P.S. - I do not recommend watching this... but if you still are believing any of the Conspiracy theories distracting you here... This information was known and reported upon by this and other sources on 09/11/2025.... Stop lying - that is what you are doing when you do not know what you are talking about (I be Charlie would not appreciate it and I Do Not appreciate it:
Thank you for posting the link. His follow up Part 2 video expanded on it more. I do suggest readers watch both videos. The creator is interested in truth not click bait, and did express concerns over some of the information we are being told.
Mentioned once in that particular substack post, but look at some of the other recent substack posts from Pasheen. Apparently it was Ben Shapiro and the Mossad.
Pasternak, I just read your last post. I deleted it so I’ll comment here. I don’t see the purpose of Kirks death being faked, unless they’re planning on manufacturing a second Easter.
I do not recommend watching this... but if you still are believing any of the Conspiracy theories distracting you here... This information was known and reported upon by this and other sources on 09/11/2025.... Stop lying - that is what you are doing when you do not know what you are talking about (I be Charlie would not appreciate it and I Do Not appreciate it:
P.S. - I do not recommend watching this... but if you still are believing any of the Conspiracy theories distracting you here... This information was known and reported upon by this and other sources on 09/11/2025.... Stop lying - that is what you are doing when you do not know what you are talking about (I be Charlie would not appreciate it and I Do Not appreciate it:
I'm so incredibly sad about this topic anyway that anything sounds more plausible than this kid pulling this off. It wouldn't surprise me at all if what you say is absolutely true. Which makes me even more sad. What else are they lying to us about? I can think of a thousand reasons to not trust the people that are meant to protect us, and that is just maddening.
This whole thing has made me feel as hopeless as I did when 9/11 and Sandy Hook happened. What's even worse? I have friends posting the videos of him and the Ukranian refugee being killed. Why? Why are we OK with seeing this? Where has our humanity gone and when is it ever coming back?
My heart hurts. Charlie Kirk was a hero of mine. I wish I had 1/10 of his knowledge and patience. He was amazing and the world lost a man that I would arguably compare to Martin Luther King, Jr any day of the week.
You asked, what else are they lying about. Well, pretty much everything. We’ve been lied to from day one about pretty much everything. And they hate the fact that we question any of it.
And I agree that the videos need to be taken down. When these trans shooters go in and kill a bunch of kids their social media is wiped within the first five minutes of anyone finding out. All records are wiped or cleaned up. But why are these videos still circulating? To make us angry? To insight violence? To insight a Civil War? Likely. Horrible. I never intended to see the video and I did and it’s just beyond horrific. It needs to be taken off the Internet.
Unfortunately, my question about what they're lying to us about was meant to be rhetorical. I agree with you....pretty much everything. Which is so, so sad. And the civil war thing... The only response I have to that is that starting a civil war with people who believe vehemently in the 2nd amendment is a very, very bad idea. I can promise it won't end well for the people that believe the police should be replaced with social workers. There will be no talking it out.....
And by the way, I am the least violent person you'll find on the internet. But I'm so angry right now. So incredibly angry.....
I said that exact same thing in my Bible study group on Thursday: that I was so incredibly angry. One of the women immediately began praying about that and over the course of the day, my anger turned to grief. Anger is what THEY do, and praying for them and forgiving them is what WE do.
Just be sure your anger isn't misdirected. The mainstream news has infected many minds and has created this divide. It isn't the left that should feel the anger (that was the purpose of the assassination and planting of evidence). Be angry at the propaganda and make the effort to have a civil conversation with people who think differently than you do. Hear them out and reach a conclusion based on facts. Do it for Charlie.
Same. I am not typically a confrontational person and mostly scrubbed unhinged lefties from my social media in 2020 but found myself going after virtue signaling lefties commenting on some friends' posts who kept bringing up the totally out of context remarks of Kirk over and over. They were attacking him based on lies and I just couldn't take it.
Anger is a second emotion and there’s always something beneath it… fear, sadness. Anger is absolutely useful when the pain is too deep to address. Sometimes it has to be peeled back layer by layer in order to find the strength to address the original emotion slowly. It can be very useful if used correctly.
No. Anger is a primary emotion. Emotions are our warning system. After you work through your anger you find your sadness, fear, whatever. Anger is a very useful emotion. But it's a primary one. We are taught to avoid it like the plague which really messes us up.
If you look across American history, conservatives tend not to become violent. Radicals and progressives reach for violence first: I give you the response to George Floyd's inglorious death.
The deep state wants civil war- never mind the “outdated parties.” If we go into a civil war they will move the military in and get the control they’ve been seeking through instigating hatred and division.
There are patriots in the military. Our hope is that at least some of them will have fighter bombers, tanks, and carriers and recognize orders that spring from tyranny.
This is not true. Statistically, conservatives are responsible for 3/4 of political violence. Leftists tend to be pacifists. But it's not a right/left issue. Please think outside that box. If you want to get to the truth, that is. If you just want to push the usual conservative schtick, slice away.
And really, who would we all be fighting? I have family and people I love who are not on the same page as me politically. Should I shoot them?! Would I allow someone else to shoot them? NO.
You first mention the shooters in other instances social media gets wiped clean then bring up the video of the shooting. Those are two very separate things. That video doesn't exist one one site or one computer. It gets posted and deleted just for someone else to post it. It is a virtual wack-a-mole. Blame the ghouls sharing it.
Who is that guy? And it looks like he's pulling back a pistol right after the shot goes off. What's not shown in this video, but in others that include people around him. The guy in white hand signaling, and the guy in white outside the fencing/barrier who is doing something with his hands. He raises them up, and then brings them down and makes a "twig breaking motion" with his fists, and then all hell breaks loose.
I saw that one as well... seems suspiciously like the JFK driver maneuver, doesn't it? Plus there's always the "LOOK! OVER THERE!" when the real truth is hidden in plain sight. I watched a long takedown of the entire scene with 3D imaging and basically they were showing it was IMPOSSIBLE for a shot to have come from the roof at that (straight-on) angle. It had to have come from that left side and from lowest bleachers (otherwise the angle would have been DOWN). THIS is why there's no trust in government. They know this stuff is out there; if it's "conspiracy," then debunk it. SHOW US how the shot came from the roof, at that angle, etc. Until then, I'm not buying what you're welling one bit.
And didn't we all have such high hopes for Kash and Dan on all the issues that have been covered up and hidden in the past ? But now, with the Epstein list debacle and the suspicious reaction to Charlie's murder, what difference have they actually made if at all ?
Interesting. I had never heard of him so I watched a handful of videos last night, where he was conversing with students. I’m totally aligned with his family values, which government has systematically tried to destroy, but I don’t get the impression of sainthood.
I perceive him as a human being who talked through the filters of his life experiences as we all do. I respect his efforts in engaging youth and opening dialogue. In sharing his views , he hopefully encouraged others to share theirs.
I agree with almost everything you say and feel the same deep sadness about Charlie. But you lost me at MLK jr. Maybe consider a deep dive into his history and you’ll discover some dark communist party connections.
MLK was a hero. Please. Stop. And let me add, my father worked with MLK jr. and traveled to Oslo with him when he received the Nobel Peace Price in 1964.
Please stop what? Having my own thoughts and opinions based on critical discussions I’ve heard around the topic? Grow up! You are entitled to your views and so am I. That’s what America is all about 🇺🇸
It’s just my opinion that communism and socialism are being absolutely demonized right now because they don’t want to give us national healthcare. Because they would have to shut down the multi billion dollar insurance industry that is sucking us dry and funding them. The insurance industry that we don’t need. But if they demonize socialism then no one will dare bring up national healthcare ever again. Or equal education. I had very good education in the 1960s and 70s at public schools in the wealthy suburbs of Chicago. And I was well aware that people who lived in the city were getting shafted. But now it’s all defund education. There are so many different grades of socialism, but even libraries and police forces are socialist because they are serving everyone.
It’s the same mindset that says , “minimum wage” is acceptable “I payed for my college , NO loan forgiveness “ without ever considering the reality of job shortages, job pay, and the absurd inflation!
Then there’s the, “If you’re poor you’re lazy.” “If your receiving welfare of any sort, “You’re a thief.”
And the “If you work from home, you’re not doing your job!! We want you here 60 hours a week!”
And all those other intentionally demeaning words pounded into public thinking. Good thing the “social security is an ENTITLEMENT “ didn’t take hold, eh?
Yes. Absolutely. If you want to think MLK is less than what I have known him to be, so what.
Haha. You’re rightfully entitled to believe whatever you choose. I suppose my response to you is based on my experience and just as there are those who consider Kirk a saint, I consider MLK a good human who accomplished great things.
Neither Charlie or King were saints. They were humans that did extraordinary things, and their lives were cut short. But I didn't know either personally, so I will choose to remember the good.
Totally agree it doesn’t pass the sniff test. As soon as I saw the video, I automatically assumed the shooter was some sort of ex-military sniper type who’d spent YEARS learning that sort of precision. But Tyler Robinson? Doesn’t make sense to me.
It was the 30-6 rifle that with a little practice by someone with intent that made this seem professional. That rifle is very accurate at that range especially with a scope. The shooter is now known as Antifa and it appears he did not work alone if you combine the fact that an audience member claimed responsibility which diverted attention enough to permit the shooter's escape. I am sure there is more to come.
Exactly. This was a fluke shot that hit the side of Charlie Kirk's neck. That would have been Trump if he hadn't turned his head at the last moment. That is why trained professionals aim for the center mass. Speakers turn their heads from side to side and may gesture with their hands, but they don't tend to shift their bodies around much. Largest area, most viral organs, and less motion. Swift, clean hit.
First of all, 30-6 is a caliber NOT a rifle. Second, you say “especially with a scope “, you obviously have no experience whatsoever in firearms. To precisely hit a moving target at 200 yards WITHOUT an excellent and well calibrated scope is IMPOSSIBLE. Thirdly, I don’t recall seeing a scope on that rifle. The entire “official “ scenario is ludicrous.
But there are so many clues that indicate his lack of training as a sniper: the walk through a neighborhood (one with homes equipped with Ring cameras) on his way to the campus, hiding the gun in the woods, going home to his family, touching the railing of the stars on his way up to the roof while NOT wearing gloves, and so far no evidence of any contact with individuals or groups in Ukraine as was the case with both Crooks and Ruth. One other point that matters: a majority of radicalized young people think that words are violence, free speech is dangerous, would like to abolish the First, and think killing their way out of the problems they see is legitimate. Kids today are more fragile than they've ever been.
Some time back Dr. Toby Rogers wrote an article connecting the tenets of progressivism with autistic traits/vaccine injuries. It's worth looking up.
Once you see/read it.... so much of the insistence on control you mention makes sense through that lens... the free speech is dangerous kind of thinking. Fearful rage against differing opinion. Germophobia. Sterilize everything. They're almost too afraid to think. More fragile than ever. So true.
When I saw photos of Tyler from childhood through college, with his left eye consistently drifted outward, I thought of Dr. Andrew Moulden’s work on micro-stokes and neurological damages caused by vaccines.
Tyler has consistent birthmarks-moles on his face in those photos, which are not seen in the mug shots; I didn’t notice the left eye drift in them either.
Reddit is about everything. I’m currently in a forum about used cars because I’m trying to buy a car. There’s a subject matter about every single thing, it’s just a place where many people can get together to discuss whatever they want. You know, free speech?
Is it possible that it was a professional hit job, like the ‘60s assasinations, and they’ve just gotten this much better at making the lone gunman alibi credible?
I have a hard time believing that a 22 yr old college student would risk this kind of derailment of his entire life, or that he would ever be deluded that he could get away with such a high profile shooting in broad daylight with so many witnesses.
People do crazy things, especially young people, especially young people who have been poisoned into a frenzy over a cause.
I raised three boys, good boys, but I can assure you that teen and early-twenties boys generally aren't the best at thinking through consequences. Social media, and being incessantly online, which early reports indicate the killer was, do dangerous things to immature minds.
Isn't there actual science proving that teen through early 20s brains are not particularly good at thinking through consequences? And isn't that partly proven out in the gender enabling movement to castrate healthy body parts?
What age group is most valuable to the government for fighting wars? Those that think they are invincible. What age group do they REFUSE to take even as volunteers? Those old enough to recognize BS orders.
(Apologies, Mary Ann, I see you made the point later.)
Vermont Farm Wife, thank you for sharing that link. It was excellent. I do believe the father turned his son in after his son admitted to having shot Charlie Kirk.
My first assumption was that it sounded awfully professional, too. But that's based on my own experience as the very inexperienced owner of a single shot 20-gauge that I use only to scare away bears. I've never actually hit one with the rubber bullets yet, because I'm a lousy shot. I can confidently say that I could hit the side of our barn though.
