"Of course, I have questions. If Means knew all this was going on, why are we only hearing about it now? Did he try telling Trump? Did anybody? Are we really supposed to believe the most powerful man on the planet has no idea his closest advisors have been running their own shadow administration? Is “Susie was the problem all along!” a sufficient explanation for Bobby spending two years watching his entire agenda get flushed down the toilet while politely offering to jiggle the handle?"
Correct, Jenna.
I listened on Saturday while working in the yard and had the EXACT SAME questions. I get it -- the dude is busy.
But if what Means said is true, and in my pea-brain I am going to believe it is until someone shows me a better explanation, how on earth does Trump not have his ear to the ground concerning some of the biggest issues HIS BASE was most concerned with, namely the pandemic/vax BS?
Presidents don't do much of anything because their cabinets do the work. "President" is a title and a figurehead....period. They sign the EOs. It is designed to be that way so that "We the People" don't have a King. Congress is supposed to be in the mix because they are the ones doing the funding. Your 2 Senators?.....they're only job is to ensure that the Feds are distributing the money fairly and lawfully to the State.
It's NO surprise that trump didn't know because he's NOT supposed to know. A President has <trusted> Cabinet heads whose job is to direct the departments.
I can buy all that. It simply moves the question down one turtle...
Now, instead of asking about his government appointees, we are asking possibly an even bigger question - a question that haunted him last time around. A question about his political advisors.
Congress doesn't do it's job!....period! They have neutered themselves because they refuse to do what they were elected to do because they don't want to get voted out. In response, those positions closest to the WH have increased and become bloated with bureaucracy.
Too many revolving doors lately to answer the survey with anything but an “Unsure…” still licking last Tuesday’s wounds. Unwilling to commit. But…. It sounds very encouraging, if true!
Still, an unshackled Bobby in 2024 would have been a different actor. (Somebody please tell me Susie Wiles was last seen beating her breast in sackcloth and ashes for feeding the poisoned apple to this administration.)
Wiles was and still is an evil Lobbyist. Sneaky, controlling, two faced and greedy. The perfect Deep State plant into the Trump Administration. Vance is likely another DS plant. Thank God it’s Miller Time!
Nothing new under the sun. Remember when Robert Kennedy Jr. Said everyone would be wearing a health monitor on their wrist? Wasn't that the product Means was selling? And yes, why did he not go straight to Trump? Is the President that shielded, I think not.
I watched the Rogan interview and was depressed all weekend thinking that all the corruption was insurmountable. Susie Wiles was never trustworthy as she’s been a lobbyist for years. And did Trump not know her Wiley ways? I’m sure he did. I knew there was something or someone holding up the MAHA agenda. The level of corruption is disheartening but I think it’s on both sides of the aisle. Once again, I’m glad to be on this side of life at 73.
Hmm... I can remember not that long ago that people were accusing Calley and Casey as being secret evil plants not actually looking out for the health of the American people.
Who is shocked that the government sided with pharmaceutical lobbies to make a whole lot of money? It’s all BS. The elections, Trump, MAGA, DOGE, everything is BS. Government sucks – no matter what type it is. And that is because people are self-serving as a survival instinct. And who is in charge of government? Suck-ass people!
** A real chance to stop the evil mRNA-LNP gene "therapy" experimentation on humans **
After FOIA requests and appeals (starting in 2023), a Citizen's Petition that asks the FDA to classify the mRNA shots as gene therapy products (in accordance with the FDA's own guidance) was filed, but the FDA failed to issue a ruling within the required timeframe...
The Petition was not approved or denied, so the fate of this Petition was stuck in limbo (as were any subsequent actions/consequences)...
Until a mandamus lawsuit was filed to force this Citizen's Petition out of limbo.
The government has been ordered to respond.
This is NOT a criminal or civil lawsuit. As much as I personally want Fauci, Collins, Walensky, Marks, Bourla, Bancel, Baric, Gates, Becerra, Austin, Murthy, etc, etc, etc to face righteous punishment here on earth for their evil crimes against humanity, this mandamus lawsuit is NOT the vehicle that can make that happen...
