When you used to sign the form when being admitted as a patient it was all on paper. Now I hear it's on an ipad so you cannot cross out anything you disagree with. I don't think you can be admitted as a patient if you don't sign it.
Even if you explicitly say no to any jabs I don't think they would listen. Because as we all know it's about the money. The more jabs they give out it's more $$ for them.
It's crap like this that makes people not trust the medical profession or ever want to step foot inside a hospital.
Add to that: I have a friend who used to work in the mortgage industry. He told me that if a customer was awful to deal with, they had a line item they could (AND DID) add to the tab. (He called it "the a$$hole tax" but it had an official sounding name--like Underwriting Courier Insurance Fee or something.) Not a single customer ever noticed or called it out. In the ER they could lump vaccines in with "vital fluids" or some such...
My son was admitted for a burst appendix several months ago. We had notorized copies of the consent forms ready. I brought them with to the ER and into his room when admitted. They didn’t know what to do with them and treated me like I was wrapped in tinfoil like a burrito. (I pretty much was and with good reason.) They were literally confused by the forms, had never seen them before, and were flippant with them. They just took them from me and smiled with a blank stare. I made it clear that no doctor was allowed near him without having first read the consent forms. I left one on his bedside table and taped one to the “hello your nurse/doctor today is…” white board. Later every doctor I spoke to was unaware of the forms. 🤨 The surgeon had not seen them. There was NO WAY to get anything in writing summarizing exactly what they did in the surgery. “That will be updated in MyChart over the next few weeks, ma’am.” Well how convenient for them and too late for my son. If I ask for it I should be given it right there and then.
The whole process left me concerned over what actually happened and whether or not the patient legitimately can give consent of any kind even when they try to.
First of all, WAY TO GO MAMA BEAR!!! I love this with all of my heart. I also forwarded your note to Laura to get her thoughts. I guarantee (from all I've heard/read) that just knowing how adamant you were probably kept them on their little toes... but I'll report back! :)
Hello JuJu! I'm so sorry about your son's appendix - how scary! Firstly, how old was your son? (hopefully 18+ because it's only for adults with capacity to make their own decisions). Secondly, how were the forms delivered? Per IDoNotConsentForm.com they need to be delivered with proof of delivery/receipt (courier service + certified mail return receipt requested. When the IDNCF™ is delivered as directed, it holds the hospital and doctor accountable to honor your refusals because the document makes its way into the patient's electronic medical record. It's paramount that the hospital knows that you KNOW that they received your form.
Laura, I used the forms when I had emergency surgery a few months back (also appendix), and I never received back the return receipt post card from the mailed item. I know it got to the hospital, and there is a signature recorded online at the USPS website... but nobody there bothered to sign and return the green post card. I even spoke with the postman who delivered the item, and he was told that since the hospital has their own internal mail delivery system, they said they'd take care of it. Maddening.
A friend mailed it Priority Mail with return receipt - or something like that.
I also handed copies to each person I saw, although post-op I forgot to give one to my new hospitalists. Thankfully I was able to self-advocate and tell them what I did and did not want.
Hi Amy! Thanks for the feedback! Did you also send via courier delivery?Per the instructions at IDNCF™, you need to send in both ways so that if once fails, there’s a redundant proof of delivery. Not either/or - both. I’m sorry the USPS screwed the pooch…. Ugh! Our instructions also advise discreetly recording with your cell phone handing the form to the admissions desk and requesting that the form be placed in your electronic medical record as a 3rd proof of receipt. it’s a lot, I know! But it is what it is, right? Your consent wishes are only protected as much as you can prove they were communicated. The proof of delivery is KEY. Once you’ve done all that, verify that the form actually made it into the electronic medical record by visibly searching the EMR. To verify that the doctor in fact did NOT violate your wishes - request an itemized bill from the hospital after discharge. To hold their feet to the fire make that request in writing via email. Always create a paper trail. Always keep receipts of delivery. Sorry about your Appendix - I had to have surgery over a decade ago. That pain felt like I had eaten glass chips!! ouch!
Thanks Laura. Strangely I have no notification for your reply in my activity screen. I only saw it just now because I DID just receive two for Amy’s replies. (And one was from the 26th too but I only just now got a notice. I wonder how many others I’ve missed in the past!)
My son is 28, but we are his guardians. His admission was under emergency circumstances. His appendix actually was just about to burst and we caught it in the nick of time. It was also after hours. I did read all the instructions from the DoNotConsentForm site with we initially filled them out and had them notorized two years ago, and each of our copies had a cover sheet with those instructions on it to remind me. But in our circumstances it all happened so fast with the surgery about 8 hours after admission. I had no time to do any kind of certified mail or courier stuff and had all copies on me. No family or close friends around either that most people could utilize. So I did the best I could urging them to put it into his record and handing it to anyone that came into his room. My instructions didn’t have the trigger about recording my request, I’ll be sure to add that for future reference. It’s a lot more intimidating and overwhelming when it actually happens. I had imagined situations in my head and practiced it all out, but when it actually was needed it was so much different. You’re pulled in 10 different directions with focus and dealing with attitudes and emotions of the staff who are distracted 100x worse. It almost felt silly to be honest. I hated that, because I valued what it was supposed to do.
Juju, I'm so sorry about your son's appendix!! That hurts so bad!! As if dealing with a medical emergency wasn't bad enough (a traumatic, stressful, chaotic event) you ad to simultaneously navigate a very new refusal process and flawed system. Please don't hesitate to reach out to me anytime if you ever end up in a similar situation day or night - sometimes it just takes a voice outside the chaos of the moment to gently remind you of something in the process. Just leave a message if I can't pick up immediately at (888) 219-3637 and I'll call you right back. I hope your son is feeling much better!! He's very blessed to have a mom like you!!
Wow, how do we protect our children if it's only for adults?! I better go back and read the post with the IDNCF because I do not remember reading about the necessary form delivery requirements, either. 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
help arrange safe blood options, but they require several days or weeks of lead time before
surgery. Also, please recognize that not all hospitals can accommodate your request for
unvaccinated blood at this time.
HOW TO DELIVER THE FORM (ER Visit or Elective Hospital Surgery):
ONLY DELIVER this document to the ER or Surgi-Center after you are enrolled as an
active patient with an active chart and medical record number.
IMPORTANT: When signing hospital admission papers (like the General Consent form), only give them a copy — never hand over your signed original.
WHEN YOU ARE A NEW PATIENT: At the same time you turn in the hospital’s admissions paperwork, give them your I Do Not Consent Form™. This lets the hospital know exactly what you refuse, such as certain drugs, blood transfusions, or vaccines.
Delivery with Proof of Receipt (Evidence)ER / Emergency Visit:
Discreetly record yourself on your cell phone handing the documents to the admissions desk.
Your cell phone will provide a date stamp on the video. Simply say:
Courier Service:
“These are medications and treatments I cannot have. Please
add this to my electronic medical record.”