If you can hit that--RELIABLY, you're ready to move around to the narrow side. (I will generously concede that you mean you are shooting the broad side from the out side.) Bears, at least broad bears, Be Ware!
The video of the supposed shooter hanging/jumping off the building doesn’t look like he is holding a large long weapon. So how did it end up in bushes wrapped in a towel?
It seems there is always things to question about what they are telling us and showing us.
And how did this young adult, if he should be the actual shooter, think he was going to get away with it when most of his face is exposed and not wearing gloves? Come on…really?
Hard to believe anything anymore. And on that note, that is why I have a hard time putting my faith in RFK, Jr, Trump or anyone else.
I question the DJT attempted assasination also.
And another thing, I listened to Erika Kirk’s words yesterday. While I believe (I think?) Charlie Kirk is dead, if Erika is a devout Christian, why did she not say something about forgiving the shooter? I would have at least said, I may not be able to forgive you right now, but I forgive your actions as you know not what you have done and I’m sorry someone/thing made you believe killing someone was okay. Or something to that effect. Also, her using the words evil doers sounds like nails on a chalkboard to me. I would have chosen different words.
I am a Bible believing faith filled Christian and still find it hard to forgive my daughter's ex boyfriend or the doctors and nurses and administrators at the hospital who didn't treat her as a human, but rather as a widget, and made decisions that killed her. When one is hit with something this traumatic, you never know exactly how you'll act. Jesus knows the truth. Erika may get there so someday, but 48 hours later?
ICI G, you're absolutely right: no one can know WHAT they will do or say in the face of an EXTREME TRIAL; in fact, Christians PRAY to be able merely to STAND, at all, in the face of it. Gabriella, it's a game you don't want be drawn into: following "supposedly devout" Christians around all day and pointing out "If you really WERE devout, you'd have <this or that>." That's the sort of stuff that comes back to haunt you when the shoe's on the other foot. Instead, devout Christians MAKE EXCUSES for others' perceived lapses, ASSUMING they were acting out of a hidden good motive, instead of declaring judgement on them without having all the facts.
I hope to know the truth to this question in my lifetime. I don’t think it will happen,as I’m 78 and still we don’t have definitive answers about JFK,MLK,Malcom X, Epstein,and on and on and on!
But we do though. We have the answers; we just have to stop waiting for, and expecting, “the government” to confirm what we all know. Trust your intuition. It’s rarely wrong.
I can’t believe a 22-year old with two slightly younger brothers from a nuclear family, including a mom on FB, could have zero social media history. From his grandmother to his acquaintances, no one observed any lunacy, but saw him as an ordinary (very bright) kid.
It was only lately through spending so much of his life online, particularly on Reddit sites, that Robinson became radicalized. It's so very likely that a kid, even a kid from a conservative and stable family, could become radicalized by online grooming. Two quick examples: I grew up in a Republican and stable family, yet I was extensively radicalized during the Viet Nam War and eventually became a Democrat for decades until covid when I also became a committed Christian. The other example is my granddaughter, who in high school was completely opposed to the entire transgender ideology for biological reasons. She just graduated from college (from a fairly ordinary and unremarkable state college) with a degree in early childhood education) and I just learned she now thinks that when a child says they are a different gender, we have to believe them. She now has a job teaching second grade and she grew up in a conservative and stable home with two loving parents and adoring grandparents. Her brother chose not to go to college and became a welder. He voted for Trump last year.
My daughter is a radical leftist and she did NOT learn that at home. Flipped after she left home. I blame online radicalization. Son is a Trump supporter. They don't talk to each other.
Sounds like my family, actually. My daughter was a staunch Republican voter until she wasn't. Almost overnight she became a supporter of mask mandates and the covid vaccines which she "forced" on her two kids. She, of course, had at least 3. She was recently diagnosed with scleroderma and refuses to try DMSO because her doctor said not to use it. We can't talk about any of it.
The blind faith kills me. ‘I trust our doctors’ was my brother’s response to my suggestion to spend $750 with Dr Makis to discuss his wife’s sudden and unexpected turbo basal cell cancer and turbo Lewy Body dementia. He wanted proof that alternatives work. I finally just shut up. I wanted to say their beloved boosters caused this, I wanted to say it’s worth a try cuz your doctors are doing nothing, I now want to say I told you so. I bite my tongue when he tells me that the recently discovered boxing has been great for her, as I told him about it a year ago and he poo pooed (sp) the idea back then.
He used to be conservative, she was a high level nurse, (think unions), the kids raised in commie Seattle, were taught that Christians are the stupidest humans on earth (and they listened to their kids).
His life is a living hell right now as he’s been told it’s time for memory care, but he thinks he can take care of her on his own even as she hallucinates and yells at him, and wakes him 3-5 times a night. It’s literally killing him but he won’t listen to anyone.
I’m sorry to go on and on, but I’m bitter and angry at the world right now, and these recent murders and crazy leftists reactions are hitting home. It’s all tied together, covid brought it all to light. Now I question everything.
I’ve always been conservative (moderate actually) while holding a few liberal beliefs since college, but the world changed for me during covid and now I’m full on awake, critically thinking, trying to strengthen my faith.
It truly is. And I hate it when he complains to me but won’t take any advice. Luckily it was one of her retired co-workers (a male nurse) who suggested memory care. The nurse and his wife have helped out a lot, taking her to their home for the occasional day.
Donna. I’m sorry for the family discord. It hurts when you don’t raise them that way. We have 5 adult children and 2 no longer embrace our faith. Hard to understand. God bless you.
Wow! That's my life too - including the son who became a welder. They had the same upbringing, only 2 years apart in age, yet completely different world views. I pray daily for clarity 🙏
One of our grandsons rejected college (all due to covid school closures which drove him to hate school) and also became a welder, self taught watching Youtube videos before going to our local vocational high school!
Yes, 2 years apart. Same mom and dad, stable family. Same church upbringing and both involved in church when they lived at home. Daughter was always an 'intellectual' though. Was reading chapter books in 2nd grade and her room was full of bookshelves. Everything from Japanese Manga to historical biographies. Took classes online for fun. She's in HC administration. Son hated school but managed to get an engineering tech degree and works as a production manager in a mfg plant. Loved Trump from the get go due to his political incorrectness. Doesn't really follow politics much but texts me before elections for recommendations.
It's a conundrum. Out of my 3 children, my son seems to be the most "conservative/ reasonable". My oldest daughter is more reasonable than the youngest, but dabbles in similar "liberal" thoughts. I just try to stay calm and show them what I believe and pray that God will take it from there.
Donna - I have the same scenario, and I blame my daughter's college influence. Post-college, there's clearly no shortage of leftist media/propaganda, so I'm not holding my breath. The left grooms youth to worship government - without exception.
People in their teens and early 20s, I think, can be completely turned away from their roots. College is one of the ways and online influencers is the other.
I have heard of students going off to college and in the first semester undergoing a total worldview change before they come home for Thanksgiving. Reminds me of that study done years ago showing the tendency toward conformity. Room full of other participants (actors) who are "in" on the research being done and one who is "out" and the actual participant who is being studied. In very little time the real research subject is agreeing with things he/she didn't start off believing. That's the way it is on college campuses. Professors and instructors almost totally from the left. Vocal college students almost totally from the left. Other opinions silenced. Total group-think. It should not be a surprise when students get radicalized. Add to that social media. It is pretty overwhelming for most.
Professors are viewed so often as gurus by students. They come to college thinking they are going to encounter awesome ideas and they consume them eagerly. And yes it can happen in one semester when the kids are at their most vulnerable. There are hardly any conservative professors to counteract the indoctrination process.
True, I suppose. I’ve been a cynic most of my adult life, which I think might have insulated me from radicalization…not to say that many things influence me…. Just struggling how one can be convinced of such destructive positions to maintain.
My mind sees a variety of people. Some are easily and quickly influenced. Others use critical thinking and are far more independent (and extremely difficult to radicalize).
I see myself in the second category (always have been a critical thinker and very independent), but Covid *rapidly* took me from blissfully ignoring the world to being "active". So if I can be galvanized into action quickly (even if my viewpoint didn't change), then I assume weaker minds would be far easier to "guide" into doing radical things (although I can't fathom how ANYONE could murder another person).
The killing of a human is a major mind warp. I was 19 in Vietnam, and had personal experiences that….. you can guess the rest. It’s still inconceivable to me how a young guy can premeditate a crime like this. We are talking about opening a door and going through a portal that seals your fate. Almost impossible to not get caught. I break out in a panic when I let my mind wander back..
Yes, no doubt at all that in the blink of an eye, anyone can abruptly make radical changes . But becoming in short order an assassin of a renowned public figure is way beyond my comprehension.
He was from all accounts a bright kid, who cannot have discounted he was betting his life and his family’s on being able to escape. The capture of the Idaho university murderer was just one of many recent examples of miraculous apprehensions that show the “perfect crime” is a super long shot, all the more difficult in close-knit Utah where hiding in plain sight seems extremely difficult to pull off.
His temporarily stashing his gun in a findable spot, expecting to return for it, was not smart. Nothing suggests that homicidal maniac is a description that fits even a radicalized young man.
He was well along in his engineering studies, which in a prosperous state like Utah, virtually guaranteed him a job on graduation, so he should not have been hopeless about earning potential.
Photos from mom’s FB show him to be a not unattractive guy who would seem to fit the “incel” image.
Zero social media from any time in his life defies belief.
Having once been a 22 year old male, I can attest that they can do some really stupid things which did not include killing people, just stupid. In today's polarized climate, stupid could include what Tyler Robinson did.
My question: If Charlie would have survived, what would Charlie want to happen to Tyler?
There are Charlie videos out there on this topic. Charlie quoted the Bible which says to punish murder with death. Charlie would pray for him and help him find Jesus, but would absolutely want the death penalty.
It was reported he was part of a chat on Discord. I’d never heard of it but evidently it’s part of the “dark web”. It’s possible the guy was radicalized in a bad way. We need more information. Many of us have been radicalized to the truth because of a particular event - Covid experiment for example. So it does & can happen in a good or evil way. Check out EKO’s series on 911 for example.
Thanks Jenna and I'm sorry for the drama that I caused. Yes, that was me folks. For the record, I never said the assassination of Kirk was fake. I simply shared a link to another Substacker's recent article that claimed that his assassination was possibly contrived, which based on this recent announcing about an "alleged" shooter, seems to lend to the idea that there is more to this story than what we are being told.
I don't think anyone really buys into this but I think that is purposeful. We'll see.
And thank you again Jenna for creating this space for open conversation and discussion. Have a great weekend everyone!
There are definitely people out there questioning. And we should question everything. In fact, my motto for the past several years has been: trust no one, question everything. When you realize that you’ve been lied to you about pretty much everything, your whole life by the deep state, the powers that not be, or whatever we call them then you definitely want question things and put it out there for other people to take a look at. You didn’t do anything wrong.
Amen! Thanks DJL. The irony of this is that Kirk was a fierce advocate for freedom of speech and said a lot of things that people did not agree with. The last thing he would have ever advocated for is the banning of discussions on certain topics.
DJL: In the spirit of proposing something that would provoke thinking in a witness seeing it on a bumper sticker at a red light, I want to submit in your name, the following for Bumper Sticker of the Year/BSotY:
“Ottumwa, Iowa, is a city in southeastern Iowa, the county seat of Wapello County, and is split by the Des Moines River. Known for its industrial heritage in meatpacking and farm equipment manufacturing, it is also recognized as the "Video Game Capital of the World" and offers attractions like the Airpower Museum and the American Gothic House nearby. The city provides a mix of outdoor recreation, local dining, and cultural experiences, with a diverse population and a growing economy. “
Video game Capitol, huh? Great. Now my kid will be begging to go to Iowa. 😁
DJL, your kid is a start. I'm boosting the idea of a "McCarthy Meet" in Ottumwa, IA sometime in 2026.
Since I came up with the idea, I discovered that, umm, she gets substantially more for a speaking engagement than I imagined. I've still got a couple of ideas left. Like, what if she just smiles and shakes hands? Or what if she just does a drive-by? Or maybe we could raise a good fraction of the speaking fee with a go-fund-me and we could owe her the rest?
I picked Ottumwa because I wanted to find a city kind of "central" that we could put on the map for being the first to host a substack subscribers get-together and have its name forever associated for at least three years with Jenna McCarthy. I didn't even know it's SPLIT by a river; how cool is that? You all could overrule me and have it in central Texas near her Austin stompin' grounds, but I figure "if we're going to travel, let's make some place famous."