This lawsuit is asking for a writ of mandamus which is a court order compelling a government official or agency to perform a specific duty that they are legally obligated to fulfill.
Therefore, this mandamus lawsuit could only be brought against the CURRENT government officials (RFK Jr in his official capacity as HHS Secretary, and Pete Hegseth in his official capacity as Secretary of DoD/DoW).
This lawsuit asks the court to make 2 orders:
"The Pentagon owes Congress a report. Under 50 USC 1520a, the Defense Department 'may not conduct (directly or by contract)' any test of a biological agent on a civilian population. Medical research is allowed only with INFORMED CONSENT, and only after the Armed Services Committees get 'a full accounting' of the plans 30 days ahead. Count I asks the court to make Secretary Hegseth file that report for the mRNA COVID shots.
FDA owes an answer. Under 21 CFR 10.30(e)(2), FDA has 180 days to rule on a citizen petition. Citizen Petition FDA-2025-P-1807 asks FDA to classify the mRNA shots as gene therapy products instead of vaccines. Those 180 days ran out on December 13, 2025. Count II asks the court to make FDA, and HHS Secretary Kennedy above it, rule."
"IoJ's citizen petition FDA-2025-P-1807, raising 32 problems with the mRNA shots, including the SV40 DNA contamination...FDA has a duty to stop contaminated shots under laws no emergency waiver overrides. We're asking FDA to stop mRNA in its ENTIRETY."
"Each agency's duty is different, and every one could open the way to taking the mRNA shots off the market and calling them what they are, which is not a vaccine. The petition at the heart of the case asks FDA to declare the shots ADULTERATED over DNA contamination, including the SV40 promoter in this article, and to impose an immediate CLINICAL HOLD".
"The government just answered... the government's lawyer wrote back. He confirmed he received the papers and asked for 30 MORE DAYS to respond, because the filings are that big. The government is using that time to get ready, and our side has to get ready too."
I (Kelly) am not affiliated with Interest of Justice or this lawsuit...and I am NOT a lawyer, so if there are any corrections/additions necessary, please chime in...
But I am trying to spread the word about this potentially consequential mandamus lawsuit!...
Because I believe that compelling these government agencies to issue that report and rule on that Citizen's Petition (forcing things out of limbo) will present the next steps to take, even if that step is to appeal an unfavorable decision.
I have personally donated. I am asking those who are able (and feel so inclined) to please consider helping this lawsuit in this fight to remove these diabolical, illegal, and intentionally injurious & deadly gene "therapy" bioweapon injections & genetic transfection platform.
If you're still reading this...some further background on the petition & mandamus lawsuit...
"FDA warns gene therapy DNA caused cancer, and IoJ’s petition now before a federal judge asks why the COVID shots got a pass...mRNA Devils in the Details. FDA's own rules define gene therapy by its mechanism of action, and the COVID shots meet that definition"
"Mechanism of action is the whole case...FDA doesn't classify a product by what the maker calls it. It has a legal duty to classify it by what the product does inside the body, its MECHANISM OF ACTION. This is a very big deal."
'The FDA generally considers human gene therapy products to include all products that mediate their effects by transcription or translation of transferred genetic material... Some examples of gene therapy products include nucleic acids (e.g., plasmids, in vitro transcribed ribonucleic acid (RNA))'..."
"Moderna Damn Well Knew! They Told the SEC.
In their Q2 2020 SEC filing—a mandatory legal disclosure subject to federal securities laws—Moderna made a stunning admission..
'Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA.'
This wasn’t buried in some obscure document. This was in their securities filing. They were legally required to tell investors the truth about regulatory classification.
BioNTech founder Dr. Ugur Sahin said in 2014…
'One would expect the classification of an mRNA drug to be a biologic, gene therapy, or somatic cell therapy.'
Both manufacturers expected gene therapy classification.
The sudden reclassification as 'vaccines' wasn’t science—it was purely regulatory manipulation."
"The evidence we now have—FDA’s own words, Moderna’s SEC filings, the manufacturer admissions—cannot be disputed.
They defined gene therapy. mRNA fits the definition. They authorized it anyway without following gene therapy protocols.
That’s not a regulatory oversight. That’s fraud."