**********(Do not record other people — check your state’s recording laws.)
Send one copy of the Cover Letter + one copy of your notarized IDNCF™ to the CEO at the hospital’s physical address. (CEO title will suffice — the actual CEO name is not necessary.)
After business hours, weekends, or holidays — address it to the “House Supervisor.” Google
“Courier Delivery Near Me” and request same-day delivery (for an emergency) or delivery 1–2 days before upcoming hospital surgery.
For a scheduled date of surgery, deliver 1-2 days before the scheduled surgery date.
Have a friend or family member help if you are in the Emergency Room (ER)
Snail Mail (United States Postal Service, USPS):
Send one copy of the Cover Letter + one copy of the IDNCF™ using USPS Priority Mail Express (overnight) with Certified Mail + Return Receipt Requested. Address to the CEO at the hospital/facility’s physical address.
Hand Copies to Hospital Staff (As a reminder of drug and vaccine refusals)
• Give one copy to the Attending Physician.
• Give one copy to the Nurse.
• Give extra copies to any other caregivers as needed.
Keep These Items Safe
• Keep the Certified Mail number and Return Receipt signature.
• Keep the Courier Service receipt.
• Store the original notarized documents in a secure place.
PRO TIP: Keep a digital copy of notarized Cover Letter and IDNCF™ on your cell phone so
you can quickly share it via email or text when needed.
What they are supposed to do vs what they actually do are 2 different things. Sadly I've heard some hospitals have refused to print out the form. They give people no option other than to initial the ipad.
Personally I would fight for paper no matter what!
Yup. My papers said I got a flu shot while in a hemotologist office last week. Unless it was by the finger oxy thingy, NOPE. Or it came out of the ventilation system. The printout I get did say I had no Covid jabs on record.
I think there's overcharging on top of all the other madness. It doesn't matter if you received the jab or not. Doctor don't get paid if they don't meet quotas so they lie. All very sad.
That's awful. What if you had some sort of acute illness, and someone saw you had {allegedly} just gotten the flu shot and blamed it on that {unlikely, I know...} instead of properly evaluating you.
I despise shoddy medical record keeping, and I saw plenty of it when I was in the hospital some months back. You may wanna check an itemized bill to see if you or your insurance was charged for it. You can dispute the charge.
Every time they have me sign that invisible document I wonder how they can even legally rely on a signed document that the signer had no idea what they were signing. Every time. That thought rolls through my mind.
I think you have some printing to do before your Wednesday procedure.... maybe I should not only be the designated driver but offer to guard you during the procedure..... now I'm a little nervous! 😬
Oh sure, I you going to scrub up for the procedure. I can just imagine how that will go over with the nurses and doctors. I'm game to record it for you.
Yep, had this experience last night as they had my mom initial different boxes on an iPad that she had to reach under bullet proof glass to sign. There was no way she knew what she was consenting to. Also, it was the first time I’ve ever had to go through TSA screening just to walk into an ER waiting room.
Tell them you want to read it. That you don't sign stuff you haven't actually read. They may fumble around and tell you they don't have it and have to look for it, but just stand there and wait. "I don't sign stuff I haven't read."
And then yes, cross out anything you don't agree to and initial it. And use the I Do Not Consent Forms - follow the directions and give a copy to each doctor, anesthesiologist, and nurse that sees you.
We have had 2 encounters with the medical system in less than a week. Each time they wanted us to sign the little electronic pad and I said, "No, please print it out so that we can read it, and then we will sign it." The ER desk person was not happy about it, pointing to the consent form taped to her window, saying, "You can read it there." We just told her that we would sign the paper copy after reading it. Then we asked for copies of everything that we had signed. She was definitely put out that we wouldn't just comply with her request to sign her little e-sign pad. Today's check-in clerk was a little more friendly about it, and the doctor's nurse was actually cheerful about making copies of additional documents we had to sign.
I always say please and thank you (my mama raised me right), but I will not sign their e-signature pad. I have heard of hospitals taking your e-signature and applying to other documents (of course, I can't put my finger on the source at the moment!), so that it looks like you signed other documents.
I am so fed up with all of the garbage in every system in which our lives are involved! And to top it all off, our family doc, who has treated 4 generations of our family for the last 40 years(!!!!) is retiring this Friday. He has been a tremendous buffer against the worst of the more egregious medical mischief out there and we are going to miss him so very much.
This horrifies me for several reasons, mainly for perpetuating the idea that vaccines are so safe that we can conveniently bundle them into other procedures. (The same way they pressure pregnant women to take vaccines during their prenatal care). This protocol makes it impossible to separate vaccine reactions from surgery side effects. It also means families who are unaware their kids got a jab might vaccinate again at their primary care doc's office - which increases the risk of vaccine injury. The arrogance of this cavalier attitude is so dangerous and frankly, it's creepily close to entering the rape zone. If someone is unconscious, IT MEANS NO.
I would guess that the inability to separate vaccine side effects from surgery side effects was the whole point of it. And as for rape, they’ve been letting med students, residents, and interns perform gynecological exams on anesthetized women for decades. Shady shit is nothing new in medicine.
I'm pretty sure that has always been the case. In the 19th century, women died giving birth b/c docs didn't think hand washing was necessary; during the Great Flu epidemic docs overprescribed aspirin; then they did lobotomies; then they prescribed thalidomide for pregnant women; then they never bothered to find out that type 2 diabetes could be reversed without drugs; and they still haven't learned that seed oils are toxic and statins are unnecessary or that chlorine hydroxide and DMSO and olive leaf extract and plantain that grows in your yard actually will cure you of many things. There was a lot of other bad stuff that went on in between that list up there. In my view, allopathic medicine is a complete sham.
Actually CHRONIC medicine is a complete sham. Deadly fraud. Chronic < time=long-lasting, so not cured. The other kind of problem is ACUTE = short-term. Things like broken bones, a knitting needle in the heart and other traumas they FIX. They can be amazing and awesome with the things they actually understand.
As for me, I hate and avoid doctors and hospitals.
It's the best path for better health and a longer life living in a healthier state. If the medical mafia promoted health, they would only exist for emergency purposes.
WTF. Sorry for the profanity, but this is INSANITY! Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves. The ‘chip’ isn’t far away. This is a war between good and evil.
Oh and is anyone doing a study to see how many adverse effects occur from this?? NO of course not because that would harm Big pHarma's profits. And hospitals don't care cause they got paid.
“Bad Medicine follows the trail of hard evidence while laying out a step-by-step exposé of the tricks and tactics used to capture and control entire populations. Without understanding these methods we will remain vulnerable to future psychological operations.”
I will be promoting this film at a theater near me.
Join me in this effort. We have to fight this evil. 😈
Thanks for posting this, Laura! I may even try to attend the premiere. I can’t stand going to Beverly Thrills, but I could drag a few of my warriors and make it tolerable! 🤯❤️🙏
Anyway, I will definitely make a pitstop at The Beverly Hills Cheese Store to say hi to Tony and Norbert. The finest cheesemongers on the West Coast. Just stepping inside this cheese mecca is joy. 🤩
I like what you said, but now that we know the problem, we need to have solutions. Think health self awareness, (emphasis on the body actually being the Lord's temple) return of private/small consierge practice, no-excuses consierge emergency facility via subscription, legislation allowing the unobstructed existence of such concerns. My doctor is concierge, not currently accepting new patients, otherwise I'd happily post where allowed to.
