.
Wow 😮
Too many of the commenters below don’t get the full picture. If you don’t understand the history of Islam, you cannot make rational assumptions about what Iran does. They believe that WW3 or a nuclear strike on Jerusalem will hasten the return of the Mahdi, the 12th Imam, ushering in the domination of Islam and the end of the world. If you don’t understand how these demonic people think, you would assume they would act more rationally like NK’s Kim So Fat, who doesn’t have a death wish, but these people do. They ABSOLUTELY want a nuke, they ABSOLUTELY are developing one as covertly as they can manage, and they ABSOLUTELY WILL USE IT as soon as they get one. Dismiss that at your own peril, but Trump and Bibi have my full approval to do anything necessary to Iran to knock these demonic Shia lunatics into the Stone Age.
Dmitry Medvedev, former president of Russia, on Twitter:
Former Russian President and senior adviser to Putin, admits that Iran was in fact producing nuclear weapons.
Oh pls
Yada Yada Yada. Evidently you don't know the history of Islam. Mohammed was a catholic. His mother was catholic. He was raised and taught their philosophy. He was instructed by the Jesuits. His daughter was named Fatima after the "lady" of Fatima story. Islam is a creation of the catholic church. Their jihad is based on the catholic inquisition.
That is absolutely insane. Islam is a religion of works, inspired by a satanic vision. Catholicism, for all of its faults, is still based on Jesus.
then why did "anyone" trust Trump to not start a war in the first place...i have read "well I voted for Trump because he said he would not start a war", "but i don't trust anything from government" kind of a contradiction there...i am with Jenna, hoping this is the least of the worst strategies...wars have been forever and i now accept that they will probably be forever, especially after Covid and the world went to war with all of its populations killing millions and well because we as humans with differences, greed, experts etc will continue to create them because it is an option.
Thanks Jenna.
Any nation that says "death to another country, is completely unstable, and cannot have a nuclear weapon. So yes, it was briantly maneuvered. But also, yes, be on guard for the repercussions, because the previous administration left our country very vulnerable...
So when is your plan to go after Notth Korea?
Good assessment Jenna. I have been thinking and researching this. Actually, we have been in a hot war with Iran for 46 years. It started when Carter stabbed the Shah in the back and gave the country to the crazies. They paid us back by taking 53 hostages for 444 days! In 1983, Iran bombed the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, killing 17 and the Marine barracks killing 220 Marines, 18 Navy sailors and 3 Army soldiers. U.S. troops in Iraq were killed by Iranian-backed militias, now putting that number at at least 603. That means roughly one in every six American combat fatalities in Iraq can be credited to Iran because it supplied the road bombs, (IED's), rockets, mortars, rocket-propelled grenades (RPG), small-arms, sniper, and other attacks in Iraq. Iran supports 12 different terrorist groups.
I am hopeful this will not escalate because Iran got their free punch to save face like they did after Trump's first term when he spectacularly assassinated the Iranian general running operations in Iraq killing Americans. This time they made an appointment, fired 15 rockets at an American base near Iran and its all good now. Now Trump is calling for a cease fire..
The rest is up to the Iranian people. They tried in 2009 and Obama looked the other way. Recently women uncovered their heads and were punished brutally. They are mass protesting now. Maybe they are tired of 46 years of oppression.
When I did real estate, I met a couple where the wife was a Registered Nurse and Iranian. When the Revolution happened, her family got out with the clothes on their backs. They lost everything. She told me Iran is a beautiful country with deep history. It was just like living here. Women doctors, scientists. I hope it becomes that way again.
Great post. I’m late today but Trump posted on Truth Social that there’s a cease fire in the works. I swear you must have a crystal ball Jenna.
Just saw that (string of praying hands emojis)!!!
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Pollyanna Jenna is one of my favorite Jennas (right after split-personality-arguing-with-herself Jenna).
Seriously though, Iran is/was a big bully and needed to be defanged before they became really dangerous (nukes). Nobody (including Russia and China) likes them so I don't see this developing into a large regional war, let along WW3. And old Kakmeni better watch out or he'll get his one-way ticket to meet his 72 virgins.
You are a normal human being with common sense. Something that seems to be rare when discussing politics and global concerns.
Just a few questions for Pollyanna:
* Who died and made the US the policeman of the world?
* Why is it ok for Israel (and the US) to have nuclear weapons, but not Iran?