"Billions of people worldwide received experimental gene therapy products while being told they were getting traditional vaccines. They were denied the informed consent that gene therapy requires. They were denied the long-term safety monitoring that gene therapy requires. They were denied the truth.
And the agency responsible for protecting them is still—to this day—refusing to answer basic questions about what they authorized."...
"Seven Nazi doctors were hanged for experimenting on people without consent, and the ten rules from their 1947 trial still stand...Seven executions, ten rules, and a first rule IoJ's case and petition still stand on"...
Trump may be many things, but he's not stupid. He knew generally what Susie was doing... he thought that's how politics works and the voters would just have to swallow it.
But while somebody (please Jesus) investigates the Texas voting fraud, it's not a bad idea to shake things up in the White House. The voters are DONE supporting big companies pumping poison into our bodies. Being sick is not fun and now we're finally realizing who's to blame!
Why doesn't someone ANYONE take all the jabs and get them fully tested. You know there will be lots of horrific things found in them. THEN arrest all pharma CEOs based on the evidence. Encourage all whistleblowers to come out with whatever hidden studies they have & fully protect them. The whole thing will come down. It will be ugly, difficult, controversial etc. BUT there needs to be a reckoning.
After make pharma not a corporation but more co-op like. There's no CEO just employess with different jobs & they all make more or less the same amount of money. Even if you hate the idea of co-ops pharma is one of those industries that needs to be that way!
I say combo. He is all of those things at once. So many articles about him and his sister spew negative and awful things. But they each know when to say the right things. If this was all happening, which I certainly agree probably was, he and others should have spoken up especially the freaking glyphosate memo. The President picked that awful woman and I was shocked when reading her bio. Sometimes I think he is the worse judge of character. They are slamming Pete only because he is effective. The president is a man who wants to do things right for America then there are all the snakes in the grass that keep poking their ugly heads up that have to be neutralized. Money is the root of all evil.
"Does Means grasp that in throwing Susie under the bus, he’s basically tossing half of D.C. under there with her? Because the law has little things like aiding and abetting, obstruction, and false statements that can make “I was just following orders” a surprisingly expensive defense."
Note: the above is definitely not a bad thing...if only....
“The timing is almost comical.” If this was scripted?! It is scripted!! Bowden sees right through it and so do most people who have been paying attention to this nonsense.
Vee... this is one of those know-it-all comments you've claimed not to make. "Most people who have been paying attention?" Um, hi. I think I qualify. I always leave room for theories and opinions that aren't mine to exist; why can't you? (I still love you though.)
I’m not trying to be snarky or know-it-all, just blunt. There is a huge difference between paying attention and paying attention with blue or red colored glasses on. Maintaining objectivity while hoping and cheering on team red or team blue is nearly impossible.
This is a script and the intelligence agencies and/or those controlling the agencies are writing it. It's the same nonsense, just different characters every season. It's not just Wiles, Means, or whoever else they want to point the finger at. It's the entire apparatus that is completely controlled by the military biopharmceutical complex and this is just another psychological operation.
"Of course, I have questions. If Means knew all this was going on, why are we only hearing about it now? Did he try telling Trump? Did anybody? Are we really supposed to believe the most powerful man on the planet has no idea his closest advisors have been running their own shadow administration? Is “Susie was the problem all along!” a sufficient explanation for Bobby spending two years watching his entire agenda get flushed down the toilet while politely offering to jiggle the handle?"
Correct, Jenna.
I listened on Saturday while working in the yard and had the EXACT SAME questions. I get it -- the dude is busy.
But if what Means said is true, and in my pea-brain I am going to believe it is until someone shows me a better explanation, how on earth does Trump not have his ear to the ground concerning some of the biggest issues HIS BASE was most concerned with, namely the pandemic/vax BS?
Presidents don't do much of anything because their cabinets do the work. "President" is a title and a figurehead....period. They sign the EOs. It is designed to be that way so that "We the People" don't have a King. Congress is supposed to be in the mix because they are the ones doing the funding. Your 2 Senators?.....they're only job is to ensure that the Feds are distributing the money fairly and lawfully to the State.