My consierge doctor said if I go to a hospital, the doctors there make the decisions. He can't protect me once I'm in a hospital. I think that's likely true. When my mom, at 98, broke her wrist and was taken to the hospital, the doctors there took her off PPIs, which she never should have been on. They make bones brittle. There was no asking permission from the subscribing doctor.
No, no asking permission from the prescribing doctor... which is awful. So much for coordination of care.
At least in that case, their decision was a good one.
I, for one, have become quite independently-minded, and if I was using a med or resource that was helping me, I would keep using it regardless of what some other physician told me. I have a functional med DC that I trust - even they tell me "you call the shots."
I saw Sandra's post and you're on the right track. Even before the dreaded '20s I could see that hospitals had their own special set of crazy protocols geared to corporate fraud, the doctors and staff were cocky and on the lookout for any ploy to wangle a profitable code number to apply to whatever they did.
I've already figured out that my goose is cooked if I go anywhere and flash an insurance or social services payment/patient ID, in hospitals especially! Big Med is dead, long live skin-in-the-game consierge. Oh, and don't worry about oversight of any sort. If word gets around that an organisation has a high failure rate, no matter the reason, you and I aren't tied there if we're actually footing the bill!
To give you an idea of what medical care would cost in a true free market, my naturopath (not accepted by insurance) charges $400 an hour, prorated. ($100 per quarter hour.) I have no idea what insurance companies charge or pay out for a doc visit (since it’s mostly hidden), but I’m sure it’s comparable or less to the doctor. They also do lab work without going through insurance, which is about 1/4 the cost of what a lab charges my insurance company. Everybody wants their piece.
Colorado hospitals admitted they vaccinated 18,000 children when they were unconscious or sedated. It was on a CHD post the same day.
My hemotologist visit last week said on my print out I got a flu shot. I was sitting in a chair awake the whole time and did not get a flu shot. Nor was I asked. I think I’d know. I’m going to ask if I can get ahold of someone. The record does correctly show i got ZERO Covid shots.
Sometimes I have to comment before I read the whole thing so I don’t forget. Emphasis on the “forget”. 😀. I think I was shocked but maybe not. Infuriated, yes. Sickened, yes. Desiring 24/7 vax delivery to the monsters doing this. Big YES. Or prison cells and I got a flu shot that never happened on my record and a charge, I assume.
Well, in healthcare they have a mantra: “If it wasn’t documented, it wasn’t done.” So, I guess the inverse is possible: “If it was documented, it was done.” Neither of these are legitimate proof that something was or wasn’t done.
Not to open another can of worms, but...Doctors receive ridiculously low payments for the care they provide by private insurers, Medicare, and Medicaid. That's because those entities control how much the doctors are allowed to bill for their services (sometimes called reasonable and customary charges). And then those approved charges are further reduced by the percentage stipulated by the patient's insurance contract (a doctor visit might be approved for $100, but the insurer is only required to pay 80% of that). None of that takes into consideration the costs the doctor must absorb just to maintain their practice, things like malpractice insurance, rent, medical staff, supplies, and people whose only job is to file claims, track payments, and bill patients for the amounts their insurer didn't pay. It wouldn't surprise me if insurers received claims for a few things the doctor didn't provide, like vaccinations or complex services in addition to an office visit. It's not honest and I wouldn't condone that. But I would understand the motivation. We're all ensnared in a system that greatly limits the quality of care we're given. Doctors see that just as their patients do. And most of them are as helpless as their patients to change it.
Have you heard about that doctor who was scrubbed and ready to do a breast reconstruction on a cancer patient who was anesthetized on the table when the insurance company called her in the OR and told her not to proceed because they would not pay? She’s been doing interviews all over the place. Then when the patient had to stay overnight in the hospital (one night!) they charged her $100,000??? They ended up rescinding the charge because the doctor went public. Criminals!
And it's not just health insurers that are refusing to pay claims. We have a claim for damage to our home that our insurer refuses to pay. We've had to file suit to recover what they owe us. And they're just one of several insurers who are being investigated by Congress for non-payment of claims.
The whole system is messed up. Ever try to get counseling if you’re on medicare? It’s pretty much all self pay because counselors/businesses don’t get reimbursed enough. They won’t take you unless you’ll do self pay.
When my husband was diagnosed with Parkinsons I tried to make an appointment for some short-term counseling. I'm on Medicare but I have a very good stand-alone policy, not a Medicare supplement, that pays generous benefits as a secondary insurer. They would not give me an appointment. I was too much of an emotional mess at that point to pursue their explanation, but I suspect that it was because I'm on Medicare.
Please don't make me shed a single tear for those poor Drs. If they had balls and brains they would get out of the system and be independant and learn holistic medicine. Poor, poor Drs. They don't even know how the body operates with nutrition. They are the Pharma street pushers of chemicals. And those chemicals all exist in natural form in mother nature.
Many do, but they face obstacles from the state, the AMA and other professional organizations, and insurers. My doctor practices holistically but does take Medicare and private insurance. Shortly after I started with her all the private insurers who had been paying claims from her office were threatening to refuse to continue. The only reason she is still taking patients with insurance is that her patients complained to the right entities, and she found a good attorney to argue her case. But she could still be shut off from being able to submit insurance claims in the future. There are some physicians who have gone to a cash-only practice. Most of them use alternative medicine and they're great if you can afford them. But they also run the risk of being shut down because they don't adhere to the "standard of care" determined by the professional and government entities who are invested in keeping people from therapies that actually help. And let's not forget that doctors have bills too. It's almost automatic that most people see all doctors as wealthy. But they have families to support and student loans to pay just like the rest of us.
My 22 yo daughter tried to take her life 2x this year - thankfully they were not immediately life threatening events, however she did cut herself. They gave her a “tetanus shot” BOTH TIMES. - of course a tetanus shot is not simply a tetanus shot - it’s a DPT combo vaccine. The hospital did this while she was sedated. She found out about it when reviewing her medical records after the fact. She was never vaccinated as a child, and despite her cries for help, she really doesn’t want to end her life - she was incredibly angry and felt violated. It’s unconscionable.
And...we watched The Cholesterol Code on Prime last week. Eating a ketogenic diet was one gal's key to reversing Bi-Polar disorder. Drugs and pHarma didn't do anything for this lady, and she spent years missing out on her own life due to her mental state. But once she went ketogenic, her life changed. I am so sorry about your daughter. May the Lord help you and her find your way through and be blessed. ♥
Dr. Perlmutter's work is great, too ~ and, in this case, he's endorsing Dr. Ede's book. Both physicians are great leaders in the use of diet to support mental health and vibrant living! 💝
All the F*cking above. My body, their choice. These corporations and the psychopaths running them literally think they own us.