("Ottumwa in '26".) (Your kid and me. That makes two. Jenna earlier (she probably forgot) said she was in, but that was before "Ottumwa" was mentioned. She might be allergic in Iowa.)
Hi, Vee. I still have a bone to pick with you regarding comments the other day you made about violence on both sides. Of course conservatives are capable and have committed unspeakable wrongs. But I've been racking my brain and can't come up with conservatives in our history who have engaged in political violence. Generally it's been the Democrat side of the aisle [ KKK, Jim Crow, the Weathermen, Antifa, and who have been the shooters behind almost all of our assassinations from John Wilkes Booth to the attempts on Donald Trump last year]. And I can't help noting that since Charlie Kirk's assassination it's been nothing but "mostly peaceful" prayers and vigils and tears.
Hi Mary Ann Caton, let's chew on this a bit more. If we look back to Lincoln's assassination and beyond, both the Democratic and Repbulican parties stances and values have changed quite a bit. So much so that they have seemed to have flip flop completely.
Top of mind, John Lennon's assassination was remembered by all regardless of political party. The deaths of freedom fighters like Lennon, MLK Jr, Fred Hampton, etc brought people together against the machine of government instead of against one another as we are seeing today.
What is wrong with our country and the world today isn't a horizontal issue. It's a vertical one. It's not left versus right, it's up versus down. The idea that this entire country can be divided into just democrats or republicans is nonsensical because most people would fall in the middle. The masses have been programmed to think they need to pick one side or another, but the truth is, we all need to ban together regardless of political party and push back against the anti-human ruling class.
Regardless of the political party, the ruling class continues to gain more power and more control. It is obvious to me that this false left right dichotomy is serving as a tool to keep us all divided, but it is not obvious for those who are still stuck in this "my team versus your team" mentality. This is us versus the ruling class, not red versus blue. As we speak, the technocratic control grid is being rolled out and accelerated with the help of Palantir. Trump literally just had closed door meetings with tech pros like Gates and Zuckerberg to further that agenda, and here we are still debating which side is better. The more we focus on each other, the less we focus on how the ruling class is furthering their agenda to enslave us all.
I agree with you that the world should be seen as vertical rather than horizontal. I agree that it's the anti-human (Gates and even Musk et al) ruling class that works to divide us into camps. In Virginia after the Civil War, in a state election the working class came together and elected a government that represented them and not the Virginian ruling class. In the very next election, that working class coalition was run out of office by a united ruling class. We seem to fall for that every single time. That said, the Democrats' ruling class has advanced political violence as appropriate which is how they promote division among us down here. And it's occurred to me that the Republican MO is to let us think we are part of them and we, too, can join their club of wealth. I'm waiting for someone to point out that maybe Charlie Kirk was MK-Ultra-ed. [NOT YOU, JENNA] That way lies nihilism. The only answer is to walk with God. Use our discernment and John 14-6.
This is brilliant Vee! Rephrasing the struggle as vertical: up vs down not left vs right is a very very valuable point of view to consider.
"We" squabble while those in power commit evil and accumulate more power (wealth).
This is a little tough for me as I'm pro technology (used as tools for good, but not for abuse). And because I've had a successful career (I'm not completely broke), many times I've been accused of being one of "them" (you know those evil rich white dudes). My guess is that Jenna is far wealthier than I am, but I doubt many accuse her of being part of the problem, part of the entitled class.
In conclusion, yes, I very, very much think most of the problems of the world lay in the struggle between the poor, the working class and the very wealthy. Which is perhaps even more confusing because I'm very, very much a "capitalist" (if you earned it, good for you, nobody has the right to take it away because they "need" it more).
I’m even suspicious of Trump too. Is he ushering in technological control and a new financial system over which we will no longer have control over anything? Some believe so, and we Trumpians are being led down the garden path quietly even gleefully marching to our own demise. Remember the Q movement after the 2020 loss? Jerome Corsi, General Flynn, Juan o’Savin, Jeffrey Prather, and all sorts of others I listened to raptly, expecting the military white hats to swoop in and put everything right. They were so sure!! We got suckered. And I’m afraid Trump is all part of the large playbook along with Biden and most of those in government. It’s all theater but one in which many good people die. 9-11, October 7 and all the damn wars. Just evil theater being played out for this sucker audience.
9/11 “conspiracy” theorists would disagree here. Bush, Cheney were complicit in the attack. Ask yourself why & you may come up with the realization that us vs. them is not left-right, dem-rep. It is the parasites, aka elitists vs. us, the everyday people. They thrive on division, keeping us at each others throats. Don’t buy into it.
Bush and Cheney weren’t true conservatives they are RINOs. And yes, controlled by the elites (or they think they are elites too) who want to divide us. Soros comes to mind.
It would be awesome if Jenna would do some research and present us with a (humorous) overview of Left vs Right violence. Off the top of my head are the assassinations in the 60s, the Kennedys were Democrats, thus doesn't it imply conservatives killed them.
I think we need to look past left vs right, Democrat vs Republican, liberal vs conservative and consider that most likely it's secretive evil forces taking and maintaining their power.
Or maybe we are all wrong and it really is just some random sweet kids that somehow went temporarily insane?
I think if you look at the Democrat party as a whole, their history shows that they think of other humans as property from their original support for slavery to their social programs that led to blacks becoming dependent on government programs to their vaccine mandates. That's what they reach for every time. Even during the pre-WW1 Progressive Era they became proponents of the more radical side of Progressivism: eugenics being one of them. And let me go one step further: in Germany, the Nazi party did not arise out of German conservatism, rather it arose out of liberal politics in Germany helped along by the medical "cleanliness" ideology among German doctors. It was a complicated history which also involved class warfare (just as that is the case now).
Regarding “alleged:” I believe there is a law or judicial concept that a person accused of a crime must be referred to as “alleged” perpetrator due to the presumption of “innocent until proven guilty” in a court of law. Also, keeps the speaker/writer from being sued.
Well, I see I'm in a distinct minority so far in the poll about our young man, Tyler Robinson! It surprised me. I'm feeling the need to say why I think Robinson is the killer. 1) He knew how to shoot because he had been taught to hunt. 2) He confessed (that would be my biggest reason right there). 3)His youth pastor AND, most importantly, his own DAD turned him in. 4). I suspect he had help with the whole gun thing. 5). He was caught on home Ring cameras "limping" on the way to campus because he had the gun in his right pant leg. 6). I trust Kash Patel. 7). I REALLY trust the Utah governor and wish he'd move to Pennsylvania and be our gov. 8). We've become inured to being lied to about the Kennedy and the King assassinations, 911, the wars, who really won the 2015 election, Russia Russia Russia, vaccines, bad flu seasons, Jan.6, and so much more that we understandably suspect practically everything. 9). It's hard to learn to trust again, but as the Utah sheriff said yesterday, "We got him." I think they did.
I have read a lot about MK Ultra. [I don't mean to pull rank but I taught American history for 34 years at the University of Pittsburgh and at one point taught a course on "Lies My Government Has Told Me" which focused primarily on U.S. history since the creation of the CIA.] But I still think the bulk of the evidence supports a kid who was radicalized online. and I'd bet my house that he confessed because his roots in Mormonism and family somehow rose to the surface and convinced him to admit the truth to his father after his father recognized him in those pictures. Love you anyway, Jenna! ❤️
As a former adjunct for a small college, I’m proud of you for creating such a course for college-level students! Very bold! Great job! We need more of this today. ❤️
FWIW this felt right to me too, that he was a young kid who got radicalized. But I haven't fallen deeply into all the additional rabbitholes! (Not sure I want to. The ones I've fallen down are hard enough. It's easier aboveground)
I respect you, and your opinions, because you come across as a thoughtful and intelligent person through your writing. At the same time, the idea of "pulling rank" based on years of teaching?
I might have given that more weight when I was younger, but it strikes me as riduclous now. Maybe just my skeptical nature.
I understand. I meant that sentence honestly, not as actually "pulling rank." My years in the cesspool of higher ed were probably wasted years. I see that now. By the time I left, Woke had arrived.
Wait, what? I literally just typed this in response to Mary Ann, and was about to post, and then saw your response:
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I'm with you on getting stuck on the Dad part of the story. If this kid is taking the fall - and will likely get the death penalty if convicted - how does that happen, how does one become the "patsy"? His dad obviously must believe his son did it, as no parent would willingly send his son to death for no reason. And supposedly Tyler confessed to his dad when confronted. So if Tyler is indeed stepping into the role without being the actual perpetrator - I am legitimately asking those who believe he is the fall guy - can you explain the machinations that would go into how that happens, how a fall guy is chosen, why the fall guy would go along with it?
Please explain. I can't wrap my head around this and I am genuinely curious. Do "they" find a kid willing to play along with this, or do they force it by, say, giving him the choice of playing the part or threatening his entire family? Is it a kid that already wants to die and wants to play a part in something bigger? Something else?
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MK Ultra is new to me. I'm guessing I don't have the brain space for this today...
I 100% understand why a dad would turn in his kid with a confession. I would also. But a false confession is indeed almost impossible for me to fathom when it comes to this high-caliber of a crime! Not saying it's impossible. But it is a lot for me to contemplate.
Let me start by saying that I obviously don’t know if this kid did it or not, but I think you left out a few important details, the most important of which is that he confessed to a younger relative (brother, maybe) and then he confessed to his father, who had recognized him from surveillance images and facilitated his surrender. That’s pretty damning evidence in itself.
You said he had no digital footprint, but apparently he did use Discord—a messaging app I’ve never heard of—to send messages to his roommate about the need to pick up the gun and about the engravings on the casings. This does seem odd and very convenient—why would you go around telling everyone you did it? Who knows why people do stupid things? Maybe he was proud of getting rid of someone he considered to be a fascist and full of “hate”, and maybe he actually believes he did a noble deed?
Surveillance cameras show him arriving on campus in his own vehicle, entering the building, climbing to the roof, going prone before the shot, and fleeing immediately afterward carrying an item. That trail ends near where the rifle was found. I’m not sure it would be possible to deepfake all of this video and keep all the other details consistent with everything else going on, particularly in such a short timeframe.
His weapon wasn’t “military-grade”—reports say a Mauser bolt-action in .30-06, a common hunting rifle—nor has the ammunition used been reported to be any kind of armor-piercing rounds, just standard ammo for a deer hunter.
It has been reported that he grew up in a family that hunted so he was likely experienced with the type of rifle used. As far as I know, no one has suggested that the shot, which was originally reported as about 200 yards, requires sniper training. Many proficient hunters with a rifle and scope could make it.
All that being said, I’m not suggesting that other forces couldn’t be at play here. Someone could have used this kid MKUltra-style to radicalize him to do what he has been accused of doing.
What’s somewhat telling also is that the family is not out there holding press conferences stating emphatically that their son is innocent and could not have committed this heinous crime. While that doesn’t prove anything, I do think it tells you something.
Thank you for laying it out so well and not being afraid to state your thoughts. Charlie would be proud! I can honestly say I don’t know for sure what to believe. And so conflicting opinions and thoughts are great to hear.
I’m going to take this a little further. 1) I do believe Tyler Robinson is the killer. 2) I do believe he was radicalized in a very short time frame. 3) I do believe he was used by outside forces. Pointed like the gun he used. 4) He was ALWAYS supposed to be caught. 5) I believe that this is the same group, organization, what have you - that was behind the attempt on President Trump in Butler PA.
Now, I am hoping and praying that Kash and his people are scouring all his (Tyler) radical connections to get the people/organizations that did this to Tyler Robinson. We know they are out there. We know what they’re doing. They have got to be stopped, or these lost kids are going to continue to be turned into weapons.
Even if he wasn't controlled by outside forces, he sure did what they hoped for. Some of the videos making the rounds of ordinary(I presume) people celebrating Charlie's death are downright evil. Satan is certainly having his way with many Americans.
Yes, the horrific icing on the cake as it were. Seeing the deranged glee was certainly not what I expected of people. I’m finding it really hard to understand.
What I would like to know is, has he had a girlfriend? Not crazy, think about it: young men are having a hard time getting girls these days. Who are the girls swooning over? Luigi Mangione. Their handsome hero-assassin. There is so much hate, and so much admiration for LM, and so many young women online begging for someone to take out Trump and his Cabinet. Those were completely out of reach to Tyler, but here was Charlie, just up the road, an easy target. Could this have been part of his thinking process?