It's NO surprise that trump didn't know because he's NOT supposed to know. A President has <trusted> Cabinet heads whose job is to direct the departments.
I can buy all that. It simply moves the question down one turtle...
Now, instead of asking about his government appointees, we are asking possibly an even bigger question - a question that haunted him last time around. A question about his political advisors.
Congress doesn't do it's job!....period! They have neutered themselves because they refuse to do what they were elected to do because they don't want to get voted out. In response, those positions closest to the WH have increased and become bloated with bureaucracy.
Too many revolving doors lately to answer the survey with anything but an “Unsure…” still licking last Tuesday’s wounds. Unwilling to commit. But…. It sounds very encouraging, if true!
I voted unsure too. But I do believe things are about to get even more spicey.
I’m here for it!
The unshackling of RFK 2.0 - go Bobby!
Still, an unshackled Bobby in 2024 would have been a different actor. (Somebody please tell me Susie Wiles was last seen beating her breast in sackcloth and ashes for feeding the poisoned apple to this administration.)
Wiles was and still is an evil Lobbyist. Sneaky, controlling, two faced and greedy. The perfect Deep State plant into the Trump Administration. Vance is likely another DS plant. Thank God it’s Miller Time!
“It’s Miller time!” Love it! GOP, we have a new slogan!
I can’t take credit for “It’s Miller time”. It was posted all over X. It’s a great slogan, on so many levels.
Appreciate your honesty - my only news sources are my 3 substacks in the morning and my husband’s ranting - I mean comments all day long. Lol
I’m still in the “numb” stage at this point. Have no idea, truly.
Same.
“described the White House he worked in as a revolving door of corporate lobbyists, campaign cash, and backroom deals”
Does anyone honestly believe this is something new or unique to Trump?
I honestly believe he campaigned on doing it differently...
Nothing new under the sun. Remember when Robert Kennedy Jr. Said everyone would be wearing a health monitor on their wrist? Wasn't that the product Means was selling? And yes, why did he not go straight to Trump? Is the President that shielded, I think not.
Bingo. One of the many things about Means.
I watched the Rogan interview and was depressed all weekend thinking that all the corruption was insurmountable. Susie Wiles was never trustworthy as she’s been a lobbyist for years. And did Trump not know her Wiley ways? I’m sure he did. I knew there was something or someone holding up the MAHA agenda. The level of corruption is disheartening but I think it’s on both sides of the aisle. Once again, I’m glad to be on this side of life at 73.
Same…how could this have been business as usual for two freakin years?
We’re talking about people’s lives and general health issues…disheartening to say the least.
So... politics as usual?
Hmm... I can remember not that long ago that people were accusing Calley and Casey as being secret evil plants not actually looking out for the health of the American people.
Who is shocked that the government sided with pharmaceutical lobbies to make a whole lot of money? It’s all BS. The elections, Trump, MAGA, DOGE, everything is BS. Government sucks – no matter what type it is. And that is because people are self-serving as a survival instinct. And who is in charge of government? Suck-ass people!
Maybe it’s up to GenX to tell it like it is so at least we can all stop believing the cognitive dissonance that prevails around the idea of exceptionalism: https://lizlasorte.substack.com/p/what-role-does-gen-x-play-in-navigating?r=76q58
** A real chance to stop the evil mRNA-LNP gene "therapy" experimentation on humans **
After FOIA requests and appeals (starting in 2023), a Citizen's Petition that asks the FDA to classify the mRNA shots as gene therapy products (in accordance with the FDA's own guidance) was filed, but the FDA failed to issue a ruling within the required timeframe...
The Petition was not approved or denied, so the fate of this Petition was stuck in limbo (as were any subsequent actions/consequences)...
Until a mandamus lawsuit was filed to force this Citizen's Petition out of limbo.
The government has been ordered to respond.
This is NOT a criminal or civil lawsuit. As much as I personally want Fauci, Collins, Walensky, Marks, Bourla, Bancel, Baric, Gates, Becerra, Austin, Murthy, etc, etc, etc to face righteous punishment here on earth for their evil crimes against humanity, this mandamus lawsuit is NOT the vehicle that can make that happen...