For the sane, this is completely insane, but for the propagandized who havent looked behind the curtain, this is completely normal. There is a reason there are "flu shot" signs everywhere from gas stations to grocery stores to your local Costco. It's so "normal" to get your flu shot that getting it under another medical procedure is "convenient". It's the same reason why a lot of ignorant and well meaning parents give their kids 5-6 shots in one visit. Convenience.
I also have to practice restraint about the propaganda all over the pharmacies and supermarkets but they are getting ever more aggressive. I was recently approached in the grocery store by an employee carrying a clipboard full of vaccination consent forms who "reminded" me that it's "that time of year again." Aaaaaarrrrrrrgggghhhhh!
KBB - I think I would have whipped out my phone and shown that person the hundreds of pics of clots and asked them if they knew what they were. And then their re-education would begin.
What I actually said was "The next time I want medical advice from a grocery clerk, I'll be in touch." Said it smiling and she smiled back. I don't think she processed what I'd actually said until after I had moved along.
"This delightful initiative reportedly kicked off in October of 2020"
Of course it did. Routine "care" took a back seat to the "pandemic" for much of that year, and too many kids "fell behind" on their scheduled injections.
I sometimes wonder what the length of the average human lifespan would look like, as split between all-out, trust the science, medical intervention, and a well-researched, minimalist, longevity-focused strategy. The same perhaps with the latter being of considerably less drama and expense than the former? God knows!
Amish are my favorites. The true believers are on the right track. They are who I would expect to see were I to experience what I've seen in scripture so far, should I be in His good graces. Their maker and His Son, not His creation, are the stars of the production. Amish are the targets of jocularity which bear witness to Matthew 5:5 and are truly the essence, I expect, of humility and selflessness. Glad that you mentioned them, because we could all benefit by following their example!
Most of these hospitals are also "nonprofits." What a joke. I have no affiliations with any hospitals and I do my best to keep my patients out of hospitals.
This makes me so damn MAD!! How dare they?? I’d like to drop kick anybody who treats my health, my decisions & my rights as some sort of lame suggestion!! I’d really would rather face a firing squad, than deal with any hospital employee!!
Makes me wonder…if they can give life-saving medical treatment to a car-accident victim who is brought in alone by ambulance, with no one to sign any forms, are the forms just a CYA for them after the fact, or are they actually pumping everyone full of this shite regardless of approval and just seeking approval from family later via “hospitalists” who should have never been invented because they aren’t doctors and aren’t bound by any medical ethics?
Actually, hospitalists are technically physicians. They just don’t have outside practices. That makes them suspicious as heck, and they are probably more likely to do what’s best for the facility, rather than the patient, but they are indeed doctors.
Ok, then if they ARE licensed doctors, and they protect the “needs” of the hospital (profits and liabilities) over the needs of the patient, then the Hippocratic oath means nothing and no one should ever trust any hospital ever again.
Which is probably where we actually are as a society and not everyone wants to see it yet.
Good points. And if we are smart we avoid being prey to such, ie:curbing aggresive behavior in traffic, stunting on youtube, maxxing out capability, the list goes on.....
When you used to sign the form when being admitted as a patient it was all on paper. Now I hear it's on an ipad so you cannot cross out anything you disagree with. I don't think you can be admitted as a patient if you don't sign it.
Even if you explicitly say no to any jabs I don't think they would listen. Because as we all know it's about the money. The more jabs they give out it's more $$ for them.
It's crap like this that makes people not trust the medical profession or ever want to step foot inside a hospital.
Add to that: I have a friend who used to work in the mortgage industry. He told me that if a customer was awful to deal with, they had a line item they could (AND DID) add to the tab. (He called it "the a$$hole tax" but it had an official sounding name--like Underwriting Courier Insurance Fee or something.) Not a single customer ever noticed or called it out. In the ER they could lump vaccines in with "vital fluids" or some such...
Jenna, I think the gal who wrote the No Consent form said hospitals refer to vaccines as “biologics” or something like that to disguise the truth.
Yup! There are a few different names… It’s in the linked story…😉
That's horrible! It's good I have no need for a mortgage (not that I would ever be an a$$hole about it) but I pray I never end up in a hospital.
It has been my philosophy to not owe money to anyone. If so only what you are sure to pay back in a short moment.
Despicable.
My son was admitted for a burst appendix several months ago. We had notorized copies of the consent forms ready. I brought them with to the ER and into his room when admitted. They didn’t know what to do with them and treated me like I was wrapped in tinfoil like a burrito. (I pretty much was and with good reason.) They were literally confused by the forms, had never seen them before, and were flippant with them. They just took them from me and smiled with a blank stare. I made it clear that no doctor was allowed near him without having first read the consent forms. I left one on his bedside table and taped one to the “hello your nurse/doctor today is…” white board. Later every doctor I spoke to was unaware of the forms. 🤨 The surgeon had not seen them. There was NO WAY to get anything in writing summarizing exactly what they did in the surgery. “That will be updated in MyChart over the next few weeks, ma’am.” Well how convenient for them and too late for my son. If I ask for it I should be given it right there and then.
The whole process left me concerned over what actually happened and whether or not the patient legitimately can give consent of any kind even when they try to.
First of all, WAY TO GO MAMA BEAR!!! I love this with all of my heart. I also forwarded your note to Laura to get her thoughts. I guarantee (from all I've heard/read) that just knowing how adamant you were probably kept them on their little toes... but I'll report back! :)
Wow! the disrespect by hospital staff is a whole other issue. I absolutely hate our doom care system, yes doom.
That's a reason I have never had anesthesia. Nerve blocks yes but I watch and listen what they are doing. Even colonoscopies no anesthesia.
Hospitals are where you go to die or get sicker. I cannot stand setting a foot into those places.
Hello JuJu! I'm so sorry about your son's appendix - how scary! Firstly, how old was your son? (hopefully 18+ because it's only for adults with capacity to make their own decisions). Secondly, how were the forms delivered? Per IDoNotConsentForm.com they need to be delivered with proof of delivery/receipt (courier service + certified mail return receipt requested. When the IDNCF™ is delivered as directed, it holds the hospital and doctor accountable to honor your refusals because the document makes its way into the patient's electronic medical record. It's paramount that the hospital knows that you KNOW that they received your form.
Laura, I used the forms when I had emergency surgery a few months back (also appendix), and I never received back the return receipt post card from the mailed item. I know it got to the hospital, and there is a signature recorded online at the USPS website... but nobody there bothered to sign and return the green post card. I even spoke with the postman who delivered the item, and he was told that since the hospital has their own internal mail delivery system, they said they'd take care of it. Maddening.
A friend mailed it Priority Mail with return receipt - or something like that.
I also handed copies to each person I saw, although post-op I forgot to give one to my new hospitalists. Thankfully I was able to self-advocate and tell them what I did and did not want.