That could very easily and reasonably have been part of it, too. Relationships between young men and women are not what they should be. I don't know about this trend where you live, but here (I'm in a rural and conservative part of Pennsylvania), it's been a huge thing for almost a decade now for girls to go to their high school proms with their BFFs instead of a boy. They still get their hair done, buy a gorgeous gown, put on heels for the first time in their lives, and then spend the evening with their girlfriends. Exactly when and how do they expect to learn how to behave on an actual date? I have read that as Robinson got ever more drawn into the Reddit world that he became a loner, according to one of his relatives.
Thank you for sharing your reasons! I would have picked a third option on the poll, but there wasn't one. Your list is very convincing. I felt the Utah governor spoke from the heart (100%). I did not know Robinson was a skilled marksman/hunter, but I thought of hunting big game as much as I thought of military expertise when I saw the location and precision. Many of the other points you make I did not know about.
I appreciate your willingness to share this perspective, Jenna, but I think we should stop calling a logical analysis of the facts “conspiracy theory”, just because it diverges from the official narrative. People get second opinions from doctors for a reason, right? Not because they’re “conspiracy theorists” who don’t trust “the man”, but because different people are gifted with the ability to see things from a different perspective. We all bring a lifetime of experience to how we process what we see all around us. There is safety in numbers - as in a number of logical, truth-upholding minds, to help sift through the barrage of information we are hit with everyday.
I’m pretty sure we have officially left the “trust the experts” trope in the “dustbin of history”, right? So even when it’s our people, our once beloved MAGA people, spinning the narrative, that doesn’t mean we shut off our analytical minds. Even in our sorrow, and maybe because of it, many of us are more sharply focused than ever. We will not be told subconsciously to ignore what our own eyes saw; we know what we saw. We instinctively knew when we saw that video, that was a kill shot. Charlie Kirk was not “shot”, he was assassinated. We knew. Of course we still prayed because we believe God can do anything. But we also knew, that if Charlie did survive, it would be a miracle, because we saw him die instantly under that tent. There are now thousands of us who have learned to trust not just what we see with our own eyes, but moreso, what we hear with our own spirit. We aren’t ignoring it anymore. That still small voice that whispers the truth to us? We heed it now. We have learned the very harsh truth of what happens when we dismiss it. So now we don’t.
And we aren’t conspiracy theorists; we are seasoned. We aren’t soft; we are experienced. We aren’t cynical; we are battle hardened.
Charlie was taken out because he was leading a movement of primarily young men, and was leading them effectively, and had of late been coming around to the Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, maybe even eventually Dave Smith view of things that, communicated effectively, by someone like him; had the potential to turn an entire generation of young men into lifelong civic activists and responsible Fathers. Men who show up to vote; men who run for School Boards and City Councils, men who run for State Congress and federal Congress, men who will not be indoctrinated by college professors, men who will make their own living and be self sufficient, men who believe in family again, and men who worship God again. The men Charlie was shepherding will change America. And as such, they stuck the shepherd with hopes of scattering his sheep. Like they always do. We will mourn his loss for a while; as a loss as great as his merits, but our sons are also seasoned, battle hardened, and sufficiently discipled to know that it is not the time to shrink or despair, but as Charlie said so many times, as Charlie lived so demonstrably, it is time to speak boldly, and get to work.
Wow...amazingly said. One thing is for sure, Charlie was not gathering sheep, he was gathering deciples. And like a Pentecost, once their leader has ascended into heaven, their spirit will carry on in those deciples to continue the work.
thank you. Your words are going to resonate in my head today. I actually am so cynical, that I introduce myself as a conspiracy theorist just to save time in getting to know me LOL! I have been fb jailed so many times, and unfriended... I finally shut up. Now I want to speak, but fear what is next. But I won't give up hope. #questioneverything
Ours has at times been a lonely road, but as time goes on I am convinced that we are not nearly as alone as the enemy of our souls would have us fear. We are actually many, and platforms like Substack, and writers like Jenna, and yes, Leaders like Charlie, have brought us together so we may speak boldly once again. Our experience has tempered our passion with compassion, and this event, Charlie’s passing, will I think soften our hearts sufficiently that in his memory, we will strive even more to speak the truth, boldly, but always with the goal of winning souls for God’s Kingdom, not just to expose how absurd the enemy’s schemes are. It’s a meaningful shift, and I believe God has his hand on all of us now, whispering courage and hope to our hearts, alongside the sorrow. Soft-hearted, courageous warriors for the truth…only God could bring such beauty from these ashes.
One of the thousands of things I have painfully learned in the past 4 LONG years is don’t believe everything you hear or see. It could be all lies (and it was). I don’t give a rip if I’m the only one that does not believe that the guy they’ve got is Charlie Kirk’s assassin . My guess is we will never know. But do you know who knows ? God saw it ALL & Charlie’s killer or killers will have to face the God who is a God of love but also a just & righteous God.
Not much justice in this world but Gods justice in the end… you can count on that. Thanks Jenna for affirmation this sad sad mourning I still feel this morning.
When we say killers, that should include the liberal media, Democrat politicians, and their influencers. The things I have heard them saying about this murder is repugnant.
I KNEW they were going to do this. When I saw that shot, I knew he was assassinated by a pro and that they were gonna find some person on which to blame a whole narrative on. When I scrolled the comments on SM the majority of people said, “so you found the fall guy” and I knew I wasn’t the only one feeling this. No justice here.
A 30-06 isn't military gradee munitions. It's a commonly used rifle for deer and large game hunting. Utah is known for good deer and elk hunting and there are a whole lot of hunters out there. A professional or a trained sniper would have aimed for center mass. Even if the windage was off, they still would have struck him in the torso. There are also better weapons available for a precise hit, even through body armor, as opposed to a large load meant for taking down an elk.
Sorry you lost a subscriber. People can get a bit caught up and there are always trolls waiting under the bridge. Everyone has an opinion. The key is stop, take a deep breath, and not take it personally. As a wise man once told me, "if it wasn't for a--holes, we would all blow up".
I’m open to wherever this goes, but I reject the notion that a Tyler Robinson could not have made this shot.
I have a couple rifles out in my garage, both of which I have shot in maybe 10 outings. When I get them out to the range, I can hit the small plate at 200 yards time after time after time. And I’m hardly a dyed in the wool gun enthusiast.
And we live in a world where a good kid can be radicalized. Unfortunately.
I saw her announcement in the comments yesterday and it puzzled me. But I will say when people are hurting they will sometimes lash out in unpredictable ways. I worked fast food/restaurants from the time I was 15 until I graduated college. People could become unhinged by the amount of ice that was in their diet coke. In that biz you learn to shrug it off or you quit and go home and curl up in a ball. Had a wise manager tell me early on that you cannot take these outbursts personally as you have no idea what these people have going on in their lives.
But it seems the death of Kirk has opened up some kind of portal. A friend who is on the school board (we don't have a conservative majority so there is not much they can do) has gotten a couple of unhinged ranting calls. From Conservatives! A state rep friend who is usually very conciliatory went nuclear on a fellow rep (D) during a special session floor debate. I am getting random FB messages from people asking how to join my R Womens club as 'it's time to get involved'. I am not an emotional person and have found myself in tears several times in the last few days over someone I have never even MET. And on and on.
And unless that is a lie, this kid confessed. He might have had help. FBI likely erased his social media - supposedly turned himself in at 10PM on the 11th - announcement was not made until ~6 hours later. Plenty of time to scrub it. And his story, if true, scares me. My daughter was raised in a 2 very involved parents, church going, talked politics & current events at the dinner table every night home and she was an excellent student. Not a partier or hell raiser (like I was in HS and gave my parents fits). Graduated HS in 2012 with 24 hrs of college credit. Only B's were in math and chemistry, she was smart, with some quirky interests, like Kpop and David Bowie and classic movies. Announced in 2016 she was a socialist. She has gone fully over to radical left. She and her husband belong to the Socialist Rifle Association. It happens. Don't see them doing something stupid or evil but I am sure his parents thought the same. I pray for them.
Yeah I wasn't buying it yesterday. I want to know who engraves shell casings? Where is the engraver tool? Where do you get engraved shell casings? Is there some kind of military grade prepper Etsy online store that sells custom engraved ammunition? Did anybody mention or say that he had an engraving fetish? That alone is not a one-off skill.
Exactly. I wondered how it was done. Do you just use an Exacto knife? Did he have/buy a special tool? If you don't do this all the time, it might be so messy it can't be read. Are there "practice" bullets in the trash in the family garage?
No, there is an Engraving tool. It is very difficult especially on hard round surfaces. I have not seen pictures, but reports are that they were some very specific markings with arrows and small case and lowercase characters. This would have been very difficult on a shell casing
And we found the Kennedys assassins' in the 1960s too! Sorry, but for at least the past five years it's been painfully obvious that we must question everything!
Is it comfortable to question the narrative? No. We would rather pretend the killer has been caught, end of story, tomorrow the roses will bloom.
Charlie would have wanted us to debate. Question each other's views. Seek truth or at least a little education.
It might be a bit extreme for some, but here's the stack I did on this...
some vids that many have not seen...
https://open.substack.com/pub/divadrops/p/who-is-that-guy-was-the-actual-killer?r=98z5b&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
Pasheen! This is a most excellent summary of The Things That Do Not Add Up! Pinning it for others to see. :)
P.S. - I do not recommend watching this... but if you still are believing any of the Conspiracy theories distracting you here... This information was known and reported upon by this and other sources on 09/11/2025.... Stop lying - that is what you are doing when you do not know what you are talking about (I be Charlie would not appreciate it and I Do Not appreciate it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6zPjo5Vogc
Thank you for posting the link. His follow up Part 2 video expanded on it more. I do suggest readers watch both videos. The creator is interested in truth not click bait, and did express concerns over some of the information we are being told.
I'll save y'all some time, TL;DR Israel did it. Really Pasheen?!
Where does what I shared say anything about Israel? I'm so confused.
Mentioned once in that particular substack post, but look at some of the other recent substack posts from Pasheen. Apparently it was Ben Shapiro and the Mossad.
I read that one post and felt it highlighted a lot of the inconsistencies. Please don't put words into my mouth. :)
Sorry, I wasn't saying those were your words, only that you're referencing a substacker who believes the Jews control the weather etc.
Pasternak, I just read your last post. I deleted it so I’ll comment here. I don’t see the purpose of Kirks death being faked, unless they’re planning on manufacturing a second Easter.
I do not recommend watching this... but if you still are believing any of the Conspiracy theories distracting you here... This information was known and reported upon by this and other sources on 09/11/2025.... Stop lying - that is what you are doing when you do not know what you are talking about (I be Charlie would not appreciate it and I Do Not appreciate it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6zPjo5Vogc
P.S. - I do not recommend watching this... but if you still are believing any of the Conspiracy theories distracting you here... This information was known and reported upon by this and other sources on 09/11/2025.... Stop lying - that is what you are doing when you do not know what you are talking about (I be Charlie would not appreciate it and I Do Not appreciate it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6zPjo5Vogc
Wow. Shaking my head.
I'm so incredibly sad about this topic anyway that anything sounds more plausible than this kid pulling this off. It wouldn't surprise me at all if what you say is absolutely true. Which makes me even more sad. What else are they lying to us about? I can think of a thousand reasons to not trust the people that are meant to protect us, and that is just maddening.
This whole thing has made me feel as hopeless as I did when 9/11 and Sandy Hook happened. What's even worse? I have friends posting the videos of him and the Ukranian refugee being killed. Why? Why are we OK with seeing this? Where has our humanity gone and when is it ever coming back?
My heart hurts. Charlie Kirk was a hero of mine. I wish I had 1/10 of his knowledge and patience. He was amazing and the world lost a man that I would arguably compare to Martin Luther King, Jr any day of the week.
You asked, what else are they lying about. Well, pretty much everything. We’ve been lied to from day one about pretty much everything. And they hate the fact that we question any of it.
And I agree that the videos need to be taken down. When these trans shooters go in and kill a bunch of kids their social media is wiped within the first five minutes of anyone finding out. All records are wiped or cleaned up. But why are these videos still circulating? To make us angry? To insight violence? To insight a Civil War? Likely. Horrible. I never intended to see the video and I did and it’s just beyond horrific. It needs to be taken off the Internet.
Unfortunately, my question about what they're lying to us about was meant to be rhetorical. I agree with you....pretty much everything. Which is so, so sad. And the civil war thing... The only response I have to that is that starting a civil war with people who believe vehemently in the 2nd amendment is a very, very bad idea. I can promise it won't end well for the people that believe the police should be replaced with social workers. There will be no talking it out.....
And by the way, I am the least violent person you'll find on the internet. But I'm so angry right now. So incredibly angry.....