This lawsuit is asking for a writ of mandamus which is a court order compelling a government official or agency to perform a specific duty that they are legally obligated to fulfill.
Therefore, this mandamus lawsuit could only be brought against the CURRENT government officials (RFK Jr in his official capacity as HHS Secretary, and Pete Hegseth in his official capacity as Secretary of DoD/DoW).
This lawsuit asks the court to make 2 orders:
"The Pentagon owes Congress a report. Under 50 USC 1520a, the Defense Department 'may not conduct (directly or by contract)' any test of a biological agent on a civilian population. Medical research is allowed only with INFORMED CONSENT, and only after the Armed Services Committees get 'a full accounting' of the plans 30 days ahead. Count I asks the court to make Secretary Hegseth file that report for the mRNA COVID shots.
FDA owes an answer. Under 21 CFR 10.30(e)(2), FDA has 180 days to rule on a citizen petition. Citizen Petition FDA-2025-P-1807 asks FDA to classify the mRNA shots as gene therapy products instead of vaccines. Those 180 days ran out on December 13, 2025. Count II asks the court to make FDA, and HHS Secretary Kennedy above it, rule."
https://interestofjustice.substack.com/p/breaking-rfk-jr-fda-and-dod-answer
"IoJ's citizen petition FDA-2025-P-1807, raising 32 problems with the mRNA shots, including the SV40 DNA contamination...FDA has a duty to stop contaminated shots under laws no emergency waiver overrides. We're asking FDA to stop mRNA in its ENTIRETY."
"Each agency's duty is different, and every one could open the way to taking the mRNA shots off the market and calling them what they are, which is not a vaccine. The petition at the heart of the case asks FDA to declare the shots ADULTERATED over DNA contamination, including the SV40 promoter in this article, and to impose an immediate CLINICAL HOLD".
"The government just answered... the government's lawyer wrote back. He confirmed he received the papers and asked for 30 MORE DAYS to respond, because the filings are that big. The government is using that time to get ready, and our side has to get ready too."
https://interestofjustice.substack.com/p/2-new-mrna-shots-approved-as-health
I (Kelly) am not affiliated with Interest of Justice or this lawsuit...and I am NOT a lawyer, so if there are any corrections/additions necessary, please chime in...
But I am trying to spread the word about this potentially consequential mandamus lawsuit!...
Because I believe that compelling these government agencies to issue that report and rule on that Citizen's Petition (forcing things out of limbo) will present the next steps to take, even if that step is to appeal an unfavorable decision.
I have personally donated. I am asking those who are able (and feel so inclined) to please consider helping this lawsuit in this fight to remove these diabolical, illegal, and intentionally injurious & deadly gene "therapy" bioweapon injections & genetic transfection platform.
Link for Donations to help fund this lawsuit:
https://interestofjustice.org/stop-covid-vaccines-now/index.html
Thank you and Blessings to All.
If you're still reading this...some further background on the petition & mandamus lawsuit...
"FDA warns gene therapy DNA caused cancer, and IoJ’s petition now before a federal judge asks why the COVID shots got a pass...mRNA Devils in the Details. FDA's own rules define gene therapy by its mechanism of action, and the COVID shots meet that definition"
"Mechanism of action is the whole case...FDA doesn't classify a product by what the maker calls it. It has a legal duty to classify it by what the product does inside the body, its MECHANISM OF ACTION. This is a very big deal."
https://interestofjustice.substack.com/p/fda-warns-gene-therapy-dna-caused
"FDA’s 2020 guidance document 'Human Gene Therapy for Rare Diseases' defines gene therapy products:
'The FDA generally considers human gene therapy products to include all products that mediate their effects by transcription or translation of transferred genetic material... Some examples of gene therapy products include nucleic acids (e.g., plasmids, in vitro transcribed ribonucleic acid (RNA))'..."
"Moderna Damn Well Knew! They Told the SEC.
In their Q2 2020 SEC filing—a mandatory legal disclosure subject to federal securities laws—Moderna made a stunning admission..
'Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA.'
This wasn’t buried in some obscure document. This was in their securities filing. They were legally required to tell investors the truth about regulatory classification.