Hi Amy! Thanks for the feedback! Did you also send via courier delivery?Per the instructions at IDNCF™, you need to send in both ways so that if once fails, there’s a redundant proof of delivery. Not either/or - both. I’m sorry the USPS screwed the pooch…. Ugh! Our instructions also advise discreetly recording with your cell phone handing the form to the admissions desk and requesting that the form be placed in your electronic medical record as a 3rd proof of receipt. it’s a lot, I know! But it is what it is, right? Your consent wishes are only protected as much as you can prove they were communicated. The proof of delivery is KEY. Once you’ve done all that, verify that the form actually made it into the electronic medical record by visibly searching the EMR. To verify that the doctor in fact did NOT violate your wishes - request an itemized bill from the hospital after discharge. To hold their feet to the fire make that request in writing via email. Always create a paper trail. Always keep receipts of delivery. Sorry about your Appendix - I had to have surgery over a decade ago. That pain felt like I had eaten glass chips!! ouch!
Thanks Laura. Strangely I have no notification for your reply in my activity screen. I only saw it just now because I DID just receive two for Amy’s replies. (And one was from the 26th too but I only just now got a notice. I wonder how many others I’ve missed in the past!)
My son is 28, but we are his guardians. His admission was under emergency circumstances. His appendix actually was just about to burst and we caught it in the nick of time. It was also after hours. I did read all the instructions from the DoNotConsentForm site with we initially filled them out and had them notorized two years ago, and each of our copies had a cover sheet with those instructions on it to remind me. But in our circumstances it all happened so fast with the surgery about 8 hours after admission. I had no time to do any kind of certified mail or courier stuff and had all copies on me. No family or close friends around either that most people could utilize. So I did the best I could urging them to put it into his record and handing it to anyone that came into his room. My instructions didn’t have the trigger about recording my request, I’ll be sure to add that for future reference. It’s a lot more intimidating and overwhelming when it actually happens. I had imagined situations in my head and practiced it all out, but when it actually was needed it was so much different. You’re pulled in 10 different directions with focus and dealing with attitudes and emotions of the staff who are distracted 100x worse. It almost felt silly to be honest. I hated that, because I valued what it was supposed to do.
Juju, I'm so sorry about your son's appendix!! That hurts so bad!! As if dealing with a medical emergency wasn't bad enough (a traumatic, stressful, chaotic event) you ad to simultaneously navigate a very new refusal process and flawed system. Please don't hesitate to reach out to me anytime if you ever end up in a similar situation day or night - sometimes it just takes a voice outside the chaos of the moment to gently remind you of something in the process. Just leave a message if I can't pick up immediately at (888) 219-3637 and I'll call you right back. I hope your son is feeling much better!! He's very blessed to have a mom like you!!
Wow, how do we protect our children if it's only for adults?! I better go back and read the post with the IDNCF because I do not remember reading about the necessary form delivery requirements, either. 🤦🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️
I DO NOT CONSENT FORM™ GENERAL INSTRUCTIONS
For Competent Legal Adults (18+) Able to Make Their Own Medical Decisions
IMPORTANT: Read every word of these instructions before you begin. Prepare NOW so you
have this form ready to use for emergency hospital care or elective surgery. This helps ensure you
do NOT accidentally or intentionally receive unwanted drugs, protocols, vaccines, or treatments.
Unlike Advance Directives (which apply only when you cannot speak for yourself), this is a
“Right Now” document. It overrides the hospital’s broad general consent form and, if violated,
carries significant legal consequences for the doctor and facility.
Proof of delivery is key!
HOW TO COMPLETE YOUR IDNCF™ COVER LETTER TO HOSPITAL CEO
• Complete all blanks in the Cover Letter except the “signature” line.
• Only sign the Cover Letter in front of a Notary Public (it must be witnessed and
notarized).
• Next — complete the I DO NOT CONSENT FORM™ (IDNCF™).
HOW TO COMPLETE YOUR I DO NOT CONSENT FORM™ (IDNCF™)
How to Mark Your Choices
• Use only your initials in the blank line to the left of each item.
• Do NOT use a checkmark (✓) or an “X”.
• Your initials show the doctor that you have read and intentionally selected that item.
Things You Do NOT Want (that are not listed as an item to select) :
In the section “I ALSO DO NOT CONSENT TO THE FOLLOWING”, write any allergies,
medications, treatments, or procedures you refuse. After writing your notes, initial the line to the
left of them.
WARNING: Do not add any “end of life” items such as brain apnea test, organ donation, DNR,
or similar. Doing so could result in unwanted consequences, including delayed or cancelled care
if it’s not an emergency. Per individual state health law, those items belong in an End-of-Life
document, such as an Advance Directive or Living Will
Things You DO Want (that are not listed as an item to select):
In the section “I ALSO REQUEST AND CONSENT TO THE FOLLOWING”, write any
specific treatments or care you want. After writing your notes, initial the line to the left of them.
Notarize the Documents. Sign both the Cover Letter and the IDNCF™ only in front of a notary public.
Make Copies. Make at least 10 copies of the notarized documents.
Store the Originals. Keep the original notarized Cover Letter and original notarized
IDNCF™ in a safe, secure place.
ATTENTION: REFUSING COVID-19 VACCINE CONTAMINATED BLOOD:
For Elective Surgery – Blood / Transfusion Planning (Do This Weeks Ahead of Surgery)
Immediately contact the hospital’s blood bank or surgery department and confirm that they will
allow you to:
• Bank your own blood (autologous donation), or
• Accept directed donations from chosen unvaccinated donors.
Contact SafeBlood.com or BlessedByHisBlood.com as soon as possible. These organizations can
help arrange safe blood options, but they require several days or weeks of lead time before
surgery. Also, please recognize that not all hospitals can accommodate your request for
unvaccinated blood at this time.
HOW TO DELIVER THE FORM (ER Visit or Elective Hospital Surgery):
ONLY DELIVER this document to the ER or Surgi-Center after you are enrolled as an
active patient with an active chart and medical record number.
IMPORTANT: When signing hospital admission papers (like the General Consent form), only give them a copy — never hand over your signed original.
WHEN YOU ARE A NEW PATIENT: At the same time you turn in the hospital’s admissions paperwork, give them your I Do Not Consent Form™. This lets the hospital know exactly what you refuse, such as certain drugs, blood transfusions, or vaccines.
Delivery with Proof of Receipt (Evidence)ER / Emergency Visit:
Discreetly record yourself on your cell phone handing the documents to the admissions desk.
Your cell phone will provide a date stamp on the video. Simply say:
Courier Service:
“These are medications and treatments I cannot have. Please
add this to my electronic medical record.”
**********(Do not record other people — check your state’s recording laws.)
Send one copy of the Cover Letter + one copy of your notarized IDNCF™ to the CEO at the hospital’s physical address. (CEO title will suffice — the actual CEO name is not necessary.)
After business hours, weekends, or holidays — address it to the “House Supervisor.” Google
“Courier Delivery Near Me” and request same-day delivery (for an emergency) or delivery 1–2 days before upcoming hospital surgery.