I said that exact same thing in my Bible study group on Thursday: that I was so incredibly angry. One of the women immediately began praying about that and over the course of the day, my anger turned to grief. Anger is what THEY do, and praying for them and forgiving them is what WE do.
Just be sure your anger isn't misdirected. The mainstream news has infected many minds and has created this divide. It isn't the left that should feel the anger (that was the purpose of the assassination and planting of evidence). Be angry at the propaganda and make the effort to have a civil conversation with people who think differently than you do. Hear them out and reach a conclusion based on facts. Do it for Charlie.
Thank you Mike.
Misdirected anger is what they’re hoping for. Division.
I grieved first. Now I'm just angry. I will get to the point where I pray for the, but right now, I'm just angry.
Same. I am not typically a confrontational person and mostly scrubbed unhinged lefties from my social media in 2020 but found myself going after virtue signaling lefties commenting on some friends' posts who kept bringing up the totally out of context remarks of Kirk over and over. They were attacking him based on lies and I just couldn't take it.
I’ve have felt that when RFK is being shredded.
Yes, but we are right to have righteous anger. Jesus did, and we are instructed 3 times in the Bible to “be angry but sin not.”
It's ok to hate/be angry about the sin while praying for the sinner. I have found that to be very helpful when dealing with righteous anger.
Anger is a second emotion and there’s always something beneath it… fear, sadness. Anger is absolutely useful when the pain is too deep to address. Sometimes it has to be peeled back layer by layer in order to find the strength to address the original emotion slowly. It can be very useful if used correctly.
No. Anger is a primary emotion. Emotions are our warning system. After you work through your anger you find your sadness, fear, whatever. Anger is a very useful emotion. But it's a primary one. We are taught to avoid it like the plague which really messes us up.
I know. We are all angry. I sincerely hope this doesn’t escalate toward violence. No one needs that. Our kids do not need to live with that.
If you look across American history, conservatives tend not to become violent. Radicals and progressives reach for violence first: I give you the response to George Floyd's inglorious death.
The deep state wants civil war- never mind the “outdated parties.” If we go into a civil war they will move the military in and get the control they’ve been seeking through instigating hatred and division.
There are patriots in the military. Our hope is that at least some of them will have fighter bombers, tanks, and carriers and recognize orders that spring from tyranny.
This is not true. Statistically, conservatives are responsible for 3/4 of political violence. Leftists tend to be pacifists. But it's not a right/left issue. Please think outside that box. If you want to get to the truth, that is. If you just want to push the usual conservative schtick, slice away.
You're on. Show me your stats and your examples.
Wikipedia agrees with you, but then we all know about the honesty and the bias of Wikipedia.
Totally agree.
And really, who would we all be fighting? I have family and people I love who are not on the same page as me politically. Should I shoot them?! Would I allow someone else to shoot them? NO.
I haven't looked at and preserved my soul as a result.
All the violence and hate in our culture, in the movies, songs, video games, played over and over again destroys us within.
One must guard the heart (do not absorb the content of the culture) because it literally is death. ⚰️☠️
@soujourner…100% YES
Didn’t look, because I knew that I could never “unsee” it. 🙏🏻😭🙏🏻😭
Yes. They’re hoping for a civil war.
You first mention the shooters in other instances social media gets wiped clean then bring up the video of the shooting. Those are two very separate things. That video doesn't exist one one site or one computer. It gets posted and deleted just for someone else to post it. It is a virtual wack-a-mole. Blame the ghouls sharing it.
incite?
Someone passed this on to me today. I don't have a FB account, but I was able to see it with a private window. https://www.facebook.com/reel/1545441209953623?sfnsn=mo&mibextid=6AJuK9
Who is that guy? And it looks like he's pulling back a pistol right after the shot goes off. What's not shown in this video, but in others that include people around him. The guy in white hand signaling, and the guy in white outside the fencing/barrier who is doing something with his hands. He raises them up, and then brings them down and makes a "twig breaking motion" with his fists, and then all hell breaks loose.
I saw that one as well... seems suspiciously like the JFK driver maneuver, doesn't it? Plus there's always the "LOOK! OVER THERE!" when the real truth is hidden in plain sight. I watched a long takedown of the entire scene with 3D imaging and basically they were showing it was IMPOSSIBLE for a shot to have come from the roof at that (straight-on) angle. It had to have come from that left side and from lowest bleachers (otherwise the angle would have been DOWN). THIS is why there's no trust in government. They know this stuff is out there; if it's "conspiracy," then debunk it. SHOW US how the shot came from the roof, at that angle, etc. Until then, I'm not buying what you're welling one bit.
And didn't we all have such high hopes for Kash and Dan on all the issues that have been covered up and hidden in the past ? But now, with the Epstein list debacle and the suspicious reaction to Charlie's murder, what difference have they actually made if at all ?
The grandmother speaks out:
https://www.themirror.com/news/politics/tyler-robinsons-grandma-reveals-theory-1389666?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target
The man with white hair in the green shirt and the woman center… observing this, it appears they knew something.
I would argue Charlie was incomparable. He was a saint.
Interesting. I had never heard of him so I watched a handful of videos last night, where he was conversing with students. I’m totally aligned with his family values, which government has systematically tried to destroy, but I don’t get the impression of sainthood.
I perceive him as a human being who talked through the filters of his life experiences as we all do. I respect his efforts in engaging youth and opening dialogue. In sharing his views , he hopefully encouraged others to share theirs.
Yes, he called us all to be bold in our witness. We can no longer ignore them.
I agree with almost everything you say and feel the same deep sadness about Charlie. But you lost me at MLK jr. Maybe consider a deep dive into his history and you’ll discover some dark communist party connections.
MLK was a hero. Please. Stop. And let me add, my father worked with MLK jr. and traveled to Oslo with him when he received the Nobel Peace Price in 1964.
Please stop what? Having my own thoughts and opinions based on critical discussions I’ve heard around the topic? Grow up! You are entitled to your views and so am I. That’s what America is all about 🇺🇸
It’s just my opinion that communism and socialism are being absolutely demonized right now because they don’t want to give us national healthcare. Because they would have to shut down the multi billion dollar insurance industry that is sucking us dry and funding them. The insurance industry that we don’t need. But if they demonize socialism then no one will dare bring up national healthcare ever again. Or equal education. I had very good education in the 1960s and 70s at public schools in the wealthy suburbs of Chicago. And I was well aware that people who lived in the city were getting shafted. But now it’s all defund education. There are so many different grades of socialism, but even libraries and police forces are socialist because they are serving everyone.
I agree with you.
It’s the same mindset that says , “minimum wage” is acceptable “I payed for my college , NO loan forgiveness “ without ever considering the reality of job shortages, job pay, and the absurd inflation!
Then there’s the, “If you’re poor you’re lazy.” “If your receiving welfare of any sort, “You’re a thief.”
And the “If you work from home, you’re not doing your job!! We want you here 60 hours a week!”
And all those other intentionally demeaning words pounded into public thinking. Good thing the “social security is an ENTITLEMENT “ didn’t take hold, eh?
Yes. Absolutely. If you want to think MLK is less than what I have known him to be, so what.
Haha. You’re rightfully entitled to believe whatever you choose. I suppose my response to you is based on my experience and just as there are those who consider Kirk a saint, I consider MLK a good human who accomplished great things.
Neither Charlie or King were saints. They were humans that did extraordinary things, and their lives were cut short. But I didn't know either personally, so I will choose to remember the good.
Totally agree it doesn’t pass the sniff test. As soon as I saw the video, I automatically assumed the shooter was some sort of ex-military sniper type who’d spent YEARS learning that sort of precision. But Tyler Robinson? Doesn’t make sense to me.
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It was the 30-6 rifle that with a little practice by someone with intent that made this seem professional. That rifle is very accurate at that range especially with a scope. The shooter is now known as Antifa and it appears he did not work alone if you combine the fact that an audience member claimed responsibility which diverted attention enough to permit the shooter's escape. I am sure there is more to come.
Exactly. This was a fluke shot that hit the side of Charlie Kirk's neck. That would have been Trump if he hadn't turned his head at the last moment. That is why trained professionals aim for the center mass. Speakers turn their heads from side to side and may gesture with their hands, but they don't tend to shift their bodies around much. Largest area, most viral organs, and less motion. Swift, clean hit.
That’s what my husband said.
New slow motion video shows bullet hitting center mass & richocheting off his vest to his neck.
Thank you for this detail. At least he was wearing a vest. The vest worked to deflect the bullet, just chance directed it the wrong way. So sad.
Vest under his T-shirt?
Yes, they make thinner titanium vests that conceal better.
I thought bullets imbedded into bullet-proof vests.
First of all, 30-6 is a caliber NOT a rifle. Second, you say “especially with a scope “, you obviously have no experience whatsoever in firearms. To precisely hit a moving target at 200 yards WITHOUT an excellent and well calibrated scope is IMPOSSIBLE. Thirdly, I don’t recall seeing a scope on that rifle. The entire “official “ scenario is ludicrous.
Excellent observation about the weirdo in the crowd.
This is the third time I've heard this about the rifle so it's making sense to me.
But there are so many clues that indicate his lack of training as a sniper: the walk through a neighborhood (one with homes equipped with Ring cameras) on his way to the campus, hiding the gun in the woods, going home to his family, touching the railing of the stars on his way up to the roof while NOT wearing gloves, and so far no evidence of any contact with individuals or groups in Ukraine as was the case with both Crooks and Ruth. One other point that matters: a majority of radicalized young people think that words are violence, free speech is dangerous, would like to abolish the First, and think killing their way out of the problems they see is legitimate. Kids today are more fragile than they've ever been.
Some time back Dr. Toby Rogers wrote an article connecting the tenets of progressivism with autistic traits/vaccine injuries. It's worth looking up.
Once you see/read it.... so much of the insistence on control you mention makes sense through that lens... the free speech is dangerous kind of thinking. Fearful rage against differing opinion. Germophobia. Sterilize everything. They're almost too afraid to think. More fragile than ever. So true.
When I saw photos of Tyler from childhood through college, with his left eye consistently drifted outward, I thought of Dr. Andrew Moulden’s work on micro-stokes and neurological damages caused by vaccines.
Tyler has consistent birthmarks-moles on his face in those photos, which are not seen in the mug shots; I didn’t notice the left eye drift in them either.
That book deserves a reprint. Such an interesting hypothesis.
Amen and there a lot more of him. Kirk was changing hearts and minds but he was one tiny fish in a sea of piranhas.
I saw this morning that a high school classmate said Tyler was radicalized by his obsession with Reddit.
Reddit is about everything. I’m currently in a forum about used cars because I’m trying to buy a car. There’s a subject matter about every single thing, it’s just a place where many people can get together to discuss whatever they want. You know, free speech?
That's true. I should have been more specific that the classmate said certain radical sites on Reddit. It's not like I think Reddit should be banned.
I initially thought so as well, but John Lucas at Bravo Blue has disabused me of the professional shooter theory.
https://johnalucas6.substack.com/p/the-charlie-kirk-assassination-beware
Also on this subject, see Jeff Childers post this morning on who killed Charlie Kirk, And it wasn't MK-Ultra: https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/reckoning-redux-saturday-september
Is it possible that it was a professional hit job, like the ‘60s assasinations, and they’ve just gotten this much better at making the lone gunman alibi credible?
I have a hard time believing that a 22 yr old college student would risk this kind of derailment of his entire life, or that he would ever be deluded that he could get away with such a high profile shooting in broad daylight with so many witnesses.
People do crazy things, especially young people, especially young people who have been poisoned into a frenzy over a cause.
I raised three boys, good boys, but I can assure you that teen and early-twenties boys generally aren't the best at thinking through consequences. Social media, and being incessantly online, which early reports indicate the killer was, do dangerous things to immature minds.
Isn't there actual science proving that teen through early 20s brains are not particularly good at thinking through consequences? And isn't that partly proven out in the gender enabling movement to castrate healthy body parts?
Yes, the prefrontal cortex, the center for reasoning, is not fully developed until around age 25.
What age group is most valuable to the government for fighting wars? Those that think they are invincible. What age group do they REFUSE to take even as volunteers? Those old enough to recognize BS orders.
(Apologies, Mary Ann, I see you made the point later.)
Great minds and all...... LOL
How old was Luige Mangione when he shot the CEO in the back? Why do armies always want young men in their ranks?
Thank you VFW. At this point I am beginning to buy into the holographic world conspiracy theory.
Sounds reasonable
to me.
Thanks for this link!
You're welcome!
Vermont Farm Wife, thank you for sharing that link. It was excellent. I do believe the father turned his son in after his son admitted to having shot Charlie Kirk.
You're welcome!