BioNTech founder Dr. Ugur Sahin said in 2014…
'One would expect the classification of an mRNA drug to be a biologic, gene therapy, or somatic cell therapy.'
Both manufacturers expected gene therapy classification.
The sudden reclassification as 'vaccines' wasn’t science—it was purely regulatory manipulation."
"The evidence we now have—FDA’s own words, Moderna’s SEC filings, the manufacturer admissions—cannot be disputed.
They defined gene therapy. mRNA fits the definition. They authorized it anyway without following gene therapy protocols.
That’s not a regulatory oversight. That’s fraud."
"Billions of people worldwide received experimental gene therapy products while being told they were getting traditional vaccines. They were denied the informed consent that gene therapy requires. They were denied the long-term safety monitoring that gene therapy requires. They were denied the truth.
And the agency responsible for protecting them is still—to this day—refusing to answer basic questions about what they authorized."...
https://interestofjustice.substack.com/p/breaking-fda-issues-gene-therapy
The Nuremberg Code
"Seven Nazi doctors were hanged for experimenting on people without consent, and the ten rules from their 1947 trial still stand...Seven executions, ten rules, and a first rule IoJ's case and petition still stand on"...
https://interestofjustice.substack.com/p/seven-nazi-doctors-were-hanged-for
Thank you for all this information!! Copying & saving.
Trump may be many things, but he's not stupid. He knew generally what Susie was doing... he thought that's how politics works and the voters would just have to swallow it.
But while somebody (please Jesus) investigates the Texas voting fraud, it's not a bad idea to shake things up in the White House. The voters are DONE supporting big companies pumping poison into our bodies. Being sick is not fun and now we're finally realizing who's to blame!
Why doesn't someone ANYONE take all the jabs and get them fully tested. You know there will be lots of horrific things found in them. THEN arrest all pharma CEOs based on the evidence. Encourage all whistleblowers to come out with whatever hidden studies they have & fully protect them. The whole thing will come down. It will be ugly, difficult, controversial etc. BUT there needs to be a reckoning.
After make pharma not a corporation but more co-op like. There's no CEO just employess with different jobs & they all make more or less the same amount of money. Even if you hate the idea of co-ops pharma is one of those industries that needs to be that way!
I say combo. He is all of those things at once. So many articles about him and his sister spew negative and awful things. But they each know when to say the right things. If this was all happening, which I certainly agree probably was, he and others should have spoken up especially the freaking glyphosate memo. The President picked that awful woman and I was shocked when reading her bio. Sometimes I think he is the worse judge of character. They are slamming Pete only because he is effective. The president is a man who wants to do things right for America then there are all the snakes in the grass that keep poking their ugly heads up that have to be neutralized. Money is the root of all evil.
"Does Means grasp that in throwing Susie under the bus, he’s basically tossing half of D.C. under there with her? Because the law has little things like aiding and abetting, obstruction, and false statements that can make “I was just following orders” a surprisingly expensive defense."
Note: the above is definitely not a bad thing...if only....
I have no opinions on Calley Means; I will reserve my bile for the disgraceful deep state broom pilot Susie Wiles.
“The timing is almost comical.” If this was scripted?! It is scripted!! Bowden sees right through it and so do most people who have been paying attention to this nonsense.
Here is a great summarization of Bobby's blatant flip flopping: https://odysee.com/@corbettreport:0/su20261023:d
Vee... this is one of those know-it-all comments you've claimed not to make. "Most people who have been paying attention?" Um, hi. I think I qualify. I always leave room for theories and opinions that aren't mine to exist; why can't you? (I still love you though.)
I’m not trying to be snarky or know-it-all, just blunt. There is a huge difference between paying attention and paying attention with blue or red colored glasses on. Maintaining objectivity while hoping and cheering on team red or team blue is nearly impossible.
This is a script and the intelligence agencies and/or those controlling the agencies are writing it. It's the same nonsense, just different characters every season. It's not just Wiles, Means, or whoever else they want to point the finger at. It's the entire apparatus that is completely controlled by the military biopharmceutical complex and this is just another psychological operation.
You THINK this. You BELIEVE IT PASSIONATELY. But you do not KNOW that is true. And you genuinely think you are... objective? Hahahaha ok. ;)