For a scheduled date of surgery, deliver 1-2 days before the scheduled surgery date.
Have a friend or family member help if you are in the Emergency Room (ER)
Snail Mail (United States Postal Service, USPS):
Send one copy of the Cover Letter + one copy of the IDNCF™ using USPS Priority Mail Express (overnight) with Certified Mail + Return Receipt Requested. Address to the CEO at the hospital/facility’s physical address.
Hand Copies to Hospital Staff (As a reminder of drug and vaccine refusals)
• Give one copy to the Attending Physician.
• Give one copy to the Nurse.
• Give extra copies to any other caregivers as needed.
Keep These Items Safe
• Keep the Certified Mail number and Return Receipt signature.
• Keep the Courier Service receipt.
• Store the original notarized documents in a secure place.
PRO TIP: Keep a digital copy of notarized Cover Letter and IDNCF™ on your cell phone so
you can quickly share it via email or text when needed.
Exactly what I thought would happen!
The notion that a doctor or anyone in the hospital will stop and ready your consent form arts and crafts is laughable.
Try to avoid hospitals at all costs, and if you do have to go have a watchdog (close family member or friend) with you at ALL times.
Go read the referenced link to 'I do not consent' as you specifically have to request paper, which they have to provide.
What they are supposed to do vs what they actually do are 2 different things. Sadly I've heard some hospitals have refused to print out the form. They give people no option other than to initial the ipad.
Personally I would fight for paper no matter what!
Yup. My papers said I got a flu shot while in a hemotologist office last week. Unless it was by the finger oxy thingy, NOPE. Or it came out of the ventilation system. The printout I get did say I had no Covid jabs on record.
I think there's overcharging on top of all the other madness. It doesn't matter if you received the jab or not. Doctor don't get paid if they don't meet quotas so they lie. All very sad.
Although I don't condone dishonesty, I'd rather they lie about giving me a vaccine I don't want than to actually get the darn thing.
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I agree. I would rather be charged than get jabbed. If it goes very badly it could cost you so much more.
Yep!
That's awful. What if you had some sort of acute illness, and someone saw you had {allegedly} just gotten the flu shot and blamed it on that {unlikely, I know...} instead of properly evaluating you.
I despise shoddy medical record keeping, and I saw plenty of it when I was in the hospital some months back. You may wanna check an itemized bill to see if you or your insurance was charged for it. You can dispute the charge.
Every time they have me sign that invisible document I wonder how they can even legally rely on a signed document that the signer had no idea what they were signing. Every time. That thought rolls through my mind.
I think you have some printing to do before your Wednesday procedure.... maybe I should not only be the designated driver but offer to guard you during the procedure..... now I'm a little nervous! 😬
I thought of that but I think I’ll just trust God.
Oh sure, I you going to scrub up for the procedure. I can just imagine how that will go over with the nurses and doctors. I'm game to record it for you.
Yep, had this experience last night as they had my mom initial different boxes on an iPad that she had to reach under bullet proof glass to sign. There was no way she knew what she was consenting to. Also, it was the first time I’ve ever had to go through TSA screening just to walk into an ER waiting room.
Starsky I hope your Mom will be ok after it's all said & done.
Same.
Tell them you want to read it. That you don't sign stuff you haven't actually read. They may fumble around and tell you they don't have it and have to look for it, but just stand there and wait. "I don't sign stuff I haven't read."
And then yes, cross out anything you don't agree to and initial it. And use the I Do Not Consent Forms - follow the directions and give a copy to each doctor, anesthesiologist, and nurse that sees you.
"not trusting" puts it way too mildly
Indeed so. 'Medical profession' anagrams to:
- dim fecal poisoners
So there's that too.
We have had 2 encounters with the medical system in less than a week. Each time they wanted us to sign the little electronic pad and I said, "No, please print it out so that we can read it, and then we will sign it." The ER desk person was not happy about it, pointing to the consent form taped to her window, saying, "You can read it there." We just told her that we would sign the paper copy after reading it. Then we asked for copies of everything that we had signed. She was definitely put out that we wouldn't just comply with her request to sign her little e-sign pad. Today's check-in clerk was a little more friendly about it, and the doctor's nurse was actually cheerful about making copies of additional documents we had to sign.
I always say please and thank you (my mama raised me right), but I will not sign their e-signature pad. I have heard of hospitals taking your e-signature and applying to other documents (of course, I can't put my finger on the source at the moment!), so that it looks like you signed other documents.
I am so fed up with all of the garbage in every system in which our lives are involved! And to top it all off, our family doc, who has treated 4 generations of our family for the last 40 years(!!!!) is retiring this Friday. He has been a tremendous buffer against the worst of the more egregious medical mischief out there and we are going to miss him so very much.
Mrs. "the Knife"
And I think they can change it after you sign it.
I would not put it past them to do that:-(
This horrifies me for several reasons, mainly for perpetuating the idea that vaccines are so safe that we can conveniently bundle them into other procedures. (The same way they pressure pregnant women to take vaccines during their prenatal care). This protocol makes it impossible to separate vaccine reactions from surgery side effects. It also means families who are unaware their kids got a jab might vaccinate again at their primary care doc's office - which increases the risk of vaccine injury. The arrogance of this cavalier attitude is so dangerous and frankly, it's creepily close to entering the rape zone. If someone is unconscious, IT MEANS NO.
EXCELLENT POINTS!
🎯💯# TJ Goerlitz & Jenna McCarthy!
I would guess that the inability to separate vaccine side effects from surgery side effects was the whole point of it. And as for rape, they’ve been letting med students, residents, and interns perform gynecological exams on anesthetized women for decades. Shady shit is nothing new in medicine.
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We’re in a very sad state, when avoiding hospitals and doctors is the best path to survive.
🎯💯@jpeach!
I'm pretty sure that has always been the case. In the 19th century, women died giving birth b/c docs didn't think hand washing was necessary; during the Great Flu epidemic docs overprescribed aspirin; then they did lobotomies; then they prescribed thalidomide for pregnant women; then they never bothered to find out that type 2 diabetes could be reversed without drugs; and they still haven't learned that seed oils are toxic and statins are unnecessary or that chlorine hydroxide and DMSO and olive leaf extract and plantain that grows in your yard actually will cure you of many things. There was a lot of other bad stuff that went on in between that list up there. In my view, allopathic medicine is a complete sham.
Actually CHRONIC medicine is a complete sham. Deadly fraud. Chronic < time=long-lasting, so not cured. The other kind of problem is ACUTE = short-term. Things like broken bones, a knitting needle in the heart and other traumas they FIX. They can be amazing and awesome with the things they actually understand.
As for me, I hate and avoid doctors and hospitals.
I avoid them too.
exactly how I feel!
It's the best path for better health and a longer life living in a healthier state. If the medical mafia promoted health, they would only exist for emergency purposes.
WTF. Sorry for the profanity, but this is INSANITY! Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves. The ‘chip’ isn’t far away. This is a war between good and evil.
Well, we can all thank John McCain for not ending Obamacare!