My first assumption was that it sounded awfully professional, too. But that's based on my own experience as the very inexperienced owner of a single shot 20-gauge that I use only to scare away bears. I've never actually hit one with the rubber bullets yet, because I'm a lousy shot. I can confidently say that I could hit the side of our barn though.
Broad or narrow side? From in side or out side?
Broad side. ;)
If you can hit that--RELIABLY, you're ready to move around to the narrow side. (I will generously concede that you mean you are shooting the broad side from the out side.) Bears, at least broad bears, Be Ware!
The video of the supposed shooter hanging/jumping off the building doesn’t look like he is holding a large long weapon. So how did it end up in bushes wrapped in a towel?
It seems there is always things to question about what they are telling us and showing us.
And how did this young adult, if he should be the actual shooter, think he was going to get away with it when most of his face is exposed and not wearing gloves? Come on…really?
Hard to believe anything anymore. And on that note, that is why I have a hard time putting my faith in RFK, Jr, Trump or anyone else.
I question the DJT attempted assasination also.
And another thing, I listened to Erika Kirk’s words yesterday. While I believe (I think?) Charlie Kirk is dead, if Erika is a devout Christian, why did she not say something about forgiving the shooter? I would have at least said, I may not be able to forgive you right now, but I forgive your actions as you know not what you have done and I’m sorry someone/thing made you believe killing someone was okay. Or something to that effect. Also, her using the words evil doers sounds like nails on a chalkboard to me. I would have chosen different words.
Anyways, some things in my head.
I am a Bible believing faith filled Christian and still find it hard to forgive my daughter's ex boyfriend or the doctors and nurses and administrators at the hospital who didn't treat her as a human, but rather as a widget, and made decisions that killed her. When one is hit with something this traumatic, you never know exactly how you'll act. Jesus knows the truth. Erika may get there so someday, but 48 hours later?
ICI G, you're absolutely right: no one can know WHAT they will do or say in the face of an EXTREME TRIAL; in fact, Christians PRAY to be able merely to STAND, at all, in the face of it. Gabriella, it's a game you don't want be drawn into: following "supposedly devout" Christians around all day and pointing out "If you really WERE devout, you'd have <this or that>." That's the sort of stuff that comes back to haunt you when the shoe's on the other foot. Instead, devout Christians MAKE EXCUSES for others' perceived lapses, ASSUMING they were acting out of a hidden good motive, instead of declaring judgement on them without having all the facts.
Exactly my thoughts.
I hope to know the truth to this question in my lifetime. I don’t think it will happen,as I’m 78 and still we don’t have definitive answers about JFK,MLK,Malcom X, Epstein,and on and on and on!
But we do though. We have the answers; we just have to stop waiting for, and expecting, “the government” to confirm what we all know. Trust your intuition. It’s rarely wrong.
Thank you, Jenna!!!
I can’t believe a 22-year old with two slightly younger brothers from a nuclear family, including a mom on FB, could have zero social media history. From his grandmother to his acquaintances, no one observed any lunacy, but saw him as an ordinary (very bright) kid.
MAKES NO SENSE.
Relieved it’s not just me!
It was only lately through spending so much of his life online, particularly on Reddit sites, that Robinson became radicalized. It's so very likely that a kid, even a kid from a conservative and stable family, could become radicalized by online grooming. Two quick examples: I grew up in a Republican and stable family, yet I was extensively radicalized during the Viet Nam War and eventually became a Democrat for decades until covid when I also became a committed Christian. The other example is my granddaughter, who in high school was completely opposed to the entire transgender ideology for biological reasons. She just graduated from college (from a fairly ordinary and unremarkable state college) with a degree in early childhood education) and I just learned she now thinks that when a child says they are a different gender, we have to believe them. She now has a job teaching second grade and she grew up in a conservative and stable home with two loving parents and adoring grandparents. Her brother chose not to go to college and became a welder. He voted for Trump last year.
My daughter is a radical leftist and she did NOT learn that at home. Flipped after she left home. I blame online radicalization. Son is a Trump supporter. They don't talk to each other.
Sounds like my family, actually. My daughter was a staunch Republican voter until she wasn't. Almost overnight she became a supporter of mask mandates and the covid vaccines which she "forced" on her two kids. She, of course, had at least 3. She was recently diagnosed with scleroderma and refuses to try DMSO because her doctor said not to use it. We can't talk about any of it.
The blind faith kills me. ‘I trust our doctors’ was my brother’s response to my suggestion to spend $750 with Dr Makis to discuss his wife’s sudden and unexpected turbo basal cell cancer and turbo Lewy Body dementia. He wanted proof that alternatives work. I finally just shut up. I wanted to say their beloved boosters caused this, I wanted to say it’s worth a try cuz your doctors are doing nothing, I now want to say I told you so. I bite my tongue when he tells me that the recently discovered boxing has been great for her, as I told him about it a year ago and he poo pooed (sp) the idea back then.
He used to be conservative, she was a high level nurse, (think unions), the kids raised in commie Seattle, were taught that Christians are the stupidest humans on earth (and they listened to their kids).
His life is a living hell right now as he’s been told it’s time for memory care, but he thinks he can take care of her on his own even as she hallucinates and yells at him, and wakes him 3-5 times a night. It’s literally killing him but he won’t listen to anyone.
I’m sorry to go on and on, but I’m bitter and angry at the world right now, and these recent murders and crazy leftists reactions are hitting home. It’s all tied together, covid brought it all to light. Now I question everything.
I’ve always been conservative (moderate actually) while holding a few liberal beliefs since college, but the world changed for me during covid and now I’m full on awake, critically thinking, trying to strengthen my faith.
So sorry. It's the destruction of families that is the most horrid part of all of this.
Definitely. Division! So sad.
Karen - your comment is acknowledged. I’m so very sorry. 😘❤️🙏🙏🙏
Thank you Laura, I appreciate your thoughts and prayers ❤️
What a horror story. 😩
It truly is. And I hate it when he complains to me but won’t take any advice. Luckily it was one of her retired co-workers (a male nurse) who suggested memory care. The nurse and his wife have helped out a lot, taking her to their home for the occasional day.
I live seven plus hours away.
You are in a troubling spot… I’m sorry for that.
Thank you, yes very troubling. But I don’t have it anywhere as bad as they do.
Donna. I’m sorry for the family discord. It hurts when you don’t raise them that way. We have 5 adult children and 2 no longer embrace our faith. Hard to understand. God bless you.
Wow! That's my life too - including the son who became a welder. They had the same upbringing, only 2 years apart in age, yet completely different world views. I pray daily for clarity 🙏
One of our grandsons rejected college (all due to covid school closures which drove him to hate school) and also became a welder, self taught watching Youtube videos before going to our local vocational high school!
Yes, 2 years apart. Same mom and dad, stable family. Same church upbringing and both involved in church when they lived at home. Daughter was always an 'intellectual' though. Was reading chapter books in 2nd grade and her room was full of bookshelves. Everything from Japanese Manga to historical biographies. Took classes online for fun. She's in HC administration. Son hated school but managed to get an engineering tech degree and works as a production manager in a mfg plant. Loved Trump from the get go due to his political incorrectness. Doesn't really follow politics much but texts me before elections for recommendations.
It's a conundrum. Out of my 3 children, my son seems to be the most "conservative/ reasonable". My oldest daughter is more reasonable than the youngest, but dabbles in similar "liberal" thoughts. I just try to stay calm and show them what I believe and pray that God will take it from there.
Donna - I have the same scenario, and I blame my daughter's college influence. Post-college, there's clearly no shortage of leftist media/propaganda, so I'm not holding my breath. The left grooms youth to worship government - without exception.
Wow, very interesting and valuable thoughts! I'm inclined to agree that someone can rapidly become radicalized.
I struggle with that concept.
People in their teens and early 20s, I think, can be completely turned away from their roots. College is one of the ways and online influencers is the other.
I have heard of students going off to college and in the first semester undergoing a total worldview change before they come home for Thanksgiving. Reminds me of that study done years ago showing the tendency toward conformity. Room full of other participants (actors) who are "in" on the research being done and one who is "out" and the actual participant who is being studied. In very little time the real research subject is agreeing with things he/she didn't start off believing. That's the way it is on college campuses. Professors and instructors almost totally from the left. Vocal college students almost totally from the left. Other opinions silenced. Total group-think. It should not be a surprise when students get radicalized. Add to that social media. It is pretty overwhelming for most.
Professors are viewed so often as gurus by students. They come to college thinking they are going to encounter awesome ideas and they consume them eagerly. And yes it can happen in one semester when the kids are at their most vulnerable. There are hardly any conservative professors to counteract the indoctrination process.
True, I suppose. I’ve been a cynic most of my adult life, which I think might have insulated me from radicalization…not to say that many things influence me…. Just struggling how one can be convinced of such destructive positions to maintain.
My mind sees a variety of people. Some are easily and quickly influenced. Others use critical thinking and are far more independent (and extremely difficult to radicalize).
I see myself in the second category (always have been a critical thinker and very independent), but Covid *rapidly* took me from blissfully ignoring the world to being "active". So if I can be galvanized into action quickly (even if my viewpoint didn't change), then I assume weaker minds would be far easier to "guide" into doing radical things (although I can't fathom how ANYONE could murder another person).
The killing of a human is a major mind warp. I was 19 in Vietnam, and had personal experiences that….. you can guess the rest. It’s still inconceivable to me how a young guy can premeditate a crime like this. We are talking about opening a door and going through a portal that seals your fate. Almost impossible to not get caught. I break out in a panic when I let my mind wander back..
Yes, no doubt at all that in the blink of an eye, anyone can abruptly make radical changes . But becoming in short order an assassin of a renowned public figure is way beyond my comprehension.
He was from all accounts a bright kid, who cannot have discounted he was betting his life and his family’s on being able to escape. The capture of the Idaho university murderer was just one of many recent examples of miraculous apprehensions that show the “perfect crime” is a super long shot, all the more difficult in close-knit Utah where hiding in plain sight seems extremely difficult to pull off.
His temporarily stashing his gun in a findable spot, expecting to return for it, was not smart. Nothing suggests that homicidal maniac is a description that fits even a radicalized young man.
He was well along in his engineering studies, which in a prosperous state like Utah, virtually guaranteed him a job on graduation, so he should not have been hopeless about earning potential.
Photos from mom’s FB show him to be a not unattractive guy who would seem to fit the “incel” image.
Zero social media from any time in his life defies belief.
If Reddit and Discord are social media, that's where he went for his online life.
Good points, all. A mystery that defies answers.
Or quickly programmed by MKUltra tactics or similar. People are so easily programmed!
Having once been a 22 year old male, I can attest that they can do some really stupid things which did not include killing people, just stupid. In today's polarized climate, stupid could include what Tyler Robinson did.
My question: If Charlie would have survived, what would Charlie want to happen to Tyler?
I think he would forgive him and ask for no death penalty.
There are Charlie videos out there on this topic. Charlie quoted the Bible which says to punish murder with death. Charlie would pray for him and help him find Jesus, but would absolutely want the death penalty.
Katherine, my thinking too.
It was reported he was part of a chat on Discord. I’d never heard of it but evidently it’s part of the “dark web”. It’s possible the guy was radicalized in a bad way. We need more information. Many of us have been radicalized to the truth because of a particular event - Covid experiment for example. So it does & can happen in a good or evil way. Check out EKO’s series on 911 for example.
Seems like some interesting info. about his roomie. He was a she. Or, was transgendering. So, that’s a dynamic that has to figure into this tragedy.
Thanks Jenna and I'm sorry for the drama that I caused. Yes, that was me folks. For the record, I never said the assassination of Kirk was fake. I simply shared a link to another Substacker's recent article that claimed that his assassination was possibly contrived, which based on this recent announcing about an "alleged" shooter, seems to lend to the idea that there is more to this story than what we are being told.
I don't think anyone really buys into this but I think that is purposeful. We'll see.
And thank you again Jenna for creating this space for open conversation and discussion. Have a great weekend everyone!
There are definitely people out there questioning. And we should question everything. In fact, my motto for the past several years has been: trust no one, question everything. When you realize that you’ve been lied to you about pretty much everything, your whole life by the deep state, the powers that not be, or whatever we call them then you definitely want question things and put it out there for other people to take a look at. You didn’t do anything wrong.
Amen! Thanks DJL. The irony of this is that Kirk was a fierce advocate for freedom of speech and said a lot of things that people did not agree with. The last thing he would have ever advocated for is the banning of discussions on certain topics.
DJL: In the spirit of proposing something that would provoke thinking in a witness seeing it on a bumper sticker at a red light, I want to submit in your name, the following for Bumper Sticker of the Year/BSotY:
"Question Everything.