* Why is it ok for Trump to engage in this level of military aggression (aka WAR) w/o congressional approval?
* And, what's up now with the talk of regime change?
David Stockman's commentary is particularly apropos:
https://www.2ndsmartestguyintheworld.com/p/poll-result-trumps-operation-midnight?
Never mind the pot calling the kettle black ~ i.e, Trump calling Iran the "bully" of the Middle of the East . . . . . or the fact that Trump was describing himself as the "peace" candidate who wanted no more wars . . . . .
I asked your questions of ChatGPT, out of curiosity. You might find the replies fascinating (I did)!
🧭 Who died and made the US the policeman of the world?
Nobody officially — but the U.S. has assumed that role (for better or worse) because it can. As the world's most powerful military and economic force, the U.S. often intervenes to deter what it sees as larger threats to global security. In this case, preventing Iran from becoming a nuclear-armed state — which could trigger a regional arms race or lead to nuclear weapons falling into the hands of proxies — is seen as serving global, not just American, interests. Critics call it overreach; supporters call it leadership.
☢️ Why is it okay for Israel (and the U.S.) to have nuclear weapons, but not Iran?
Because of trust, transparency, and track records — or at least that’s the argument. Israel and the U.S. are allied democracies that haven’t threatened to wipe other nations off the map or actively funded global terrorism through proxies. Iran, on the other hand, has a long history of calling for the destruction of Israel, destabilizing neighbors, and supporting armed groups across the Middle East. Giving a regime like that nukes is, to many, an unacceptable risk. The issue isn't nuclear weapons in general — it's who holds them, and what they’ve shown they’re willing to do with power.
💥 Why is it okay for Trump to engage in this level of military aggression (aka WAR) without congressional approval?
Because under the War Powers Resolution, the president can take limited military action without prior congressional approval, especially when there’s a perceived imminent threat or to protect national security interests. The strikes targeted nuclear sites, not civilians or broad infrastructure — and were presented as preventive and limited, not as the start of a war. The White House may argue this wasn’t a declaration of war, but a strategic containment measure to prevent a far worse conflict — like Israel bombing Iran first, which could have drawn everyone into something much bigger, much faster.
Thanks, Jenna ~ but ChatGPT has *never* been my go-to authority for anything.
Good questions. Maybe its a simple as making sure the country that wants all US citizens dead, which they have stated repeatedly for decades, doesn't have the means to act on it.
This.
I'm slowly coming around to the idea that, a country that PLEDGES to destroy your country WHENEVER it sees an opportunity, could be considered to have declared a state of war. This is something I had not considered.
I would be very interested to hear the Supreme Court's opinion. For that matter I wonder "Where have they been?" during all these modern "strikes." They seem to be focused mostly on domestic policy.
[Filing this under "Careful What You Wish For."]
It’s the same theory of reasonable likelihood of guilt that the secret service uses in guarding the president.
If you wish he was dead on twitter, it’s free speech.
If you wish him dead on twitter and then get caught with a gun in the bushes outside the White House, you’re going away for decades.
They wished Trump dead, they made AI videos of how they would kill him at Mar-a-lago, and they are simultaneously building rocket and missile tech with military-grade nuclear tech without having any civilian nuclear power or space exploration programs. Pretty obvious we should just take them at their word when they say they want us all dead.
So when do you attack North Korea. JOE??
Sure, I'm not happy to have Iran have nuclear weapons, but I'm also not happy with Israel, Russia or the US having them or any other country.
And what if Iran does not have nuclear weapons, same as Irak never had weapons of mass destruction? I really don't believe any story anymore. We just cannot know what's true or not.
I so agree with the questions you ask.
🎯 Agree 100% re: any country stockpiling nuclear weapons . . . .
Good questions, too, about both Iran and Iraq. 👍
US pretty much funds the world. However, should not be the world's policeman.
Israel is not fucking threatening, promising, fatwaing every moment of every day to destroy other nations like us and Israel.
See above.
Deterrence. No one wants Iran to have nuclear weapons cause they will use them, they have said so, believe them Also would be nice if no one had them.
Trump Needed no Congressional approval on this as his predecessors didn't either and no one complained.
Iranian people want to change their regime, it is time to let them do so. I hope they can. I pray we don't interfere.
So when do you bomb North Korea??
How would I know. I was just answering dude's questions. Jenna did too! Great read!
Hope you're right. Funny, as always.