That asshole. I hope he is roasting in hell.
Oh and is anyone doing a study to see how many adverse effects occur from this?? NO of course not because that would harm Big pHarma's profits. And hospitals don't care cause they got paid.
Whatever happened to Do No Harm?!
Apparently now a quaint suggestion.
🎯💯@ NewKid & The Great Santini!
Some of you may have heard me quote my dear (embalmer) friend, Richard Hirschman - “we win this war from the bottom up, not the top down”.
https://badmedicinemovie.org/
“Bad Medicine follows the trail of hard evidence while laying out a step-by-step exposé of the tricks and tactics used to capture and control entire populations. Without understanding these methods we will remain vulnerable to future psychological operations.”
I will be promoting this film at a theater near me.
Join me in this effort. We have to fight this evil. 😈
Thanks for posting this, Laura! I may even try to attend the premiere. I can’t stand going to Beverly Thrills, but I could drag a few of my warriors and make it tolerable! 🤯❤️🙏
Wonderful Kat!
I would join you and your peeps if it wasn’t so far from NE Ohio. The premiere at the Malibu Film Festival is November 15th.
Yep! Malibu Film Festival in Beverly Thrills! 🤯😂
Anyway, I will definitely make a pitstop at The Beverly Hills Cheese Store to say hi to Tony and Norbert. The finest cheesemongers on the West Coast. Just stepping inside this cheese mecca is joy. 🤩
Laura, keep reminding us as we get closer. ‘Coming to a theater near you….😉
I like what you said, but now that we know the problem, we need to have solutions. Think health self awareness, (emphasis on the body actually being the Lord's temple) return of private/small consierge practice, no-excuses consierge emergency facility via subscription, legislation allowing the unobstructed existence of such concerns. My doctor is concierge, not currently accepting new patients, otherwise I'd happily post where allowed to.
My consierge doctor said if I go to a hospital, the doctors there make the decisions. He can't protect me once I'm in a hospital. I think that's likely true. When my mom, at 98, broke her wrist and was taken to the hospital, the doctors there took her off PPIs, which she never should have been on. They make bones brittle. There was no asking permission from the subscribing doctor.
No, no asking permission from the prescribing doctor... which is awful. So much for coordination of care.
At least in that case, their decision was a good one.
I, for one, have become quite independently-minded, and if I was using a med or resource that was helping me, I would keep using it regardless of what some other physician told me. I have a functional med DC that I trust - even they tell me "you call the shots."
I saw Sandra's post and you're on the right track. Even before the dreaded '20s I could see that hospitals had their own special set of crazy protocols geared to corporate fraud, the doctors and staff were cocky and on the lookout for any ploy to wangle a profitable code number to apply to whatever they did.
I've already figured out that my goose is cooked if I go anywhere and flash an insurance or social services payment/patient ID, in hospitals especially! Big Med is dead, long live skin-in-the-game consierge. Oh, and don't worry about oversight of any sort. If word gets around that an organisation has a high failure rate, no matter the reason, you and I aren't tied there if we're actually footing the bill!
To give you an idea of what medical care would cost in a true free market, my naturopath (not accepted by insurance) charges $400 an hour, prorated. ($100 per quarter hour.) I have no idea what insurance companies charge or pay out for a doc visit (since it’s mostly hidden), but I’m sure it’s comparable or less to the doctor. They also do lab work without going through insurance, which is about 1/4 the cost of what a lab charges my insurance company. Everybody wants their piece.
Well said, John.
Colorado hospitals admitted they vaccinated 18,000 children when they were unconscious or sedated. It was on a CHD post the same day.
My hemotologist visit last week said on my print out I got a flu shot. I was sitting in a chair awake the whole time and did not get a flu shot. Nor was I asked. I think I’d know. I’m going to ask if I can get ahold of someone. The record does correctly show i got ZERO Covid shots.
I included the CO stuff and WOW! I guess it's better for them to lie about giving it to you than to lie about NOT giving it to you?!?!
Sometimes I have to comment before I read the whole thing so I don’t forget. Emphasis on the “forget”. 😀. I think I was shocked but maybe not. Infuriated, yes. Sickened, yes. Desiring 24/7 vax delivery to the monsters doing this. Big YES. Or prison cells and I got a flu shot that never happened on my record and a charge, I assume.
Well, in healthcare they have a mantra: “If it wasn’t documented, it wasn’t done.” So, I guess the inverse is possible: “If it was documented, it was done.” Neither of these are legitimate proof that something was or wasn’t done.
Not to open another can of worms, but...Doctors receive ridiculously low payments for the care they provide by private insurers, Medicare, and Medicaid. That's because those entities control how much the doctors are allowed to bill for their services (sometimes called reasonable and customary charges). And then those approved charges are further reduced by the percentage stipulated by the patient's insurance contract (a doctor visit might be approved for $100, but the insurer is only required to pay 80% of that). None of that takes into consideration the costs the doctor must absorb just to maintain their practice, things like malpractice insurance, rent, medical staff, supplies, and people whose only job is to file claims, track payments, and bill patients for the amounts their insurer didn't pay. It wouldn't surprise me if insurers received claims for a few things the doctor didn't provide, like vaccinations or complex services in addition to an office visit. It's not honest and I wouldn't condone that. But I would understand the motivation. We're all ensnared in a system that greatly limits the quality of care we're given. Doctors see that just as their patients do. And most of them are as helpless as their patients to change it.
Have you heard about that doctor who was scrubbed and ready to do a breast reconstruction on a cancer patient who was anesthetized on the table when the insurance company called her in the OR and told her not to proceed because they would not pay? She’s been doing interviews all over the place. Then when the patient had to stay overnight in the hospital (one night!) they charged her $100,000??? They ended up rescinding the charge because the doctor went public. Criminals!
And it's not just health insurers that are refusing to pay claims. We have a claim for damage to our home that our insurer refuses to pay. We've had to file suit to recover what they owe us. And they're just one of several insurers who are being investigated by Congress for non-payment of claims.
The whole system is messed up. Ever try to get counseling if you’re on medicare? It’s pretty much all self pay because counselors/businesses don’t get reimbursed enough. They won’t take you unless you’ll do self pay.
When my husband was diagnosed with Parkinsons I tried to make an appointment for some short-term counseling. I'm on Medicare but I have a very good stand-alone policy, not a Medicare supplement, that pays generous benefits as a secondary insurer. They would not give me an appointment. I was too much of an emotional mess at that point to pursue their explanation, but I suspect that it was because I'm on Medicare.
Please don't make me shed a single tear for those poor Drs. If they had balls and brains they would get out of the system and be independant and learn holistic medicine. Poor, poor Drs. They don't even know how the body operates with nutrition. They are the Pharma street pushers of chemicals. And those chemicals all exist in natural form in mother nature.