(Question THIS!)"
("Ottumwa in '26".)
“Ottumwa, Iowa, is a city in southeastern Iowa, the county seat of Wapello County, and is split by the Des Moines River. Known for its industrial heritage in meatpacking and farm equipment manufacturing, it is also recognized as the "Video Game Capital of the World" and offers attractions like the Airpower Museum and the American Gothic House nearby. The city provides a mix of outdoor recreation, local dining, and cultural experiences, with a diverse population and a growing economy. “
Video game Capitol, huh? Great. Now my kid will be begging to go to Iowa. 😁
DJL, your kid is a start. I'm boosting the idea of a "McCarthy Meet" in Ottumwa, IA sometime in 2026.
Since I came up with the idea, I discovered that, umm, she gets substantially more for a speaking engagement than I imagined. I've still got a couple of ideas left. Like, what if she just smiles and shakes hands? Or what if she just does a drive-by? Or maybe we could raise a good fraction of the speaking fee with a go-fund-me and we could owe her the rest?
I picked Ottumwa because I wanted to find a city kind of "central" that we could put on the map for being the first to host a substack subscribers get-together and have its name forever associated for at least three years with Jenna McCarthy. I didn't even know it's SPLIT by a river; how cool is that? You all could overrule me and have it in central Texas near her Austin stompin' grounds, but I figure "if we're going to travel, let's make some place famous."
("Ottumwa in '26".) (Your kid and me. That makes two. Jenna earlier (she probably forgot) said she was in, but that was before "Ottumwa" was mentioned. She might be allergic in Iowa.)
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Hi, Vee. I still have a bone to pick with you regarding comments the other day you made about violence on both sides. Of course conservatives are capable and have committed unspeakable wrongs. But I've been racking my brain and can't come up with conservatives in our history who have engaged in political violence. Generally it's been the Democrat side of the aisle [ KKK, Jim Crow, the Weathermen, Antifa, and who have been the shooters behind almost all of our assassinations from John Wilkes Booth to the attempts on Donald Trump last year]. And I can't help noting that since Charlie Kirk's assassination it's been nothing but "mostly peaceful" prayers and vigils and tears.
Hi Mary Ann Caton, let's chew on this a bit more. If we look back to Lincoln's assassination and beyond, both the Democratic and Repbulican parties stances and values have changed quite a bit. So much so that they have seemed to have flip flop completely.
Top of mind, John Lennon's assassination was remembered by all regardless of political party. The deaths of freedom fighters like Lennon, MLK Jr, Fred Hampton, etc brought people together against the machine of government instead of against one another as we are seeing today.
What is wrong with our country and the world today isn't a horizontal issue. It's a vertical one. It's not left versus right, it's up versus down. The idea that this entire country can be divided into just democrats or republicans is nonsensical because most people would fall in the middle. The masses have been programmed to think they need to pick one side or another, but the truth is, we all need to ban together regardless of political party and push back against the anti-human ruling class.
Regardless of the political party, the ruling class continues to gain more power and more control. It is obvious to me that this false left right dichotomy is serving as a tool to keep us all divided, but it is not obvious for those who are still stuck in this "my team versus your team" mentality. This is us versus the ruling class, not red versus blue. As we speak, the technocratic control grid is being rolled out and accelerated with the help of Palantir. Trump literally just had closed door meetings with tech pros like Gates and Zuckerberg to further that agenda, and here we are still debating which side is better. The more we focus on each other, the less we focus on how the ruling class is furthering their agenda to enslave us all.
Vee, have you seen this brief video of Charlie Kirk? I meant to include the link in my comment just below here, but forgot. https://x.com/gbnt1952/status/1966263233947566496?s=42
I have not. Thanks for sharing!
I agree with you that the world should be seen as vertical rather than horizontal. I agree that it's the anti-human (Gates and even Musk et al) ruling class that works to divide us into camps. In Virginia after the Civil War, in a state election the working class came together and elected a government that represented them and not the Virginian ruling class. In the very next election, that working class coalition was run out of office by a united ruling class. We seem to fall for that every single time. That said, the Democrats' ruling class has advanced political violence as appropriate which is how they promote division among us down here. And it's occurred to me that the Republican MO is to let us think we are part of them and we, too, can join their club of wealth. I'm waiting for someone to point out that maybe Charlie Kirk was MK-Ultra-ed. [NOT YOU, JENNA] That way lies nihilism. The only answer is to walk with God. Use our discernment and John 14-6.
Nice chatting with you, Vee!
This is brilliant Vee! Rephrasing the struggle as vertical: up vs down not left vs right is a very very valuable point of view to consider.
"We" squabble while those in power commit evil and accumulate more power (wealth).
This is a little tough for me as I'm pro technology (used as tools for good, but not for abuse). And because I've had a successful career (I'm not completely broke), many times I've been accused of being one of "them" (you know those evil rich white dudes). My guess is that Jenna is far wealthier than I am, but I doubt many accuse her of being part of the problem, part of the entitled class.
In conclusion, yes, I very, very much think most of the problems of the world lay in the struggle between the poor, the working class and the very wealthy. Which is perhaps even more confusing because I'm very, very much a "capitalist" (if you earned it, good for you, nobody has the right to take it away because they "need" it more).
I’m even suspicious of Trump too. Is he ushering in technological control and a new financial system over which we will no longer have control over anything? Some believe so, and we Trumpians are being led down the garden path quietly even gleefully marching to our own demise. Remember the Q movement after the 2020 loss? Jerome Corsi, General Flynn, Juan o’Savin, Jeffrey Prather, and all sorts of others I listened to raptly, expecting the military white hats to swoop in and put everything right. They were so sure!! We got suckered. And I’m afraid Trump is all part of the large playbook along with Biden and most of those in government. It’s all theater but one in which many good people die. 9-11, October 7 and all the damn wars. Just evil theater being played out for this sucker audience.
9/11 “conspiracy” theorists would disagree here. Bush, Cheney were complicit in the attack. Ask yourself why & you may come up with the realization that us vs. them is not left-right, dem-rep. It is the parasites, aka elitists vs. us, the everyday people. They thrive on division, keeping us at each others throats. Don’t buy into it.
Bush and Cheney weren’t true conservatives they are RINOs. And yes, controlled by the elites (or they think they are elites too) who want to divide us. Soros comes to mind.
It would be awesome if Jenna would do some research and present us with a (humorous) overview of Left vs Right violence. Off the top of my head are the assassinations in the 60s, the Kennedys were Democrats, thus doesn't it imply conservatives killed them.
I think we need to look past left vs right, Democrat vs Republican, liberal vs conservative and consider that most likely it's secretive evil forces taking and maintaining their power.
Or maybe we are all wrong and it really is just some random sweet kids that somehow went temporarily insane?
I think if you look at the Democrat party as a whole, their history shows that they think of other humans as property from their original support for slavery to their social programs that led to blacks becoming dependent on government programs to their vaccine mandates. That's what they reach for every time. Even during the pre-WW1 Progressive Era they became proponents of the more radical side of Progressivism: eugenics being one of them. And let me go one step further: in Germany, the Nazi party did not arise out of German conservatism, rather it arose out of liberal politics in Germany helped along by the medical "cleanliness" ideology among German doctors. It was a complicated history which also involved class warfare (just as that is the case now).
I agree with your idea of the secret, evil forces. I call them “CREEPS.”
CREEPS - Criminal Ripoff Extra Evil Pieces (of) S___
Alex Berenson wrote a great piece yesterday about this.
Regarding “alleged:” I believe there is a law or judicial concept that a person accused of a crime must be referred to as “alleged” perpetrator due to the presumption of “innocent until proven guilty” in a court of law. Also, keeps the speaker/writer from being sued.
Well, I see I'm in a distinct minority so far in the poll about our young man, Tyler Robinson! It surprised me. I'm feeling the need to say why I think Robinson is the killer. 1) He knew how to shoot because he had been taught to hunt. 2) He confessed (that would be my biggest reason right there). 3)His youth pastor AND, most importantly, his own DAD turned him in. 4). I suspect he had help with the whole gun thing. 5). He was caught on home Ring cameras "limping" on the way to campus because he had the gun in his right pant leg. 6). I trust Kash Patel. 7). I REALLY trust the Utah governor and wish he'd move to Pennsylvania and be our gov. 8). We've become inured to being lied to about the Kennedy and the King assassinations, 911, the wars, who really won the 2015 election, Russia Russia Russia, vaccines, bad flu seasons, Jan.6, and so much more that we understandably suspect practically everything. 9). It's hard to learn to trust again, but as the Utah sheriff said yesterday, "We got him." I think they did.
Did you know much about MK Ultra? They could have easily brainwashed this kid into thinking he did it and confessing…
I have read a lot about MK Ultra. [I don't mean to pull rank but I taught American history for 34 years at the University of Pittsburgh and at one point taught a course on "Lies My Government Has Told Me" which focused primarily on U.S. history since the creation of the CIA.] But I still think the bulk of the evidence supports a kid who was radicalized online. and I'd bet my house that he confessed because his roots in Mormonism and family somehow rose to the surface and convinced him to admit the truth to his father after his father recognized him in those pictures. Love you anyway, Jenna! ❤️
As a former adjunct for a small college, I’m proud of you for creating such a course for college-level students! Very bold! Great job! We need more of this today. ❤️
Remember where the “evidence”is coming from. If the government has lied about so many things, who do they use to announce their lies? The media.
FWIW this felt right to me too, that he was a young kid who got radicalized. But I haven't fallen deeply into all the additional rabbitholes! (Not sure I want to. The ones I've fallen down are hard enough. It's easier aboveground)
I respect you, and your opinions, because you come across as a thoughtful and intelligent person through your writing. At the same time, the idea of "pulling rank" based on years of teaching?
I might have given that more weight when I was younger, but it strikes me as riduclous now. Maybe just my skeptical nature.
I understand. I meant that sentence honestly, not as actually "pulling rank." My years in the cesspool of higher ed were probably wasted years. I see that now. By the time I left, Woke had arrived.
Sometimes "a cigar is just a cigar" and we should also consider Occam's Razor, something that's hard to do given the sea of official lies we swim in.
I have been thinking the same about MK Ultra.
I shared Elizabeth Nickson’s column Jenna. Did you see it? Spot on.
Just saw it but have not had a chance to read it yet. Thanks! I will!🤗
Wait, what? I literally just typed this in response to Mary Ann, and was about to post, and then saw your response:
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I'm with you on getting stuck on the Dad part of the story. If this kid is taking the fall - and will likely get the death penalty if convicted - how does that happen, how does one become the "patsy"? His dad obviously must believe his son did it, as no parent would willingly send his son to death for no reason. And supposedly Tyler confessed to his dad when confronted. So if Tyler is indeed stepping into the role without being the actual perpetrator - I am legitimately asking those who believe he is the fall guy - can you explain the machinations that would go into how that happens, how a fall guy is chosen, why the fall guy would go along with it?
Please explain. I can't wrap my head around this and I am genuinely curious. Do "they" find a kid willing to play along with this, or do they force it by, say, giving him the choice of playing the part or threatening his entire family? Is it a kid that already wants to die and wants to play a part in something bigger? Something else?
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MK Ultra is new to me. I'm guessing I don't have the brain space for this today...
False confessions happen all the time, as hard as that is for sane people to fathom. So if he DID confess [to something he did not do], it's conceivable that a religious man would believe turning him in is the right thing to do. https://www.muscalaw.com/blog/why-innocent-people-falsely-confess-committing-crimes
I 100% understand why a dad would turn in his kid with a confession. I would also. But a false confession is indeed almost impossible for me to fathom when it comes to this high-caliber of a crime! Not saying it's impossible. But it is a lot for me to contemplate.
Let me start by saying that I obviously don’t know if this kid did it or not, but I think you left out a few important details, the most important of which is that he confessed to a younger relative (brother, maybe) and then he confessed to his father, who had recognized him from surveillance images and facilitated his surrender. That’s pretty damning evidence in itself.
You said he had no digital footprint, but apparently he did use Discord—a messaging app I’ve never heard of—to send messages to his roommate about the need to pick up the gun and about the engravings on the casings. This does seem odd and very convenient—why would you go around telling everyone you did it? Who knows why people do stupid things? Maybe he was proud of getting rid of someone he considered to be a fascist and full of “hate”, and maybe he actually believes he did a noble deed?
Surveillance cameras show him arriving on campus in his own vehicle, entering the building, climbing to the roof, going prone before the shot, and fleeing immediately afterward carrying an item. That trail ends near where the rifle was found. I’m not sure it would be possible to deepfake all of this video and keep all the other details consistent with everything else going on, particularly in such a short timeframe.