Many do, but they face obstacles from the state, the AMA and other professional organizations, and insurers. My doctor practices holistically but does take Medicare and private insurance. Shortly after I started with her all the private insurers who had been paying claims from her office were threatening to refuse to continue. The only reason she is still taking patients with insurance is that her patients complained to the right entities, and she found a good attorney to argue her case. But she could still be shut off from being able to submit insurance claims in the future. There are some physicians who have gone to a cash-only practice. Most of them use alternative medicine and they're great if you can afford them. But they also run the risk of being shut down because they don't adhere to the "standard of care" determined by the professional and government entities who are invested in keeping people from therapies that actually help. And let's not forget that doctors have bills too. It's almost automatic that most people see all doctors as wealthy. But they have families to support and student loans to pay just like the rest of us.
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Maybe the office is “billing” for the flu shot. Fraud
Someone in the system had to enter the billing code.
It’s all about the vaccination code so they meet their quota and get their “provider incentive.”
Starting to wonder if your surveys should include the "You can't hate (BLANK) enough. I think it could be a natural fit most days.
"Apparently, getting your tonsils removed now comes with an optional side of Pfizer."
"Optional" just like the CDC schedule is only a "recommendation".
My 22 yo daughter tried to take her life 2x this year - thankfully they were not immediately life threatening events, however she did cut herself. They gave her a “tetanus shot” BOTH TIMES. - of course a tetanus shot is not simply a tetanus shot - it’s a DPT combo vaccine. The hospital did this while she was sedated. She found out about it when reviewing her medical records after the fact. She was never vaccinated as a child, and despite her cries for help, she really doesn’t want to end her life - she was incredibly angry and felt violated. It’s unconscionable.
OMG! What a nightmare. So very sorry about all that she (and you) have been going through. 😢🙏💔
Hope your daughter finds a path forward out of all this.
Are you familiar, by any chance, with Dr. Ede's work on diet and mental health?
> https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/change-your-diet-change-your-mind
Ah! Dr Perlmutter! I’ve read some of his work but not this one.
And...we watched The Cholesterol Code on Prime last week. Eating a ketogenic diet was one gal's key to reversing Bi-Polar disorder. Drugs and pHarma didn't do anything for this lady, and she spent years missing out on her own life due to her mental state. But once she went ketogenic, her life changed. I am so sorry about your daughter. May the Lord help you and her find your way through and be blessed. ♥
Thank you so much! Diet is definitely important. What’s hard is knowing that there’s only so much I can do to help - she has to want the change. 💔
Dr. Perlmutter's work is great, too ~ and, in this case, he's endorsing Dr. Ede's book. Both physicians are great leaders in the use of diet to support mental health and vibrant living! 💝
Thank you!
You are most welcome! 🥰
No, I not, but I will check it out!
Good luck! 🍀 I do hope it helps. 💕
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Wow!
All the F*cking above. My body, their choice. These corporations and the psychopaths running them literally think they own us.
For the sane, this is completely insane, but for the propagandized who havent looked behind the curtain, this is completely normal. There is a reason there are "flu shot" signs everywhere from gas stations to grocery stores to your local Costco. It's so "normal" to get your flu shot that getting it under another medical procedure is "convenient". It's the same reason why a lot of ignorant and well meaning parents give their kids 5-6 shots in one visit. Convenience.
Vee - every time I see one of those signs, it takes great restraint for me not to kick them over.
I'm with you! Or smash the screen with a rock. It's infuriating.
I also have to practice restraint about the propaganda all over the pharmacies and supermarkets but they are getting ever more aggressive. I was recently approached in the grocery store by an employee carrying a clipboard full of vaccination consent forms who "reminded" me that it's "that time of year again." Aaaaaarrrrrrrgggghhhhh!
Yes, and I always notice increased number of ambulances and fire EMTs on the road this time of year.
KBB - I think I would have whipped out my phone and shown that person the hundreds of pics of clots and asked them if they knew what they were. And then their re-education would begin.
That might make them curious. Which is the first step in getting a clue.
What I actually said was "The next time I want medical advice from a grocery clerk, I'll be in touch." Said it smiling and she smiled back. I don't think she processed what I'd actually said until after I had moved along.
Time of year for what?? Oh, right. Time for me to punch them in the face.
This sounds like one exercise of civil disobedience i would totally be down for.
"This delightful initiative reportedly kicked off in October of 2020"
Of course it did. Routine "care" took a back seat to the "pandemic" for much of that year, and too many kids "fell behind" on their scheduled injections.
I sometimes wonder what the length of the average human lifespan would look like, as split between all-out, trust the science, medical intervention, and a well-researched, minimalist, longevity-focused strategy. The same perhaps with the latter being of considerably less drama and expense than the former? God knows!
Probably the best way to see the minimalist group would be to look at stats for the Amish.
I have read that our average lifespan has dropped a year or so in the last decade.
Amish are my favorites. The true believers are on the right track. They are who I would expect to see were I to experience what I've seen in scripture so far, should I be in His good graces. Their maker and His Son, not His creation, are the stars of the production. Amish are the targets of jocularity which bear witness to Matthew 5:5 and are truly the essence, I expect, of humility and selflessness. Glad that you mentioned them, because we could all benefit by following their example!
Whatever happened to "my body, my choice"?
Ended at Covid. I’d have women laugh at me if I said my body my choice about the jab. Only works for abortion murder.
I hear ya. But, maybe it's time we "un-ended it."
I haven’t been met with that phrase for a while, but I’m past caring what they think. Bring it on. Lol.
Most of these hospitals are also "nonprofits." What a joke. I have no affiliations with any hospitals and I do my best to keep my patients out of hospitals.
Thank you, Dr. Molly! We need many, many more of you! 🙏😇
As Abby Johnson's supervisor told her regarding Planned (un)Parenthood; "Nonprofit is a tax status, not a business plan."
Do you practice in Utah? Looking for a trustworthy doctor.
This makes me so damn MAD!! How dare they?? I’d like to drop kick anybody who treats my health, my decisions & my rights as some sort of lame suggestion!! I’d really would rather face a firing squad, than deal with any hospital employee!!
Damn! Love it! I would like to drop kick most of them right off a cliff! Complete morons!
Makes me wonder…if they can give life-saving medical treatment to a car-accident victim who is brought in alone by ambulance, with no one to sign any forms, are the forms just a CYA for them after the fact, or are they actually pumping everyone full of this shite regardless of approval and just seeking approval from family later via “hospitalists” who should have never been invented because they aren’t doctors and aren’t bound by any medical ethics?
Doctors bound by ethics? Lol!
Actually, hospitalists are technically physicians. They just don’t have outside practices. That makes them suspicious as heck, and they are probably more likely to do what’s best for the facility, rather than the patient, but they are indeed doctors.
Ok, then if they ARE licensed doctors, and they protect the “needs” of the hospital (profits and liabilities) over the needs of the patient, then the Hippocratic oath means nothing and no one should ever trust any hospital ever again.
Which is probably where we actually are as a society and not everyone wants to see it yet.
Good points. And if we are smart we avoid being prey to such, ie:curbing aggresive behavior in traffic, stunting on youtube, maxxing out capability, the list goes on.....