His weapon wasn’t “military-grade”—reports say a Mauser bolt-action in .30-06, a common hunting rifle—nor has the ammunition used been reported to be any kind of armor-piercing rounds, just standard ammo for a deer hunter.
It has been reported that he grew up in a family that hunted so he was likely experienced with the type of rifle used. As far as I know, no one has suggested that the shot, which was originally reported as about 200 yards, requires sniper training. Many proficient hunters with a rifle and scope could make it.
All that being said, I’m not suggesting that other forces couldn’t be at play here. Someone could have used this kid MKUltra-style to radicalize him to do what he has been accused of doing.
What’s somewhat telling also is that the family is not out there holding press conferences stating emphatically that their son is innocent and could not have committed this heinous crime. While that doesn’t prove anything, I do think it tells you something.
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Not That Karen, wonderful comment. Thank you. We are on the same page.
Yes, I am inclined to believe he was recruited and coached. Just like Crooks. Although I am NOT sure Crooks actually was the shooter.
Crooks wasn’t the shooter , he was the classic patsy.
Thank you for laying it out so well and not being afraid to state your thoughts. Charlie would be proud! I can honestly say I don’t know for sure what to believe. And so conflicting opinions and thoughts are great to hear.
I’m going to take this a little further. 1) I do believe Tyler Robinson is the killer. 2) I do believe he was radicalized in a very short time frame. 3) I do believe he was used by outside forces. Pointed like the gun he used. 4) He was ALWAYS supposed to be caught. 5) I believe that this is the same group, organization, what have you - that was behind the attempt on President Trump in Butler PA.
Now, I am hoping and praying that Kash and his people are scouring all his (Tyler) radical connections to get the people/organizations that did this to Tyler Robinson. We know they are out there. We know what they’re doing. They have got to be stopped, or these lost kids are going to continue to be turned into weapons.
Even if he wasn't controlled by outside forces, he sure did what they hoped for. Some of the videos making the rounds of ordinary(I presume) people celebrating Charlie's death are downright evil. Satan is certainly having his way with many Americans.
Yes, the horrific icing on the cake as it were. Seeing the deranged glee was certainly not what I expected of people. I’m finding it really hard to understand.
They bought the mainstream media and Biden-type labeling of Trump (and therefore Kirk) as "Fascist" or "garbage."
What I would like to know is, has he had a girlfriend? Not crazy, think about it: young men are having a hard time getting girls these days. Who are the girls swooning over? Luigi Mangione. Their handsome hero-assassin. There is so much hate, and so much admiration for LM, and so many young women online begging for someone to take out Trump and his Cabinet. Those were completely out of reach to Tyler, but here was Charlie, just up the road, an easy target. Could this have been part of his thinking process?
That could very easily and reasonably have been part of it, too. Relationships between young men and women are not what they should be. I don't know about this trend where you live, but here (I'm in a rural and conservative part of Pennsylvania), it's been a huge thing for almost a decade now for girls to go to their high school proms with their BFFs instead of a boy. They still get their hair done, buy a gorgeous gown, put on heels for the first time in their lives, and then spend the evening with their girlfriends. Exactly when and how do they expect to learn how to behave on an actual date? I have read that as Robinson got ever more drawn into the Reddit world that he became a loner, according to one of his relatives.
Interesting thought! Women, or the desire for them, certainly has motivated a huge amount of stupidity!
Certainly plausible... 🤔
Double Mc, the “girlfriend” is a male homosexual with a penis pretending to be a woman.
That seems to be the situation. Guess that rules out my theory.
Thank you for sharing your reasons! I would have picked a third option on the poll, but there wasn't one. Your list is very convincing. I felt the Utah governor spoke from the heart (100%). I did not know Robinson was a skilled marksman/hunter, but I thought of hunting big game as much as I thought of military expertise when I saw the location and precision. Many of the other points you make I did not know about.
Like you, I see the confession as pretty definitive. How else to explain that? Others me ay have groomed him for this.
Look into MK Ultra… It is beyond evil…
I appreciate your willingness to share this perspective, Jenna, but I think we should stop calling a logical analysis of the facts “conspiracy theory”, just because it diverges from the official narrative. People get second opinions from doctors for a reason, right? Not because they’re “conspiracy theorists” who don’t trust “the man”, but because different people are gifted with the ability to see things from a different perspective. We all bring a lifetime of experience to how we process what we see all around us. There is safety in numbers - as in a number of logical, truth-upholding minds, to help sift through the barrage of information we are hit with everyday.
I’m pretty sure we have officially left the “trust the experts” trope in the “dustbin of history”, right? So even when it’s our people, our once beloved MAGA people, spinning the narrative, that doesn’t mean we shut off our analytical minds. Even in our sorrow, and maybe because of it, many of us are more sharply focused than ever. We will not be told subconsciously to ignore what our own eyes saw; we know what we saw. We instinctively knew when we saw that video, that was a kill shot. Charlie Kirk was not “shot”, he was assassinated. We knew. Of course we still prayed because we believe God can do anything. But we also knew, that if Charlie did survive, it would be a miracle, because we saw him die instantly under that tent. There are now thousands of us who have learned to trust not just what we see with our own eyes, but moreso, what we hear with our own spirit. We aren’t ignoring it anymore. That still small voice that whispers the truth to us? We heed it now. We have learned the very harsh truth of what happens when we dismiss it. So now we don’t.
And we aren’t conspiracy theorists; we are seasoned. We aren’t soft; we are experienced. We aren’t cynical; we are battle hardened.
Charlie was taken out because he was leading a movement of primarily young men, and was leading them effectively, and had of late been coming around to the Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, maybe even eventually Dave Smith view of things that, communicated effectively, by someone like him; had the potential to turn an entire generation of young men into lifelong civic activists and responsible Fathers. Men who show up to vote; men who run for School Boards and City Councils, men who run for State Congress and federal Congress, men who will not be indoctrinated by college professors, men who will make their own living and be self sufficient, men who believe in family again, and men who worship God again. The men Charlie was shepherding will change America. And as such, they stuck the shepherd with hopes of scattering his sheep. Like they always do. We will mourn his loss for a while; as a loss as great as his merits, but our sons are also seasoned, battle hardened, and sufficiently discipled to know that it is not the time to shrink or despair, but as Charlie said so many times, as Charlie lived so demonstrably, it is time to speak boldly, and get to work.
And that is why his death hurts. He WAS a light in the darkness. We all need to take up that light so that he did not die in vain.
Amen to that.❤️
Love your response! ❤️
Wow...amazingly said. One thing is for sure, Charlie was not gathering sheep, he was gathering deciples. And like a Pentecost, once their leader has ascended into heaven, their spirit will carry on in those deciples to continue the work.
You are so right; Charlie was discipling so many young men, especially, but as a Mother to those young men, he has discipled me too, I see.
thank you. Your words are going to resonate in my head today. I actually am so cynical, that I introduce myself as a conspiracy theorist just to save time in getting to know me LOL! I have been fb jailed so many times, and unfriended... I finally shut up. Now I want to speak, but fear what is next. But I won't give up hope. #questioneverything
THANK YOU, Ms. Peggy.❤️
Ours has at times been a lonely road, but as time goes on I am convinced that we are not nearly as alone as the enemy of our souls would have us fear. We are actually many, and platforms like Substack, and writers like Jenna, and yes, Leaders like Charlie, have brought us together so we may speak boldly once again. Our experience has tempered our passion with compassion, and this event, Charlie’s passing, will I think soften our hearts sufficiently that in his memory, we will strive even more to speak the truth, boldly, but always with the goal of winning souls for God’s Kingdom, not just to expose how absurd the enemy’s schemes are. It’s a meaningful shift, and I believe God has his hand on all of us now, whispering courage and hope to our hearts, alongside the sorrow. Soft-hearted, courageous warriors for the truth…only God could bring such beauty from these ashes.
One of the thousands of things I have painfully learned in the past 4 LONG years is don’t believe everything you hear or see. It could be all lies (and it was). I don’t give a rip if I’m the only one that does not believe that the guy they’ve got is Charlie Kirk’s assassin . My guess is we will never know. But do you know who knows ? God saw it ALL & Charlie’s killer or killers will have to face the God who is a God of love but also a just & righteous God.
Not much justice in this world but Gods justice in the end… you can count on that. Thanks Jenna for affirmation this sad sad mourning I still feel this morning.
Beautifully said sissy.
When we say killers, that should include the liberal media, Democrat politicians, and their influencers. The things I have heard them saying about this murder is repugnant.
I KNEW they were going to do this. When I saw that shot, I knew he was assassinated by a pro and that they were gonna find some person on which to blame a whole narrative on. When I scrolled the comments on SM the majority of people said, “so you found the fall guy” and I knew I wasn’t the only one feeling this. No justice here.
A 30-06 isn't military gradee munitions. It's a commonly used rifle for deer and large game hunting. Utah is known for good deer and elk hunting and there are a whole lot of hunters out there. A professional or a trained sniper would have aimed for center mass. Even if the windage was off, they still would have struck him in the torso. There are also better weapons available for a precise hit, even through body armor, as opposed to a large load meant for taking down an elk.
Sorry you lost a subscriber. People can get a bit caught up and there are always trolls waiting under the bridge. Everyone has an opinion. The key is stop, take a deep breath, and not take it personally. As a wise man once told me, "if it wasn't for a--holes, we would all blow up".
I’m open to wherever this goes, but I reject the notion that a Tyler Robinson could not have made this shot.
I have a couple rifles out in my garage, both of which I have shot in maybe 10 outings. When I get them out to the range, I can hit the small plate at 200 yards time after time after time. And I’m hardly a dyed in the wool gun enthusiast.
And we live in a world where a good kid can be radicalized. Unfortunately.
We’ll see.
I saw her announcement in the comments yesterday and it puzzled me. But I will say when people are hurting they will sometimes lash out in unpredictable ways. I worked fast food/restaurants from the time I was 15 until I graduated college. People could become unhinged by the amount of ice that was in their diet coke. In that biz you learn to shrug it off or you quit and go home and curl up in a ball. Had a wise manager tell me early on that you cannot take these outbursts personally as you have no idea what these people have going on in their lives.
But it seems the death of Kirk has opened up some kind of portal. A friend who is on the school board (we don't have a conservative majority so there is not much they can do) has gotten a couple of unhinged ranting calls. From Conservatives! A state rep friend who is usually very conciliatory went nuclear on a fellow rep (D) during a special session floor debate. I am getting random FB messages from people asking how to join my R Womens club as 'it's time to get involved'. I am not an emotional person and have found myself in tears several times in the last few days over someone I have never even MET. And on and on.
And unless that is a lie, this kid confessed. He might have had help. FBI likely erased his social media - supposedly turned himself in at 10PM on the 11th - announcement was not made until ~6 hours later. Plenty of time to scrub it. And his story, if true, scares me. My daughter was raised in a 2 very involved parents, church going, talked politics & current events at the dinner table every night home and she was an excellent student. Not a partier or hell raiser (like I was in HS and gave my parents fits). Graduated HS in 2012 with 24 hrs of college credit. Only B's were in math and chemistry, she was smart, with some quirky interests, like Kpop and David Bowie and classic movies. Announced in 2016 she was a socialist. She has gone fully over to radical left. She and her husband belong to the Socialist Rifle Association. It happens. Don't see them doing something stupid or evil but I am sure his parents thought the same. I pray for them.
I completely agree, it makes no sense and I'm not buying it.
Yeah I wasn't buying it yesterday. I want to know who engraves shell casings? Where is the engraver tool? Where do you get engraved shell casings? Is there some kind of military grade prepper Etsy online store that sells custom engraved ammunition? Did anybody mention or say that he had an engraving fetish? That alone is not a one-off skill.
Thank you. I had the same questions.
Exactly. I wondered how it was done. Do you just use an Exacto knife? Did he have/buy a special tool? If you don't do this all the time, it might be so messy it can't be read. Are there "practice" bullets in the trash in the family garage?
No, there is an Engraving tool. It is very difficult especially on hard round surfaces. I have not seen pictures, but reports are that they were some very specific markings with arrows and small case and lowercase characters. This would have been very difficult on a shell casing
Apparently, engraving shells is a thing now, since Luige Mangione.
And we found the Kennedys assassins' in the 1960s too! Sorry, but for at least the past five years it's been painfully obvious that we must question everything!
Is it comfortable to question the narrative? No. We would rather pretend the killer has been caught, end of story, tomorrow the roses will bloom.
Charlie would have wanted us to debate. Question each other's views. Seek truth or at least a little education.